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chiefobdk:
you 're so funny.

your link is even funnier..


God help Ur soul.

OPCNAIRALAND:
I dont have a bias, I have evidential truth.

OmoOsanyin:
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Glad to add a touch of humor, information and awareness to your ignorant 'SOUL' which apparently needs the help from your 'God' moreso.

Truth is constant and supposedly sets you free. Your POPE said no heaven or hell, no adam or eve...he is quoted, no denying that fact clown.:p

Enahi:
You probably think the Binis has a confused useless histroy like yours right?

We don't need to re-write history to please people who don't know where they came from,remember you are offsprings of the masquerade that fell from the sky and so we can't be part of you lots. Omo Oduduwa

honeric01:
Because it doesn't conform to yours or because it exposes the folly in the comment I quoted?

Ravenna:
If this is how you reason in reality, then i'm afraid youre a piece of s.hit.

walezy14:
It is only Binis that is manoeuvre the history of Yoruba due to their selfish interest. either u like it or not, u people emanated from yoruba. Take it .

honeric01:
As expected, when lacking in superior argument, they resort to curling insults at people.

Continue boy.

Ravenna:
What's there to argue? If you could claim bini tribe is superior to the great Yoruba nation!
You've got attributed villainy that simply result from ignorance.
Can't waste my time and energy on you.

thekingisback:
OYO EMPIRE...A YORUBA KINGDOM CREATED ON PAGES OF YORUBA HISTORIANS TEXTBOOKS AMIDST, GLARING CONTRADICTIONS AND PALPABLE FALSEHOOD:
(1). Their story of kingship began with an Edo prince called Izoduwa as recorded by unimpeachable historical records and corroborated by Benin recorded History.

(2). Ayayi Crowder,a recaptured Yoruba Slave who later became a bishop said, little were know about yoruba existence, clearly meaning they were not originally part of the Nigeria of today and neither were they settlers within its geographical boundaries but were in small settlements close to Dahomey. Most Yorubas today are either Muslims or Christians and those with African traditions copied or got them from Benin civilization. It doubtful if they are not immigrants from dahomy mixed with Benins or other fulani-hausa from Niger . Bishop Samuel Adjayi Crowther (c. 1809 – 31 December 1891) Was the first African Anglican bishop in Nigeria. Born in Osogun (in today's Iseyin Local Government, Oyo State, Nigeria). His grandson was Herbert Macaulay

(3). Yoruba have dublicity of kingships with the process highly polarized than being traditional.A system they tried to copy from Benin but have not been able to get right like the Benin Kingdom. Edo Obaship is one of the most revered institutions in the world because of the way it has sustained its awesome prestige with strict and meticulous attention to ancient traditions of valour, discipline and integrity. Edo chieftaincy titles cannot be bought or conferred on non-indigenes or frivolously. Every Edo chief performs a peculiarly sacred duty and responsibility to the people of Edo. It does not make sense, therefore, to think that a people who would not and have never conferred their chieftaincy titles on non-indigenes, would voluntarily invite, accept, or surrender to non-indigenes as their kings. Note that due to celestial and customary taboos,the Edo monarch cannot eat out and cannot be diverted from full time palace duties to hustle things that have no beneficial value to his domain.

