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Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Toks2008(m): 8:35am On Feb 21, 2016 |
[quote author=promise10 post=42883430][/quote] Please i beg of you,don't try this ever again. This thread is not about condemning any religion but its about having a healthy understanding of christ sacrifice. I beg of you,don't let this repeat itself because everyone has the right to his beliefs. Thanks. |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by kingviny: 10:12am On Feb 21, 2016 |
Jesus died by OUR sin and not FOR our sin. Thou shall not kill so says the Lord... (or is that commandment selective?) Jesus death was a murderous crime commited by the Jewish leadership of His time. They said His blood (death) should be upon them and upon their generations. Hithler masacred 6 million Jews about 2,000 years later. They even did not have a country of their own until 1948 and even uptil now, they have not known peace. Do you still think Jesus death was proper with the gloomy but just fate of the Jews hitherto? The parable of the husbandmen says it all. The owner of the vineyard is God. The servants sent severally to collect rent are the prophets, the vineyard is this earth and the wicked workers are the evil people on this earth. The beloved heir that was murdered by the wicked workers is non other than Jesus. Did that parable by Jesus vindicate the wicked workers, the Father of the Prince certainly would have sent his soldiers to kill all of them! God's angels are coming to do the same in the soon to commence apocalypse. Forget about the lies you have been told in the past Toks, your spirit knows the thruth and you are a very intelligent man, your thread's topic says it all. Even in our traditional setting, if a village offend their god, is it the god that sacrifices or the people? That sad day when He was murdered, the elements revolted, there was earthquake etc even the curtain protecting the ark of covenant was torn into two as a sign of disapproval. Had our Lord not pleaded with His Father to tamper justice with mercy on the cross under an unimaginable pain, the earth would have been destroyed by the angels. However, His sacrifice to face death in the face of freedom if only He would have renounced the teachings He brought to liberate mankind from spiritual darkness and to deny His origin is the more reason why we should value His mission. The Love of God personified indeed showed love to the very last. Follow Jesus teachings in spirit and every mystery will be clear irrespective of what the author of Leviticus etc might have written. Only the master is perfect, the servants are not so dont take their word as the absolute truth. |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Maamin(m): 11:37am On Feb 21, 2016 |
I just find it remarkable a man pulled from a vagina attached to an umbilical cord for sustenance is considered a God , and/or worthy of worship. We are talking about a man who ate food and used the bathroom. Sadly enough you dont even know the creator |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 1:59pm On Feb 21, 2016 |
I wonder why people is quoting and believing in Koran that was writing by Black jesuit pope that doctored the bible to get back to Rome for sending him to exile in Saudi Arabia. |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by CHARLOE(m): 2:26pm On Feb 21, 2016 |
kevoh:Gbam! u just hit dnail on d head. xtianity n islam thrive on fear, hope & gullibility. 2 Likes |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 4:21pm On Feb 21, 2016 |
Toks2008:nice try, but sorry sir, this claim has been sent to the wastebin long long ago, below is a comprehensive thread refuting this claim of yours http://nairaland.com/2236722/quran-says-jesus-died-explanation i hope after perusing that thread, you will agree with me that muslims dont believe in what you said. 1 Like |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Newnas(m): 9:51pm On Feb 21, 2016 |
Toks2008: As far as Islam is concerned, the condition for forgiveness of sins is your repentance. As for the slaughtering of animals then it's just one of many acts of worship that we do. And it's not even a condition for salvation in Islam! and that's why anyone who doesn't have the means to purchase a ram is exempted just like someone who has no money for hajj. I don't know how you people even reason sef, and that's if you ever do. Mumu, many other criminals - before and after - that slowpoke -not christ- that have been crucified on the cross and subjected to equal and even greater torments. Because they didn't have noise makers like paul the criminal!!! 3 Likes |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by ruffyola(m): 11:50am On Feb 22, 2016 |
Toks2008:Jesus saying peace be upon me the day I was born , the day I shall die and the day I'll be resurrected, does not mean that he died and rise cos Yahya(john the Baptist) said same and nobody ever said he died and rise. And mind u Islam never agreed that Jesus was even crucified let alone being dead or even rising. 1 Like |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Newnas(m): 2:48pm On Feb 22, 2016 |
ruffyola: Exactly. The word tawaffa in Arabic means to take a person's soul. However, in the context of the Quran, it can also mean to 'cause to sleep'. like Allah described in Surah Zumar that "Allah 'ya-tawaffa' the souls at the time of their death and the one that does die during its sleep" So He uses the same tawaffa for both the dead and sleeping. And Allah expressly states in another part of the Quran that "and they didn't kill him nor did they crucify him rather it was mad ambiguous to them... " and that's why till today the Christians are in confusion and uncertainty regarding their religion. 1 Like |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Toks2008(m): 7:55am On Feb 28, 2016 |
Lalasticlala i guess you should consider this. |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 7:58am On Feb 28, 2016 |
Toks2008:Sincerely speaking, this wont make fp, a thread that is from the religious forum doesnt make fp when it attacks other's faith, btw did you check that thread? if yes, what did you find? 1 Like |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Toks2008(m): 8:54am On Feb 28, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: Attack? how? Please explain why you think it is against another faith cos as the writer i dont think so but on the contrary i must say i respect the maturity of the discussants here which is why i believe lalasticlala should consider it for a larger view. |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 9:52am On Feb 28, 2016 |
