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jeffucee10:
If Oba is a Yoruba word for King


what will be the meaning of "KABIYESI"

pulsa:
very correct
omo "odu-to-da-iwa" ni mi

ritababe:
oduduwa was a barnish prince from benin.

ritababe:
hahahahaha, you are twisting it bro, your first king is a bini, it doesnt matter wether he was banish or not, so far was he born in bini and he has the blood of bini he remain one of us, case close.

gagewonda:
From ur statement it shows u dont even knw about ur culture..i wanna ask u a question, whenever you pple hold new yam festivals is there a representative of the oba of benin or not? and do dey pay homage to the oba of benin or not? but there again i tink u r ignorant of all dis as u dont knw hw its done or neva attended one

Lemon12:
[b] Esogban,who is third in command in the palace of the Oba of Benin, said: “We wanted to discard this report as something that was not necessary at all. We do not see how the Alake of Egbaland suddenly woke up to think that the Oba of Benin is also a Yoruba Oba. There is no basis for such classification; Oba of Benin has nothing to do with the Yoruba Obas. It is simply unnecessary, unless they simply want to stir up an unnecessary controversy.


“We are not in Yorubaland. "We are not yoruba people. To be frank, it is because many of them are not willing to come up with the truth, the word Oba is alien to Yoruba monarchy; it is not part of their title from time immemorial. For instance, the one they call the Oba of Lagos, these are recent adaptations. In the 50s, there was no Oba of Lagos, what we had was the Eleko of Eko. That is the title of the King there. In Ibadan, you have the Olu Ibadan. You come to Abeokuta, you have the Alake of Egbaland. You come to Oyo, you have the Alaafin of Oyo. In Ilesha, you have the Owa-Obokun of IIesha. So no Yoruba monarch had as part of his titles the word Oba except the Oba of Benin. The word Oba is indigenous to benin only [/b]
How many times do u him to say it??

ritababe:
is better for him to remain in his palace and protect the culture of bini people than to go outside and be ranting nonsense just like Oni of Ife.

YoruBadGoon:
Don't mind these Bini fools. Some even said the Oba of Bini will use some voodoo on Ooni of Ife - hysterical. How are you going to use the orishas you borrowed against the original custodian of the orishas? If and when the Ooni visits what's left of the relics of the small ancient kingdom that later became overrated due to fables - the Oba of Bini has to bow down to his progenitor.

Everything about bini was borrowed from Yorubas. They borrowed the Oba dynasty. Borrowed Yoruba orishas. Borrowed knowledge of artworks from Yorubas. Borrowed idea of building moats from Ijebus etc.. They borrowed almost everything, yet they make noise everywhere.

Born2Breed:
The Ooni of Ife, Adeyeye Ogunwusi, on Tuesday said Benin Kingdom in Edo State remained part of the expansive Yoruba race, a pronouncement that may spark fresh rivalry and altercation between people of the two ancient kingdoms.

The monarch made the comment in reaction to a statement credited to the palace of the Oba of Benin challenging the claim by the Alake of Egbaland, Adedotun Gbadebo, that the Ooni of Ife remained the pre-eminent spiritual leader in Yorubaland and environs.

Oba Ogunwusi, via a statement by his Director of Media and Public Affairs, Moses Olafare, made available to PREMIUM TIMES, said he was not interested in any supremacy battle with anyone but that he would continue to put the records straight and avoid distortion of history from any quarters.

The monarch said going by historical evidence detailing the Oduduwa lineage, Benin Kingdom remained part and parcel of Oduduwa House.

“We in Oduduwa land have always seen and regarded our people in Benin kingdom as part and parcel of Oduduwa House. They are our brothers and sisters, coupled with historical facts to back up this position,” Ooni Ogunwusi said.

“The statement credited to the Alake of Egbaland, did not emanate from us but the reality is that as a highly experienced and well informed monarch, Kabiyesi Alake, who is a bonafide Oodua descendant is entitled to his opinion based on his knowledge and understanding of history,” the Ooni said.

“Let me emphasize for the umpteenth time that Kabiyesi Ooni is less concerned over any supremacy hullabaloo. He is only interest for now in how the sacred throne of Oduduwa can explore measures through which the collective interest and genuine unity among Yoruba and other tribes within the larger House of Oduduwa can be enhanced.

