Topam:

cc:lalasticlala
http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/02/yoruba-obas-i-stand-by-my-ranking-alake/

Drabeey:
Oh. So who is telling the truth now?
Anyway, i already believe that the illitrates of th 21st century will not be those who can't read and write. It will be those who cant differentiate lies from all we have been told. Abeg... Evidence to prove your clain sir. Bikko

mrbillz:
Deji of Akure nko ...abi Ondo state no be Yoruba land again and Oba of Lagos?

Saladin25:

You don't know history. The oba Oyo has high reputation. Oyo empire at its peak extend towards Benin Republic and Togo. Oyo empire had the best soldiers. Ile Ife never fought any war. They are weak. Ile-Ife was attacked by Afonja with ease. Ooni is just respected because that is the source of all Yoruba. To show that Aalafin is a powerful king, he is the only king that can pronounce someone Aare Onakankafo.

clefstone:
No yoruba monarchy can match the history of the Benin monarchy. The facts are there

9jacrip:



I suppose when you become richer or break newer grounds than your father, your family will then re-arrange the positions by putting you before your father because he did nothing other than give birth and you are the important one because you broke new grounds, yes?

When Oranmiyan was sufficiently strong, he set off for an expedition against "Mecca" to which he summoned his brothers, to avenge the death of their great-grand- father, and the expulsion of his party from that city. He left Adimu one of his father's trusty servants in charge of the royal treasures and the charms, with a strict injunction to observe the customary worship of the national gods Idi and Orisa Osi. This is an office of the greatest importance pertaining to the King himself • but how slaves or high servants are often entrusted with the duties of the master himself is well-known in this country as we shall see in the course of this history.

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To return, however, to Ile Ife was too humiliating to be thought of, and hence he consulted the King of Ibariba near whose territory he was then encamping as to where he should make his residence. Tradition has it, that the King of Ibariba made a charm and fixed it on a boa constrictor and advised Orafiyan to follow the track of the boa and wherever it remained for 7 days and then disappeared, there he was to build a town. Oranmiyan and his army followed his directions and went after the boa up to the foot of a hill called Ajaka where the reptile remained 7 days, and then disappeared. According to instructions Oranmiyan halted there, and built a town called Oyo Ajaka. This was the ancient city of Oyo marked in ancient maps as Eyeo or Katunga (the latter being the Hausa term for Oyo) capital of Yarriba (see Webster's pronouncing Gazetteer). This was the Eyeo visited by the EngHsh explorers Clapperton and the Landers.

Orafiyan remained and prospered in the new home, his decendants spread East, West, and South-west ; they had a free communication with Ile Ife, and the King often sent to Adimu for whatever was required by him out of the royal treasures for the new city. In process of time Adimu made himself great because he was not only the worshipper of the national deities, but also the custodian and dispenser of the King's treasures, and he was commonly designated "Adimu Ola" i.e. Adimu of the treasures, or Adimu 1^ i.e. Adimu is become wealthy.

But this Adimu who became of so much consequence from his performing royal functions was originally the son of a woman condemned to death, but being found at the time of execution to be in the way of becoming a mother she was temporarily reprieved, until the child was born. This child at its birth was dedicated to the perpetual service of the gods, especially the god Obatala, to which his mother was to have been sacrificed. He was said to be honest, faithful and devoted to the King as to his own father, and therefore he was loved and trusted.

When Adimu was announced to the Kings and Princes all around as the person appointed by the King to take charge of the treasures, and to worship the national deities during his absence, it was generally asked "And who is this Adimu? The answer comes "Omo Oluwo ni" the son of a sacrificial victim: this is contracted to Owoni (Oluwo being the term for a sacrificial victim). So in subsequent years when the seat of government was removed permanently to Oyo but not the National Deities, Adimu became supreme at He Ife and his successors to this day
have been termed the Olorisas i.e. high priests or fetish worshippers to the King, and people of the whole Yoruba nation. The name Adimu has since been adopted as the agnomen, and the term Owoni (Ooni) , as the title of the " Kings " or more properly the high priests of Ife to this day, the duties of the office being not local or tribal, but national.

clefstone:
No yoruba monarchy can match the history of the Benin monarchy. The facts are there

9jacrip:
What the Bini hinge their argument on is simply the rendition of names.

We need to remind them that names such as Oduduwa and Oranmiyan were nicknames and not actual names.

Oduduwa is a fusion of Odu to da Iwa. The vessel that brought creation/existence. The 'oduduwa' ife king, got called the name because he was the vessel through which Ife confederacy was ended.

Oduduwa is in no way Izoduwa or whatever con you folks come up with. The actual Oduduwa was in Ife's creation history and the name was extended to the human king who ushered in a new era of political unification in Ife.

I'm sure the Bini believe Oranmiyan which they changed to 'Omonayan' was his actual name rather than Odede which as the actual name.

Please and please, Bini folks need to do a proper research of Yoruba words before twisting it to fit into their poor revisionism.

