Philadelphia:





I can't help but agree. You write like a remnant of which I'm 100000001% sure you are

Yea bro, I am. Happy Sabbath to you.

DoctorAlien:


Yea bro, I am. Happy Sabbath to you.

Happy Day. I think I know you.

Philadelphia:


What about Luke 4:16? Was Jesus doing the same thing here?
Just show me one portion in the bible were the disciples or Jesus Himself worshiped on Sunday (observing it as the Sabbath Day).
By the way, Jesus still observed the Sabbath even while in the grave.

Who told you Christians observe the Sabbath?You don't know what Christianity is!Keeping a day as Sabbath is for the Jews!
Everyday is the Sabbath for a Christian.Why do some churches hold services on tuesdays,wednesdays and fridays?What do you say about those days?

thorpido:
Who told you Christians observe the Sabbath?You don't know what Christianity is!Sabbath is for the Jews!
Everyday is the Sabbath for a Christian.Why do some churches hold services on tuesdays,wednesdays and fridays?What do you say about those days?

Read Matt. 5:17-19. If you still abide by the remaining 9 commandments, why have you chosen the 4th Commandment to attack? Do you not know that "...whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all"? James 2:10

Now, understand me: Righteousness cannot be obtained through strict observance of the law by human power. We are saved by the grace of Jesus Christ our Lord. Even as we try to obey His commandments, He helps us in His infinite love to become like Him everyday.

All the apostles and early Christians kept the Sabbath of the LORD. So, at what point did intolerance for the holy day of the LORD begin to appear? You can read Daniel 7 to know about the power that thought it could tamper with the Law of the LORD. Let him that reads understand.

thorpido:
Who told you Christians observe the Sabbath?You don't know what Christianity is!Keeping a day as Sabbath is for the Jews!
Everyday is the Sabbath for a Christian.Why do some churches hold services on tuesdays,wednesdays and fridays?What do you say about those days?

Lol. You contradicted yourself severally. Some dictionaries would tell you; Saturday for the Jews and Sunday for Christians. Was Jesus a Jew or a Christian? In fact, He was called "King of the Jews". If it's Saturday for the Jews and Jesus is a Jew and kept Saturday, who are Christians following/ honouring when they observe Sunday? You hold evening services on some other days of the week; that's cool but do the services on those services take the exact tune of your regular Sunday Services? Why does your church not do harvest on Tuesdays, Wednesdays or Fridays? But on Sundays.
By the way, everyday cannot be the Sabbath (for Christians or Jews).

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Please look for where it is written "everyday".

DoctorAlien:


Read Matt. 5:17-19. If you still abide by the remaining 9 commandments, why have you chosen the 4th Commandment to attack? Do you not know that "...whosoever shall keep the whole law, and yet offend in one point, he is guilty of all"? James 2:10

Now, understand me: Righteousness cannot be obtained through strict observance of the law by human power. We are saved by the grace of Jesus Christ our Lord. Even as we try to obey His commandments, He helps us in His infinite love to become like Him everyday.

You guys don't get it.What commandents were given to the Christians?Note that the 10 commandments were given to the Jews.
Jesus said,'A new commandment I give unto you,that ye love one another,as I have loved you,that ye also love one another.(John 13:34)
Jesus was asked what commandment is the greatest?He said,Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,and with all thy soul,and with all thy mind.This is the first and great commandment.And the second is like unto it,thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
A Christian has only one 'commandment' and that is to love God and his neighbour.When he does that,he fulfils all other 10 commandments.So a Christian is not observing 1 or 2 or 3 commandments as given to the Jews.
Yes Jesus didn't come to abolish the law but love fulfils every bit of the law and that is what Jesus delivered.

The second paragraph of your comment in bold points you in that direction but you just don't have a full grasp of it yet.

