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Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by winner01(m): 10:38pm On Jan 16, 2016

frank317:
What makes a person who makes phone and drugs a scientist?

Once you can answer that, u will know what makes an evolutionist a scientist.

Accepting one and rejecting the other is what I call hypocrisy... Or deliberate ignorance.

If you make phone,u are a scientist.
If you are an evolutionist u are a scientist.

So atheists made phones, drugs and the internet? grin

Why are you trying to separate christianity and science? Dont you have other places to hide your naked head?

When i refute evolutionists, im not refuting all scientists so why did you have to bring phones and drugs into this? Why do you have to run under the shade of inventors and innovators?.
MUst you be unstable? grin

So i cant reject evolution and accept sane scientists who made phones, drugs etc. wtf is wrong with this clown? grin

You can as well tell me to drown my phone in your desperation to separate me and science since i dont believe in evolution.

Is this a joke? grin

frank317:
Criticising evolutionists is also criticising scientists. If you feel the theory of evolution is faulty... Come up with an opposing theory after you have done ur own research or forever shut up and keep ur ignorance to urself.
Or u show link of already cunduxtedw research that proved it wrong

Haha. What is wrong with you? Criticizing evolution is criticizing some scientists not all scientists. Hell, there are thousands of scientists that dont believe in the evolution theory.

And phones and drug makers definitely aren't evolutionists. I have a friend that works on drugs, he's not an evolutionist.
Keep trying, atheism is still not science.

How can i keep my ignorance to myself on a religion section undecided

. I think it is you that should keep your ignorance to yourself. And which research proved evolution right in the first place? undecided

Lack of transitional fossils?
undecided

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Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 11:12pm On Jan 16, 2016

winner01:
So atheists made phones, drugs and the internet?
Why are you trying to separate christianity and science? Dont you have other places to hide your naked head?

When i refute evolutionists, im not refuting all scientists so why did you have to bring phones and drugs into this? Why do you have to run under the shade of inventors and innovators?.
MUst you be unstable?

So i cant reject evolution and accept sane scientists who made phones, drugs etc. wtf is wrong with this clown?
You can as well tell me to drown my phone in your desperation to separate me and science since i dont believe in evolution.

Is this a joke?
Haha. What is wrong with you? Criticizing evolution is criticizing some scientists not all scientists. Hell, there are thousands of scientists that dont believe in the evolution theory.

And phones and drug makers definitely aren't evolutionists. I have a friend that works on drugs, he's not an evolutionist.
Keep trying, atheism is still not science.

How can i keep my ignorance to myself on a religion section . I think it is you that should keep your ignorance to yourself. And which research proved evolution right in the first place?
Lack of transitional fossils?

Ive told this hominid that anyone who simply supports/believes the theory of Evolution is an evolutionist - even if its a toddler . Scientists supposedly have a full knowledge of evolution but it does not automatically make them evolutionists .

I wonder why evolution left Frank317 behind , oh wait there is no such thing as it .

Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by Nobody: 11:17pm On Jan 16, 2016

oglalasioux:
I'm relieved that you are speaking for yourself alone. Others believe once they have committed unprintable atrocities they will simply give their lives to Jesus and 'say this simple prayer' and their sins forgiven.
But once a man doesn't 'give his life to Christ', no matter how good the man is, he will burn in hell. It's nothing but religious doublespeak.

it is true that a man who does not 'give his life to Jesus'( no matter how 'good' he may be) will burn in hell forever... because 'ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God'(Rom3:23) Sin rightly belongs to hell, and there is no man without some sin(s). every man who has a sin needs Jesus:
'For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit'(1 pet 3:18)

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Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by Nobody: 11:25pm On Jan 16, 2016*

oglalasioux:
I'm relieved that you are speaking for yourself alone. Others believe once they have committed unprintable atrocities they will simply give their lives to Jesus and 'say this simple prayer' and their sins forgiven. But once a man doesn't 'give his life to Christ', no matter how good the man is, he will burn in hell. It's nothing but religious doublespeak.

