GboyegaD:


I think it is an ethical rule that you explain everything to a patient from the nature of the ailment to the various method of cure available. It is the patient's right to know and consent to treatment before the doctor initiates it.

, no be for Nigeria oh, they even get annoyed when you ask questions oh, been to just few hospital in the states for myself and baby oh, and the end of each test,it they find anything, they will explain with words, and still print out all literature on that ailment ,its available treatments ,what to expect, prevention and give them to you to home and read up.
But here I have had doctors shout me down for asking questions concerning his diagnosis.you can't even raise any concern about any of their proposed treatment or they will grow impatient and shout you down.

speak2leo:


Not everything u read online is correct, and u may not have d knowledge for detailed understanding. stop misleading ur self. now let me school u a bit. Peptic Ulcer has Notin to d with the walls of the intestine. the intestine includes the small and Large intestines. Peptic Ulcer wch is d discussion here includes d Gastric (Stomach) And Duodenal Ulcers ( 1st Part of d duodenum), so u see u r wrong saying ulcer involves d walls of d intestine. A good medical history will differentiate d two types which will make a doctor decide for appropriate investigations whether Endoscopy or other investigations: Barium Swallow, follow-through tests etc. chest pain is one of patient's complaint. history will determine if d pain is of gastric or cardiac origin. then examination will follow after thorough history taking. I dnt need to go further here bfore I start sounding mystical to u bc u dnt belong here. so ask ur Doctors for detailed explanation if u get confused. Dnt rely on Google, rely on ur doctors. Medical cert can't be achieved tru Google. Some Doctors dnt go thorough through it all, mayb for patient workload or other reasons best known to them. but as a patient, it is ur right to knw what ur diagnosis is, and what relevant investigations & medications would suffice. Dnt keep shut, always ask when in doubt. good Patient-Doctor relationship in terms of communication is lacking in our health sector. we should do our best as patient or Doctor to sort this out.

, a good research don't base their finding on one article alone, you have to select credible source and sift through them, at least you have an idea of what you are dealing with and what to expect.

Private is still better than government hospitals. At least they listen and act. Govt hospitals have too many doctors and they don't listen. I lost my daughter due to govt hospital negligence. It was obvious that she was losing strength, yet doctors never bothered to act. I finally lost her.

If not for cost, private are better though they have their lapses

tochimas:
, no be for Nigeria oh, they even get annoyed when you ask questions oh, been to just few hospital in the states for myself and baby oh, and the end of each test,it they find anything, they will explain with words, and still print out all literature on that ailment ,its available treatments ,what to expect, prevention and give them to you to home and read up.
But here I have had doctors shout me down for asking questions concerning his diagnosis.you can't even raise any concern about any of their proposed treatment or they will grow impatient and shout you down.

It's the way you present yourself. That has only happened to be once, because he was a professor. I was mad! But the others, I make it clear that I am 100% capable of understanding to the best of my knowledge, what is wrong with me and I make it clear that I will get a 2nd opinion from other doctors. So they view me as a fun and challenging patient.

During my antenatal I couldn't sleep well so doctor prescribed Lexotan, I looked it up and discussed with my doctor about how I didn't feel comfortable taking a category D drug in my 2nd trimester for something I felt was a common pregnancy ailment (and my case wasn't bad). So he and I agreed we would try home remedies of milk before bedtime and different positions. Afterwards he praised me because he said most patients just take whatever he prescribed without asking or thinking of their medical history then complain. For example almost every doctor I've met say female patients lie about things like abortions in antenatal (that info is important so they can check if it was done well and there's no scarring in your womb walls). If issues arise, they blame the doctors.

I don't think all doctors are good because Nigeria has an educational problem but we all need to step up.

Onegai:


It's the way you present yourself. That has only happened to be once, because he was a professor. I was mad! But the others, I make it clear that I am 100% capable of understanding to the best of my knowledge, what is wrong with me and I make it clear that I will get a 2nd opinion from other doctors. So they view me as a fun and challenging patient.

at least you agree with me that it does happen, Of cos all of them are not like that but number of them like that is uncomfortably too high for me Biko.

tochimas:
at least you agree with me that it does happen, Of cos all of them are not like that but number of them like that is uncomfortably too high for me Biko.

