That's nija 4 u.

So it finally made FP. Nice work mod

eyinjuege:


Your mum had a stroke. That's a major event, she needed admission and she was admitted. However, you're not happy with the surrounding of the hospital. There are always other options/ hospitals with beautiful aesthetics which you could have taken your mum to. If you live in Lagos, you can try Reddinton, Roding, St Nicholas. They have quite nice rooms there. However, spending two weeks in a hospital after a stroke is not too long a stay, and at the rate of 25K per week is just dandy.
Meanwhile, your mum still needs regular follow up to monitor her bp, sugar levels and other things. People that have had a stroke before are at a higher risk of having another. The risk factor that caused the stroke in the first instance is probably still present.

DONT GO TO REDDINGTON. IT IS JUST A BIG BUILDING. THE PLACE IS A SCAM! THE DOCTORS USE EVRY MEANS TO EXTORT MONEY FROM THEIR PATIENTS. EVERYBMEANS INCLUDING SCARE MONGERING. THEY MADE SOMEBODY SCARED THST THEY HSD DIABETES WHEN INFACT THE PERSON HAD NOTHING. JUST TO COLLECT BIG MONEY

Private and government hospitals are same no difference.
Doctors and nurses will neglect you till.....
Only God can save us from their hands.

Bkd

I fully agree that some private hospitals are problematic, but Some of these aren't exactly negligence or mistreatment... But your own overactive imagination.

A doctor is asking you for your own symptoms if the cough was throaty or a deep chesty cough. These are things you shoukd be able to recognize and answer as a graduate, instead of imagining the doctor was an all-seeing deity.

I also find it hard to believe your brother complained of ear pain and a doctor prescribed malaria medicine. Far more likely the doctor was treating the resulting fever when he was not made aware of the ear pain.

100k for a 2 week treatment in a private hospital for stroke doesn't seem that exorbitant. It's troubling you rate the amount of care a patient receives by whether the patient is on drip or not.

The major problem in Nigeria healthcare delivery system is that some of our Physicians are too self centred. They don't even want other health Professionals to contribute to the well being of the patients. Unlike other developed countries of the world, a Doctor can't prescribe without the help of a Pharmacist, a Dr can't diagnose without proper laboratory procedures. But here in Nigeria a Dr wants to do everything and at the end patients are dying while some are suffering from the sickness they didn't go to the hospital with.

It's normal. No be Nigeria?

If I explain u won't understand. Just change hospital wia u get beta services

teechudleyy:


I hear you. Im not against the charges. I am against the general response. If you are a doctor, in your practice, be exhaustive, dont just make conclusion. I made several instances of what makes me reluctant. Dont base your essays on just the first. Also... we all would go straight to the govt hospitals if not for the fact tht they are already packed full and you wait hours in line for treatment.

You say wordwide healthcare is expensive, that is why.dey made me pay 2000 for drugs they just went out to buy frm a chemist in my presence.

you want him to be exhaustive but when the doctor mentioned money you kept quiet. why didnt you pay for more investigations like you said? hospitals dont sell drugs like pharmacies. they sell services. the cost of the services is inbuilt in the cost of the drugs. the consultation is meant to pay the salaries of the doctors...somebody must pay for rent, medical waste disposal, power and several exhorbitant cost. learn how to pay ist then complain later

About 80% of them extort from my own experience too. Well the medical practitioners are too much so any opportunity they quickly make use of it.

UkanirehMkpongke:
The major problem in Nigeria healthcare delivery system is that some of our Physicians are too self centred. They don't even want other health Professionals to contribute to the well being of the patients. Unlike other developed countries of the world, a Doctor can't prescribe without the help of a Pharmacist, a Dr can't diagnose without proper laboratory procedures. But here in Nigeria a Dr wants to do everything and at the end patients are dying while some are suffering from the sickness they didn't go to the hospital with.