(4). Most traditional religions being practiced by the Yorubas today are of Benin Origins.Olokun, Ogun, Iha oguega(ifa), oronmila, Esago(shango), Ayelala etc.Benin traditions,mystic and spirituality are stillfully documented and yorubanized by Yorubas in positions of affluence. Edo people today are predominantly Christians with some denying their traditional religious origins. But,it has not been possible to exterminate our traditional practice because it is embedded firmly in our ways of life.
Although the Great Edo (Benin) Kingdom was not major participant in the trans-Atlantic slave trade, because the Obas (Kings) believed that their subjects were too valuable to sell away, and their noblemen had need of war captives on their own farms, the influence of Edo religion and medicine have still been substantial on the people of the Americas.
According to Mason (1996), it has been widely accepted that Olokun (god of the sea) worship originated with the Edos and spread to the Yoruba (p.2). In fact, the most prominent part of Edo cultural traditions that has made its mark in the New World is Olokun worship. Olokun (god of the Waters, known as Osiris in Egypt) worship originated from Urhonigbe and then became prominent at Ughoton,around the Ethiope (Olokun) River. The priesthood and rituals were firmly established at the time. Some of the possible points of contact happened early. During the Ogiso Period, trade with the Yoruba and Igbos was quite extensive. Olokun worship may have spread to those areas through traders. Prior to the Oba Period,Ekaladerhan Izoduwa was initiated into Olokun as a chief Priest while he stayed at Ughoton, before his moving westward with his followers to establish Ilefe (Ero,1999,p.108-109).
Once he arrived, Ekaladerhan Izoduwa brought Edo traditions to those areas and was a King of his new community called Ilefe, which could be what yoruba call IFE. . From Ekaladerhan Izoduwa’s loins, the Yoruba dynasties may have began. However, it is certain that Olokun is an Edo divinity whose worship spread to the outlying Yoruba areas. During the trans-Atlantic slave trade, slave raids were launched upon Yoruba and Ibo territories. Europeans were able to obtain some of the greatest amounts of West Africans from both Yoruba and Ibo land (Crosby,1992, p.136). In the 18th century in Iboland at Isseke, slave raiders took a famous Edo subject named Olaudah Equiano, who later wrote about the encounter. Olaudah traveled to the New World and then to England, learned to read and write English, and shared his religious and cultural experiences.
Many Edo traditions were directly and indirectly incorporated into the New World through its far reaching colonies. The Edo Kingdom extended from the boundary with Oyo in the north (Otun) to the Atlantic in the south, beyond Asaba to River Niger, and up to Eko (Lagos) in the west. Both Edo religion and medicine have already been taken to those domains, following traditional practices originating in Edo land.

(5). Benin ruled over what today known as Yorubaland, IFE, EKITI, LAGOS, OGUN, OWO, ONDO ETC

(6). Benin through Oba Orhogbuan founded lagos and ruled Lagos through royal viceroys whose descendants are today the traditional rulers of Lagos.The rights of who owns Lagos is not disputable.Lagos was a Benin town with a Benin Duke who paid tribute to the Oba of Benin indeed his chiefs were the descendants of noble Benin families. The Benin empire ran Lagos for over 400 years before the colonial powers took over.

Though there were some migrant yorubas from togo during british presence in lagos, but they formed not the rulers of the town but the subjects of the Oba just like we find in the United Kingdom today where people are subjects of the queen of England and not citizens. We will explain citizenship rights to you later in another treatise.

(7). Benin first to meet Europeans

(. "Oba" is a word adopted from Benin and not Yoruba as many made us to believe. There is no king of Yoruba's people. and if there is, what was his title?;how many Yoruba prominent traditional leaders/rulers carried the title Oba? since when?.if Yoruba calls their king Oba,it doesn't mean we derived our king's name (N'Oba) from them. Everyone has a name for king in the their native language/tongue. The Oba of Lagos is Eleko of Eko not Oba, the British change it to Oba. the Origin of word "oba" is Benin

(9). They never conquered any territory but rather struggle with their neighbours before and after the first encounter with Europeans slave hunters.

(10). "Edo" have no linguistic relationship with Yoruba. Words like Eko,Idu Ganran,Yaba,Oshodi,Osa,Eti-Osa,idu-magbo,Idu-mota have no Yoruba origin but Edo's.

(11). Note history is subject to scientific diagnosis and many historic writtings in the past about Benin-yoruba have been proved by archaeologies and scientist as erroneous and false.

(12). Many Yoruba being those in the forefront of Nigeria history writers wrote history textbooks used in Nigeria institutions and thus had the benefit of making their yoruba look like leading culture with the richest history for nigerians.

(13). Yorubas exploiting their privilege of imbibing the whiteman's education first have been peddling falsehood in Nigeria,British and other western universities misleading Africans with grammar and academic titles. They confuse other external scholars about the true realities of African history, implanting those false history into African -America books without the knowledge of the Edo King.

(14). Yorubas engaged the highest in slave raiding in their togo-oyo region which stretched to lagos during slave trade. see http://ihuanedo.ning.com/…/to…/yoruba-enslavement-of-african

(15) Yoruba never colonized Benin but Benin colonized many Yoruba settlements.