'simply give their lives' as u said, is easier said than done. 'God cannot be mocked'(Gal 6:7). man looks at the outward appearance but God looks at the heart.(1 Sam 16:7).
so except their is remorse and a sincere repentance, sins are not forgiven. You'd agree agree that even a human judicial court 'd not acquit a criminal who vows when released to go back to the same thing. neither would God who ' judgest righteously, that triest the reins and the heart'( Jere 11:20).
on the other hand if a man is truly repentant, would you fault God for giving the man a second chance?

Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by winner01(m): 11:27pm On Jan 16, 2016

KingEbukasBlog:
Ive told this hominid that anyone who simply supports/believes the theory of Evolution is an evolutionist - even if its a toddler . Scientists supposedly have a full knowledge of evolution but it does not automatically make them evolutionists .

I wonder why evolution left Frank317 behind , oh wait there is no such thing as it .

Lol. He didnt evolve far enough grin

lol

Did you find the book intresting?

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Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by Nobody: 3:24am On Jan 17, 2016

Slikbae:
Iceland is a negligible country of about 300k people. A country where the majority of the population is not enlightened. I cannot base my faith on their opinion which invariably doesn't count.

Iceland is not enlightened? But they have a literacy level far higher than yours!

I understand you feel the need to always put your faith above anything else, but seriously, this your attitude of "if it is not my faith, then it is wrong", is begining to sound dumber by the day.

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Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by frank317: 7:23am On Jan 17, 2016

winner01:
So atheists made phones, drugs and the internet?
Why are you trying to separate christianity and science? Dont you have other places to hide your naked head?

When i refute evolutionists, im not refuting all scientists so why did you have to bring phones and drugs into this? Why do you have to run under the shade of inventors and innovators?.
MUst you be unstable?

So i cant reject evolution and accept sane scientists who made phones, drugs etc. wtf is wrong with this clown?
You can as well tell me to drown my phone in your desperation to separate me and science since i dont believe in evolution.

Is this a joke?
Haha. What is wrong with you? Criticizing evolution is criticizing some scientists not all scientists. Hell, there are thousands of scientists that dont believe in the evolution theory.

And phones and drug makers definitely aren't evolutionists. I have a friend that works on drugs, he's not an evolutionist.
Keep trying, atheism is still not science.

How can i keep my ignorance to myself on a religion section . I think it is you that should keep your ignorance to yourself. And which research proved evolution right in the first place?
Lack of transitional fossils?

In order words, you are chosing some science and rejecting some? You are chosing ones that makes sense to you and rejecting others.

Now get this into your thick skull... The same science that came up with so many innovations you find interesting is the same science that came up with evolution.

Science has got nothing to do with christianity. Science has got nothing to do with talking snakes, and virgin births.

Science is more about a systematic investigation to understand better, the history of the natural world and how the world works with OBSERVABLE PHYSICAL EVIDENCE as the basis for understanding.

Christianity, according to ebuka and vooks, is the assumption that the world has a creator and this creator must be worshipped and given ten percent of your salary. This creator must be be believed by FAITH!!!. Is praying to an invisible God for healing science?

seriously are u guy so daft? Is Christianity all about denial?

Anyway... Evolutionists are scientists. Can you reject a medical scientist and accept technologist? Isn't doing that the highest form of stupidity?

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Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by Nobody: 7:25am On Jan 17, 2016

@ oglalasioux

shalom.

Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by oglalasioux(m): 7:47am On Jan 17, 2016

accountable01:
it is true that a man who does not 'give his life to Jesus'( no matter how 'good' he may be) will burn in hell forever... because 'ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God'(Rom3:23) Sin rightly belongs to hell, and there is no man without some sin(s). every man who has a sin needs Jesus:
'For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit'(1 pet 3:18)

All have sinned. What sin? Adam and Eve? Garden of Eden? Please come up with a better explanation of what constitutes a sin that is so programmed that no matter how good a man is he must accept Jesus to be saved.

Christianity came to Africa 300 years ago. Man have been living in Africa for at least 100 thousand years. You are telling me 100 thousand years will go up in smoke because of a gospel heard for the first time just 300 years ago.

According to your bible the Adamic sin is the doom of mankind. Check it out; do you think God will make a mistake from the very beginning? Why would God put a forbidden tree right in the middle of the garden to tempt man from the very beginning? And this battle of 'good' versus 'evil' has been on for 6000 years since creation as stated by the bible.

