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parrotibaba:
It doesn't work that way, movies either get a critical acclaim, a generally positive review, a positive review, a mixed review, mixed to positive/negative, a negative review or a generally negative review as was the case of the last fantastic four movie. Movie critics do not base their reviews on another, they base their reviews upon seeing the movie. If you check, amidst all the negative reviews, there are also positive reviews. Now if there are positive reviews then the bandwagon effect is non existent because even if the movie has an overwhelming negative reviews, there is still positive reviews going around.

About the comparison between the positive audience and the negative critics, you know people go to see a movie because of certain things. Me for example will see this movie because of the fight between batman and supes, maybe how they fight doomsday and I'm very sure many folks who have seen/are going to see the movie are also going/went to because of one thing or another. Some want to see how Affleck nailed it as batman, some want to see Gadot as wonder woman, some want to see psycho Lex while some want to see the relationship between Clark and Lois, etc. If you read the comments when a new trailer is released you will see that people want to see different things about the movie. Financially, this movie should make a billion dollars because of its budget and it's depending on people who are interested in seeing batman and superman on the big screen. There are movies with negative reviews which end up being financially successful, still doesn't make it a decent movie/movies. There are also movies with positive reviews but disappointing box office outings.

Finally if you attack the methods of a director or an author you are indirectly attacking the director or author. If the methods of Zack Synder are under intense criticism then the man himself is also under criticism, e.g in football, if the methods of a coach isn't yielding results, the coach gets the sack because the methods are from him and no one else. You can't question the method of directing used by Snyder without questioning the man, it simply doesn't make an iota of sense. Zack synder nails it in visuals, 300, the watchmen, MoS and BvS are proof of that but it's the overall package that matters.

parrotibaba:
God!! Rotten tomatoes gave bvs 29% positive reviews? and metacritics gave it 44/100? WTF?

Is the movie this bad?

badinfluence:
Too much 'lol' is one post shows how much you're trying to cover up how pained you are..everybody knows that.. Moreover you call what you did covering the movie in detail? Wow.. detail must mean a different thing to you. Humanity is doomed.. * spongebob laugh*

Next2Bezee:
When you got nothing left to argue with you then proceed to beat around the bush again? Why would i be frustrated, because you and other marvel fanboys called BvS bad? Hahaha i thought the movie was great along with most of the others who went to see it and its also doing good in the box office

Yep i covered every detail that your fanboy friend pointed out, if you have anything tangible to contribute to his argument and I'm interested, i could oblige you. Humanity is doomed? stop embarrassing yourself.

TonySpike:
Parrotibaba, how can we judge these RT scores and audience receptions for these movies? I won't argue much on reviews again, I guess the issue is over beaten. I will conclude by criticising the methodologies adopted for movie review, that is if there are any. It is no doubt laced with personal opinions, hence, the current outcry. The eventual box office financial output of BvS will determine whether this is a means to an end.

badinfluence:
I'm sure rotten tomatoes was hacked .. who gives sharknado 82%

TonySpike:
Hacked? I guess not, Bro. This is what we are talking about. There are obviously inconsistencies in movie reviews, if not, how did Sharknado get such a high RT score? I guess you now understand my point

TonySpike:
Hacked? I guess not, Bro. This is what we are talking about. There are obviously inconsistencies in movie reviews, if not, how did Sharknado get such a high RT score? I guess you now understand my point

badinfluence:
The head and tail is that you guys are taking this thing too serious.. I learn from both franchises.. Marvel and DC.. don't know about other people but I'm just having fun. But I watch movies and take notes to better myself.. stop the fanboy wars and let's sing together 'we shall overcome'

SherlockWayne007:
Sharknado was reviewed by about 20 critics while BvS has been reviewed by about 200 so far. There's bound to be a huge difference in the ratings

TonySpike:
...and yeah, on metacritic, audience score for BvS is equally above 70%. This is the close to audience score on RT. Are members of the audience wrong?

Next2Bezee:
Your thinking is flawed if you decide not to see the movie based off what 181 rotten tomatoes critics told you lol. The movie got MIXED reviews, how many positive reviews did it get from other critics on IMDB? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2975590/?licb=0.28888278630538755

There have been movies with a much higher budget than BvS that didn't even make $1b (example: Man of steel). Read into that what you will but you're already biased the moment you start smashing the movie even before you seen it.

Finally when you consider the overall package of movies, there is no one that delivers a 100% in all aspects aka The perfect movie. Many would argue with you that Snyder was good or other BvS actors played their roles perfectly.

