Analysis of the Russian military pullout from Syria


March 14, 2016

Vladimir Putin has just ordered the withdrawal of the Russian forces in Syria:

“I consider the objectives that have been set for the Defense Ministry to be generally accomplished. That is why I order to start withdrawal of the main part of our military group from the territory of the Syrian Arab Republic starting from tomorrow,” Putin said on Monday during a meeting with Shoigu and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov.
“In a short period of time Russia has created a small but very effective military group in Syria. The effective work of our military forces allowed the peace process to begin,” Putin said, adding that “Russian government troops and [Syria’s] patriotic forces have changed the situation in the fight with international terrorism and have ceased the initiative.”
The first question which needs to be asked is whether this is correct: have the Russians achieved their objective or not? To answer this question, we need to look at what the initial Russian objectives were. I did that in my article “Week Thirteen of the Russian Intervention in Syria: debunking the lies” where I wrote: (emphasis added)

The key issue here is what criteria to use to measure “success”. And that, in turns, begs the question of what the Russians had hoped to achieve with their intervention in the first place. It turns out that Putin clearly and officially spelled out what the purpose of the Russian intervention was. On October 11th, he declared the following in an interview with Vladimir Soloviev on the TV channel Russia 1:
Our objective is to stabilize the legitimate authority and create conditions for a political compromise
That’s it. He did not say that Russia would single-handedly change the course of the war, much less so win the war. And while some saw the Russian intervention as a total “game changer” which would mark the end of Daesh, I never believed that. Here is what I wrote exactly one day before Putin make the statement above:
Make no mistake here, the Russian force in Syria is a small one, at least for the time being, and it does not even remotely resemble what the rumors had predicted (…) There is no way that the very limited Russian intervention can really change the tide of the war, at least not by itself. Yes, I do insist that the Russian intervention is a very limited one. 12 SU-24M, 12 SU-25SM, 6 SU-34 and 4 SU-30SM are not a big force, not even backed by helicopters and cruise missiles. Yes, the Russian force has been very effective to relieve the pressure on the northwestern front and to allow for a Syrian Army counter-offensive, but that will not, by itself, end the war.
I was harshly criticized at that time for “minimizing” the scope and potential of the Russian operation, but I chose to ignore these criticisms since I knew that time would prove me right.
Today’s declaration finally puts to rest the “most anticipated showdown” and other “game changer” theories. At least I hope so :-)


The Russian intervention is a stunning success, that is indisputable. Vladimir Putin and the Russian military ought to be particularly praised for having set goals fully commensurate with their real capabilities.
The Russians went in with a small force and they achieved limited goals: the legitimate authority of the Syrian government has been stabilized and the conditions for a political compromise have been created. That is not an opinion, but the facts on the ground. Not even the worst Putin-haters can dispute that. Today’s declaration shows that the Russians are also sticking to their initial exit strategy and are now confident enough to withdraw their forces. That is nothing short of superb (when is the last time the USA did that?).

Still, this leaves many unanswered questions.

A partition of Syria?

By withdrawing their forces the Russians could be giving the signal to the USA that they are free to have their “little victorious war” against Daesh. But this could also be a trap. If you consider the complete failure of the US military in Afghanistan and Iraq, you could wonder why they would suddenly do so much better in Syria, especially considering that besides Daesh they might also come face to face with Iranians and Hezbollah fighters. Furthermore, unlike the Russian Aerospace forces, the Americans will be committing ground forces and these have a much bigger tendency to get bogged down in long counter-insurgency operations. If I was a US military advisor I would caution my commanders against a ground operation in Syria even if the Russians are gone.

Still, what if the Americans are successful? After all, Daesh has taken a bad beating any maybe they can be at least pushed out of Raqqa? Maybe. But if that happens then the question will become whether the Americans will try to achieve a de facto partition of Syria (de jure they cannot, since a UNSC Resolution specifically called for a unitary state).

Partitioning Syria has been, and still is, the longterm Israeli goal. Considering the immense power of the Neocons today (nevermind a Hillary Presidency!) the chances that the US will be trying to partition Syria are immense.