Keep your personal agenda out of this, please. There are a million and one 'doctor Vs pharmacist' argument threads on nairaland. No point in shitposting about that in this unrelated topic

eyinjuege:


You are the one being defensive now aren't you? No one is shutting you up. What determines the overall cost of the treatment or services you receive in a place? I don't think you're in the position to decide how much you should be charged. Some hospitals take as much as 20000 for a consultation minus the medication that you're given.
I asked you to try a general hospital not because their services are crap, but rather because you don't pay for consultation, and you can always take the prescription you're given to any pharmacy of your choice thereby saving you costs. #5000 naira is not much and its less than £20 GBP, at the rate things are in Naija now, and that's very small money.
Now, worldwide healthcare is expensive, but in developed countries, their govt makes it a priority and spend an unimaginable amount of money just to provide services which may not even be utilised atimes. But it is still their responsibility to provide it cos you never can know when it might be needed.
In naija, its not a priority, and very very few citizens can afford a standard private hospital. Infact, I doubt if 5% of Nigeria's population can afford standard private hospital, but they are available.

N.B- You could have simply asked your doctor what he meant by a throaty/ chesty cough. A lot of folks with no medical background know what a chesty cough is BTW.
You could have just described the cough from your observations, especially in children as that may help with the diagnosis.

Let me kindly make one thing clear: the essence of the telescope is to hear internal rhythms (if i can use dat word), so a good doctor shldnt be asking if its a throaty or chesty cough, s/he'd know through d breathing sound heard tru d stetoscope! So pls, that doc is definitely a quack, i must say. It means wen such patient lies that its a throaty cough he'd just fake diagnosis and write it even if such patient lied. Pls dont try to support bad practices by quack doctors in any hospital for dat matter! Gracias.

May God help us in ds country. I av seen a doctor using google search to prescribe drug

eyinjuege:
I think the problem a lot of Naija doctors have is poor communication with their patients.
Patients too also need to be informed and learn to actively participate in their treatment.

Egunje abi na wetin be your name, I have one case.

I was called that my brother was sick, I came down and rushed him to the hospital, got to the first hospital the nurses looked at him and said Normal card is 3k but emergency card is 5k.

I asked them, if I pay 5k will I see the doc they said no it will be till the next day because that was around 11pm. I now asked what is the essence of paying 5k instead of 3k and at the end I won't see the doctor and they said is because of emergency....They said that is their hospital policy.

I went to another hospital that night paid 5k and saw a doc.........how will you explain that?

teechudleyy:
I had to post this because with the kinds of experiences I have had, I have come to lose trust in private hospitals and even my respect for young medics has really waned.

I will share three instances of my personal experiences with different hospitals.



1. My Little One was a bit down, and I was reluctant to take him to the family hospital in ikeja because it was a hot day so I saw a pharm at health plus who prescribed anti malaria drugs, ampiclox and multivitamins etc. I spend about one thousand five hundred naira getting the drugs.
But my MIL insisted we take him to the hospital even though he was already getting better the next day. Well, i took him down to our hospital and you wony believe I paid 2k for consultation. We went in to see d doc, and he asked a few questions like is it chest cough he has or is it throaty?( i was thinking...how wd i know. When ur d one wearing d stethoscope. Am i a doc to know types of cough? ) how is his temp. his appetite? doc didnt even check his eyes... i know that eye widening thing they do. He made it look like i was an over reacting mom.

After the q&a called consultation, he started scrawling in the prescription pad. I asked wnt u at least check the child? pls wat if something else is happening that isnt clear unless we check.
He said madam, additional check up will cost more money. So i shut up and collected d presc he wrote.
When i got there d lady asked me to pay 2000 naira and i did. She wrote me a receipt and i sat down. I waited 45 mins. My son was already sleepin. I asked the lady n she told me to calm down i will soon b attended to.
Just den,der messanger came in with a package and she just put it in d hospital bag and gave to me.

They were out of drugs. They went out to buy

What drugs?
paracetamol, vit c and bcomplex... D cheap brands o

And guess what... d chemists receipt was in d bag
It all cost 470 naira

I dnt mind consultation fee. But 2000 fr those drugs was extortion.