TonySpike:
The number of reviewers shouldn't be an issue. I also do peer-reviews too and we are not usually more than four. The fact remains that Sharknado was rated 82%, other issues are irrelevant.

superbloke:
Your review makes sense. But I disagree with lex playing Bruce. Bruce has the same fears as lex does about superman. With all the set up against supes, you really can't blame him.
I do understand some of the criticisms. The part where flash appeared in the dream was unnecessary in my opinion. It didn't add anything to the plot, and I thought those who didn't know about the comic stories would be confused by it. Obviously, the movie was made for comic book fans mostly as Amy Adams said.
One thing I don't also like is how they didn't explain how everyone got to know everyone else's identity.
Overall, I still enjoyed the movie. The critics were obviously too harsh, like they were already waiting for it to fail. I give it an 8/10.

TonySpike:
Now, this is an objective marvel fan. Thanks for your review. Tell me, how much do you speculate this movie will earn eventually?

cao:
8/10 is way too nice. I was honestly really annoyed with the film, then the final fight happened & I kinda forgot 'cause I was stoked when WW appeared in her armour to fight - seriously, folks were clapping when WW appeared in that scene (Nigerians & their clapping antics). Just seen my cousin's review on Facebook, which reminded me of one of my pet peeves in the film - unnecessary slow motion. Did they really need the slow motion for Bruce visiting his parents' graves? The whole emphasis on Martha's name during the first act bugged me, I kept wondering, why are they hiding Thomas' name? Then it hit me...oh good old fashioned ham fisted foreshadowing...I should expect its use during a climactic moment...I might have rolled my eyes during said climactic moment. The dream sequence thing was a bit foolish, they have not established a possibility of an alternative/parallel universe in this particular universe (no hint in MoS whatsoever) & to now just drop it into this universe via a dream/vision just like that was a silly decision. Now, I know my AUs & whatnots because I enjoy my sci-fi & I've watched and played those things I mentioned in my earlier post, but what about the average Joe who's only watched MoS?
**wonders out loud** I wonder what AngryJoe's review of this film will be like? He's a proper Superman fan. The black Superman shirt is practically part of his uniform...

It's a 12A, it's also being released in 3D, IMAX 3D & 4DX, it's even being released in 70mm prints, it's not banned in China, I expect it to make money, they had a solid marketing campaign, I might have avoided most of the adverts, I think I only saw the Super Bowl ad & the one that showed at my viewing of London Has Fallen...but I digress. They've thrown everything and the kitchen sink into this. This film has to break even, so that's at least double its budget, with a budget of $250 million, it has to make at least $500 million...and we don't know if the budget includes the marketing costs. It all depends on word of mouth, if average Joes tell their friends that it sucked & those friends tell their friends & yada yada yada, no amount of flash will save it. This film can make $400 million easy, but the budget is big thing, it needs to make around $600 to $800 million. $1b is not going to happen, unless fanboys decide to camp at the cinema or someone decides to make a Faustian deal. It hinges on word of mouth. I can see it getting $600 million, if folks decide to watch it like a Michael Bay film.

Minemrys:
God, cao i get it. U hate BvS and if i may say the Dceu but must you be this pessimistic? Gush This is s0me0ne's 3 year hardwork. I get u hate the film and its your opinion but God! You are over doing this. Many audience so far love the film and give it an 8 or 7 with all its flaws. Can't u find anything good in the m0vie? All these BvS trashing gets me frustrated on being a DC fan. Now am forced to go download the CAMRip versi0n seeing as there are no cinemas here, just to have my opinion. God, am tired of being in the dark. If this film fails in my eye, am d0ne with c0mic book films or better still i'll stick with the x men films except dpool and leave this mcu dcu shit.

cao:
8/10 is way too nice. I was honestly This film has to break even, so that's at least double its budget, with a budget of $250 million, it has to make at least $500 million...and we don't know if the budget includes the marketing costs. It all depends on word of mouth, if av This film can make $400 million easy, but the budget is big thing, it needs to make around $600 to $800 million. $1b is not going to happen, unless fanboys decide to camp at the cinema or someone decides to make a Faustian deal. It hinges on word of mouth. I can see it getting $600 million, if folks decide to watch it like a Michael Bay film.

cao:
Dude, so now I apparently hate the DCEU in its entirety, calm down, so because the man spent 3 years working on it, we should applaud him for his work, regardless of quality of said work? I just had to explain the Flash & the dream scene to my cousin - how it was based on an AU & Flash warning Bruce about it. My cousin is a self confessed fanboy of MoS, he came straight from the airport to watch it with his brother & he's fuming about it - he walked out during the last 10 minutes. I have pointed out how I was entertained by the film, even though I was annoyed by it. And the more I kept chatting with him, I realised why I was annoyed, I was annoyed on behalf of the average