Please re-read my post I modified it. It's because there are a lot of ignorant people claiming educated and making bad decisions that they start talking down to all patients.

teechudleyy:


I also dislike when smtn goes wrong and dey dont want to tell you in details claiming dey dnt want people to panic. You will see them running around while treating ur kin, and dey keep saying its nothing.

When i had my son , on tue second day we were still in tue hospital cos i had him by sectioning, a nurse came in to check on him and suddenly took him out. They put him on the drip and oxygen mask. We were asked not to touch him. Wen we went back fr his bcg nd the matron was telling her colleagues... is this nt the child u wanted us to refer to fmr, he is so healthy and bouncy.

I dnt know up until today, what happened to my son. I asked and asked. All dey say is... its nothing. Dont worry.

Also, they hate wen u seem to know too much. Some patients may be terrible tho... but honestly, a doctor should open up to a patient, and allow d patient to b aware of certain things. Not here in nigeria. Never.

It happened to me recently. My last child (child no 3) was a beatiful baby girl , most beautiful of all the three. Four weeks after she was born, she started loosing weight so I took her to d peadiatric unit of the health center to see d doc. A doc attended to me and after telling him my observation thinking he will diagnose her instead he just prescribed folic acid and vitamin c. After leaving his office I went to d nursing station, it was there I overheard him telling one of d nurses that my baby had down syndrome
Syndrome. On hearing this, I quickly log in to Goole to know what is the meaning of down syndrome. To cut the long story short I lost d baby four weeks after because she also had hole in the heart and she has lost all energy due to hard labour of sucking. If d doctor had told me earlier I would have known how to spoon feed her till God takes control of the situation. Nigerian doctors! Even though this one is supposed to be more experience being a government employed doctor.

Onegai:


Is that picture what you're calling a "fluorescent" bulb? And you're complaining about buying a ram??

Jehovah. You're an idiot. Sorry but true.

That is an Ultraviolet light, used for treating severe cases of jaundice in newborn (neonatal). They saved your son's life because if they hadn't done that, he would have died.

And you called it "fluorescent" and complained about buying a ram?!!!! Let me guess, you're a "graduate", right??

And please don't spew that talk about early morning sunlight, as that treatment only works for mild cases of jaundice, which is probably not what your son had and he got better after a week of UV treatment. If you had refused and he had died (2-3 says of severe jaundice will kill most newborns) you'd have come here to rant. When your careless ignorance caused it.

I'm not a doctor or nurse, btw, just an informed parent. But you have seriously annoyed me tonight. You and the OP have shown the kind of ignorance that made me stop helping almost all the cases I hear of, because Nigerian stvpidity and wilful ignorance is high and we need to reduce the population of ignorant half-baked graduates (let Natural Selection get rid of them). I mean, you could have used your phone to Google the treatment o....Chai.

And to anyone complaining, go to GH. At least they treat you not based on profit. I use private for our regular medicals and when we have an issue I call the GH doctors and tell them we are coming or ask them for a 2nd opinion and crosscheck with my private hospital. That's your right as a patient, ask for a 2nd opinion if you are not sure of your attending physician.

honestly hes was the funniest comment on this thread. i just laugh and laugh when i read on such threads and have decided never to argue on such again. there is really no point. NEONATAL JAUNDICE!!! and all he could think of was buying ram.

GOd truly is wonderful and ignorance is bliss



theres another thread on the evils of patient behaviour after thay have been treated and now time to pay. everyman likes to shift the blame.




on a final note as someone said on this thread many of you have access to the internet. use it.

tochimas:
, no be for Nigeria oh, they even get annoyed when you ask questions oh, been to just few hospital in the states for myself and baby oh, and the end of each test,it they find anything, they will explain with words, and still print out all literature on that ailment ,its available treatments ,what to expect, prevention and give them to you to home and read up.
But here I have had doctors shout me down for asking questions concerning his diagnosis.you can't even raise any concern about any of their proposed treatment or they will grow impatient and shout you down.

i find this hard to beleive, it is your right as a patient to know what exactly is to be done for you. next time one shouts you down also scream back at him and see if he wont back down.

teechudleyy:
5. My sister usually has serious chest pains. We went to d same hospitl as above. Doctor gave her ulcer drugs n said if it works, its ulcer. If it doesnt, come back

Sorry, we are all in it. The last time, they did all their checks on me from three star malaria till noalaria, had malaria medications, then malaria injections then another set of malaria medications. At last, they said it's mild depression... I was what!!! Wetin I dey think... Nothing... So I was given depression medication to be taking till I listened to my wife and finally did what she wanted -- me going to Gbagada General Hospital... It was there they got to know that it was deficiency... Khai! So I was given only Bcomplex and was advised to stop those depression med fom private clinic which I did.. And got better...

