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| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by 989900: 5:32pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
jayloms:Not printed; substituted (if the gov't has the equivalent they provide it's equivalent to the various entities). Crude is just a fraction of gov't's earnings, the gov't earns money locally too. I explained it on another thread I'd look for it once I return. It doesn't mean they don't print though when needed. |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by jayloms: 5:37pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
989900:Please do Sir. I'll be looking forward to your mention on this. Many thanks for clearing that up. |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by seunmsg(op): 5:39pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
Activa:Exporters have the choice to receive their earnings either in dollars or in Naira I want to believe. If that's the case, why should CBN be the sole decider of how federal, state and local governments receive their revenue? Why can't we try Boyo's idea of dollar certificate? To me, I think his idea is worth trying. It can even help curb corruption to a certain extent. We will have a situation where dollars will be chasing the naira and CBN will settle any dollar requirement of state government on their behalf. |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by sam90s(m): 5:47pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
jayloms:Interesting. |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by 989900: 5:52pm On Feb 29, 2016*. Modified: 9:17am On Mar 01, 2016 |
jayloms: Dollar certificates in-lieu of cash (currency which was done in the said 2008 example) is to check racketeering. So, if states need to get anything with forex, they tender their dollar certs or vouchers (in appropriate value from their normal monthly allocation) to the CBN for processing. Meanwhile, thru all this, no Naira is substituted for dollar causing excess liquidity, which the CBN later has to mop up by borrowing money it does not need at high interest rates from the banks. It reduces states, MDAs, or any arm of government having billions or millions of Naira to be looking for dollars. It eliminates a lot of fraud, racketeering, profiteering, and sharp practices between the FG, States, CBN, and Banks -- so they don't like the idea!!! So we pay for it! And they want us to believe we solely and the fall in oil prices are the forex' problem -- not the imported fuel, not their criminal policies. Importers cannot get the dollar certs, only goverment. However, the Naira, importers, and everyone wins, because the Naira will appreciate -- less pressure/demand from monthly chase of dollars by government establishments! The uncontrolled or unregulated demand for dollars by gov't arms which contributes to scarcity of dollars, thereby, driving prices high, would have been better controlled by the said dollar certs or vouchers. It helps the CBN's reserves too sorta. In some other sense (though minute), you could liken it to every salary account holder with commercial banks, withdrawing all their salary at once -- but we have cheque books, and withdraw in batches. Kindly go thru the links below there's a lot more . . .kinda busy . . . BRB. https://www.nairaland.com/2944595/what-exactly-go-wrong-cbn/1 https://www.nairaland.com/844884/solution-fuel-subsidy-wahala-look Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/08/much-talk-dollar-certificates/ http://thenationonlineng.net/counting-cost-of-treasury-single-account/ |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by Nobody: 6:00pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
seunmsg:1. Exporters today either use their usd for eligible imports or receive the naira equivalent at the official rate. 2. States don't need dollar certificates. They can open dom accts and be treated like exporters. 3. But you see, states hardly spend in usd. Their expenditure is largely in naira. 4. The main gist of Boyo's idea, as I explained earlier, is exchange rate flexibility or, if you want, a depreciation of the naira. 5. The current system whereby cbn is in charge of all usd receipts is what is preventing the scenario in 4 above. |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by tunene66: 6:01pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
seunmsg:I sincerely appreciate the article, I believe we are between two 'evils' - devaluation or status quo. To me, there is no one way solution to this matter. We should recognise that we have a low manufacturing/industrial base, we are a highly import dependent country (even depending on imported PMS) and finally the price of our main foreign exchange earner is not subject to our control with short/medium term projections indicating a price of between US$30 to 35 per barrel (making a 15% short of our 2016 oil receipt estimate assuming production/exportation targets are attained.) so the way forward 1. Govt should drastically reduce its high spending (Leadership is by example) 2. Appropriate fiscal policies need to be put in place, with milestone goals to reduce our reliance on rice sugar and wheat imports (within the next one year) 3. diversification of electric power supply source from oil and gas 4. Part privatisation of NNPC n outright sale of our refineries subject to a transparent and open bidding together process 5. Infrastructural development together with a massive agricultural programme The proposed summit on the economy should be open to all and closed to none Ultimately we will weather the storm GOD bless Nigeria |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by Nobody: 6:05pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
jayloms:The cbn doesn't NEED to print dollars to give to states and the FG. There's enough naira to do this. The banks (from their importing customers) provide the naira with which the cbn credits the federation account owners. Boyo bungled this. |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by Nobody: 6:09pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
989900:Please explain how this happens step by step. How can there be excess liquidity when what the cbn is doing is to simply use the naira from importers to credit the states? |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by dboss444: 6:37pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
Let me mention those that were in support of devaluation Soludo Oby ezekwesili Sanusi lamido sanusi So many nairalanders even called the cbn governor an enemy of the country sabotaging buhari administration. I thank God you pple have received sense. |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by Nobody: 6:45pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
989900:How exactly will it lead to naira's appreciation? It's a zero sum game. The dollar that states would have access to is what importers would no longer have access to. |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by ofwest: 6:48pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
Any attempt to devalue the naira to say #300 to the dollar will jump up saabo market value to like 500-600 to a dollar so PMB should resist any attempt by the emf to turn our naira to toilet roll |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by 989900: 6:52pm On Feb 29, 2016*. Modified: 8:20pm On Mar 01, 2016 |
Activa:Kindly read again pls. And it does not have anything to do with importers. And go thru the links too. |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by 989900: 7:07pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
Activa:The CBN makes Naira too from other sources (internally); crude oil is roughly 50 -70% of government revenues depending on exchange rate, price of crude and e.t.c. BTW, too much either ignorant or diversionary emphasis is placed on general import commodity as the bane of the Naira. Refined petroleum products single-handedly accounts for roughly 40% of our forex demands! Another 30%-40% for other intangibles and technical (whatever that means), and roughly 20% for tangibles ordered by the masses, and government. We need to stop importing refined pet products ASAP! https://www.nairaland.com/844884/solution-fuel-subsidy-wahala-look Read more at: http://www.vanguardngr.com/2014/08/much-talk-dollar-certificates/ |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by 989900: 7:47pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
Activa:Gov't DO NEED Forex -- each arm of gov't does a lot of importation, foreign debt servicing, training, travel, sponsorships, scholarships; now multiply that by 36 states by 774 local governments, and MDA's. Open dorm accounts? No, it doesn't work that way: some of the dollars we'r talking about here are virtual, and it helps the economy better if those funds are part of the reserve (to be accessed when needed appropriately), in-lieu of sitting in some commercial bank (which is actually kinda hard to do with the present CBN rules). The dollar cert. helps with accountability and checkmating malfeasance too. |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by bbjummy: 9:38pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
I SAY NO TO DEVALUATION OF THE NAIRA TOO! |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by mank1234(m): 10:31pm On Feb 29, 2016*. Modified: 11:08pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
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| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by mbhs139(m): 11:09pm On Feb 29, 2016 |
bellyjean:If you look at the bold parts of your comment very well, you will the sense I'm trying to make out of it, that if the non-interest banking had been encouraged, they would've taken care of all the points you raised there. Because in the non-interest banking model, there's month room for laziness, no moral harzard, and banks are supposed to be out there helping the real sector in an arrangement called mudarobah - risk and profit sharing. |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by grandstar(m): 12:23am On Mar 01, 2016 |
Bevista:dollar certs and not actual dollars |
| Re: Devaluation: IMF Versus Buhari - Henry Boyo by Almajiri1: 8:50pm On May 13, 2016 |
Bump and grind.... |
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