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Lawsimon:
like so many Nigerians i am not suprise by the recent killings in Rivers state,because i believe the Supreme court by it ruling in the last Governorship election case in Rivers affirmed the win at all cost syndrome in our election process, an election which was condemned by the international observers,which more than ten people lost their life and also witness ballot box snatching and kidnapping could not have been free and fair. The supreme court have endorse violence in our electoral process, Rivers case is just the beginning. Mode lets move it to perm site

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Olodo you forgot the appeal court and that tribunal abi election whatever is there name

sweetgala:
INEC have legal backing on the CR, it states in the Constitution INEC have the authority to declare the standards by which an election would be conducted this to the legal understanding of the bodies includes the design of an accreditation device to weed out illegal voting, ballot box stuffing etc

I beleive if APC lead Senate have an iota of decency the next deliberation before Edo state election should be change in the Constitution to ammend those areas that give a technical advantage to fraudulent lawyers and their election abusing clients

the killings in rivers cant equate the killings that happened in kano after d 2015 election where the resident electoral officer n his entire household including goats, chicken, cockroach, ants were killed.
abt the card reader every nigerian knows it was a test run exercise, jega said it was a trial thing that is why he made available the incidenceform incase the r some issues where prints r not being captured by the CR though the pvc is authentic n the name of the holder of such card is found in the voter register.
2015 election has passed, parties won n lost, inec is still around, since 70percent nigerians accept the card reader inec shud send a bill to national assembly to include it in the electoral act as ammended.
it is not the judiciary or supreme court justices that will do this na Inec or the national assembly members cos thier job is to make laws.

ibietela2:
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Olodo you forgot the appeal court and that tribunal abi election whatever is there name

If E pain you just go hug transformer

Lawsimon:
If E pain you just go hug transformer

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And why was GEJ praised for this anarchy ?

amtaken:
If we allow organisations to introduce whatever policy they like without first following the due process, you will see that very soon that there will be anarchy in our nation. God forbid!

yaki84:
y r u guys not viewing n following this rivers rerun as it is?
akwaibom did rerun n the card reader was used, the local govt areas that apc said it was thier strong hold cos those who testified at the tribunal were mostly from those lgs but pdp won in landslide. no violence even when apc told d whole world that thousands oof people lost thier lives till now we hvnt seen pix of those people.
the isuueof river is different, it would hv been worst if supreme court upheld the verdict of appeal n tribunal. the election would hv been more bloody n pdp for still win.
card reader or not, there r so many ways to rig election with the card reader. we hv incident form if ur pvc is not captured by the CR, so what r u telling me.
secondly the killing in rivers is not even one tenth of the killings perpetrated by fulani's herdsmen in agatu n other lgs in benue state, the destruction of properties in rivers can equate the billions lost in benue by these buhari's tribesmen. benue if food basket of the nation, if this issue is not nip in d bud early am seeing benue become the empty basket of the nation.

I hope u understand that a CR records ALL attempts on it, failed or successful. If it fails, an incidence form (IF) is used, but it doesn't erase the attempted data.
CR, like any machine in the world is NOT Bulletproof. Hackers gonna hack. Machines gonna fail. But you don't avoid education simply cos it's expensive.

One more thing I think people need to understand about deployment of military is that situations invite them, especially when there is evidence that the local security are facing challenges in, or have arguably failed to curb the restiveness. If the former is the case, assistance from military comes in. If the latter is the case, an intervention suffices.

Maybe in Benue, police still assure the FG that they are on their game but may need assistance if nothing changes from, say next week...I said MAYBE O.
Maybe in Rivers, military has assumed that with the restiveness in the state pre-election, it may get bloodier if no assistance comes. So they opted for INTERVENTION, which undermines the opinions of d police. Again, that's a maybe...

If you are a spouse to a Force Member, or have a family member in the Force, you can relate to this.