For those saying "Sunday is the Sabbath day" or Jesus nailed the Sabbath day to the cross, just type "Change of the Sabbath day" or "who changed the Sabbath day" and you would be marvelled at what you would read.
Furthermore, ask your pastors to explain your church's history and give you bible references for all her beliefs. Also ask them which day is the Sabbath day and the day to worship.
Finally, read Isaiah 66:22,23 and quote it to them asking them to explain it to you.

thorpido:
You guys don't get it.What commandents were given to the Christians?Note that the 10 commandments were given to the Jews.
Jesus said,'A new commandment I give unto you,that ye love one another,as I have loved you,that ye also love one another.(John 13:34)
Jesus was asked what commandment is the greatest?He said,Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,and with all thy soul,and with all thy mind.This is the first and great commandment.And the second is like unto it,thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.
A Christian has only one 'commandment' and that is to love God and his neighbour.When he does that,he fulfils all other 10 commandments.So a Christian is not observing 1 or 2 or 3 commandments as given to the Jews.
Yes Jesus didn't come to abolish the law but love fulfils every bit of the law and that is what Jesus delivered.

The second paragraph of your comment in bold points you in that direction but you just don't have a full grasp of it yet.

Still, you contradict yourself. Yes, love summarises the 10 commandments ie love for God which Jesus said is the first and greatest and the other which is like it is love for man.
Exodus 31:18 And he gave unto Moses, when he had made an end of communing with him upon mount Sinai, two tables of testimony, tables of stone, written with the finger of God.
Now that is where the love comes in upon 2 tables of stone (love for God and love for man). Notice that God did not run out of stones or that the commandments were to long not to properly fit into one stone. Rather, God wrote the 10 commandments upon 2 tables of "stone". This means God Engraved Them. This shows "permanence" of the 10 commandments.
Also notice the arrangements of the 10 commandments; 1-4 indicates love relationship with God and 5-10 indicates love relationship with man. Jesus said love for God is the first and greatest. Did you see it come first in the first 4 commandments?

If you love God, You Would Not Have Another God.
If you love God, You Would Not Make for yourself any graven image.
If you love God, You Would Not Take His name in vain.
If you love God, You Would "Remember" to keep His Sabbath Day.

"And the second is like it"

If you love your neighbour, you would honour your father and mother (neighbour).

If you love your neighbour, you would Not kill your neighbour.

If you love your neighbour, you would not commit adultery with your neighbour's wife/husband, etc.

If you love your neighbour, you would Not steal from your neighbour.

If you love your neighbour, you would not ear false witness against your neighbour.

If you love your neighbour, you would Not covet your neighbour's property

God said "Remember" the Sabbath day to keep it Holy. This is the only commandment that starts with "Remember" as it denotes time. Do you think God knew that some people would seem to forget to remember? Yes He knew. That's why He did not start the 4th commandments with "Thou/ You shall" as He did the remaining 9.
The 4th commandment is one that is easy for people to break and not feel guilty about it as it does not bring about an immediate guilt just like murder, adultery, etc. This is one of the numerous reasons people neglect it. Why does the society frown at killing, stealing, adultery, etc. It is because they are morally not right. What makes it wrong is because God said it is. But why does the 4th commandment seem not to be noticed? It's just like a man who has 10 sons and takes 9 to school and leaves one to stay at home. Does staying at home make that son not to be the child of his father? No it doesn't.

In essence, love truly sums the law. We obey out of love not by force. Obedience out of force is not love. It is the opposite.

Please explain what you put in bold "hang all the law and prophets".

Philadelphia:


Lol. You contradicted yourself severally. Some dictionaries would tell you; Saturday for the Jews and Sunday for Christians. Was Jesus a Jew or a Christian? In fact, He was called "King of the Jews". If it's Saturday for the Jews and Jesus is a Jew and kept Saturday, who are Christians following/ honouring when they observe Sunday? You hold evening services on some other days of the week; that's cool but do the services on those services take the exact tune of your regular Sunday Services? Why does your church not do harvest on Tuesdays, Wednesdays or Fridays? But on Sundays.
By the way, everyday cannot be the Sabbath (for Christians or Jews).

Exodus 20:10 But the seventh day is the sabbath of the LORD thy God: in it thou shalt not do any work, thou, nor thy son, nor thy daughter, thy manservant, nor thy maidservant, nor thy cattle, nor thy stranger that is within thy gates:

Please look for where it is written "everyday".