Medical attn is expensive, but i think some private hospitals take it too far.

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The problem is from your end. As a mother you should educate yourself on basic healthcare like taking temperature, blood pressure, etc. It is not every little deviation of health status will warrant going to the hospital. You start off with OTC medications and if symptoms persist after a few days, then you see your doctor. All medications labels tell you so too. You could easily had done all the doctor did in less time, little effort and money.
The internet is not only used for social media. There is a plethora of information available online.

Btw, the doctor or nurse would need history to initiate treatment regimen that's why he was asking you those basic questions. It is a standard practice.
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In 2010, I told d Dr at our family private hops , that heart transplant was possible, because i saw it on a medical documentary ,and he sneered @ me.

Fast forward 2013, he resigned and told me he was going to UK for further studies as somtin happened to him a week ago that showed him , he knew only textbook medicine. I probed he refused to say more , he only said , he lost a patient. He refused to give me details.
I have seen all manner of medics. The good , the bad,the disgusting animals, the Florence Nightingales, & the Satans
I understand the proper infrastructure for standard medical practise in near non existent in our country naija, but sometimes its wise as a Dr for u to learn to LISTEN. YOU DONT KNOW IT ALL. And even wen some patients in d past has put a sour taste in ur mouth, try not to see pple as mere statistics or choose to fleece people or just view ur fellow human being ATM machines.

sunnyeinstein:


Let me kindly make one thing clear: the essence of the telescope is to hear internal rhythms (if i can use dat word), so a good doctor shldnt be asking if its a throaty or chesty cough, s/he'd know through d breathing sound heard tru d stetoscope! So pls, that doc is definitely a quack, i must say. It means wen such patient lies that its a throaty cough he'd just fake diagnosis and write it even if such patient lied. Pls dont try to support bad practices by quack doctors in any hospital for dat matter! Gracias.

Mr, pls educate yourself. Its not telescope by the way. Its stethoscope. What internal rhythm are you talking about? A stethoscope may not pick anything on the chest in someone with cough especially if its just an upper respiratory infection.
Knowledge is power, and it gets annoying when people talk confidently, but say things that are so wrong in every way.
Pls, and pls, stop confusing Google with anybody's medical degree

One thing you must know is most of these doctors are quacks...especially the freshers these days. It will shock you that most resident doctors don't know their left from right yet they graduate the very next year because they know/or are related to some top boss in whatever teaching hospital they're graduating from eg consultants, specialists etc.
I witnessed a case first hand where a patient had to tell a resident doctor who came to do her rounds that the consultant had taken her off a certain drug she was about to administer into her drip...meanwhile the so called " resident doctor" had opened and read the patient's file. I just sat there wondering why she never noticed she wasn't to give the patient the said drug in the first place. Smh
One must pray never to fall seriously ill, the specialist and consultants open private clinics and flood them with their half baked medical graduates, some of which aren't even fit to be a Native Doctor's apprentice. A quack wouldn't know how to handle patients because he/she doesn't even know what the patient's problem really is. A child had cough and he's being given medication for common cold? Something I can sit at home and prescribe myself. Smh

Vanpascore:
May God help us in ds country. I av seen a doctor using google search to prescribe drug

There is nothing wrong in a doctor using google search to prescribe a drug, at least he knows where to look.

What would you rather have? The doctor just guesses any drug and any dose or he checks a reputable source online for the information?

Doctors use reference material all the time, it is the sign of a conscientious doctor who wants to do what is right not a quack

teechudleyy:


I also dislike when smtn goes wrong and dey dont want to tell you in details claiming dey dnt want people to panic. You will see them running around while treating ur kin, and dey keep saying its nothing.

When i had my son , on tue second day we were still in tue hospital cos i had him by sectioning, a nurse came in to check on him and suddenly took him out. They put him on the drip and oxygen mask. We were asked not to touch him. Wen we went back fr his bcg nd the matron was telling her colleagues... is this nt the child u wanted us to refer to fmr, he is so healthy and bouncy.

I dnt know up until today, what happened to my son. I asked and asked. All dey say is... its nothing. Dont worry.