And what if the Americans either fail or don’t even take the bait and stay out of Syria? Does the Russian withdrawal not risk leaving eastern Syria in Daesh hands? Would that not be just another de facto partition of the country? Maybe. Again, this is a real risk.

Finally, if the Turks and their Saudi allies do invade, that would almost certainly result in a partition of Syria as it is doubtful that the Syrian government could take on Daesh and Turkey and the Saudis at the same time. Iran, of course, might, but this would result in a major escalation threatening the entire region.

I think that the risk of a partition of Syria is, alas, very real. However, that being said, I would like to remind everybody that Russia does not have any moral or legal obligation to single-handedly preserve the territorial integrity of Syria. In purely legal terms, this is an obligation of every single country on earth (because of the UN Charter and the recent UNSC Resolution) and in moral terms, this is first and foremost the obligation of the Syrian people themselves. I think that it would be praiseworthy for Russia to do everything she can to prevent a partition of Syria,and I am confident that Russia will do her utmost, but that does not mean that this is a Russian obligation.

Future Russian options and operations?

I want to draw your attention to the following words by Putin: “I consider the objectives that have been set for the Defense Ministry to be generally accomplished“. For those unfamiliar with the context (evaluation of a military operation) this might sound like a total approval. It is not. In Russian military terminology “generally accomplished” is better than “satisfactory” and roughly equivalent to “good” but not “excellent”. Putin is not saying that the performance of the Russian forces was less than perfect, but what he is saying is that the goals set out initially have not been fully/perfectly reached. In other words, this leaves the door open for a “objectives completion” operation.

The second interesting moment in today’s statement is that Putin added that “to control the observation of ceasefire agreements in the region, Moscow will keep its Khmeimim airbase in Latakia province and a base at the port of Tartus“.

To me the combination of these two statements points to the high probability that the Russians are keeping their options open. First, they will continue to supply the Syrians with hardware, training, intelligence and special operations and, second, they will retain the option of using military power if/when needed. Not only will Russia retain the capability to strike from the Caspian, the Mediterranean or with her long-range bombers, but she is likely to leave enough pre-positioned supplies and personnel in Tartus, Khmeimim and elsewhere in Syria to be ready to intervene at very short notice (say in case of a Turkish attack towards Latakia, for example).

Finally, I am confident that when speaking to the (newly created) “moderate opposition” the Russians will carefully but regularly drop hints about the need to achieve a negotiated agreement with the Syrian government “lest the war resume again with a new intensity” (or something along these lines). Keep in mind that, unlike their US counterparts, the Russian diplomats and intelligence officers truly understand their counterparts, not only because they are fluent in the local languages and understand the culture, but because the single important quality expected from a Russian diplomat or intelligence officer is the ability to understand the real, profound, motives of the person you are speaking to, to put yourself into his/her shoes. I have had enough personal experience with Russian diplomats and intelligence officers to be sure that they are already patiently talking to all the key figures in positions of power inside the so-called “moderate resistance” to maximize the stake each one of them might have in a negotiated solution. Oh sure, there will be beautiful speeches in the plenary meetings and conferences, but they key effort will be made in informal conversations happening in restaurants, back-rooms and various hotels where the Russians will make darn sure they convey to their interlocutors that he/she have a very personal interest in a successful negotiation. There will be a lot of bargaining involving promises and hinted threats and while some will, of course, resist such “gentle pressures”, the cumulative effect of such informal meetings will be crucial. And if that means preparing 500 different approaches and negotiation techniques for 500 different contacts, the Russians will put the manpower, time and effort to make it happen.

Evaluation

It is way too early right now to give a categorical evaluation of the timing and consequences of the Russian withdrawal from Syria. Let us also keep in mind that there is a lot we don’t know. What we do know is that Sergei Lavrov has had an absolutely crazy schedule over the past month or so and that Russian diplomats have been holding intense negotiations with all the regional powers. I am confident that the Russians planned their withdrawal at least as carefully as the planned their intervention and that they have left as many open options as possible. By the way, the big advantage of a unilateral decision is that, unlike one taken as part of an agreement with other parties, it can be unilaterally rescinded too. It took the Russian just days to launch their initial operation even though they had to execute it all in difficult conditions and under the cloak of secrecy. How long would it take them to move back into Syria if needed?