Toks2008:Well, maybe unknowningly, you attacked islam by trying to take some verses out of context, like the issue of animal sacrifice, although i see that my brother has explained it to you. talking of being civil, some of your brothers here havent been that civil, either ways this wont make fp, when next you want to share your thoughts about religion on NL, it should solely be a christian thing, islam or any other faith shouldnt be involved, my suggestion though. |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Toks2008(m): 10:01am On Feb 28, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: Its quite unfortunate that in this 21st century we still allow religious sentiments to come in between doctrinal tolerance.... I guess that is the beauty of this thread...my muslim brothers came in and expressed their views making me to understand better the quoted reference which makes it more educating. Too sad that in real intellectual social interactive fora,this is a topic that will gladly be up for discuss. Anyways i have removed the quotations from the quran. Lalasticlala has his discretionary powers tho. |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 10:29am On Feb 28, 2016 |
Toks2008:Sincerely, we are just but human, and sentiments are bound to come in, maybe you've not been so active on the religion forum, your fellow xtians here always look for the slightest opportunity to vilify islam, when i say this Annunaki comes to mind, e.g you saw how promise10 insulted me, there is one other sadist true2god and one tribalist pneumaticos he sees nothing good in yoruba muslims, there is one agan gimakon(m) a.k.a ari3l(f), some even go as far as claiming to be atheists just to vilify islam, blackfire is one of them, so its nothing personal, if topics like yours that involved islam doesnt make fp. |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 11:11am On Feb 28, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: Shut up! What's your P? Don't fucking call my name for very stupíd talks here. Face who talks to you, you don't like how we sound and talk then talk to your ISIS thinking imams. Who wants a religion where he / she would be victimized? |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 11:13am On Feb 28, 2016 |
gimakon:Toks2008, you see what i'm saying? they are never civil. |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 11:22am On Feb 28, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: You civil? Spare me that, tell that to Plappville |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 11:41am On Feb 28, 2016 |
gimakon:why do you also use this moniker, ari3l, to deceive? |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 12:40pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: I am Not Ariel or whoever, I am Gimakon. ; D Pains you that She told you the truth last time.lol |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 1:02pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
gimakon:what truth? how did gimakon know? gimakon was not in the thread where ari3l was trolling, ari3l talked about me and plappville, you also talked about me and plappville, but ari3l and gimakon werent in that thread where we both were uncivil, how is that possible? its very ironical, dont you think? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 1:34pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: So I don't read. To your blindness, I don't understand English? This one I type is what? Russian? I don't speak English yeh? Keep posting very annoying and pointless threads. Seems you don't have anything doing |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 1:54pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
gimakon:sorry ehn, you've been busted. 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by eitsei(m): 1:59pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
Toks2008:we believe in Jesus(pbuh) as a prophet sent by Allah (God) to mankind just as he sent Muhammad (pbuh) but didn't believe in his death cos he didn't die as Allah made him rise to heaven on d day they planned to crucify him... Check the Quran very well, Quran never said Jesus died or rose up after three days but confirmed he performed miracles and he is not only one to have done that, moses(Musa), Abraham (Ibrahim), Ishmael(Ismaeel) and Muhammad and all other prophets too (peace and blessings be upon all of them) also performed miracles and wonders 1 Like |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 3:27pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: Lol busted my foot. I don't know ari3l. I only talk she sees me, and you say... Lol |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 3:36pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: Say the crap you Wonna, your religion is super blood thirsty and thats why u get these attacks from people, not just me, say I'm not civil, it's your headache. I don't have apologies for any action you get from these fellows neither am I responsible for any of them. And for the records I'm not ari3l, she's reading everything, just like I read earlier and kept quiet, she's doing the same. |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Blackfire(m): 4:05pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: i can see your backward- reading -arabic- brain is in comatose. I am an atheist like Ali sina, wafa sultan, and whole lots who expose the fraud Islam;mohamed and Allah. Keep your frustration to yourself.. 1 Like |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by unphilaz(m): 4:55pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
kevoh: That is why its damn foolishness and that is How God chose the foolishness of the cross to hide His glory... by the way does simply believing in His sacrifice make you puke and nuke ya self away to smiderings, nope! |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 5:42pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
gimakon:And its also funny that whenever ari3l talks in the programming section, what will end it is, "gimacon taught me how to do this" or "he taught me how to do that". hey you just said you dont know ari3l didnt you? |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Nobody: 7:16pm On Feb 28, 2016 |
lexiconkabir: See frustration Biko nu I'm a programmer with several years of experience, I teach people and I post tutorials here on nairaland and people send me emails to get thier job done for them, na em you day police me. You go soon die o If na gimakon you day look, continue looking at me no go get job way you go day do, tomorrow when you see me in business section showing a new car, you go day beef me. Your islam don do you, you no know left from right, continue to look gimakon, you and Ibrahim go soon day contest who old pass. |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Toks2008(m): 8:13am On Oct 16, 2016 |
. on:. Lol! easy abeg |
Re: The senselessness of Christ crucifixion. by Toks2008(m): 8:15am On Oct 16, 2016 |
Lalasticlala i will be exceptionally glad if this can be made more public |
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