Also, they hate wen u seem to know too much. Some patients may be terrible tho... but honestly, a doctor should open up to a patient, and allow d patient to b aware of certain things. Not here in nigeria. Never.

I think it is an ethical rule that you explain everything to a patient from the nature of the ailment to the various method of cure available. It is the patient's right to know and consent to treatment before the doctor initiates it.

eyinjuege:


The best test to diagnose an ulcer is an endoscopy. It's invasive, and has its own associated risk. It has to be done in an operating room, and its very very expensive. I think it may cost at least 70k.
Now, in Naija, doctors always have to consider costs when dealing with patients.
There are different things that may cause chest pains, the site of the chest pain is also equally important. Certain questions you ask will help you to determine the cause. In fact, in medicine it's believed that 80-90% of your diagnoses should be made on asking patients questions alone, and the remaining 10-20% confirmed by your investigations. A good history/questioning goes a long way.

Ulcer, chest pain?!!! Bros fear God naw! Ulcer has to do with the walls of the intestine and before drug prescription one has to do test to ascertain if its chronic or not, or if it has microbial inclination or chemical. Bros, the only thing closest to chest pain an ulcer patient can experience is discomfort in the upper gut region (last resort is except d sick has been administered drugs at home which could have cough/chest pain as side effect). Make una no dey support doctors unnecesarily, tell dem d truth wen its warranted. I am not a doctor, just a scholar, thanks.

emekaxy:


Egunje abi na wetin be your name, I have one case.

I was called that my brother was sick, I came down and rushed him to the hospital, got to the first hospital the nurses looked at him and said Normal card is 3k but emergency card is 5k.

I asked them, if I pay 5k will I see the doc they said no it will be till the next day because that was around 11pm. I now asked what is the essence of paying 5k instead of 3k and at the end I won't see the doctor and they said is because of emergency....They said that is their hospital policy.

I went to another hospital that night paid 5k and saw a doc.........how will you explain that?

What do you want me to explain about the hospital policy of a private hospital for goodness sake. Every private hospital has their own policy, and I cannot speak for each and every private hospital.
Go to a general hospital, provided by the government that has a responsibility towards you.
In the UK by the way, private hospitals don't run emergency services. If you have an emergency, and you rush to a private hospital in the UK, you will be directed to the closest Accident and emergency whuchbis run by the NHS. I'm waiting for someone to try and dispute that

Vanpascore:
May God help us in ds country. I av seen a doctor using google search to prescribe drug

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I want that doctor to be my doctor in Nigeria. Some doctors will rather prescribe patients to untimely death than search for the solution to a problem. Every doctor must have access to the internet to be effective. When technology met healthcare, life became easier. I can vouch for it.
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ashjay001:


I can be forceful sha. My 1st kid, they kept chasing us back, 5hrs later I'll be back. After 3 attempts(fri/sat), they gave us a room and I had to rub her back till monday mrn. 5 days later, I did a discharge on my own recommendation, after a whole week of jaundice treatment at eko hospital, surulere! Told them I had flourscent bulb at home, natural birth was already over a 100k(2009) and I never buy ram!

My next time actively feed ur baby and lay him on d early morning sun . 100kfor fluorescent. Thunder fire dem

Google helps alot wen it comes to information on lo

sunnyeinstein:


Ulcer, chest pain?!!! Bros fear God naw! Ulcer has to do with the walls of the intestine and before drug prescription one has to do test to ascertain if its chronic or not, or if it has microbial inclination or chemical. Bros, the only thing closest to chest pain an ulcer patient can experience is discomfort in the upper gut region (last resort is except d sick has been administered drugs at home which could have cough/chest pain as side effect). Make una no dey support doctors unnecesarily, tell dem d truth wen its warranted. I am not a doctor, just a scholar, thanks.