When all is said and done, I simply trust Vladimir Putin. No, no just because I am a Putin fanboy (which, of course, I am!), but because of his record of being right and taking difficult, even risky, decisions which eventually yielded Russia yet another unforeseen success.]

Like any good chess player, Putin knows that one of the key factors in any war is time and so far Putin has timed his every move superbly. Yes, there were times in the past when I got really worried about what looked to me as either too much waiting or as dangerous risk-taking, but every single time my fears ended up being unfounded. And yes, I can easily muster up a long list of potentially catastrophic scenarios for Syria, but I think that this would only make sense if Putin had, like Obama, a long and impressive list of failures, disasters, miscalculations and embarrassing defeats on his record. But he does not. In fact, what I see is an amazing list of successes achieved against very difficult odds. And they key to Putin’s success might well be that he is a hardcore realist.

Russia is still weak. Yes, she is stronger than in the past and she is rising up very fast, but she still is weak, especially in comparison to the still immense AngloZionist Empire whose resources simply dwarf Russia’s in most categories. However, this comparative weakness also forces the Kremlin to be very careful. When an empire is rich and powerful being arrogant and over-estimating your own capabilities is not nearly as bad as when a much weaker country does it. Just look at the USA under Obama: they went from one humiliating and costly defeat to another – yet they are still here and still powerful, almost as powerful as they used to be 10 years ago. While in the long run the kind of hubris and gross incompetence we nowadays observe in US decision-makers will result in the inevitable collapse of the Empire, in the medium to short term there is no truly painful price to pay for failure. Just one example: just think of the US military interventions in Afghanistan and Iraq. They are absolute and total failures, abject disasters of incalculable magnitude. They will go down in history as amongst the worst foreign policy failures ever. And yet, walking around in downtown New York or San Fransisco you would never think that you are visiting a country which just lost two major and long wars.

Russia does not have such a “luxury of power”, she has to make every bit count and she has to plan each move with utmost precision. Just like a tightrope walker with no safety harness, Putin knows that a single misstep can have catastrophic consequences.

To withdraw the bulk of the Russian military task force in Syria right now is a gutsy and potentially risky move for sure, but I am confident that it is also the right one. But only time will tell if my confidence is warranted or not.

The Saker

NairaMinted:


While we also console ourselves with what Saudi Arabia and co are doing in Yemen; Turkey to Kurds and in their cities like in Cizre for example; what Israel is doing in Gaza and the West Bank; what the US and co did in Iraq, Libya, Afghanistan and countless other countries; etc

Let's also console ourselves

And what exactly is Israel doing in Gaza?

Last I checked Israel has a right to protect it's borders from being encroached by terrorists which she will continue doing till the anti-Israel incitements are ended.

How to know you have your head far up putin's asz

* refuse to acknowledge Russia reason for Intervention was to protect Assad initially and accept his narrative of going to fight ISIS


* Dismiss any claim Russia was not bombing ISIS enough as propaganda

* Turn around and celebrate Russia's withdrawal as a successes for stabilising assad ( a theory you dismissed earlier) without the total defeat of ISIS

Crankery is a disease

I wouldn't say I anticipated the withdrawal but I knew sooner or later Russia would have to sit down at the round table with the US and others.

One thing remains,the West stands on an Assad exit.I believe now they've toned it down to striking an agreement with Russia that would see Assad voluntarily leave power in a space of years maybe two,three or four.Assad's stay in power might be used as the levelling field against ISIS,Assad may remain just until Daesh is ultimately defeated and Syria has reached a point of stability for governance.

Probably if the West ha pursued this earlier,there won't be so many crisis in Syria today.

It is worthy of note that the only reason why the United States refused to invade Syria is because of global projections due to it's past records.As the world's Super power they have to be seen as the guardian of peace and not the escalator.Seeing that Syria would not be stable without the right leradership which the US would not be able to guarantee,they refrained but instead they gave support to Syrians who wanted a regime change,if the moderate rebels had over run Assad's forces and ousted him,the eventuality of leadership in Syria would not see a negative impact on the United States as they would not be held to any actions taken or not taken.

