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Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:01pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
plaetton: This is my second response to your post sir . So can you answer the question or will you resort to circumlocution as usual . |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:03pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
thehomer: I have answered this question . Follow a thread meticulously and stop asking one question in a different way |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 7:03pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: I'm disproving your daft claim that in the biblical days no one wanted to marry a non-virgin. Ruth and Bathsheba were not virgins yet they got married. Furthermore, the bible gives laws for remarriage after divorce. Who were those laws for if not non-virgins. Hence Non-virgins got married well well in those biblical days. and they weren't 'so-called non-virgins'. They WERE non-virgins. KingEbukasBlog: The texts I quoted were directly related to that dumb claim you pulled out of your backside that no one married nonvirgins in those days. There are many more things that you pulled out of that backside but I ignored it cos I'm used to you guys making things up as you go along even up to the point of directly contradicting the bible itself. 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by thehomer: 7:04pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: Because they're simply harmful to the victims. How do you know rape and genocide are good ideas? Is it because your God commanded them? 2 Likes |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:05pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Ok then provide a pertinent response to my question . I dont like answering your questions and no one answers mine . |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by thehomer: 7:06pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: No you never answerd them. If you did, please answer them in your next response. I'll repeat the questions below. You can copy and paste your "appropriate" answer to them. Please tell me, do you think a man marrying someone he raped is punishment? Are you serious or just joking? Do you think the person who was raped would be happy living with her rapist? Do you think women living in those times were better off than women today? 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:08pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Seriously this is puerile . Who on earth does not that I was referring to single women . So the reason for your epistle was to point out to me that I omitted the word "single" or failed to specify the type of women I was referring to . You go soon chop e-slap now |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by thehomer: 7:09pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: If someone was a virgin when they were married to one husband, if they get a divorce or that husband dies, they won't be virgins to the next person they marry. Is this news to you? 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:10pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
thehomer: This was to PastorAIO KingEbukasBlog: |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:11pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
thehomer: I wonder how this is a problem brother thehomer and PastorAIO . Ok I am sorry I didn't specify it was single women being referred to . We cool ? |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:15pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
thehomer: No bro . Answer my question first . Surely I will answer yours |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by thehomer: 7:15pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Again, you didn't answer my question. Which line in that wasted post answers this particular question. Please tell me, do you think a man marrying someone he raped is punishment? You never said whether or not you thought it was punishment fitting the crime. Which line or lines answer the follow up questions. Do you think the person who was raped would be happy living with her rapist? Do you think women living in those times were better off than women today? Would the victim be happy to remain with the rapist? Were women back then better off than today? These are plain and simple questions that you just find so difficult answering. Please answer what was asked rather than posting a long and irrelevant response to someone else. You declared you had answered them. Please actually answer them. 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by thehomer: 7:17pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Simply state you were wrong with regards to your assumption on the marriage of virgins. 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:17pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
Joshthefirst: I have asked this question in different ways and they keep evading them . PastorAIO , plaetton , Kay17 , thehomer be bold and accept you dont know . No one gets mocked - that was my intention before though 2 Likes |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by thehomer: 7:18pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: You haven't answered my questions while I've answered yours. Please give direct answers to my questions. |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by thehomer: 7:22pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: I answered that question and posed mine. For some reason, you people seem unable to answer my questions even when you read my response in the very same post. My full response to that question follows. Please answer my own question in there since I answered his question. Because they're simply harmful to the victims. How do you know rape and genocide are good ideas? Is it because your God commanded them? 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 7:36pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: You are cursing yourself. you can never be speechless. James 1:26 26 If anyone thinks he is religious and does not bridle his tongue but deceives his heart, this person's religion is worthless. Proverbs 21:23 23 Whoever keeps his mouth and his tongue keeps himself out of trouble. So those fumes emitting from your head were to show me that you would crush me. Then what did you mean by this: KingEbukasBlog:One rebuts an argument so in fact those smokey emissions were your best argument. Otherwise why did you call my response a rebuttal? KingEbukasBlog: What question? You didn't ask any question that I didn't answer. You just started telling me some poo about your morality which I didn't ask you about and I wasn't interested in. KingEbukasBlog: No, in fact I was fully aware that you were NOT talking about single women because some of the bible verses we were discussing gave instances of the rape of women who were betrothed. You said no one wants to marry a non-virgin so the best solution is to give her to the rapist to marry. But you forgot that you also said that the victim was not culpable in the crime. |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:38pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
thehomer: I guess you just glanced through . Ok . Deuteronomy 22 : 28