“This informed his resolve to build bridges of harmony among Yourba Obas. I am resolutely committed to how Yoruba ethnic group can restore its glory and pride of position among other ethnic inclinations in Nigeria and don’t want to be dragged into supremacy contest or join issues with anybody.”

The traditional ruler said he recalled that about six years ago, attempt was made by some people to upturn history during the launch of a book titled: I REMAIN SIR, YOUR OBEDIENT SERVANT, which he said stood historical facts on its head.

Oba Ogunwusi stated that If the position espoused by the Oba of Benin Palace in the media “is aimed at distancing our people in Benin from the South West and Yoruba, so be it.”

He however added, “We still identify with them as our kinsmen, regardless of the attempt to change the course of history.”

The Alake had, while hosting the Oba Ogunwusi in his palace on February 7, rated the Ooni as the number one monarch in Yorubaland and other territories considered part of the Oduduwa House.

In his rating, Oba Gbadebo said Oba Ogunwusi was number one of the five principal Obas in Yorubaland, followed by the Alaafin of Oyo, then by the Oba of Benin (in third position), the Alake of Egbaland (fourth) and the Awujale of Ijebuland (fifth).

But in a swift reaction on Tuesday, the Esogban of Benin and Odionwere of the Kingdom, David Edebiri, rejected the ranking, saying the Ooni of Ife was a son of the Oba of Benin and that the Oba of Benin stool has no relationship with the Yoruba race.

The Esogban said, “We wanted to discard this report as something that was not necessary at all. We do not see how the Alake of Egbaland suddenly woke up to think that the Oba of Benin is also a Yoruba Oba.

“There is no basis for such classification; Oba of Benin has nothing to do with the Yoruba Obas. It is simply unnecessary, unless they simply want to stir up an unnecessary controversy.

“We are not in Yorubaland. To be frank, it is because many of them are not willing to come up with the truth, the word Oba is alien to Yoruba monarchy; it is not part of their title from time immemorial.

“For instance, the one they call the Oba of Lagos, these are recent adaptations. In the 50s, there was no Oba of Lagos, what we had was the Eleko of Eko. That is the title of the King there. In Ibadan, you have the Olu Ibadan. You come to Abeokuta, you have the Alake of Egba land. You come to Oyo, you have the Alaafin of Oyo. In Ilesha, you have the Owa-Obokun of IIesha. So no Yoruba monarch had as part of his titles the word Oba except the Oba of Benin.

“That word Oba is indigenous to Benin. It is only in recent times you find everybody bearing Oba. When the Western Regional conference of traditional rulers took place in Benin City in 1942, go and check the attendance, there was no other monarch in the whole of the Western Region then that bore the title of Oba, except the Oba of Benin.

“So it is an unnecessary excursion, an unnecessary attempt to turn history upside down by the Alake by classifying the Oba of Benin as third in the hierarchy of kings.

“Our own traditional history says that the Ooni of Ife was a Benin Prince who wandered from here to Ife, settled there and became the ruler there. That is the position, if they don’t know, they should send people here; we will teach them.

“We will show them landmarks. So this is unnecessary misrepresentation of history. Maybe the Alake wanted to mention a different place and not Benin.

“The monarchical rulership in this part of the world started from Benin during the era of the Ogisos. It was the son of the last Ogiso, Owodo, that wandered from here to Ife and he became a ruler there, carrying everything about the Benin monarchical system to that place. There is no basis for such classification.

“The Ooni of Ife, by historical facts, is a son of the Oba of Benin, so they are not in the same class. The Oba of Benin is the only one that answers Oba, the rest don’t. But today, we hear Oba here and there, they are all recent adaptations. I am saying categorically that the word Oba is indigenous to Benin and not to Yoruba nation.”