Later, I got to know that the deficiency has got same symptoms with mild depression... Only God knows how many.people are taking wrong medication cos of this Hospitals and HMO.

Guess what, when I complained to the private hospital, they said General Hospital did a comprehensive blood analysis that will show all statistics and theirs won't show all... Just brief and will only show all if I am a walk in patient and not HMO that it was a directive from HMO...

I was surprised... The last time I was there, the doc I saw said one HMO (he gave me d name) said they should stop giving kids antibiotics for cough... Wetin dem wan give them before?

[quote author=teechudleyy post=44254958]

I also dislike when smtn goes wrong and dey dont want to tell you in details claiming dey dnt want people to panic. You will see them running around while treating ur kin, and dey keep saying its nothing.

When i had my son , on tue second day we were still in tue hospital cos i had him by sectioning, a nurse came in to check on him and suddenly took him out. They put him on the drip and oxygen mask. We were asked not to touch him. Wen we went back fr his bcg nd the matron was telling her colleagues... is this nt the child u wanted us to refer to fmr, he is so healthy and bouncy.

I dnt know up until today, what happened to my son. I asked and asked. All dey say is... its nothing. Dont worry.

Also, they hate wen u seem to know too much. Some patients may be terrible tho... but honestly, a doctor should open up to a patient, and allow d patient to b aware of certain things. Not here in nigeria. Never.[/quote



u knw d problem most Nigerians have s DAT dy dnt knw deir RIGHTS as a patient,I dd DAT course in my Nursing School,it s called PATIENTS BILL OF RIGHTS.

u av d right to so many tinz like d1 u sighted abv,ao on earth could a nurse just place ur son on oxygen witot u knowing d reason behind it?

if u'v threatened 2sue dem I blv dey would av explained in details 2u d reason(s) y ur baby needs DAT,it s ur right,anyway sha,All s well

Onegai:


It's the way you present yourself. That has only happened to be once, because he was a professor. I was mad! But the others, I make it clear that I am 100% capable of understanding to the best of my knowledge, what is wrong with me and I make it clear that I will get a 2nd opinion from other doctors. So they view me as a fun and challenging patient.

During my antenatal I couldn't sleep well so doctor prescribed Lexotan, I looked it up and discussed with my doctor about how I didn't feel comfortable taking a category D drug in my 2nd trimester for something I felt was a common pregnancy ailment (and my case wasn't bad). So he and I agreed we would try home remedies of milk before bedtime and different positions. Afterwards he praised me because he said most patients just take whatever he prescribed without asking or thinking of their medical history then complain. For example almost every doctor I've met say female patients lie about things like abortions in antenatal (that info is important so they can check if it was done well and there's no scarring in your womb walls). If issues arise, they blame the doctors.

I don't think all doctors are good because Nigeria has an educational problem but we all need to step up.

I can't vouch for anybody but myself, I'm the type that when I go to doctor,I table my medical life history by myself even when I'm not asked, I have also found out that some doctors don't ask medical history before prescribing drugs sometimes, if you don't ask, I will volunteer the info myself cos I'm on some sort of medication and don't want any kind of drug complications.
The thing is that some doctors in Nigeria are damn too proud to admit their mistakes thereby not correcting it. They will rather shout you down no matter how calmly you express your concerns especially when they are wrong. Of course you don't know it but was just expressing your fears. I had A thyroid works done and was prescribed some med with a particular dosage, the following day, my endo called and asked me to take 5g instead of the 10g she prescribed initially, she said she has studied it carefully and realized that I'm slightly above and don't need that much. Of course, I had to retest in few months time, a Nigerian doctor will rather cover their mistake instead of admitting and correcting it as soon as possible.

armadeo:


i find this hard to beleive, it is your right as a patient to know what exactly is to be done for you. next time one shouts you down also scream back at him and see if he wont back down.

