wolfslair:
Once a ranch is set in place, mosque is loading, once mosque is loaded, emir is loading, if emir is loaded, you can call it kwara










long live kanu

BudeYahooCom:


The reason why you support fulani is simple-Islam. You and OP are known muslim. You yoruba muslims cab dash your land but fulanis will not be guaranteed any safety if they try taking people's land in the East, whether backed by the Fulani Govt or not.

joborskill:
[color=#550000][size=11pt][i][b]I laugh at the ignorance displayed by many emotionally clouded Nigerians who are against the grazing bill proposed for the Fulani cattle rearers in all states of the Federation. Let's remember that like every other Nigerians, the Fulani's have the right to live and do their business in any part of the country. It is their constitutional right as Nigerians to own grazing fields in any choice location of the country so far it is paid for

PassingShot:
OP, you've made good points and I wholeheartedly support the grazing bill.

Those who oppose the bill, can you please suggest an alternative to ending the continuous clashes between the farmers and Fulani herdsmen?

What the govt is attempting to do is what is obtainable in developed countries of the world. You do not see their cattle farmers with their cattle on the street.

odikimi:

I know it is a good bill provided the bill doesn't extend to the SS/SE. U guys from the West and North can accept because u guys celebrate murder. We will not accept this bill. Will the North agree for a similar bill that will allow Southerners access to free land in the North?
Let the Senate pass a bill that will allow the Southerners sell dry gin in the North by allocating free land as Market. Rubbish!!!

NOETHNICITY:
Yes o my brother! I don't knw why d SE cannot allow d SS decide their own future! D SEners re jus attaching themlevs as if they came to earth sametime wit SSners!

madenigga:

Any herdsmen caught disturbing the peace of d couhtry shud be crushed.
You people could shoot at armless peaceful protesters, but bunch of people with guns u re trying to negotiate with them.
Is carrying of guns nd fire arms legal in this country.

macluvph1:


And who told you that the cattle bought from fulani men are not infected with trypanosomiasis or other diseases. is it because our government system is not working or is ineffectual/ineffective if not vertenary doctors need to examine the cows before we buy them.

Then as for the so called fake drugs you were emphasizing about Igbo's, didn't kwakwanso confiscate and close down their shops and they were forced to relocate to the east but the worst of it all is that at a point Kwakwanso started witch hunting both the genuine drug dealers and the fake ones, that made so many southerners to go back home.

Then common sense is the drugs sellers are on their own na u find them go, but Fulani herdsmen na dem find you come your house even kill,rape and kidnap u join if you are alive. the difference is you can control the act of igbo man by not patrosing him but you can't control that of fulani.

joborskill:



SE are parasites to the SS. they are after their oil. assuming all the oil is in igboland, they will deny the SS they claim to love so much now

PassingShot:




Una beat chest pass this during election.

Una boast pass this about Dilector Kanu.

na so so boast una sabi.

Make we dey watch.

PassingShot:

Common sense is not common and I've known that long ago.

Can you tell me the reason I want Dasuki and Saraki jailed (both Muslims) while you and your fellow Christians such as Chukwudi44 want them not even prosecuted?

I hate dealing with dolts!

joborskill:
[s][/s]



u said more than this when PMB transferred boko prisoners to the east. Nothing u can do. the fulanis are gonna feed their cattles in the south east

joborskill:



Go to the next saraki thread to defend him as usual. When the FG is ready to Present the bill it shall be signed into law and the fulanis will have their way

coolscott:

[size=13pt]When the bill is passed, you say, it will be a crime for the cattle herders to graze cattle anywhere else.

But Wait a minute. I thought it was already a crime for people to kill other innocent people, unprovoked.

Isn't it the right thing to clamp down on the known/identified culprits?

Okay, some gun-carrying herdsmen don't have respect for our already existing laws and you think creating a grazing bill will suddenly make them start respecting the already existing laws which makes killing people a crime?

If these people are rustlers and not Fulani herdsmen, then we do not need any new laws or bills to protect the honest Fulani herdsmen. We just need to enforce the existing laws that has made what these killers have done a crime and then we will be truly one sane Nigeria, knowing that when crimes are committed, and the perpetrators are known, they will be made to pay for it.

Some killers kill around and instead of bringing them to book you say "we therefore now have to allocate lands to the Fulani in every state of the federation".

