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DeathStroke007:
#busted# Mr Paul follower/lair/

AlMuflihah:
The scholars of hadith (rahimahumullahu a'laihim aj'ma'in)...gathered millions of ahadith, everything they collected and
recorded them...dats part 1,then they took up d 2nd part wch is filtering those ahadith...to remove sand from garri...may Allah reward them... it's very normal if news reporters gather information on diff events from diff ppu...u'll see some will resemble the other, while some would just be almost opposite, some would not even resemble or make any sense to a particular event...they use. diff criteria to get the authentic news... as for the scholars of ahadith, they travelled across cities, countries and even across continents to confirm the authenticities of ahadith. Under the study of the science of hadith,there is d study of the art and science of transmission of ahadith.they'll trace d chain of transmission to the original eye witness... from the son of so, the father of so and neighbour of so, to the brother of so, the grandchild of so...to d origin itself...if along d line... 2 transistors contradict, they'll av to ascertain who is wrong and gave false information...and other methods being employed in Arabia is judging by the transmitters memory power,if someone is known to be a liar or of low memory power amongst other poor qualities, his ahadith will be rejected and would be graded daif (weak) or even fabricated... even till dis day... history is compiled this way...but I know with this little non-complex explanation...some block headed dustbin filled and heart darkened imbeciles would not comprehend...

unphilaz:
which explanation? that though abu dawud and Bhukari were under the guidance of allahh and faithfully captured the life of the prophet will be discredited by the status of hasan which came as result of embarrassment not becos of allahh's direction...but if you can, show me where allahh approved the abrogation of his words?

lexiconkabir:
hmm, you are now a christian, no more an atheist? see i always knew it that you are an undercover christian.

AlMuflihah:
Ode...ahadith words of Allah u see,u are so empty when it comes to islam...ahadith are d sayings and doings of the prophet sallallahu alahi wasallam recorded by men! Get that? And d glorious qur'an is d revelation from Allah to the prophet conveyed by angel Jubril (gabriel) the angel responsible for conveying messages...the angel that conveyed the messages of Allah to other prophets(moses,jesus,abraham,joseph,zachariyyah etc) and non-prohets (e.g mary)...but because it was recorded from men...it's bound to contain fabrication,and lies,intentional and unintentional (wch may be due to forgetfulness)...I have bursted ur lies sha... lo mu omi si

true2god:
If the narration is weak why is there no fatwa to condemn the hadith? If I publish thing against your prophet, in a public magazine, wont your mufti and ayatollas issue a fatwa for me to be killed for blasphemy against your prophet? Is there any official rejection of this hadith, by the council of islamic scholars, aside from classifying it as a weak hadith by some unkown and irrelevant muslims like you?

Take a chill pill, there are thousands of hadiths, without chain of narrators, which spoke well of your prophet and were all clasified sahih (original), why the inconsistency anytime the hadith place your prophet in a bad light? You muslims cant just cherry-pick what you want in the hadith, it is either you accept all hadiths that had been in circulation for hundreds of years or you discard the hadiths altogether.

Some muslims have already discarded the hadith and call themselves 'quran only' muslims. Why are you deceiving yourselve ignorantly?

DeathStroke007:
It's in the hadith itself you will see the Chain of narration.. The hadith you posted is weak hadith..


And if you wanna say its strong hadith... Then the Moses law justified what the hadith is saying as right...



Let's forget maybe weak hadith or not..



What that hadith is saying is supported by mosaic law..the commandments from God... The law about adultery... Go read it's explanation

DeathStroke007:
Some hadith were written by [b]kufars, unbeliever's, some are lies.....[/b]and some are truth...


That's why we classified it into weak and strong hadith..



Olodo

DeathStroke007:
Allah's word should not be abrogated, am talking from my own point of view... Because if any part of HIS word was abrogated, THERE WILL SURELY BE CONTRADICTION IN QUR'AN.

lexiconkabir:
That question has been answered, so i wont waste my time with it, go and read.

Dont ask me silly questions, Allah promised to guard the Quran only, period! bukhari and abu dawud are not the narrators, they are just recorders.

unphilaz:
but you will agree that ahadiths are been used by ISIS and BH to decieve gulible muslims to do evil.. so i believe you will advocate total rejection of the ahadith since its admix with lies and truths and stay ONLY with the koran!

lexiconkabir:
you have a long way to go, you dont even know anything, abu dawood and bukhari, close to the prophet?

Blackfire:
your own point of view? Abrogation ..... Contradiction in the quran.