In field of diplomacy, there are certain facts you don't advance to avoid stirring of controversy This ranking shouldn't have come at a time Ooni is making frantic efforts to repair the damage inflicted on the relationship among Yoruba Obas The other Obas might even conceed the honour on him voluntarily with the success of that shuttle diplomacy embarked upon by Ooni So ranking at this time is inappropriate Pls let there be Peace in Yorubaland


http://www.premiumtimesng.com/news/top-news/198255-benin-kingdom-edo-yoruba-territory-ooni-ife-adeyeye-ogunwusi.html

oloyede252:
oh God.too much dense people on this thread..lemme ask you a simple question.was there anything like benin kingdom before the coming of oduduwa to edo land?if you're intelligent you will agree wiht the ooni.but you are too dull to understand.

uncjay:
You too dumb to differentiate what is written up there, the response of the ooni was for the reply esogban give the oba of egbaland.... You may take your time to read again, noting where the ooni statement ends in reference to the reply of the esogban.

blazetitov:
“The Ooni of Ife, by historical facts, is a son of the Oba of Benin, so they are not in the same class".

How can the guy from benin be contradicting himself by saying the Ooni of Ife was a son of the Oba of Benin and at the same time saying that the Oba of Benin stool has no relationship with the Yoruba race. I don't get it.

pulsa:
he was not the first king he was our progenitor and there fore the first Yoruba man to ever exist, he was more than some Benin ethnicity he was the creator of the Yoruba dynasty. just like the first human being will have been human and not an ape irrespective of the fact that he came from apes.

Chibuzoc:
Una don de grab land abi. Bini's wake up o, land grabbers don come

pulsa:
he was not the first king he was our progenitor and there fore the first Yoruba man to ever exist, he was more than some Benin ethnicity he was the creator of the Yoruba dynasty. just like the first human being will have been human and not an ape irrespective of the fact that he came from apes.

Chibuzoc:
Tell me something
Banished?? Did he bleep his mother

chingum:
Theses youba people's lie and efforts to twist history can be very shocking. They are quick to claim an Ehizojie, Ohikhuare, and Igbinedion as yoruba, yet even quicker to say a Chibuike Amechi or Tonto Dike isn't Igbo, and a Kene Nwachukwu, Sunday Oliseh, and Nkem Okafor isn't Igbo but delta-igbo. Such hypocites and slimmy bigot! Gosh!!!

Lstar4real:
Edo are not Yoruba but Benin are part of Yoruba which is the Capital of Edo state..... & The Yorubas in benin are d King.....& the most powerful people in Benin till date.... Everyone came from somewhere we don't know.......but the fact still remain old Ooni of Ife sent his son to be the King in Benin

YoruBadGoon:
We don't need their land - bini land isn't worth anything even if you were to attach valuable items to it.

But the crown and royalty belong to Yorubas. We also own their orishas and their artworks came from us. Heck, a lot of the clothes they wear also came from us. We just need to remind them from time to time where they stand and who owns the crown on their Oba's head. No one needs their land.

JoeBlocks:
I await the Oba of Benin response to this.

Chibuzoc:
Ok, you need the crown, come and take it

RillJ:
Just pondering! (Give, Oduduwa fathered the Yoruba race)
- What does Oduduwa mean in Yoruba?
- Where did Oduduwa originate from? (Not Saudi or Egypt pls)
- Eko and by extension, Idumota, Idumagbo etc, are Yoruba words/names?
- How far back can you trace the Yoruba history?
- Where was Yoruba when Benin Kingdom ones extended to as far as Dahomey?

Just contemplating pls

chingum:
Theses youba people's lie and efforts to twist history can be very shocking. They are quick to claim an Ehizojie, Ohikhuare, and Igbinedion as yoruba, yet even quicker to say a Chibuike Amechi or Tonto Dike isn't Igbo, and a Kene Nwachukwu, Sunday Oliseh, and Nkem Okafor isn't Igbo but delta-igbo. Such hypocites and slimmy bigot! Gosh!!!

Elxandre:
When you too like trouble sef

Your DP doesn't look like who I saw on whatsapp, what's happening here

YoruBadGoon:
We don't need the crown back.

We'll let the Yoruba blood keep colonising them, while they all line up and bow down to our orishas.

pulsa:
we had but they were disparate and numerous ruling over numerous minute territories (town) but he united them all, and that is while till today there are numerous Yoruba kings heading numerous u towns in the southwest.

brownlord:
Smart man, was there anything like Yoruba kingdom before Ododuwa was alleged to have descended from the sky?