Yes it's my right as a patient. The thing is that some Nigerian doctors carry themselves like demigod and ignorant folks worship them like that.but they don't know that a lot of Nigerians have grown beyond that and know their right and the necessary info their doctors need to furnish them with, they are thrown off balance a times when they encounter patients demanding for the necessary patients information by the patients. Doctors in the states furnish you with those info even if you don't ask for it.

Gmajor:
You said three instances. Where are the others.
Also, please pipe down on the use of abbreviations. I dont even undestand most of the ones you used in this write up

Always quick to criticise. Only If you had been patient enough to wait for updates. Msteww

abeeceebee:
It happened to me recently. My last child (child no 3) was a beatiful baby girl , most beautiful of all the three. Four weeks after she was born, she started loosing weight so I took her to d peadiatric unit of the health center to see d doc. A doc attended to me and after telling him my observation thinking he will diagnose her instead he just prescribed folic acid and vitamin c. After leaving his office I went to d nursing station, it was there I overheard him telling one of d nurses that my baby had down syndrome
Syndrome. On hearing this, I quickly log in to Goole to know what is the meaning of down syndrome. To cut the long story short I lost d baby four weeks after because she also had hole in the heart and she has lost all energy due to hard labour of sucking. If d doctor had told me earlier I would have known how to spoon feed her till God takes control of the situation. Nigerian doctors! Even though this one is supposed to be more experience being a government employed doctor.

I'm so sorry for your loss but why would the doctor not tell you your baby had Down's Syndrome?? And send you away with Folic acid and Vitamin C? There are support groups in Lagos for babies and children with Down's S, please where and what hospital did this happen?

teechudleyy:
2. My mom fell in church, could not move her limbs. She had had a stroke. We rushed her to the private hospital said to b d best at treating strokes.

Before admitting mum, doctor charged us 50,000 naira, and we paid. She was admitted, placed on a drip. Catheter, and medications to regulate her bp. And that infra red light for massage. She was there for a week, but she wasnt given meals. We were bringing her fruits and veggies etc frm home.

The second week, no more drip, no more anything, they only check her bp, give her drugs etc. Mom was eager to go home that friday.
How much is our balance?
Another 50 000.

even tho even in the room, no tv, no lamp for when ders no light. I slept on the floor in her room, we went to pee using my phone torch at night.

We were very grateful mum was still alive that saturday wen we were going home, but we still had a lot of physiotherapy to do. We paid the money in full and headed home.

But... we expected follow up, we even went back to.d hospital, but he told us mum was well. Truth is if we knew d rigut things to do frm d on set and d doc adviced us properly, mum would have been much better.

These are called out of pocket costs. They're not even expensive sef. You know how much one car costs? Or to build a house? Or to pay rent for that hospital premises? Or to enrol a child in a good-quality school? These things are what the medical staff aim to acquire and do with proceeds from their services. Try the NHIS and other health insurance schemes. Nigerians should realise they must spend money on others in the same way they want to get money. The faster the money goes round, the bigger the GDP of the country

teechudleyy:
4. My lil bro had ear issues fr years. We were on hygeia health plan. Everytime he cried. We went to d hospital.... doc gives us artesunate and some vitamins.
we eventually went to d e.n.t. dept of that general hospital in ile epo. And thats where his condition was treated after 3 Years of back and forth

I apologise but I want to deviate from that topic. What form of ear issues did your Bro have and what was the cause?

Onegai:


Is that picture what you're calling a "fluorescent" bulb? And you're complaining about buying a ram??

Jehovah. You're an idiot. Sorry but true.

That is an Ultraviolet light, used for treating severe cases of jaundice in newborn (neonatal). They saved your son's life because if they hadn't done that, he would have died.

And you called it "fluorescent" and complained about buying a ram?!!!! Let me guess, you're a "graduate", right??

And please don't spew that talk about early morning sunlight, as that treatment only works for mild cases of jaundice, which is probably not what your son had and he got better after a week of UV treatment. If you had refused and he had died (2-3 says of severe jaundice will kill most newborns) you'd have come here to rant. When your careless ignorance caused it.

I'm not a doctor or nurse, btw, just an informed parent. But you have seriously annoyed me tonight. You and the OP have shown the kind of ignorance that made me stop helping almost all the cases I hear of, because Nigerian stvpidity and wilful ignorance is high and we need to reduce the population of ignorant half-baked graduates (let Natural Selection get rid of them). I mean, you could have used your phone to Google the treatment o....Chai.