Rivers [Rerun] Election was certainly a Do-or-Die Deal. it doesn't need to be so. 2019, only the candidates and their families may have to cast the votes.

sweetgala:
INEC have legal backing on the CR, it states in the Constitution INEC have the authority to declare the standards by which an election would be conducted this to the legal understanding of the bodies includes the design of an accreditation device to weed out illegal voting, ballot box stuffing etc

I beleive if APC lead Senate have an iota of decency the next deliberation before Edo state election should be change in the Constitution to ammend those areas that give a technical advantage to fraudulent lawyers and their election abusing clients

The 1999 constitution supercede any other laws or act

That is why there is change or is it fake change?

Anything that wasn't done right in the previous administration should be fixed now instead of continuing with it and blaming the good ambassador GEJ.

Fake changers.

sammyj:
And why was GEJ praised for this anarchy ?

3sha4lyf:
And who says I didn't complain? If you read my post to understand it, you'll have seen that I cared more about the essence of the card reader in Nigeria's electoral system, than who was affected. The SC set the precedence in Lagos, backed it up in rivers, and of course, ppl have understood that election is still same old rig-if-u-can.

I now understand u clearly...... but d fact remains CR is alien to our laws so let's hope our senate do justice to dat so dat bf d end of dis year tins will change for gud

bilulu:
I now understand u clearly...... but d fact remains CR is alien to our laws so let's hope our senate do justice to dat so dat bf d end of dis year tins will change for gud

Very mature...

bilulu:
was it not same judgement in Lagos? u didn't complain wen dey ruled out CR in Lagos but here u re lamenting concerning Rivers.......

Are you surprised? Have'nt you realised that yorubas are double faced. They did'nt say a word when tribunal ruled against card reader in Pdp vs Apc in Lagos which made Ambode of Apc to retain his seat. Now they are opening their smelly mouths. Yeye dey smell.

asuustrike2009:
The 1999 constitution supercede any other laws or act

Can you answer me this , has the purpose of INEC and the documentation that established the said organisation not been clarified as the primary body that defines the standards by which an election would be undertaken ?

Does the CR not ensure a better election process

sweetgala:
Can you answer me this , has the purpose of INEC and the documentation that established the said organisation not been clarified as the primary body that defines the standards by which an election would be undertaken ?

Does the CR not ensure a better election process

CR doesn't ensure better election process because it is not efficient enough to capture the required information needed for the election. for example there were cases of cr not capturing some electorates thumb resulting to the use of manual accreditation.

asuustrike2009:
CR doesn't ensure better election process because it is not efficient enough to capture the required information needed for the election. for example there were cases of cr not capturing some electorates thumb resulting to the use of manual accreditation.

That has been proven to be the case in less than 10% of cases, there is also process for those unique incident, an appropriately named fotm !

It is obvious the SC court judgement has invalidated the CR before it ever had a chance. The reason the general 2015 election went well was because of this same device.

If it's good enough for the president , then it should be for any backwater governor

yaki84:
the killings in rivers cant equate the killings that happened in kano after d 2015 election where the resident electoral officer n his entire household including goats, chicken, cockroach, ants were killed.
abt the card reader every nigerian knows it was a test run exercise, jega said it was a trial thing that is why he made available the incidenceform incase the r some issues where prints r not being captured by the CR though the pvc is authentic n the name of the holder of such card is found in the voter register.
2015 election has passed, parties won n lost, inec is still around, since 70percent nigerians accept the card reader inec shud send a bill to national assembly to include it in the electoral act as ammended.
it is not the judiciary or supreme court justices that will do this na Inec or the national assembly members cos thier job is to make laws.

More than 100 people have been killed in Rivers, there was proof that the electoral officer who died in then had a faulty fuse box, which caused a fire, unlike the out and out killings,beheading and all forms of extreme terrorism for political reasons as we now have in rivers.