Imagine God creating the earth and creating a heaven and a hell. Creating hell means he already knew they would be sin. So why all the noise about believing in a Christ to be saved when everything has been predestined to be so?

The writers of the bible and Koran are nothing but copiers of Sumerian creation fables that don't hold any water in today's world. It might have been important in their days but as of today we have to own up and live up.

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Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by oglalasioux(m): 7:51am On Jan 17, 2016

accountable01:
@ oglalasioux

shalom.

Good morning

Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by KingEbukasBlog(m): 8:11am On Jan 17, 2016

winner01:
Lol. He didnt evolve far enough lol

Did you find the book intresting?

Lmao

Yeah its interesting ... not finished tho

Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by Nobody: 3:11pm On Jan 17, 2016

oglalasioux:
All have sinned. What sin? Adam and Eve? Garden of Eden? Please come up with a better explanation of what constitutes a sin that is so programmed that no matter how good a man is he must accept Jesus to be saved.

If we agree that God created the universe, Don't you think that He, at least, has a right to decide what He wants His world to look like. if he created us, hasn't he some right to determine what is right or wrong actions? do u not reasonably expect ur son (whom though, u did not create) to abide by certain rules?

sin : An immoral act considered to be a transgression against divine law( oxforddictionaries.com)
sin contradicts the very nature of God.

oglalasioux:
Christianity came to Africa 300 years ago. Man have been living in Africa for at least 100 thousand years. You are telling me 100 thousand years will go up in smoke because of a gospel heard for the first time just 300 years ago.

no it does not go up in smoke. * "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent"(acts 17:30). God will not require u to produce what he did not provide.

oglalasioux:
According to your bible the Adamic sin is the doom of mankind. Check it out; do you think God will make a mistake from the very beginning? Why would God put a forbidden tree right in the middle of the garden to tempt man from the very beginning? And this battle of 'good' versus 'evil' has been on for 6000 years since creation as stated by the bible.

no God did not make a mistake.

"And out of the ground made the LORD God to grow every tree that is pleasant to the sight, and good for food; the tree of life also in the midst of the garden, and the tree of knowledge of good and evil"(Gen 2:9)

"But of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it: for in the day that thou eatest thereof thou shalt surely die."( Gen 2:17).
note that of all(may be hundreds, may be more) the trees in the garden, two trees are specifically mentioned by name. if eating the tree of the knowledge of good and evil carried the penalty of death, what about eating of the tree of life?

"And the LORD God said, Behold, the man is become as one of us, to know good and evil: and now, lest he put forth his hand, and take also of the tree of life, and eat, and live for ever "( Gen 3:22)

so if they had eaten of the tree of life( of which they were not commanded not to eat) they would have lived forever.
God did not orchestrate and predestinated doom for Adam as u r suggested, adam actually had higher( at least an equal) chance of 'living forever'.

oglalasioux:
Imagine God creating the earth and creating a heaven and a hell. Creating hell means he already knew they would be sin. So why all the noise about believing in a Christ to be saved when everything has been predestined to be so?

it is not exactly that way sir,

Matthew 25:41
“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire PREPARED FOR THE DEVIL AND HIS ANGELS"
note the capitalized. it is only just that those who have rejected God and chosen the part of Satan should share his fate. God didn't create hell with man in mind.

oglalasioux:
The writers of the bible and Koran are nothing but copiers of Sumerian creation fables that don't hold any water in today's world. It might have been important in their days but as of today we have to own up and live up.

hmm! ur personal opinion I guess. u r completely entitled to it.

Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by EreluY(op): 4:49am On Jan 21, 2016

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Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by EreluY(op): 5:29am On Jan 21, 2016*

[b]I am reading what clueless Nigerian religionists engaging in argumentum ad ignorantiam and, therefore, displaying nothing but their colonial mentality are spewing here on this thread and simply laughing. In the same token, I am thoroughly impressed by the counter arguments. Well done guys. Time and again, I have said more than enough on various threads on this site, maintaining consistently, that the whole enterprise of religion is a farce.