Minemrys:
God, cao i get it. U hate BvS and if i may say the Dceu but must you be this pessimistic? Gush This is s0me0ne's 3 year hardwork. I get u hate the film and its your opinion but God! You are over doing this. Many audience so far love the film and give it an 8 or 7 with all its flaws. Can't u find anything good in the m0vie? All these BvS trashing gets me frustrated on being a DC fan. Now am forced to go download the CAMRip versi0n seeing as there are no cinemas here, just to have my opinion. God, am tired of being in the dark. If this film fails in my eye, am d0ne with c0mic book films or better still i'll stick with the x men films except dpool and leave this mcu dcu shit.

cao:
Dude, so now I apparently hate the DCEU in its entirety, calm down, so because the man spent 3 years working on it, we should applaud him for his work, regardless of quality of said work? I just had to explain the Flash & the dream scene to my cousin - how it was based on an AU & Flash warning Bruce about it. My cousin is a self confessed fanboy of MoS, he came straight from the airport to watch it with his brother & he's fuming about it - he walked out during the last 10 minutes. I have pointed out how I was entertained by the film, even though I was annoyed by it. And the more I kept chatting with him, I realised why I was annoyed, I was annoyed on behalf of the average

Minemrys:
God, cao i get it. U hate BvS and if i may say the Dceu but must you be this pessimistic? Gush This is s0me0ne's 3 year hardwork. I get u hate the film and its your opinion but God! You are over doing this. Many audience so far love the film and give it an 8 or 7 with all its flaws. Can't u find anything good in the m0vie? All these BvS trashing gets me frustrated on being a DC fan. Now am forced to go download the CAMRip versi0n seeing as there are no cinemas here, just to have my opinion. God, am tired of being in the dark. If this film fails in my eye, am d0ne with c0mic book films or better still i'll stick with the x men films except dpool and leave this mcu dcu shit.

cupidhero:
I feel you bro. It seems it is now cool to hate on any DC movie handled by Snyder. I headed over to IMDB after the bashing reviews and saw a few good ones praising the movie....then scrolled down and saw an epic bashing all directed at BVS. First it was MOS and now this. I'm a DC fan but i think some parts of these reviews might be a bit right. Can't say much till i watch it myself. The only person whose opinion matters should be me and not some random dude on the internet. It will be fatal if the Justice League spinoff gets the kind of reception BVS is getting. So many folks base their opinion on reviews on the internet.

moneyallowed:
Bro wait for the Hdrip at least, it'll be out in 2 weeks at most. You won't enjoy the CAMrip, remember it's all about the experience and I can assure you the best experience you will get is on the highest quality. The glory of the visuals and cgi will be lost on CAM so just wait. Forget all these people, there's no way the film will fail in your eye, just lower expectations and you'll enjoy it

If this film was released 10 years ago, we'd all be praising it. The simple fact is expectations have increased, we expect more now. That's why it seems we're being harsh. I think it's a good thing. If we are satisfied with this then we'll get more of the same, they will only keep filling cbms with action and explosions. At least now they know some people aren't happy and the Justice League movie will be better for it. When AoU was released and it got criticized for going down the path of Transformers, they had to listen. I hope they learn the same lessons from BvS.

Minemrys:
seriously. Its the RT rating that's killing me. 29%? Where's thor 2, age of ultr0n? Amazing spidey 2? Ir0n man 2 and 3, superman returns, etc? 29%?

Minemrys:
but tell me, 29%? Thats harsh cos if any m0vie below BvS' quality c0mes out and gets a higher rating, am going to start a blog and tear it down. Seriously.

Minemrys:
but tell me, 29%? Thats harsh cos if any m0vie below BvS' quality c0mes out and gets a higher rating, am going to start a blog and tear it down. Seriously.

moneyallowed:
It's harsh no doubt, but that's the danger with taking risks. Thor 2 & Amazing Spiderman 2 were stupid but they played it safe, they were silly but fun, popcorn stuff. So at least even if the reviewers didn't like the movie at least they felt their money wasn't totally wasted, so they gave it an average score

BvS on the other hand tried to be deep, serious, philosophical and epic all at once and failed. It's harder to give a movie a move a positive score if you didn't enjoy yourself. Any comic book fan would have appreciated it but most of these critics hate comics, they're even getting tired of comic book movies and claiming superhero fatigue. Then a film like BvS comes along and they're like Aha! Told you

Remember RT doesn't work by percentages, the 29% doesn't mean BvS is 29/100. It simply means 29% of the critics gave it a positive score. After all the grammar they write, RT forces critics to rate a movie positive or negative, that is fresh or rotten. So if 10 reviewers all rated BvS 2.5/5, 8 might give it rotten cos they didn't enjoy it, making it look like it's a very bad film. If you want a more accurate score always look at the critics aggregate score. BvS is currently on 5.3 over 10. That's more objective. That's about the same rating as Thor 2 and Iron man 2.The RT % is just to give an idea to anyone who hasn't seen the movie the probability that they might enjoy it