It's 2016 and one would expect that the electoral process is much better, while both parties have a blame in this recent insecurities , the governor has the lion's share as the number one security officer who has chosen to incite violence, hatred and unrest in his territory.

amtaken:
Quote the part of the Constitution that gives INEC the right to introduce something as important as card reader without first amending the constitution.

Do you know more than SANS and Supreme Court judges?

It takes a legal/judicial mind to interpret any law effectively.

If the Federal Government wants to introduce the use of card reader, there are certain requirements to be met before such can become statutory. That's all we are saying. We are not against the use of card reader, we are only saying that rule of law must be observed. Due process must be followed, that's all.

Hope I made myself clear son?

Abeg comot with this your rule of law,

Everyone who is honest knows very well why the card reader was deployed, it's advantages and the technical loopholes which allowed Wike to win at the SC eve when it was flawed.

Many legal luminaries have come out to condemn the decision, which I still maintain may have been corrupted.

The CR works and it has been proven, there is a provision in the laws that establish INEC which makes it acceptable as a tool for accreditation.

People are just making arguments based on political affiliation, without any iota of loyalty to the Nigerian cause

Somethings might be right without being legal, on the other hand, some wrongs are not illegal.

Something can only be said to be illegal when the law provides so.

Yes, card reader is very good but for now it's use cannot be enforced because it is unconstitutional.


In China, it is illegal in some states to have more than one child, in some other states, you are allowed to have two if the 1st one is a girl or if you have no sibling. Defaulters of this law are assumed to be criminals and treated as such whereas in Nigeria, some people eg Atiku Abubakar and Sanusi have up to 30 children each without anybody blinking an eye.

Under the penal code, which is practised in the North, adultery is a crime and convicted adulterers are punished severely whereas such is not the case in the South.

Law is not a religion. The law is not bothered about morals or right and wrong but rather on the provisions of the statutes. That is why homosexuality act is a crime in Nigeria and Zimbabwe but legalised in the USA and some other countries.


I rest my case.

sweetgala:
Abeg comot with this your rule of law,

Everyone who is honest knows very well why the card reader was deployed, it's advantages and the technical loopholes which allowed Wike to win at the SC eve when it was flawed.

Many legal luminaries have come out to condemn the decision, which I still maintain may have been corrupted.

The CR works and it has been proven, there is a provision in the laws that establish INEC which makes it acceptable as a tool for accreditation.

People are just making arguments based on political affiliation, without any iota of loyalty to the Nigerian cause

sweetgala:
That has been proven to be the case in less than 10% of cases, there is also process for those unique incident, an appropriately named fotm !

It is obvious the SC court judgement has invalidated the CR before it ever had a chance. The reason the general 2015 election went well was because of this same device.

If it's good enough for the president , then it should be for any backwater governor

The general didn't go well in the first place. There were cases of ballot snatching, violence, under age voting in most states. The CR for now needs to have legal backing

amtaken:
Somethings might be right without being legal, on the other hand, some wrongs are not illegal.

Something can only be said to be illegal when the law provides so.

Yes, card reader is very good but for now it's use cannot be enforced because it is unconstitutional.


In China, it is illegal in some states to have more than one child, in some other states, you are allowed to have two if the 1st one is a girl or if you have no sibling. Defaulters of this law are assumed to be criminals and treated as such whereas in Nigeria, some people eg Atiku Abubakar and Sanusi have up to 30 children each without anybody blinking an eye.

Under the penal code, which is practised in the North, adultery is a crime and convicted adulterers are punished severely whereas such is not the case in the South.

Law is not a religion. The law is not bothered about morals or right and wrong but rather on the provisions of the statutes. That is why homosexuality act is a crime in Nigeria and Zimbabwe but legalised in the USA and some other countries.


I rest my case.

You still failed to address the fact that the law gives INEC the authority to declare the modus operandi of an election including the use of a CR.

I agree that the constitution needs to be corrected to resolve the misunderstanding and close all technical loopholes