Russia has weighed the coin and they understand the consequences that awaits any mistake on their part,hence they take the easy way out while still lending their voice to the issue.I think that's wise and respectable for them to have done.

bonechamberlain:
a very tactical decision. when u achieve a military mission pull out before it wears ur military(art of war). that's why the u.s always fail in all their phony wars. remember Russia still has their naval ports and air base, so they can come back anytime they are needed, no need to remain in Syria, the Syrian army can takeover.

Putin has kept on outsmarting the u.s, am sure Washington wants Russia to stay in Syria longer which in turn takes away Russia's eye from the tricky game of NATO in Europe, but Putin understands that better. look at the way Putin has handled the Syrian issue with calm and tact, it would also be a shock to the u.s, as they expected Putin to be more aggressive. u have to give it to Putin.

So much sense! The house of Anarchy are finding it hard to keep tabs on Putin's every move. They just can't comprehend it. The terrain is now steady, and Assad's position cemented for the time being. That's why paliamentary elections would be taking place next month. The terrorists , so-called ''moderates'', can't negotiate from any position of strenght. The Russian intervention has made it clear - having restored Assad to the status quo. Now, i don't see why people should be disappointed with this move. Infact, as much as the hegemon and it's cronies are concerned, a Russian withdrawal could be much worse than a contineous presence In Syria. This is because:

1. The withdrawal underscores a de jure victory for the Russian side in both political and military terms.
Militarily, it has enabled the Russians to bamboozed their russophobic and myopic military planners, analysts and geopolitical strategist counterparts in the west coast: by their rapid deployment and showcasing capabilities previously unknown; and as well dislodged the silly prevailing wisdom in the west on the inferiority of Russia's capabilities - consequently opening up the shallow minds of the deluded pigmies from western institutes of zombie-ism, jolting them back to reality as they stare in awe and wonder with mouths agape and eyes bulging like google AdsenSe.

Politically, the withdrawal has tacitly and pragmatically underlined and denotes that Russia's commitment to a political solution to the Syrian debacle, is concrete, and is no longer in doubt before the very eyes of the international community. The ''burden of guilt and committal'' has now been shifted to the hegemon and its western partners in crime, whom must now prove to their people the propensity of their motives in lieu of terrorism and peace of the Syrian people. This is one quagmire the west never wanted to find themselves. Ask the Germans! Merkel is now losing regional elections, courtsey of the Syrian ''rapefugees.'' Borders are being closed in Macedonia and elsewhere. Frustration and suffocation on the already volatile EU and global economy is gradually threatening a tsunami of unprecedented economic turbulence. Adrenaline on the rise. So, they must now make a choice - continue with their sick policy of 'Assad must go', and risk further refugees implosion and possible revolts at home: or pitche tent with the Russians by fully commiting to the peace deal in Geneva, which is virtually on Russia's terms, with Assad as chief across the table; thereby accepting defacto defeat, while shamefully acquiescing to the fact that the policy to topple Assad was a foolish and stupid one from the word go! At this point, i can imagine how angry the hegemon and it's European cronies must be feeling right now. The chess master has left them caught up in the middle like a destitute in Michael Jackson's Stranger in Moscow. What a game!

2. The withdrawal notice parallels the 'clear-the-air notice delivered to the US earlier, with both carrying the element of ''shock'' entailing the successful ''entrance and exit from the Syrian dragon'', with the barest minimum of casualties, and yet, overwhelming accomplishment; all of which further showcase the Bear as the grand master of the geopolitical game, as it successfully out foxed, outwitted and outmaneuvered western diabolic designs for Syria.

3. Now this is the tricky part. If and only if by virtue of this withdrawal, the Syrian government is to be directly threatened by direct invasion, say by Turkey or Satan Arabia, the current withdrawal would further increase the legitimacy of the Russian excuse to defend Syria, on the ground that it provided for and created the necessary environment for peaceful settlement of Syria, and as such, any action that would be taken to the contrary, will provide the Russians to respond in massive and devastating proportions. This much is real in the sense that, while Putin has ordered a pull out of Syria, more significant increase in weaponry to Armenia, are been reported.