(16) Yoruba is not in anyway related to Igbo ancestral history

(17) Yoruba was not in anyway related to itsekiri history. There could be later migrants during the European exploration and commerce but not related to the itsekiri ancestral lineage. Never mind all the title of "Olu" in the region,it is a title contrived to replace the original which is "Ode" of Itsekiris.

(18) Bishop Ajayi crowder and Obafemi Awolowo made Yoruba known today as an ethnic group in Nigeria

(19) How can an Empire be inside an Empire? Many so called yoruba territories of today never existed in the past but were invented and stillfully documented into dubious historical records.

(20) Most of their books and publications are mere opinions of the writers concocted inside their rooms without scientific researches or facts-finding visits to Ancient Benin for archaeological veracity. Covered up with self hate, jealousy and envy of the Great Benin, bias and leftish in many of their so called Nigerian history,they tried to re-invent a history that diminishes our political greatness.

(22) Many Yorubas in Lagos today came as migrant workers for British companies and their construction projects.That is why you have a lot of their photographs with whites. Britain also used them as colonial officers.

(23) Before Britain or before the punitive expedition of 1897, Yorubas have no mega state to be found as the recognized major ethnic group in lagos were Edos.

(24) Where is Yoruba ancient flag or before 1897?

honeric01:
Funny enough there was no where I claimed one was superior. Learn to read with comprehension.

Now go back to the first comment i quoted/responded to, read slowly this time around, then make a sound judgement in your next comment to me.

You claimed my reasoning is illogical but failed to explain why, rather resorted to insults..that's shallow young man!

Learning is not hard, please don't disappoint yourself again.

honeric01:
Do you know your history?

The origin of the Yorubas and why you have different versions of yorubas? You know before you can point someone to a direction, you must surely have an idea of the destination.

OPCNAIRALAND:
It is indisputable that Oba is a titular position and belongs to Yoruba culture, not Benin.

So why is King of Benin a titular Omo n'Oba (the descendant of Oba), can the Benin palace give us clarity on this?

Etinosajay:
The truth that you witnessed or the one passed on to you?

History is a contentious subject my brother. That is why keepers of history do not rely on a single account of an event to draw conclusion.

Remember that

Take a clue: more than 8 book of account of different race, suggests that the first man of their race fell from the sky, e.g, your Obatala in Yoruba, and the Ogiso in Bini Kingdom, amongst other accounts of other race. Yet the bible records Adam as the first man on earth

Justinpm:
Omo n' Oba (the descendant of Oba), simply means that the Current Oba is a decendant of Other Great Obas before him... In the same Linage!! And it started from Oba Eweka the Great,,

forgiveness:
The Oyo Empire (1400–1895) was a West African empire of what is today western Nigeria. The empire was established by the Yoruba in the 15th century and grew to become one of the largest West African states encountered by colonial explorers. It rose to preeminence through wealth gained from trade and its possession of a powerful cavalry. The Oyo Empire was the most politically important state in the region from the mid-17th to the late 18th century, holding sway not only over other Yoruba states, but also over the Fon kingdom of Dahomey (located in the state now known as the Republic of Benin).

[b]Benin Empire (1440–1897)[/b]a large pre-colonial African state of modern Nigeria.

The Kingdom of Dahomey (1600–1900) was a West African kingdom in part of modern Benin

Kaabu Empire (1537–1867), a Mandinka Kingdom of Senegambia (centered on modern northeastern Guinea-Bissau but extending into Casamance, Senegal) that rose to prominence in the region thanks to its origins as a former province of the Mali Empire. After the decline of the Mali Empire, Kaabu became an independent kingdom.

Asante Union (1701–1894), a pre-colonial West African state of what is now the Ashanti Region in Ghana. The empire stretched from central Ghana to present day Togo and Côte d'Ivoire, bordered by the Sahelian Dagomba kingdom to the north (a sub-state of the Mossi), and Dahomey to the east. Today, the Ashanti monarchy continues as one of the constitutionally protected, sub-national traditional states within the Republic of Ghana.