And to anyone complaining, go to GH. At least they treat you not based on profit. I use private for our regular medicals and when we have an issue I call the GH doctors and tell them we are coming or ask them for a 2nd opinion and crosscheck with my private hospital. That's your right as a patient, ask for a 2nd opinion if you are not sure of your attending physician.

Chai, only me, idiot? So full of ur self! U a graduate, assumes all other graduates aren't un-informed? Though, u didn't bother to ask, I'll tell u, I very well know d difference btw UV(physics-didnt even av to be a graduate to know it) and flourescent(my dad's favourite, till presently)

Carry ur sanctimonious self and go find weaklings to intimidate with ur quality certificates and google! I believe u discovered google ba?

U've assumed a lot of wrong things, and for a quality graduate online, u lack home training. That u've been privileged to av GH docs on call, doesn't hold true for others. Do u know how many days some spend to even gain access to a GH doc not to talk of having a number?

I'm in a rage and can almost dare u, to compare d quality of our knowledge. But, I won't, as I realise, u're d type that gains a little knowledge and claim to be prof!

Do av a goodnite rest, ur knowledgeable excellence! _____

Happywoman:


My next time actively feed ur baby and lay him on d early morning sun . 100kfor fluorescent. Thunder fire dem

Google helps alot wen it comes to information on lo

Tnx madam. Got all d info I needed by word of mouth. A secondary school classmate, was one of d attending docs, gave me d lowdown.

This particular thread is filled with many ignorant posts. Most of the things the OP complained of are not even malpractices. There are serious malpractices going on in private hospitals, but these things you wrote, well except for poor communication are all normal.

Im not defending our healthcare cause we all know it leaves so much to be desired. But I laugh when atients expect the kind of treatment they watch in movies but are only able to pay 2% of what these guys pay in other countries.

See despite those bills you people complain of as being exorbitant, many private hospitals can't even pay for the services of a permanent doctor. That's why you go to some hospitals and they say they ask you to wait for them to call a doctor.

Healthcare is that expensive. if you were to take your mum who suffered stroke to one of those hospitals in the foreign movies we watch, guess how much you would have paid without insurance?

ashjay001:


Chai, only me, idiot? So full of ur self! U a graduate, assumes all other graduates aren't un-informed? Though, u didn't bother to ask, I'll tell u, I very well know d difference btw UV(physics-didnt even av to be a graduate to know it) and flourescent(my dad's favourite, till presently)

Carry ur sanctimonious self and go find weaklings to intimidate with ur quality certificates and google! I believe u discovered google ba?

U've assumed a lot of wrong things, and for a quality graduate online, u lack home training. That u've been privileged to av GH docs on call, doesn't hold true for others. Do u know how many days some spend to even gain access to a GH doc not to talk of having a number?

I'm in a rage and can almost dare u, to compare d quality of our knowledge. But, I won't, as I realise, u're d type that gains a little knowledge and claim to be prof!

Do av a goodnite rest, ur knowledgeable excellence! _____

Okay nah! But please don't dare me to compare the "quality of knowledge", just leave it as it is infact just assume I don't know anything sef, infact just tell yourself you have so much more knowledge than me. G'night!

(But why do people think "you lack home training" is a painful insult? I could dish out 20 worse things easily...)

I think we should do away with government-funded healthcare in this country and go private. The kind of eye-opening shocking experiences that will happen eh, no part two.

abeeceebee:
It happened to me recently. My last child (child no 3) was a beatiful baby girl , most beautiful of all the three. Four weeks after she was born, she started loosing weight so I took her to d peadiatric unit of the health center to see d doc. A doc attended to me and after telling him my observation thinking he will diagnose her instead he just prescribed folic acid and vitamin c. After leaving his office I went to d nursing station, it was there I overheard him telling one of d nurses that my baby had down syndrome
Syndrome. On hearing this, I quickly log in to Goole to know what is the meaning of down syndrome. To cut the long story short I lost d baby four weeks after because she also had hole in the heart and she has lost all energy due to hard labour of sucking. If d doctor had told me earlier I would have known how to spoon feed her till God takes control of the situation. Nigerian doctors! Even though this one is supposed to be more experience being a government employed doctor.