The dictionary doesn't define scriptures.Dictionary meanings were not coined by religious people.
Jesus being a Jew died for mankind- non-jews inclusive.He brought about a new order that makes all mankind God's people.The Jews had God's religion which others didn't have.
Some services holding during the week sometimes take the exact tune of regular sunday service.The choice of sunday is just for convenience.
Let me give you a poser: in UAE churches hold on fridays.
Exodus 20:10 you quoted was for the jews.Find out the difference between a jew and a Christian first so you can understand the scriptures better.Christians are not Jews for whom the laws were given.

Philadelphia:

Happy Day. I think I know you.

Really? From where?

thorpido:
The dictionary doesn't define scriptures.Dictionary meanings were not coined by religious people.
Jesus being a Jew died for mankind- non-jews inclusive.He brought about a new order that makes all mankind God's people.The Jews had God's religion which others didn't have.
Some services holding during the week sometimes take the exact tune of regular sunday service.The choice of sunday is just for convenience.
Let me give you a poser: in UAE churches hold on fridays.
Exodus 20:10 you quoted was for the jews.Find out the difference between a jew and a Christian first so you can understand the scriptures better.Christians are not Jews for whom the laws were given.

If I may ask you a question, How can we love GOD with all our heart, soul, mind according to Matt. 22:37?

thorpido:
The dictionary doesn't define scriptures.Dictionary meanings were not coined by religious people.
Jesus being a Jew died for mankind- non-jews inclusive.He brought about a new order that makes all mankind God's people.The Jews had God's religion which others didn't have.
Some services holding during the week sometimes take the exact tune of regular sunday service.The choice of sunday is just for convenience.
Let me give you a poser: in UAE churches hold on fridays.
Exodus 20:10 you quoted was for the jews.Find out the difference between a jew and a Christian first so you can understand the scriptures better.Christians are not Jews for whom the laws were given.

Let me also give you a poser: In Israel where Jesus was born and lived, shops and offices close by 2pm on Fridays and opens on Sunday in order to allow people prepare for the Sabbath. Most languages in the world interpret "Saturday" as Sabbath (rest). Where is the mistake coming from?

From the bonded, who determines the day set aside to worship God? Man or God? God said we should set apart one day and you're saying it is out of convenience"Christians" chose Sunday? Mind you, if it is for convenience sake, Saturday is because God chose it "six days you shall labour and do all your work but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God". It even makes perfect sense following the pattern God set after creation.

DoctorAlien:


Really? From where?

I guess I mistook you for someone else. Wanna send you a pm.

If the laws were given to Jews and not Christians, are we now free to kill, steal, disrespect our parents, covet our neighbours' property and bear false witness?

'Hang all the law and the prophets' means the law of love encompasses all that Moses stated in the law and all that the prophets spoke about.
I'm not contradicting myself,rather your comments affirm my points but you seem to be mixing all up.
If you love,why would you kill?Why would you steal from your neighbour or take his wife?Love covers up all the law.That was what Jesus came to do.He came to sow the love of God in the hearts of men.Men couldn't have that love.All they could do was try to observe the laws which they couldn't keep perfectly anyway as DoctorAlien agreed.

Philadelphia:
A renowned person asked me or anyone who can to prove (only from the bible) any of the following and be given 1m naira.
1.) That the Sabbath day was changed from Saturday to Sunday.
2.) Where the bible instructs us to keep Sunday holy instead of Saturday (as the Sabbath day).
3.) That Jesus kept Sunday Holy as the Sabbath day.
Your pastors could assist you.

Derailers and atheist should keep off. Atheists, keep your beliefs only to yourselves.

Jesus did not really observe a one day a week service. The concept of Sunday or Saturday worship was a post resurrection arrangement. I believe at first, their meetings were daily;


Acts 5:42 |
And daily in the temple, and in every house, they ceased not to teach and preach Jesus Christ.

thorpido:
'Hang all the law and the prophets' means the law of love encompasses all that Moses stated in the law and all that the prophets spoke about.
I'm not contradicting myself,rather your comments affirm my points but you seem to be mixing all up.
If you love,why would you kill?Why would you steal from your neighbour or take his wife?Love covers up all the law.That was what Jesus came to do.He came to sow the love of God in the hearts of men.Men couldn't have that love.All they could do was try to observe the laws which they couldn't keep perfectly anyway as DoctorAlien agreed.