I read somewhere that Ekhalederhen stopped over at Owo? Owo didn't even come into existence until after Oduduwa's period as king in Ife.

9jacrip:
What the Bini hinge their argument on is simply the rendition of names.

We need to remind them that names such as Oduduwa and Oranmiyan were nicknames and not actual names.

Oduduwa is a fusion of Odu to da Iwa. The vessel that brought creation/existence. The 'oduduwa' ife king, got called the name because he was the vessel through which Ife confederacy was ended.

Oduduwa is in no way Izoduwa or whatever con you folks come up with. The actual Oduduwa was in Ife's creation history and the name was extended to the human king who ushered in a new era of political unification in Ife.

I'm sure the Bini believe Oranmiyan which they changed to 'Omonayan' was his actual name rather than Odede which as the actual name.

Please and please, Bini folks need to do a proper research of Yoruba words before twisting it to fit into their poor revisionism.

I read somewhere that Ekhalederhen stopped over at Owo? Owo didn't even come into existence until after Oduduwa's period as king in Ife.

forgiveness:


Agreed. But who gave that name UBINI (ile ibinu) and what is the meaning in Benin language?

jerseyboy:


Now let us do some serious thinking. So Oduduwa fell out from the sky? And you believe that over the Bini version of a prince of the Ogiso (Gods of the sky) dynasty escaped persecution and wandered into Ife a small settlement and was proclaimed King because of his prowess. Which story do you think is more plausible?

jerseyboy:


Now let us do some serious thinking. So Oduduwa fell out from the sky? And you believe that over the Bini version of a prince of the Ogiso (Gods of the sky) dynasty escaped persecution and wandered into Ife a small settlement and was proclaimed King because of his prowess. Which story do you think is more plausible?

Nwaoguta:
Oba of benin is like a father to ooni of ife,Quote me anywhere.

247Dior:
Is oba of Lagos fake? Why was he not recognized?

JahJaa:
Wow Learning new things here, am an Igbo guy though <Igbo enwe eze> i doubt if such debate can come to eastern side with no history of kings or empire which i really love <have a nice day guys> and pls no insults just drop your points peacefully n go #1love

Nwaoguta:
Oba of benin is like a father to ooni of ife,Quote me anywhere.

laurel03:
Alaafin of Oyo is #Num 1 quote me anywhere... Awujale of ijebu no even dey yoruba history ... Ijebu migrated from Sudan (Obanta)

Charlesdock:
you are right Ijebus aren't yoruba from start they became yoruba due to intermarriage. #ijebupikin

9jacrip:
What the Bini hinge their argument on is simply the rendition of names.

We need to remind them that names such as Oduduwa and Oranmiyan were nicknames and not actual names.

Oduduwa is a fusion of Odu to da Iwa. The vessel that brought creation/existence. The 'oduduwa' ife king, got called the name because he was the vessel through which Ife confederacy was ended.

Oduduwa is in no way Izoduwa or whatever con you folks come up with. The actual Oduduwa was in Ife's creation history and the name was extended to the human king who ushered in a new era of political unification in Ife.

I'm sure the Bini believe Oranmiyan which they changed to 'Omonayan' was his actual name rather than Odede which as the actual name.

Please and please, Bini folks need to do a proper research of Yoruba words before twisting it to fit into their poor revisionism.

I read somewhere that Ekhalederhen stopped over at Owo? Owo didn't even come into existence until after Oduduwa's period as king in Ife.

YoruBadGoon:
Looool.

Now I see why Egba folks had to keep fighting so many unnecessary wars throughout their history. These folks are very troublesome and they fought almost everyone lol. Egba - great warriors and great in battles lol.

However, this isn't the time for disunity and I bet the Ooni is regretting the visit now. Alake can NEVER be higher than Awujale on any ranking. And you can't rank Ooni ahead of Alaafin - never. This man needs to back off and stop letting his insecurities cos the Ooni recognised Awujale as higher than him, cause more disunity. It was also an Egba King that caused problem during the old western region.

As for Bini, Yorubas own ya Oba dynasty. Cry from now till eternity and re-write history, but you can't the Oba name. That's a Yoruba name. You worship Yoruba Orishas. And Ife and Owo, Yoruba civilisations, will always be the origin of the knowledge of ya artworks. A lot of ya clothes came from the Ijebus. Keep faking the funk - the Oba of Benin knows the truth.

YoruBadGoon:


Lol.

In the real sense of it, there is no Oba of Lagos, just Eleko of Eko. Oba of Lagos is more political than historical and his tiny kingdom is the tiny Eko.

When the big Yoruba kings are talking - Eleko dares not open his mouth. Else they will take his crown and let the Idejo Chiefs take over Eko. Heck, the Idejo Chiefs are more powerful than Eleko of Eko or if you want to call it Oba of Lagos.

clefstone:
No yoruba monarchy can match the history of the Benin monarchy. The facts are there

TeOwl:
What are you waiting for? You better go and jump inside Lagos Lagoon...