How sensible.[/size]

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joborskill:



u call IPOB terrorists peaceful protesters have ur head examined kanu instructed them to kill yoruba and fulanis. they are worse than boko haram

santos247:
This OP missed a lots of point in his advocacy for Grazzing fields for cattle herders.
1. tell me a single country where their livestock production depends on peasant and pastoral normads and acheive self sufficiency in mmeat production? Botswana is the only major exporter of meat to EU in Africa and yet all their cattle production is based on sendentary systems (not roaing of cattle across miles of distance)
2. If the Fulani man has every right to graze in every part of Nigeria, i want to start pork production and i want my pigs to graze the fields in Kano, Sokoto and Katsina.. I will develop a system where my pigs will feed on fresh grass of the Kano emirate and produce good quality meat. . Dont i have that right too??
3. Cattle production is just a bussiness venture like Poultry, pig, Fish farming etc. Every prospective farmer must acquire land from existing land systems in the respective locations and abide by every existing local laws.
4. How much tax do the CAttle rearers pay to the natonal purse from their sales of cattle
Government should ban in totalty the roaming of cattle in Nigeria. In South Africa, every farmer acquires large expanse of land and graze their animals within that territory. Why is it different in Nigeria
I am an animal scientist and i know the dynamics of the present system. We cant not continue this way for long. Government must forget about the ethnic and religious sentiments to move this country forward

joborskill:




have u ever heard of any one dying as a result of eating fulani cattle? same cannot be said of several igbo traders killings people with fake drugs

madenigga:
I dont know how i ended up even participating in such a stup1d thread.
IF YOU ARE JOBLESS ABEG STAY YOUR LANE.

meccuno:
classic!! Are you related to robert mugabe? Lolz!!

coolscott:

[size=13pt]When the bill is passed, you say, it will be a crime for the cattle herders to graze cattle anywhere else.

But Wait a minute. I thought it was already a crime for people to kill other innocent people, unprovoked.

Isn't it the right thing to clamp down on the known/identified culprits?

Okay, some gun-carrying herdsmen don't have respect for our already existing laws and you think creating a grazing bill will suddenly make them start respecting the already existing laws which makes killing people a crime?

If these people are rustlers and not Fulani herdsmen, then we do not need any new laws or bills to protect the honest Fulani herdsmen. We just need to enforce the existing laws that has made what these killers have done a crime and then we will be truly one sane Nigeria, knowing that when crimes are committed, and the perpetrators are known, they will be made to pay for it.

Some killers kill around and instead of bringing them to book you say "we therefore now have to allocate lands to the Fulani in every state of the federation".

How sensible.[/size]

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joborskill:
[s][/s]


The fulanis are your brothers. stop been a bigot

It is not about brotherhood, it is about equity and fairness, I will start with what I support to what I don't support.
Let us start with the violence that necessitated the bill, the nomads roam into a vegetable farm, perhaps all the produce is not worth up to 50k, what do they do? instead of seizing the cattle and negotiating with the nomads they will kill the cattle, now tell me, how is that fair? you lost 50k and you slaughter 250k, because the Fulani herdsmen are outnumbered, they retreat and return with a reprisal according to the Justice Joseph Gbadeyan Judicial Commission of Inquiry.
I have seen where they gave a cattle to a group of farmers who they destroyed their farms because of the farmer's approach, in other communities, they would have slaughtered more than they lost.
Do you burn down the vehicle that hit your car? even the one that knocked down your child, do you burn down the vehicle? that is exactly what the so called farmers do and expect us to sympathize with them.

There is no amount of damage that can not be negotiated, from the one I witnessed, the nomads did not own the cattles, rather, they had to call an Alahaji who reviewed the terms before agreeing to the deal, how many communities have approached it this way? Never!! but they are the first to run to the media to scream massacre, the twist to this part is that according to Justice Joseph Gbadeyan Judicial Commission of Inquiry, the nomads don't come to the village to kill people, they are coming to destroy your properties as you destroyed theirs (cattle).
A herd of 4 cattle of 250k is 1m, what is the worth of a farmer's house? the farmer becomes a victim when he tries to protect the house.

The so called grazing fields are no solution either, will you allow the government to assign your family house to Dangote to build a warehouse? if your answer is no, then the proposal is as dumb as the person who drafted it.
According to the land use act of this country, the ownership of land is vested solely on the government, but under some certain terms of compensation, the big question is; why will the government use taxpayers money to satisfy the business of a microscopic few?

I think the best solution is for the federal ministry of Agriculture to do their Job, they should not always concentrate on sharing fertilizers as if that was the sole aim of setting up the ministry, the cattle rearers on a commercial scale must be registered and there should be requirements for the registration, if you don't have grazing fields, you have no business raising cattle. One may downgrade to goat or sheep till he is ready.
Who is

Dept of Pet resources does not sell products to everybody, you need a DPR license before you sell petroleum products same with other monitoring agencies, why will herdsmen not be registered? I see a herd of 50 cows, multiply by 250k or 300k (depending on size), 12.5m is higher than the investment capital of most people who meet government requirements for their businesses, why not the herds men?