Awwww. This hurts so bad. This is what i am talking about o. These are the harms doctors negligence cost us and they defend it talking about cars and houses they want to buy

Onegai:


Okay nah! But please don't dare me to compare the "quality of knowledge", just leave it as it is infact just assume I don't know anything sef, infact just tell yourself you have so much more knowledge than me. G'night!

(But why do people think[b] "you lack home training" is a painful insult? I could dish out 20 worse things easily...)[/b]

I think we should do away with government-funded healthcare in this country and go private. The kind of eye-opening shocking experiences that will happen eh, no part two.

Congrats... u have a talent

Eebrahym:
So it finally made FP. Nice work mod

Oh wow! I guess ppl need to see this.

obge:

DONT GO TO REDDINGTON. IT IS JUST A BIG BUILDING. THE PLACE IS A SCAM! THE DOCTORS USE EVRY MEANS TO EXTORT MONEY FROM THEIR PATIENTS. EVERYBMEANS INCLUDING SCARE MONGERING. THEY MADE SOMEBODY SCARED THST THEY HSD DIABETES WHEN INFACT THE PERSON HAD NOTHING. JUST TO COLLECT BIG MONEY

Can you just see that? Even the big hospitals eyinjuege is prescribing are not trustworthy. All i am fighting for is a change in the doctors attitudes. Many of them are always money oriented

kaziblake:
Private and government hospitals are same no difference.
Doctors and nurses will neglect you till.....
Only God can save us from their hands.

Amen o. Govt hospital queue is another nughtmarr. Thats d frustration that takes ppl to private

texazzpete:
I fully agree that some private hospitals are problematic, but Some of these aren't exactly negligence or mistreatment... But your own overactive imagination.

A doctor is asking you for your own symptoms if the cough was throaty or a deep chesty cough. These are things you shoukd be able to recognize and answer as a graduate, instead of imagining the doctor was an all-seeing deity.

I also find it hard to believe your brother complained of ear pain and a doctor prescribed malaria medicine. Far more likely the doctor was treating the resulting fever when he was not made aware of the ear pain.

100k for a 2 week treatment in a private hospital for stroke doesn't seem that exorbitant. It's troubling you rate the amount of care a patient receives by whether the patient is on drip or not.

Choi! i know my truth sha. Ur opinion doesnt improve tye doctors attitude. Thats all i need. An improvement in doctors general attitude

If u read my mums case. I didnt rate anything by drip. Pls. I was only unhappy we werent made aware of the physiotherapy that would be needed. Doc only said mum was ok, she shd stop thinkin and avoid salts.

From my three year experience, ive realised theres more to managing stroke than that.

About my brother, the doctor checked his ear and saw nithing so he assumed he was being over reactive like u just did.

I know a throaty cough from a chesty cough. And that is not a measure for a graduate's intelligence. Even a market woman knows that. I was just thinking... cant he use his stethoscope thingy at least? or is that just a fancy necklace for doctors?

teechudleyy:


Congrats... u have a talent

Oh I do, my darling. I do. I'm very truthful.



Goodnight.

UkanirehMkpongke:
The major problem in Nigeria healthcare delivery system is that some of our Physicians are too self centred. They don't even want other health Professionals to contribute to the well being of the patients. Unlike other developed countries of the world, a Doctor can't prescribe without the help of a Pharmacist, a Dr can't diagnose without proper laboratory procedures. But here in Nigeria a Dr wants to do everything and at the end patients are dying while some are suffering from the sickness they didn't go to the hospital with.

Imagine a doctor here defending der misbehaviours with the need to drive cars. What the heck! we will pay whatever u charge just handle us well. Thats all.

Onegai:


I'm so sorry for your loss but why would the doctor not tell you your baby had Down's Syndrome?? And send you away with Folic acid and Vitamin C? There are support groups in Lagos for babies and children with Down's S, please where and what hospital did this happen?

thanks for your concern. It is called Agbala health center in Ikorodu. Don't be surprise it is a health center i took my baby, it is where we were directed to always see doctors on cases children that are not emergency by the General hospital

The way people bash doctors on nairaland sha. I wonder if it is the same Nigerian doctors that are excelling in other countries. In case people don't know the Saudi ministry of health alone recruited over a 100 doctors last year and just employed about 200 in March. Also mopping up B.sc nurses aggressively. The doctors are tired of the system too, and are leaving never to return. We can continue the blame game here.