I smell Something!

Appleyard:


So much sense! The house of Anarchy are finding it hard to keep tabs on Putin's every move. They just can't comprehend it. The terrain is now steady, and Assad's position cemented for the time being. That's why paliamentary elections would be taking place next month. The terrorists , so-called ''moderates'', can't negotiate from any position of strenght. The Russian intervention has made it clear - having restored Assad to the status quo. Now, i don't see why people should be disappointed with this move. Infact, as much as the hegemon and it's cronies are concerned, a Russian withdrawal could be much worse than a contineous presence In Syria. This is because:

1. The withdrawal underscores a de jure victory for the Russian side in both political and military terms.
Militarily, it has enabled the Russians to bamboozed their russophobic and myopic military planners, analysts and geopolitical strategist counterparts in the west coast: by their rapid deployment and showcasing capabilities previously unknown; and as well dislodged the silly prevailing wisdom in the west on the inferiority of Russia's capabilities - consequently opening up the shallow minds of the deluded pigmies from western institutes of zombie-ism, jolting them back to reality as they stare in awe and wonder with mouths agape and eyes bulging like google AdsenSe.

Politically, the withdrawal has tacitly and pragmatically underlined and denotes that Russia's commitment to a political solution to the Syrian debacle, is concrete, and is no longer in doubt before the very eyes of the international community. The ''burden of guilt and committal'' has now been shifted to the hegemon and its western partners in crime, whom must now prove to their people the propensity of their motives in lieu of terrorism and peace of the Syrian people. This is one quagmire the west never wanted to find themselves. Ask the Germans! Merkel is now losing regional elections, courtsey of the Syrian ''rapefugees.'' Borders are being closed in Macedonia and elsewhere. Frustration and suffocation on the already volatile EU and global economy is gradually threatening a tsunami of unprecedented economic turbulence. Adrenaline on the rise. So, they must now make a choice - continue with their sick policy of 'Assad must go', and risk further refugees implosion and possible revolts at home: or pitche tent with the Russians by fully commiting to the peace deal in Geneva, which is virtually on Russia's terms, with Assad as chief across the table; thereby accepting defacto defeat, while shamefully acquiescing to the fact that the policy to topple Assad was a foolish and stupid one from the word go! At this point, i can imagine how angry the hegemon and it's European cronies must be feeling right now. The chess master has left them caught up in the middle like a destitute in Michael Jackson's Stranger in Moscow. What a game!

2. The withdrawal notice parallels the 'clear-the-air notice delivered to the US earlier, with both carrying the element of ''shock'' entailing the successful ''entrance and exit from the Syrian dragon'', with the barest minimum of casualties, and yet, overwhelming accomplishment; all of which further showcase the Bear as the grand master of the geopolitical game, as it successfully out foxed, outwitted and outmaneuvered western diabolic designs for Syria.

3. Now this is the tricky part. If and only if by virtue of this withdrawal, the Syrian government is to be directly threatened by direct invasion, say by Turkey or Satan Arabia, the current withdrawal would further increase the legitimacy of the Russian excuse to defend Syria, on the ground that it provided for and created the necessary environment for peaceful settlement of Syria, and as such, any action that would be taken to the contrary, will provide the Russians to respond in massive and devastating proportions. This much is real in the sense that, while Putin has ordered a pull out of Syria, more significant increase in weaponry to Armenia, are been reported.

I smell Something!

. on point...
"Satan Arabia" (very good description).

Putinbots won't cease to amaze me- at first it was about defeating ISIS and not propping up Assad, but when that narrative was heavily debunked and refuted by sound minds and Putin couldn't manage the war effectively he ran away like a coward that he is (Erdogan is saying hi to Putin). And now Putinbots are saying he pulled out after he's done restoring Assad's position. Putin can only deceive gullible Russians and Westerners alike but not sane and progressives with deep insight of things and great foresight.

Appleyard c'mon man be soft on the lies goddammit.I know you guys love to manipulate the truth but dude stop the blatant lie.

You claim the Geneva talks is virtually based on Russia term

Why would a round table be to the favor of one party or is it only Russia that would be at the Geneva talks?