Finally, Nigerians don't seem to know the difference between a nomad and a rustler, just like most Igbos think that Berom people are northerners , I laugh when I hear ignorant people who say nomads wield Ak rifles, as a matter of fact, the riffle is meant for the nomad who is expected to lose his cattle to them, because the cattle was stolen, they will never use the normal nomadic route for fear of being spotted, hence they pass through your farms, those ones are not different from any other armed robber you have met, so the Fulani behind it is misleading.
How many Armed robbers do we know their nationalities? why do we need to know the region rustlers come from?
I will not advise my enemy to negotiate with those.

By registering them and allowing them to provide their own private ranch will make them taxable in the long run.

Emancipation:
What is wrong with all the grasslands in the North?

1) plateau state
2) rolling hills....haka Gumti
3)taraba state
4) wooded savanah in bauchi

joborskill:
[s][/s]


U think you are wiser than the FG who prefers grazing fields to ranch bah? These herders are normads who roam by their culture. You cant restrict them to ranch. They grazing bill is the best solution. lets the fulanis do their business in peace. Nobody is disturbing igbo traders in the SW and the North

jpphilips:


It is not about brotherhood, it is about equity and fairness, I will start with what I support to what I don't support.
Let us start with the violence that necessitated the bill, the nomads roam into a vegetable farm, perhaps all the produce is not worth up to 50k, what do they do? instead of seizing the cattle and negotiating with the nomads they will kill the cattle, now tell me, how is that fair? you lost 50k and you slaughter 250k, because the Fulani herdsmen are outnumbered, they retreat and return with a reprisal according to the Justice Joseph Gbadeyan Judicial Commission of Inquiry.
I have seen where they gave a cattle to a group of farmers who they destroyed their farms because of the farmer's approach, in other communities, they would have slaughtered more than they lost.
Do you burn down the vehicle that hit your car? even the one that knocked down your child, do you burn down the vehicle? that is exactly what the so called farmers do and expect us to sympathize with them.

There is no amount of damage that can not be negotiated, from the one I witnessed, the nomads did not own the cattles, rather, they had to call an Alahaji who reviewed the terms before agreeing to the deal, how many communities have approached it this way? Never!! but they are the first to run to the media to scream massacre, the twist to this part is that according to Justice Joseph Gbadeyan Judicial Commission of Inquiry, the nomads don't come to the village to kill people, they are coming to destroy your properties as you destroyed theirs (cattle).
A herd of 4 cattle of 250k is 1m, what is the worth of a farmer's house? the farmer becomes a victim when he tries to protect the house.

The so called grazing fields are no solution either, will you allow the government to assign your family house to Dangote to build a warehouse? if your answer is no, then the proposal is as dumb as the person who drafted it.
According to the land use act of this country, the ownership of land is vested solely on the government, but under some certain terms of compensation, the big question is; why will the government use taxpayers money to satisfy the business of a microscopic few?

I think the best solution is for the federal ministry of Agriculture to do their Job, they should not always concentrate on sharing fertilizers as if that was the sole aim of setting up the ministry, the cattle rearers on a commercial scale must be registered and there should be requirements for the registration, if you don't have grazing fields, you have no business raising cattle. One may downgrade to goat or sheep till he is ready.
Who is

Dept of Pet resources does not sell products to everybody, you need a DPR license before you sell petroleum products same with other monitoring agencies, why will herdsmen not be registered? I see a herd of 50 cows, multiply by 250k or 300k (depending on size), 12.5m is higher than the investment capital of most people who meet government requirements for their businesses, why not the herds men?

Finally, Nigerians don't seem to know the difference between a nomad and a rustler, just like most Igbos think that Berom people are northerners , I laugh when I hear ignorant people who say nomads wield Ak rifles, as a matter of fact, the riffle is meant for the nomad who is expected to lose his cattle to them, because the cattle was stolen, they will never use the normal nomadic route for fear of being spotted, hence they pass through your farms, those ones are not different from any other armed robber you have met, so the Fulani behind it is misleading.
How many Armed robbers do we know their nationalities? why do we need to know the region rustlers come from?
I will not advise my enemy to negotiate with those.

By registering them and allowing them to provide their own private ranch will make them taxable in the long run.

macluvph1:



@Coolscott, don't mind @ Joborskill he knows vividly what he is trying to achieve by writing such post but all i know is that this so-called grazing bill is dead on arrival because its indirectly telling the fulani's to have a stronghold and claim to be indigens wherever apportioned to them because you can hardly control them like the real Hausa's and this will lead to indirect islamisation of the people living in that area because fulani's believe in Utman dan fodio approach so much by violently making people believe in their religion or they kill the person.