People with ulcer, gastritis, present with epigastric pain and oftentimes due to it's proximity to the chest call it chest pain. You as a doctor now have to find out from them the exact point of the pain. But usually, they tell you they have chest pains, and not stomach pains.

sunnyeinstein:


Let me kindly make one thing clear: the essence of the telescope is to hear internal rhythms (if i can use dat word), so a good doctor shldnt be asking if its a throaty or chesty cough, s/he'd know through d breathing sound heard tru d stetoscope! So pls, that doc is definitely a quack, i must say. It means wen such patient lies that its a throaty cough he'd just fake diagnosis and write it even if such patient lied. Pls dont try to support bad practices by quack doctors in any hospital for dat matter! Gracias.

oga u are wrong.. History comes first before examination, u cannot jump history all because the stethoscope is there for u to use..
After history and examination comes the investigation (lab).
Pls don't conclude on what u don't know

Hmmmmm...

sunnyeinstein:


Ulcer, chest pain?!!! Bros fear God naw! Ulcer has to do with the walls of the intestine and before drug prescription one has to do test to ascertain if its chronic or not, or if it has microbial inclination or chemical. Bros, the only thing closest to chest pain an ulcer patient can experience is discomfort in the upper gut region (last resort is except d sick has been administered drugs at home which could have cough/chest pain as side effect). Make una no dey support doctors unnecesarily, tell dem d truth wen its warranted. I am not a doctor, just a scholar, thanks.

The most common cause of chest pain in adults is dyspepsia. Google that. This is why ppl like you irritate me. You don't have the knowledge yet you are trying to force down your wrong opinion on someone more knowledgeable. And yes the most accurate test to do is an endoscopy, after you have ruled out a hear pathology with other cardiac tests. How many Nigerians can afford all these tests just for a simple ulcer.

teechudleyy:
I had to post this because with the kinds of experiences I have had, I have come to lose trust in private hospitals and even my respect for young medics has really waned.

I will share three instances of my personal experiences with different hospitals.



1. My Little One was a bit down, and I was reluctant to take him to the family hospital in ikeja because it was a hot day so I saw a pharm at health plus who prescribed anti malaria drugs, ampiclox and multivitamins etc. I spend about one thousand five hundred naira getting the drugs.
But my MIL insisted we take him to the hospital even though he was already getting better the next day. Well, i took him down to our hospital and you wony believe I paid 2k for consultation. We went in to see d doc, and he asked a few questions like is it chest cough he has or is it throaty?( i was thinking...how wd i know. When ur d one wearing d stethoscope. Am i a doc to know types of cough? ) how is his temp. his appetite? doc didnt even check his eyes... i know that eye widening thing they do. He made it look like i was an over reacting mom.

After the q&a called consultation, he started scrawling in the prescription pad. I asked wnt u at least check the child? pls wat if something else is happening that isnt clear unless we check.
He said madam, additional check up will cost more money. So i shut up and collected d presc he wrote.
When i got there d lady asked me to pay 2000 naira and i did. She wrote me a receipt and i sat down. I waited 45 mins. My son was already sleepin. I asked the lady n she told me to calm down i will soon b attended to.
Just den,der messanger came in with a package and she just put it in d hospital bag and gave to me.

They were out of drugs. They went out to buy

What drugs?
paracetamol, vit c and bcomplex... D cheap brands o

And guess what... d chemists receipt was in d bag
It all cost 470 naira

I dnt mind consultation fee. But 2000 fr those drugs was extortion.

Medical attn is expensive, but i think some private hospitals take it too far.

Biggest lie of the weekend..........You aint a good write also

texazzpete:


Keep your personal agenda out of this, please. There are a million and one 'doctor Vs pharmacist' argument threads on nairaland. No point in shitposting about that in this unrelated topic

But d poster was merely pointing out the blatant truth! A doctor- a well trained one- shouldnt make most diagnosis without an adequate lab test so as not to misdiagnose, it kills. Doctors should talk to patients, recommend d test to be carried out and rely on such test results to profer the type of medication, while the pharmacist would look at the doctor's card and use the information therein to administer the appropriate drug for such patient and frequency of usage. If this is followed, we'd have a healthy population not walking reservoirs of sickness.

Thank you