The bible is nothing but a fraud. Why? To summarise the complex argument, the Old Testament is a collection of aspects of Hebrew history interspersed by ancient Mesopotamian folklores and mythology. There is nothing wrong with folklores and mythology. They are deployed in moralising people into the norms and mores of any societies. Problem, however, emerges when myths and folklores (including any opus containing these) are suddenly ascribed the status of 'truth'. This is the problem with the bible. Those who are deeply knowledgeable about the canonisation of the New Testament know about the falsified attribution of the authorships of the gospels and the epistles as well as the unreliability of Johannine apocalypse. Quintessentially, religious truth claims which derive from canonised and uncanonised scriptures, including the idea of God itself, remain unverifiable and unfalsifiable propositions.

Elsewhere on this site, I extensively discussed the fact that the most religious societies in the world, including Nigeria, Afghanistan, Pakistan, etc, are the most economically deprived and the most corrupt countries in the world (evidencing irreligiosity and exhibiting hypocrisy). Conversely, the least religious countries in the world, typically the Nordic countries (Sweden, Iceland, Norway, etc) are the richest and least corrupt countries in the world with lowest crime rates. Quintessentially, this has led me to conclude that morality is logically independent of religiosity. Any wonder, Marx famously noted that religion is the opium of the [depraved, proletariat] masses.[/b]

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Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by CoolUsername: 1:41pm On Jan 21, 2016

winner01:
Lack of transitional fossils?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archaeopteryx

Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by KweenSisan(f): 2:24pm On Apr 05, 2016

Swithrts swithrts swithrts...lets not argue this further...what u say or think from now till forever..can never change the truth...but for those who dnt believe there's a God..one advice though..I WOULD RATHER LIVE LIKE THERE IS A GOD AND DIE TO FIND OUT THERE ISN'T..THAN LIVE LIKE THERE IS NO GOD...and DIE TO FIND OUT THERE IS..now whether ure from Europe or wherever..in Nigeria..we call such..Gobe!...he that has ears...

Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by EreluY(op): 8:27pm On Apr 08, 2016

KweenSisan:
Swithrts swithrts swithrts...lets not argue this further...what u say or think from now till forever..can never change the truth...but for those who dnt believe there's a God..one advice though..I WOULD RATHER LIVE LIKE THERE IS A GOD AND DIE TO FIND OUT THERE ISN'T..THAN LIVE LIKE THERE IS NO GOD...and DIE TO FIND OUT THERE IS..now whether ure from Europe or wherever..in Nigeria..we call such..Gobe!...he that has ears...

[size=18pt]Argumentatum ad ignoramus.[/size]

Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by CAPSLOCKED: 12:03am On Jul 05, 2016

Tocheagle:
One Day They Will Be Forced To Acknowledge Their creator

WHATEVER HAPPENED TO FREE WILL?

CHRISTIANITY AND BULLYING THOUGH... undecided

Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by abdulwastecx(m): 7:38am On Jul 05, 2016

KingEbukasBlog:
Please who/what bestowed man with that intelligence and even the dexterity to achieve spectacular designs and innovations

I can't really really think of a better word to describe how absurd you sound when you are trying to defend your god and religion.

Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by waka2: 10:40pm On Jul 05, 2016

May the lord in His mercy reveal Himself to you all who does not beleive in His existence and make us His disciple know Him more in jesus name.(amen) byebye

Re: God Is Dead - The Abandonment Of Faith In Europe. by neocortex: 3:34pm On Jul 10, 2016

Summary of your post:

we in Nigeria should abandon God because people in iceland don't believe in Him.
Because some young delinquents in iceland say that God does not exist, we should do same.
Naah! No way.

"Eighty and six years have I served Christ, nor has He ever done me any harm. How, then, could I blaspheme my King who saved Me?....I bless Thee for deigning me worthy of this day and this hour that I may be among Thy martyrs and drink the cup of my Lord Jesus Christ"
Polycarp

"Let us, therefore, foresake the vanity of the crowd and their false teachings, and turn back to the word delivered to us from the beginning"
Polycarp

If Africans could discard their traditional faith because the whites brought christianity and
Islam why shouldn't they do that now ?

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