Take it easy with lies please.Just like Nigeria,Russia has technically defeated ISIS

ValerianSteel:
Appleyard c'mon man be soft on the lies goddammit.I know you guys love to manipulate the truth but dude stop the blatant lie.

You claim the Geneva talks is virtually based on Russia term

Why would a round table be to the favor of one party or is it only Russia that would be at the Geneva talks?

Take it easy with lies please.Just like Nigeria,Russia has technically defeated ISIS

Enjoy the propaganda overdrive. Lying is what they do best.

Heavy heavy lies

Appleyard:


I smell Something!

Just the perfect timing to exist syria officially and to set a good example for peace to rain again after five years. If i was a terrorist like Missy89 and the rest, I would even be tired of destroying syria after 5 years and this happened. But I assume the likes of these terrorists are pure fantics. Those that will kill just to fck 77 virgins in heaven by the Zionist-wahhabi-alliance sponsored brainwash, demonization of Islam.

Again a stand-up ovation for putin. man of his words. He said it right from the begining that the russian military entering syria is for a short time.

now this is putin saying a and doing a..

Other than that, now left for Saudi crooks and turkey (anglozionist Empire) to play their cards of taking over the north of syria..
Which I think Russia will intervain again but this time at the right time again when that happens.

Remember in the recent past that Russia threatened to use Nukes to detter the invasion of Turkey and Saudi..

That is not a threat.. Russia already has the card to play.

So, i smell nothing other than this move will make the Neocons think, Oh Russians have run and now we can continue our Assad must go campaign..

Even though they know that won't happen except again if the Syrians elect someone else.. There was an election last time and Assad won..
I'm very sure, if Assad contest again he will win.


Russia studies everything with aim and Objectives. The aim so far now is to make Syria a unified s. state which I am sure Russia will do everything possible to keep syria one. Remember, there is no regime change therefore Syria can still be one..

Now, it's glaring that the uniting force in Syria is Russia and it has created the atmpshere for the forces to unit and fight the outlawed zionist terrorists.

Tkester2:



Definitely.

One clear thing is that Assad is not going any where, Putin just proved that. As for Raqqa and other provinces, Assad's military will take care of those ones.

you are right about 'Assad's military will take care of those ones.'.. assad military (Syrian Arab Army) was making huge advances in the past and each time those were reduced by Isreal flying in to bomb those advances.

Naturally Assad Forces have been in it for 5 years. What was missing in the setting is Airforce..

Russia studied everything before going in.. Russia provided what was missing. And im sure trained Assad forces more..

Besides, i am sure not all the armament will be leaving Syria...

For history to continue remaining on Russia's side. Russia created peace to rain.. That is solve your differences without the Notion that Assad must go. Yes, this has been purely external forces game..

The War against ISIS is truly technically won. The main source of oil has been cut off, also major supply roots have been cut off.

The rest is enough for Syrian army to take over.

Unlike what inhuman U.S did during japan.. After a techincally won situation like this was reached in Japan.. It decided to drop H bomb in two cities..


for what? To show off..

Missy89:





Enjoy the propaganda overdrive. Lying is what they do best.

Heavy heavy lies

On another thread Scully95 was bold to claim that Putin's divorce was how things should be done by a leader who has the cares of his people to worry about.

Imagine how far they are willing to go to defend their mediocrity.

Appleyard:


So much sense! The house of Anarchy .....
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Appleyard,

I wanted to reply much earlier but this darn SPAMbot banned me.
As always, well said. At this rate I just might recommend you to my superiors for a position with the Russian Foreign Ministry!



Meanwhile Andre Fomine explains what Putin meant by "objectives achieved" in Syria after 5 and a half months:

"9K flights, thousands of targets hit. 400 towns and over 10,000 square kilometres of territory liberated by the #SAA. Latakia completely freed, communications with Aleppo restored. Palmyra under siege, control over its oil and gas fields reestablished, most of the provinces of Hama and Homs cleared, Kweires airbase unblocked. Intra-Syrian talks in Geneva launched. Casualties: 3."

Now compare it with the Coalition of the Dodgy Opportunists (CDO).