It will soon clear from your eyes, ABROGATION is well enshrine in the quran, why do think mecca mohamed is different from medina mohamed? The medina mohamed, Surat cancel all mecca surat. Now that my friend is the contradictions, inconsistencies , unstable puppeter behind everything Islam...
Just research this , and u will never remain the same..

unphilaz:
well good attempt to clarify issues... now since its not 100% accurate, why did the compilers of the hadith not use the koran which is used as the yardstick to remove or discard the op hadith but allowed it to sail thru to the discussion we are having now...

In another way, could it be the compilers saw that the op hadith had a lot of strong narration chain as deathstroke has alluded, that is why it was not rejected?

unphilaz:
deathstroke generalised the narrators that is why i asked the question, now i knw that they were merely recorders who can even make mistakes as well as the narrators themselves.

unphilaz:
deathstroke generalised the narrators that is why i asked the question, now i knw that they were merely recorders who can even make mistakes as well as the narrators themselves.

DeathStroke007:
It's in the hadith itself you will see the Chain of narration.. The hadith you posted is weak hadith..


And if you wanna say its strong hadith... Then the Moses law justified what the hadith is saying as right...



Let's forget maybe weak hadith or not..



What that hadith is saying is supported by mosaic law..the commandments from God... The law about adultery... Go read it's explanation

lexiconkabir:
@Blackfire, lol, you wrote such a long epistle to defend the undefendable, see, i have studied you, and i know that you are an undercover christian, let me give you an instance, a brother made a statement that "why would christians believe that their God came from a woman" and you being an "atheist" said "where do you expect him to come from, her head or her leg.." now a normal atheist should condemn this irrationality or keep mute, yet you tried to defend it, what does this mean? mind you, i can bring the thread if you want.

lexiconkabir:
not half truths and half lies, but some truths and some lies, hope you know the difference? IFF it doesnt contradict the Quran like i said earlier, then yes! if it does, then its thrown out of the window.

yazach:
The major problem of you guys is behaving like a zombie, you keep on repeating same-thing

Were your not informed in the explanation that they are human being and all creature can make mistake except the creator.

receive brain

unphilaz:
if i mix poison in your drink and i told you there are some poision in the drink will you not throw away everything? having some truth and some lies is same... you will definately hold on to the whole not mixture of which you claim its the koran! abi i lie?

lexiconkabir:
Guy, you dont have any point, when you have something reasonable to say, quote me.

Demmzy15:
That's how most of them are, they can't do without deception!

unphilaz:
So by implication, Abu Dawud had to also consult mosaic law to formulate the op hadith ? chineke

AlMuflihah:
Thank for you at least requesting to get issues clarified. I had answered this questions before. And my brother lexiconkabir had told you that the only book Allah promised to protect is the Qur'an not Bukhari, Muslim or Abu Dawud.

unphilaz:
you have not bursted no lies of mine... rather you have helped your facheux who was so fearful of answering... good now we know that the collection of hadiths is ahadiths. good.

Now i direct my question to you... do you know the meaning of abrogation? if yes, kindly state it.

unphilaz:
discard the poison mixed with the food..lies+truth away with it.

unphilaz:
good and lexiconkabir accepted that ahadiths are mix of some truth and some lies... now if i gave you a drink mix with poison, and you were informed it is poisoned, you would definately throw it away... wont you?

Blackfire:
@deathstroke007 @lexincolair

the topic is how Allah copied from the Jewish rabbis, the famous quran 5; 32-34. The moniiker is bashsan.

The guy can be any of u, am still waiting for the verse in the Torah or bible that proves mohamed is prophet from the mark on his shoulder.

Concerning your ranting about me been this or that... Keep your frustration to yourselves. Thank al-ilah u ve been ghostly following me, u will also notice where i bash Christians... Example assemblies of god church that took themselves to court and so many... Now that i read vedas does that make a Hindus, that i ve bible in my house those that make a Christian, that i ve a Koran inside my car does that make me a Muslim? Allah kiaye.. But like i told u in my long epistle...
I will protect and side these religions against Islam, quran, mohamed, Allah and his al majiris.
They are reasonable more than Islam, i know how manytimes i ve gone to the Hindus temple to ask thought provoking question about Shiva, and churches , nobody ve ever threaten me... But Islam.... *spits*,

i will protect other religion , because it protects me against Islam.

Now let me say this slowly for ur backward reading quranic brain, i am an atheist... I live in ibadan... Infact am in iwo road, where my shop is... People know me as an open confessed atheist.

Like i said mohamed and Allah are master in al taqiya.