Kong Empire (1710–1894) centered in north eastern Côte d'Ivoire that also encompassed much of present-day Burkina Faso.

Bamana Empire (1712–1896) based at Ségou, now in Mali. It was ruled by the Kulubali or Coulibaly dynasty established c. 1640 by Fa Sine also known as Biton-si-u. The empire existed as a centralized state from 1712 to the 1861 invasion of Toucouleur conqueror El Hadj Umar Tall.

Sokoto Caliphate (1804–1903), an Islamic empire in Nigeria, led by the Sultan of Sokoto, Sa’adu Abubakar. Founded during the Fulani Jihad in the early 19th century, it was one of the most powerful empires in sub-Saharan Africa prior to European conquest and colonization. The caliphate remained extant through the colonial period and afterwards, though with reduced power.

Q of Liberia.
Toucouleur Empire (1848–1893), established as a jihadist stete bu Al hajj Umar Tall in present Mali, upon the conquest of the kingdoms of Segu and Masina.
Wassoulou Empire (1878–1898), a short-lived empire of built from the conquests of Dyula ruler Samori Ture and destroyed by the French colonial army.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_kingdoms_in_pre-colonial_Africaaqqa

walezy14:
Prince Msa Abiola Adedimeji ATTENTION FOR RECORDS!

The History between Ooni, Aalafin and Oba of Benin cannot be distorted because records are there to point to. Chief Edebere and Benin palace should answer the following questions: Why was Oba of Benin after their demised were buried in Ife called the "heaven of Benin Kings" which has
not yet controverted. 2. If truly Oduduwa was a son to Ogiso Owodo, after his death, why was he not returnned to Benin and subsequent Oonis that ruled Ife like the Ọba of Lagos until the emergence of Ologunkutete. 3. Why was the official Language of Benin palace was Yoruba. 4. Why was Ibinu corrupted as Benin is Yoruba language. 5. If Odùduwà was Ogiso son, then who was Lamurudu that begat Oduduwa was to Oduduwa and his brothers who were
kings in Kukawa and Kogobiri in modern day Borno. 6. Why was the Yoruba nation grew to Ga in Accra, Yoruba in Togo and Republic of Benin. 7. How do they identified that
Ekhaderem was Oduduwa who was sent away as a boy and has become so old when the Benin requested for a ruler from the pontiff King Ooni of Ife who was reluctant to send his son to rule in Benin and eventually gave the Benin emissary 3 termites for them to nurture before he can release his son to govern Benin.8. Why was the cavers
learnt the technology of caving in Ife. 9. If truly, Odùduwà came from Benin, Why did Benin culture not reflect in Ifè and Yoruba towns and reverse was the case. Now, having
asked these questions, I want to contribute that Chief Edebiri goofed by saying Oba is indigenous to Benin, it is worthy to educate him that before Oodua ruled in Ife, there has been Obaluaye, Obatala, Obalufon among others who ruled various clans in Yoruba land and allowed Oduduwa to be the paramount ruler Oba is a King in Yorubaland from time immemorial while Oloja is lesser to OBA and Bale is lesser to Oloja. Also, worthy to remind the high chief is that
why Benin was a Kingdom, Oyo was an Empire, an amalgamation of Kingdoms, and

OPCNAIRALAND:
Look in the picture of Yoruba Obas, taken in 1937. Your Omo n'Oba is sittin in a position of subordinate to the Ooni.

This is historic, forget what anybody say...your Omo n'Oba himself speaks through that picture to the entire world and progeny of Yorubas and Binis.

Do you disagree?

sybarite7:
NA U E PAIN PASS OOO, RETARDED IMBERCILE

Oahray:
what is this one saying? The Bini version is more logical and isn't on a denial spree like yours. At least they admitted that they went to Ile-Ife when they ran into trouble with their Ogiso dynasty.

I'm sure you read my post where I said no one descended from the sky. Neither the Binis nor the Yorubas. However I haven't seen any Bini person try to refute any claim by saying something cannot be true because their Ogisos came from heaven.

The yorubas would rather argue that Oduduwa descended from heaven commando style than admit that he could have come from a nearby kingdom. They would rather have him trek from Egypt or Mecca than from Igodomigodo.

