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Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:08pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
plaetton: Psalm 9:17 17 The wicked shall be turned into hell, and all the nations that forget God. Secondly, a simple statistics taken from Nigeria, for example , would show that the far majority of Abortions, prostitution and homosexuality are by people who are Christians or who subscribe to one of our two Abrahamic religions. John 14 : 15 15"If you love Me, you will keep My commandments. |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 3:10pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
PastorAIO: This is the worst rebuttal an atheist has ever presented |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 3:20pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: rebuttal to what? What did I rebut? |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 3:28pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: I take back mentioning your ignorance without shame. It seems your ignorance does have shame. That is why you don't want to respond to the examples I presented of prominent biblical men who married non-virgins. As well as bible passages regulating divorce and Remarriage of women. 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by cloudgoddess(f): 3:40pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
plaetton: |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by Kay17: 4:05pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
Abraham's story comes to mind. God instructs him to sacrifice his only son in order to receive continuing divine favours. Abraham goes ahead blindly to the actual point of killing Isaac. There was no self reflection about the deed other than "God can provide another son". Abraham didn't bother to confirm if it's the Devil misleading him or his mind was muddled in confusion. In his mind, the act was done. Of course God intervenes timely and praises absolute obedience. Note that Abraham might agree with Zizek that with his God all things are permitted. 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by thehomer: 4:05pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: There has to be something wrong with you. Is that all you could respond to in my post? I was talking about statistics for today you monster. Please tell me, do you think a man marrying someone he raped is punishment? Are you serious or just joking? Do you think the person who was raped would be happy living with her rapist? Do you think women living in those times were better off than women today? 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by Kay17: 4:08pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
I think morality requires self reflection. The golden rule works when a man ponders the consequences of his actions to others as well as theirs to him. And that man restrains himself from certain actions. Restraint imposed by self reflection is morality not free will or obedience. 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by thehomer: 4:10pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: I have an easier test for you. Do you think rape, genocide or slavery is right? Those are depravities certain persons think are good ideas. Persons like your God and yourself. What is your opinion of a society that condones such depravities? 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 4:19pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
Kay17: In his mind the act was done and according to Jesus that makes him a murderer liable for all the due punishment. 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by Joshthefirst(m): 4:22pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
PastorAIO:No. The idea, was to suggest to you that in your hopeless and depraved state of moral relativity you have no relevant standard to condemn anything, especially your personal standards, which are insignificant in the evolutionary scheme of things, unless you have power to make your personal standards law. |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 4:23pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
Kay17: Where I think I differ from you is that I make a distinction between Morality and Empathy. For me, Empathy is the ability to feel the joy and pain of others while Morality is a system of Values with which we esteem the world. Empathy can be highly esteemed in a moral system, or it can be given low esteem. But Morality is not based on Empathy. 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by Joshthefirst(m): 4:24pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
PastorAIO:I advise you to hire an English teacher to explain to you the difference between those words and how they apply yo the definition of rape. |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by Joshthefirst(m): 4:27pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
thehomer:The confused moral relativist doesn't even understand the irrelevant hypocrisy of his own words. |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 4:33pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: That is an interesting word to put there. Relevant? Relevant to who? My personal standards are my personal standards. My personal standards are significant and very relevant to me when I go about my day to day making MY choices in MY life. What's your point when you say my moral standards are insignificant in the evolutionary scheme of things? Your moral standards have minimum significance in the evolutionary scheme of things too. And everybody else's included your biblical Yahweh. And not just your morality but your entire life!! What do you want me to do, Kill myself because I don't have the power to make my personal standards law? The small I can do, I'll do. But I can't kill myself. 2 Likes |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by Joshthefirst(m): 4:34pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
cloudgoddess:LoL. I strongly suggest you run along back to your fairly land in the clouds and revise your homework so that you won't run back there with your cloudy tail between your legs when someone takes you up as usual. Mtchew. |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 4:36pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: Well done, you are finally managing to exercise restraint. Normally at this point I would expect a harsher invective. I take it that you realise that the woman who was seized was raped and that that is a totally different scenario from the woman who was seduced. 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by Joshthefirst(m): 4:39pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
PastorAIO:Jolly good. But don't come weeping when someone like hitler actually gets power and following to establish his extreme moral standards and dominate yours completely as a result of your dangerously hypocritical and foolish thinking. |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by Joshthefirst(m): 4:43pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer:Do you mean what I mean by truth? |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by Joshthefirst(m): 5:05pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
PastorAIO:Did you read the link I posted? Do good to read it. |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 5:14pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: I'll be just as worried if someone like you gets political power. What is hypocritical about what I've said? Hypocrisy is a double standard. Like claiming Rape is wrong but Your God that commands it is paragon of Good. 3 Likes |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 5:14pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: If there is anything relevant in the link you can copy and paste it. |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by Joshthefirst(m): 5:15pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
Kay17:different men have different actions deemed worthy of restraint. |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by dblackninja: 5:17pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
PastorAIO: KingEbukasBlog: I haven't seen KingEbukasBlog being speechless before- no matter how silly he sounds he always have a reply. See how smoke is emitting from his head - that's what happens when reality sets in 3 Likes 2 Shares |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 5:28pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
dblackninja: LOL! you're right, I didn't realise. Those are fumes emitting out of his head. lol. 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by thehomer: 5:42pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: Not true. I know that rape and genocide are bad ideas. You think they are good ideas. Please show me the hypocrisy. |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by Joshthefirst(m): 6:09pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
thehomer:How do you know rape and genocide are bad ideas? |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by Kay17: 6:21pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Empathy is inherently irrational and emotional. It could be false in the sense that you imagine the pain you think another person is going through whereas they aren't. I agree morality is attached to values, but what is indeed a value is decided by self reflection. If you read Socrates' arguments on morals, you would find him dissecting traditional values and replacing them with others or in other cases, elevating them, with reasoning and self reflection. If it is necessary values are as systematic as possible. There is this famous Hindu or Vidas passage on duty. A nobleman is on the battlefield, anticipating a battle with his kinsmen and family. And I think Krishna disguises himself as his charioteer, and advises him on the importance of duty. Krishna acts as a conscience, as an inner mouthpiece. At the end of the day, the nobleman satisfied with his inner debate, acts. I can not remember the names of these characters. Or reference the particular passage. Can a system of values be created without self consciousness? I doubt it. 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by Kay17: 6:24pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: Do you endorse necessary evils? Like Jesus's sacrifice? 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 6:32pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
Kay17: Bhagavad Gita. Arjuna and Lord Krishna. Depends on what you mean by self consciousness. There is self awareness as a member within a social setting. There is what I call Pure Consciousness. There is what I call Consciousness with associated attributes. Perhaps it's the other way around and self consciousness (as a member of a social setting) emerges from contemplation of Values. |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:57pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Im not sure what you are trying to disprove . The so called non virgins were married before . Ruth and Bathsheba were widows . David had to pay dearly for his actions - forcefully making her a widow by killing her husband Uriah . You just quote unrelated biblical texts and funny enough you dont have any explanations for your actions . Are you trying to impress we Christians or what |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 6:59pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
dblackninja: I was not speechless , I can never be . I was trying to leave a college building . The smiley was just to show that he made no sense and his nonsense would be crushed as usual . |
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