There are two punishments - if the woman is betrothed and if she is not . If she is the former , the man gets death and if she is the later the man gets married to the woman and pays the dad 50 shekels of silver .From my research that's $420.98 ( 130 k naira ) . I think the fine is a pretty heavy punishment considering that they were nomads whose source of living came from the produce of their livestock. If the woman refuses to marry him then she will be desolate in her father's house till she dies because as I mentioned earlier , no man would marry her because she has been defiled . And if the coi.tus produced a kid - he/she remains a bastard , rejected by the society and he has no right of inheritance . You never said whether or not you thought it was punishment fitting the crime. Which line or lines answer the follow up questions. Do you think the person who was raped would be happy living with her rapist? Do you think women living in those times were better off than women today? The couple - the defiler and the defiled - are obligated to be in love as a married couple - a commandment by God . God 's law admonishes the Israelites to forgive , so its rational to assume that she must have forgiven her man for the love and respect she has for God and will learn to love him as commanded by God . The above is not preposterous because indeed some women today can marry those who raped them and have forgiven their fathers who defiled. |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 7:46pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
PastorAIO: PastorAIO strikes again 1. The first verse is talking about true and false religion . False religion deviates from the teachings of Christ . 2. The second verse is talking about a garrulous person . And when I mean speechless I mean I can never be outwitted in an argument . |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by thehomer: 7:59pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: You think a rapist paying the victim's father 130,000 naira is punishment enough for the crime of rape. Thank you for your honesty. I'm glad I don't live in the sort of society you want to live in. How about when the rape victims were captured in wars and their father had been killed by the rapist? What do you think should happen in this circumstance? [s]You never said whether or not you thought it was punishment fitting the crime. Which line or lines answer the follow up questions.[/s] KingEbukasBlog: You also think that it is good for the rapist and his victim to live togeher and your God commanding love is the best of all things that could happen. My goodness the depth of your depravity is something else. You think that rape victims would be happy to live with their rapists and that God should make it so. You seem to think that this too would have been the best possible situation for all concerned. What happens when the rape victim was captured in a war and watched her parents and brothers killed by this rapist? You think the solution should be that they must love each other. Wow. To see people in 2016 think this way and rationalize all sorts of evil because it was written in some book. Honestly you're the perfect example of OP. You will permit all things because you believe in your God. You're willing to permit genocide and rape because of your God. This leads me to conclude that you will permit everything because of this God of yours. 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:02pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
thehomer: You are imposing today's morality and justice system upon that which was obtained then . That was their culture - which I explained . We all know much heavier penalties and punishments are meted to the offender today . Use your head when arguing and don't let your asinine intentions which are apparent cloud your sense of judgement . |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:09pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
PastorAIO: KingEbukasBlog: My friend pay attention to the emboldened text and answer pertinently |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by Nobody: 8:15pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog:Again, is Truth eternal? Can God's laws change? |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:17pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
sonOfLucifer: Can you elucidate. I am careful not to answer wrongly - this is not an evasion tactic |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 8:19pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: KingEbukasBlog: PastorAIO: Pay attention to the thread PastorAIO: |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by thehomer: 8:21pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Which is it? Their culture or the laws of a good God? Use your head when you try to defend atrocities. You think those commands from God were good. I point out that they're evil and you claim God had nothing to do with it all along? You're one very deluded fellow. 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:30pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
thehomer: I am not deluded . You guys use that word mostly when it does not befit the context Anyway . There is a difference between Judaism and Christianity . Christ came with a much better package for us and we adhere to his teachings . E.g he stopped the stoning of the adulterous woman . Atheists stick to Judaism because it buttresses their unbelief and condemn the practice then call Christians deluded . Why is it that you guys never deal with the exegesis of New Testament texts . |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:39pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
PastorAIO: Oh Oh ... so wait ... so you found morality in you and obviously dont care how it got there and the abortion-prostitution-homosexuality argument should not be addressed . You really do protect your unbelief . Its like you are scared you are wrong and don't want to be humiliated by Christians . I enjoy putting the atheist in a quagmire though |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by PastorAIO: 8:46pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: I 'obviously don't care how it gets there'? Where did I say that? Do I sound like someone that doesn't care about how morality got to be an intrinsic part of me? The abortion homosexuality angle has nothing to do with the issues of this thread and you are bringing it up to deflect away from the pertinent points being made in your disfavour. If you can show me how it is pertinent to the OP then I will give you an answer. you keep referring to me as an atheist and I do not bother to respond because I know that it is another distracting technique. Let me just say that I am an atheist with regards to YOUR GOD CONCEPT. I'm sure that you know that but I want to spell it out for anyone else reading. Shalom |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by cloudgoddess(f): 8:49pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
Joshthefirst:What does this even mean? 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by thehomer: 8:59pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
KingEbukasBlog: Delusion A false belief that is resistant to confrontation with actual facts. You are actually deluded when you try to separate those passages from that God. When you think evil is good, you're deluded. KingEbukasBlog: Irrelevant. Isn't the entire Bible inspired by your God? Or are you saying that your God is now schizophrenic? He was terrible in the Old Testament times but invented torture in hell just for us in the New Testament? 1 Like |
Re: Dialectics Of Violence And Morality by KingEbukasBlog(m): 9:00pm On Apr 04, 2016 |
PastorAIO: You guys kept denying that God is not the giver of moral laws . Then I constructed the question to know what/who is the source of moral laws for an atheist . If you are not an atheist - in the general sense - what are you ? Humanist , materialist , agnostic , nihilist etc |
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