Meanwhile in other related news, you can see how the de.generates that hold sway over the decadent, morally bankrupt West are taking this new bit of Houdini masterstroke from our brilliant - according to some - "Lord & paymaster", Putin.

"Mass murderer Putin; paedophile Putin; corrupt billionaire Putin; Putin the new Hitler, 'Putler' and now innuendos of domestic abuse in a attempt to disparage and discredit him. How did these sic.kos get into power by the way?

Seems to me some people are b*tt hurt or jealous - or a combination of the two.

And please enjoy the manner the awoken Western citizens (unfortunately can't say same for some geniuses on here in Nairaland) have responded to this latest propaganda fail.

These lo.sers really should just give it a rest nah! Ogini?

PS: pray for the lost ones here on Nairaland. Spiritual intervention is their only hope.

A lil something to entertaining yourself with:

Missy89:





Enjoy the propaganda overdrive. Lying is what they do best.

Heavy heavy lies

Mumu, point out one lie in the guy's posit.

Missy89:
How to know you have your head far up putin's asz

* refuse to acknowledge Russia reason for Intervention was to protect Assad initially and accept his narrative of going to fight ISIS

* Dismiss any claim Russia was not bombing ISIS enough as propaganda

* Turn around and celebrate Russia's withdrawal as a successes for stabilising assad ( a theory you dismissed earlier) without the total defeat of ISIS
Crankery is a disease

Monkey, and how to know you have your dick right inside vedaxcool ass...

* Refuse to accept that Russia won the war of geopolitics in Syria, and when you are confronted with hard facts, shout PROPAGANDA!

* Blame Russia for the human casualties in Syria, and exculpate the FSA backed by the CIA from all murderous atrocities committed in Syria.

* Believe that Russia's military hardware's are cold war relics, and that the Russian military can hardly quell a street fight, and when Russia fires 26 cruise missiles refuse to accept their technological prowess, instead console yourself with the lies that they fell inside kunduz hospital.

* Be chamelonic in nature... believe initially that Russia cannot save Assad from the FSA, but when Russia does (prove it strength), turn the narrative to mean that Russia's economy is tanking.

* Go by the nairaland monicker of missy89 or vedaxool.

Idiocy is a gift to some people.

ValerianSteel:
Appleyard c'mon man be soft on the lies goddammit.I know you guys love to manipulate the truth but dude stop the blatant lie.

You claim the Geneva talks is virtually based on Russia term

Why would a round table be to the favor of one party or is it only Russia that would be at the Geneva talks?

Take it easy with lies please.Just like Nigeria,Russia has technically defeated ISIS

Mumu, can't you comprehend? one thing I have noticed with some of you paid trolls is that comprehension is a burden to you. Are you doubting that the outcome of the round table meeting or negotiation will be in Putin's favour? if you believe that somehow the Geneva talks will go against Putin, then you may as well believe that a dog can birth a cow.

Putin won! he got all he wanted in Syria, just as he got all he wanted in the Minsk agreement. It will take any western leader 25 years to come to the level of Putin.

Butthurt crack pots are resurrecting dead news to save face

Vedaxcool, looks like another meltdown is on the horizon

Tkester2:



Mumu, can't you comprehend? one thing I have noticed with some of you paid trolls is that comprehension is a burden to you. Are you doubting that the outcome of the round table meeting or negotiation will be in Putin's favour? if you believe that somehow the Geneva talks will go against Putin, then you may as well believe that a dog can birth a cow.

Putin won! he got all he wanted in Syria, just as he got all he wanted in the Minsk agreement. It will take any western leader 25 years to come to the level of Putin.

This is madness.Good lawd You guys are so f***ing dumb.See them gloating about Russia winning,what did they win to even start with?

It surprises me how your brain is a ble to conceive the notion that a round table talks of several nations centers around one country who would supposedly say "Hey guys,this is what Russia wants and you must all agree".

Does that sound logical to you?I guess it does since you are drunk on Putin's shoe refiner.

If Russia could have its way with Syria why agree to a round table involving the world's super power and her allies who share opposing views to Russia's supposed objectives for Syria.Are the parties involved in the talks not expected to reach a unified agreement that would see a better Syria after all,the discussions are centered on Syria where Putin is not the President.