Now if you cannot kill, steal and bear false witness, why have you chosen the 4th commandment to do away with?

DoctorAlien:
If the laws were given to Jews and not Christians, are we now free to kill, steal, disrespect our parents, covet our neighbours' property and bear false witness?

If you love your neighbour,would you kill him?Would you steal his property or covet his wife?Would you disrespect your parents if you love them?

I need answers to this question: how can we love GOD with all our heart, soul and mind as Jesus commanded?

thorpido:
If you love your neighbour,would you kill him?Would you steal his property or covet his wife?Would you disrespect your parents if you love them?

How can we now love GOD with all our heart, soul and mind?

Philadelphia:

I guess I mistook you for someone else. Wanna send you a pm.

Replied your PM bro

zenith4biz:
Matthew 28:1
Now after the sabbath, as the first day of the week began to dawn, Mary Magdalene and the other Mary came to see the tomb.

Acts 20:7
[Ministering at Troas]
Now on the first day of the week, when the disciples came together to break bread, Paul, ready to depart the next day, spoke to them and continued his message until midnight.


1Corinthians 16:2
On the first day of the week let each one of you lay something aside, storing up as he may prosper, that there be no collections when I come.


Finally

Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of thesabbath days: 17which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ

Colossians 3:16,17

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DoctorAlien:


Now if you cannot kill, steal and bear false witness, why have you chosen the 4th commandment to do away with?

One of the dictionary meanings of sabbath is a day of rest and worship.
Now what day of worship is there for a Christian?Only sunday?Do you worship God only on sunday or everyday?
If your answer is everyday,Sabbath is everyday!

DoctorAlien:


How can we now love GOD with all our heart, soul and mind?

John 3:16 I believe is well known to you.
John 1:12 says,'but as many as received him,to them gave he power to become the sons of God,even to them that believe on his name.
First it is about believing the death,burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.When you do that,you receive him and the 'power to become' is granted unto you.That power makes you do the things of God.It makes you walk in his righteousness and walk in his statutes.
The bible says the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts(Romans 5:5).God himself puts that love there.If you give Him that attention and fellowship with Him,you will grow that love.

Assuming after all this, people will stop wishing me happy new week on mondays and happy weekend Friday through Sunday, then i will see the need for this argument.

thorpido:
John 3:16 I believe is well known to you.
John 1:12 says,'but as many as received him,to them gave he power to become the sons of God,even to them that believe on his name.
First it is about believing the death,burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ.When you do that,you receive him and the 'power to become' is granted unto you.That power makes you do the things of God.It makes you walk in his righteousness and walk in his statutes.
The bible says the love of God is shed abroad in our hearts(Romans 5:5).God himself puts that love there.If you give Him that attention and fellowship with Him,you will grow that love.

If you mean believing on GOD is loving him, then that is a terrible lie. "Thou believest that there is one GOD; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble" James 2:19. So, clearly, belief in GOD and his power is not love for Him.

A hint for you: John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments".

Now, what commandments?

ma broda where u c Saturday for bible...dey said sabbath day so it doesn't matter if its Saturday or Sunday just kip it holy#shikena

DoctorAlien:


If you mean believing on GOD is loving him, then that is a terrible lie. "Thou believest that there is one GOD; thou doest well: the devils also believe, and tremble" James 2:19. So, clearly, belief in GOD and his power is not love for Him.

A hint for you: John 14:15 "If ye love me, keep my commandments".

Now, what commandments?

I didn't say just 'believing' in God.It is actually accepting that Jesus Christ died,was buried and raised from the dead for your salvation.Not everyone believes that and certainly not devils.
Accepting the works of Christ is what sows that love in you because that work of Christ was sown in love.
The commandment is love.