[b]Even if the title Ogiso means what it is popularly thought to mean, there is no evidence anyone took it literally. The first Ogiso Igodo isn't revered as a mystical being in any Bini folklore.

[/b]One of my yoruba friends (a graduate o) still insists with all conviction that the chains with which Oduduwa descended from heaven is still somewhere in yoruba land.

What logical mind would be moved to believe those tales? Certainly not mine, but then, I'm only speaking for myself.

riddler4real:
You need to know the fact. Which is Oduduwa wasnt born in ile ife. He migrated from somewhere. So the question is where did he migrate from?
I am a yoruba man and I am not ashamed to tell the truth.

The yoruba kingdom had existed before Oduduwa settled there. So where did Oduduwa come from?
Why did he send his son to rule over Benin kingdom?

Try and see the connection and analogy in this. TO be king you must be royalty by blood line. Hence he sent his son to Benin to rule over his ancestral throne..... You do the math..

And please Oduduwa didnt come from Mecca or fall from the skies with a chain.

One of the problem with this part of Africa is the lack of detailed historical record and research

Blackkie:
Where was the said picture taken?
Why was it taken?
Who gave the order of seating as seniority?

So if in 50 years to come, a Nigerian child sees a picture with Buhari at the centre while Obama is at his right followed by Putin and other world leaders, he or she can say Buhari is superior to them?

Enahi:
God p urnish you for claiming Edo throne, are you mad or what?

Super1Star:
Who let the dog out Who who who who!!!!!!!!!!!!


Cry us holy water but the undeniable facts remains Oranmiyan impregnated your princess and she gave birth to Eweka, who was your 1st Oba and successfully ended the Ogiso Dynasty and the beginning of Oba Dynasty in the land Oranmiyan named Ile-Ibinu, which later turned to Bini.

clefstone:
I frequently saw the last ooni attending the Esama of Bini, Chief Igbinedion's birthday parties, and eating party jolof rice. CLASSLESS to say the least.
NB: the Esama pays homage to the Oba of Bini

Born2Breed:
Who is the father of Oranmiyan? Who fathered Oduduwa? Historical events are there if you care study them.

Ekaladerhan(Oduduwa) sent Oranmiyan to his fathers land to take over his throne due to age, but some edo's rejected him and he left in anger after impregnating his Queen who later gave birth to Eweka. Oduduwa never wanted Oranmiyan to return to Ile-Ife b hence he delegated his power to his attendant who later was named Ooni because he was the Omo Oluwo Ni.

After being told to return to his father's land which is Benin, Oranmiyan refused cos he was afraid for his life due to the civil war in Benin. He later went and founded Oyo where he gave birth to his second child who later became the 2nd Aalafin of Oyo.

In terms of hierarchy the first child is the senior. The Oba of Benin comes first, then Aalafin of Oyo before others. Omo Oluwo Ni can never come first before his masters children.

I dare any true Yoruba man to say it before the Aalafin that Ooni comes before him.

Know your history nor be curse, do not pay homage to the slave who took over from oduduwa but to his son. The head of Yoruba kings remains the Aalafin of Oyo. The Oba of Benin is not a Yoruba king so leave him out of your supremacy tussle.

The Benin's are not greater than the Yoruba's and the Yoruba's are not greater than the Benin's. And they are not related expect through the royal crown.

Kirigidi:
If u study history very well, u wil notice dat bfor d comin of d British, Yoruba kings were not knwn by d title "Oba". Rather, they were bearin various titles such as Alaafin, Ooni, Alake, Deji, Ewi, Olu, Baale, etc. Only d Benin monarchs were knwn to hav bin consistent wit d use of d title "Oba" frm d start as documentd by early Portuguese Explorers who visitd d empire in d 15th century AD! D title "OBA" is derived frm d Edoid word "OGBA" which translates to mean, "THE STRONG", "THE POWERFUL", "THE MIGHTY" or "THE GREAT"! D use of d Oba title by Yoruba kings was a later adaptation copied frm d Binis owing to d fame nd prestige of d Benin Monarchy. Nd also, don't forget dat d Binis conquerd nd ruled large parts of Yorubaland!