If you lack the proper brain thinking capacity,I'd advice you check yourself in to any trauma unit at the hospital

ValerianSteel:
This is madness.Good lawd You guys are so f***ing dumb.See them gloating about Russia winning,what did they win to even start with?

It surprises me how your brain is a ble to conceive the notion that a round table talks of several nations centers around one country who would supposedly say "Hey guys,this is what Russia wants and you must all agree".

Does that sound logical to you?I guess it does since you are drunk on Putin's shoe refiner.

If Russia could have its way with Syria why agree to a round table involving the world's super power and her allies who share opposing views to Russia's supposed objectives for Syria.Are the parties involved in the talks not expected to reach a unified agreement that would see a better Syria after all,the discussions are centered on Syria where Putin is not the President.

If you lack the proper brain thinking capacity,I'd advice you check yourself in to any trauma unit at the hospital

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ValerianSteel:
This is madness.Good lawd You guys are so f***ing dumb.See them gloating about Russia winning,what did they win to even start with?

It surprises me how your brain is a ble to conceive the notion that a round table talks of several nations centers around one country who would supposedly say "Hey guys,this is what Russia wants and you must all agree".

Does that sound logical to you?I guess it does since you are drunk on Putin's shoe refiner.

If Russia could have its way with Syria why agree to a round table involving the world's super power and her allies who share opposing views to Russia's supposed objectives for Syria.Are the parties involved in the talks not expected to reach a unified agreement that would see a better Syria after all,the discussions are centered on Syria where Putin is not the President.

If you lack the proper brain thinking capacity,I'd advice you check yourself in to any trauma unit at the hospital

Repeat after me, I Valeriansteel is an idio.t.

if you think the round table discussion will lead to the ouster of Assad, then you are a complete scumbag. And if you think nothing will come out of it or rather that it will not lead to Assad's ouster, then I can cal you an intelligent dwarf.

Missy89:
Butthurt crack pots are resurrecting dead news to save face

Vedaxcool, looks like another meltdown is on the horizon

Mumu, calling your gay partner is not going to save you.

Missy89:
Butthurt crack pots are resurrecting dead news to save face

Vedaxcool, looks like another meltdown is on the horizon

putin needs to really nuke turkey for the crack pots to get a grip.

refiner:



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My bad.Didn't mean to mention your username.I was talking about the liquid substance used to polish leather.

vedaxcool:


putin needs to really nuke turkey for the crack pots to get a grip.

Tkester2:



Repeat after me, I Valeriansteel is an idio.t.

if you think the round table discussion will lead to the ouster of Assad, then you are a complete scumbag. And if you think nothing will come out of it or rather that it will not lead to Assad's ouster, then I can cal you an intelligent dwarf.

My original post to this thread should quench your delusions.

It's not only fruitless with you,arguements with someon with a brain like yours causes mental friction to the brain and that's very unhealthy to intelligent folks which you and your programmed bots are not

ValerianSteel:
My original post to this thread should quench your delusions.

It's not only fruitless with you,arguements with someon with a brain like yours causes mental friction to the brain and that's very unhealthy to intelligent folks which you and your programmed bots are not

Epic, if you refer to your sorry and pathetic self as being intelligent, maybe the dictionary has to redefine foolishness, because for all I care calling you foolish is a big insult to foolish people.

Tkester2:



Epic, if you refer to your sorry and pathetic self as being intelligent, maybe the dictionary has to redefine foolishness, because for all I care calling you foolish is a big insult to foolish people.

At least foolish people deserve insults for their foolishness,perhaps they will desist from foolishness and be wise.

This is however a contrast to people without brains like you,people without brains are pitied upon and checked into psyche wards

Missy89:
How to know you have your head far up putin's asz

* refuse to acknowledge Russia reason for Intervention was to protect Assad initially and accept his narrative of going to fight ISIS


* Dismiss any claim Russia was not bombing ISIS enough as propaganda

* Turn around and celebrate Russia's withdrawal as a successes for stabilising assad ( a theory you dismissed earlier) without the total defeat of ISIS

Crankery is a disease

this sums up the problems lovers of Russia foreign. Self deceit!