Philadelphia:


After quoting the tenth commandment of the decalogue in Romans 7:7, Paul wrote these words, “Wherefore the law is holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good” (verse 12). Then he continued in verse 14, “For we know that the law is spiritual ...”

Take note of the "sabbath days" and not (Sabbath day). One with a big "S" and singular for day while the other the opposite. The one you mentioned is the one given by Moses eg, sabbath of blowing trumpets (Lev 23:24), sabbath of meats (where you mentioned) (Lev 23:16). These sabbaths were the ceremonial laws Paul referred to because they are the ones nailed to the cross, not the weekly Sabbath Day.

Did Jesus ever state observance of weekly sabbath as a prerequisite for salvation?

Do you realize that Circumcision occupied a similar pedestal and when some tried to weave it as a prerequisite for salvation Paul and others withstood and resisted them and such were even identified as false teachers!

Do you find Paul,Peter, James, John etc exhorting the brethren to also observe the sabbath as a proof of their new life in Christ? If there is ONE pls quote it here!

If none, why would they leave it out?

What did Jesus mean when HE said the sabbath was made for man?

Understand that your implication that no one should judge you.... or that the sabbath was nailed to the cross implies that the 10 commandments was nailed to the cross; which further implies that we can now sin freely.

My implication? But I did not write Colossians? Paul did ! And that by Inspiration.

I ascertain this because it is only the 10 commandments (moral law) that says we should not kill, not commit adultery, remember the Sabbath day and not the other one (ceremonial law). But you saying the Sabbath day is not effective (of the 10 commandments) means there is a bias. You hold stealing as a sin, dishonouring parents, killing, adultery as sins but not the 4th commandments. Then something shows that it is to proper.

Just as we did not get saved by keeping the 10 commandments but when we get saved, the righteousness it reveals is fulfilled practically in us as we walk in the Spirit. Can you identify how the command on sabbath is fulfilled? Why is it that when Paul identified the works of the flesh, list of sins, we see acts that contradict the various moral commandments but which sin/work of the flesh contradicts the sabbath observance?

Paul, by the Spirit's inspiration, wrote that

THE TEN COMMANDMENTS IN HEAVEN
Perhaps we should ask right at this point, what is the significance of the tables of God’s law being placed inside the ark of the covenant?Remember that this spot was the most holy on the earth because it represented God’s throne. God had said, “there I will meet with thee, and I will commune with thee from above the mercy seat, from between the cherubims” (Exodus 25:22). Below that shekinah glory, symbolizing the presence of God, lay that holy law by which sin was to be defined. And there, as we know from the Scriptures, Jesus, our High Priest, was to plead His blood for sinners.

But in the New testament, we are not just the Ark, we are the Temple! What Then?

Hebrews 4:8 For if Jesus had given them rest, then would he not afterward have spoken of another day. 4:9 There remaineth therefore a rest to the people of God. 4:10 For he that is entered into his rest, he also hath ceased from his own works, as God did from his. 4:11 Let us labour therefore to enter into that rest, lest any man fall after the same example of unbelief.

I hope you know that Sabbath = Rest ?

Rest accessed and synonymous to Faith = Without believing, we have no access to the Grace of God; if we entered in but draw back from faith, we are cut off from the Vine! This is the Substance!

thorpido:
I didn't say just 'believing' in God.It is actually accepting that Jesus Christ died,was buried and raised from the dead for your salvation.Not everyone believes that and certainly not devils.
Accepting the works of Christ is what sows that love in you because that work of Christ was sown in love.
The commandment is love.

Then how can we love GOD with all our heart, soul and mind? What commandments did Jesus advice us to keep in John 14:15 to show that we love GOD?

"Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil. For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled. Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach
men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach them, the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven." Matt. 5:17-19

What have you to say about these verses? And why is it that of all the commandments of GOD, the 4th one has been chosen for constant attack? At what point did GOD cancel the Seventh-day Sabbath and command us to disregard it? And what do you have to say about this verse: "The works of His hands are verity and Judgement; all His commandments are sure. THEY STAND FAST FOREVER AND EVER, and are done in truth and uprightness" Psa. 111:7-8? Do you think the Bible was joking?

These questions are begging for answers.