Haven't you asked yourself how fulani's came into jos, ask Plateau people they will tell you how fulani"s entered and as i type they dominate more than one LGA(they determine the who rules in that LGA),its same way of alloting a portion of land to them in plateau brought about them ransacking,killing and maiming a whole village. today they are incharge of that LGA in plateau State.

joborskill:



SE are parasites to the SS. they are after their oil. assuming all the oil is in igboland, they will deny the SS they claim to love so much now

joborskill:
[b]I laugh at the ignorance displayed by many emotionally clouded Nigerians who are against the grazing bill proposed for the Fulani cattle rearers in all states of the Federation. Let's remember that like every other Nigerians, the Fulani's have the right to live and do their business in any part of the country. It is their constitutional right as Nigerians to own grazing fields in any choice location of the country so far it is paid for or provided by the government. We ought to applaud the move made by the federal govt because it will help in ending the unnecessary violence between the Farmers and the Herdsmen. By provision of grazing fields, the fulani's will be restricted to graze on an apportioned land provided by the federal govt. It will be a crime for them to graze their cattles on people's farms once the bill is passed into law. We should not castigate every fulani herdmen as killers because of the few bad ones among them. The incidence in Agatu and other parts of the country were perpetuated by cattle rustlers and not Fulani herdsmen. Cattle rustlers are armed terrorist who steal cattles from herdsmen and graze them around the country as a cover up for their terrorist acts. The ordinary Fulani herdsmen are peaceful people and will never harm innocent Nigerians. The fulani's do not move around with weapons but sticks to guide their cattle. I observed most critics of this Bill are from the eastern part of the country. The igbos need to realize that the federal govt owns all the land and territories in Nigeria and it can decide on how it chooses to use every inch of its territory. The fulani's have every right to graze in the SE and there is nothing any one can do about it. It is their right as a Nigerian just like the igbos are the most travelled tribe doing business in every part of the country. We cannot decide to restrict all igbo traders to the east because of the attitude of few bad eggs amongst them likewise the Fulani's. Most Nigerians criticized the federal govt when they decide to create ranches and import grasses from Brazil to graze these cattles so the herder wont roam about. Now the FG is shifting plans to create a grazing site for the herders in every state which is not a bad move by all standards. We are one Nigeria and we must learn to tolerate ourselves and live in peace. We must shun the politics of hatred and tribalism. Lord Luggard saw the potentials in our diversity before merging us up to form this great country. We must not allow ethnicity to cloud our sense of judgement when the federal govt proposes law that will favour every Nigerian. We must support the grazing bill so the Fulani's can do their business in peace. BTW i am a Yoruba man from the SW. proudly Nigerian [/b]

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PassingShot:

That will mean they're not entitled to establish their business in any part of Nigeria they wish to.

It's just like asking all Igbo traders to only take their wares to other part of the country when they need to sell them. Not owning shops, factories and offices in those other parts.

Wake up to reality joor.

jpphilips:


It is not about brotherhood, it is about equity and fairness, I will start with what I support to what I don't support.
Let us start with the violence that necessitated the bill, the nomads roam into a vegetable farm, perhaps all the produce is not worth up to 50k, what do they do? instead of seizing the cattle and negotiating with the nomads they will kill the cattle, now tell me, how is that fair? you lost 50k and you slaughter 250k, because the Fulani herdsmen are outnumbered, they retreat and return with a reprisal according to the Justice Joseph Gbadeyan Judicial Commission of Inquiry.
I have seen where they gave a cattle to a group of farmers who they destroyed their farms because of the farmer's approach, in other communities, they would have slaughtered more than they lost.
Do you burn down the vehicle that hit your car? even the one that knocked down your child, do you burn down the vehicle? that is exactly what the so called farmers do and expect us to sympathize with them.







ISLAM IS A PEACEFUL RELIGION

There is no amount of damage that can not be negotiated, from the one I witnessed, the nomads did not own the cattles, rather, they had to call an Alahaji who reviewed the terms before agreeing to the deal, how many communities have approached it this way? Never!! but they are the first to run to the media to scream massacre, the twist to this part is that according to Justice Joseph Gbadeyan Judicial Commission of Inquiry, the nomads don't come to the village to kill people, they are coming to destroy your properties as you destroyed theirs (cattle).
A herd of 4 cattle of 250k is 1m, what is the worth of a farmer's house? the farmer becomes a victim when he tries to protect the house.

The so called grazing fields are no solution either, will you allow the government to assign your family house to Dangote to build a warehouse? if your answer is no, then the proposal is as dumb as the person who drafted it.
According to the land use act of this country, the ownership of land is vested solely on the government, but under some certain terms of compensation, the big question is; why will the government use taxpayers money to satisfy the business of a microscopic few?

I think the best solution is for the federal ministry of Agriculture to do their Job, they should not always concentrate on sharing fertilizers as if that was the sole aim of setting up the ministry, the cattle rearers on a commercial scale must be registered and there should be requirements for the registration, if you don't have grazing fields, you have no business raising cattle. One may downgrade to goat or sheep till he is ready.
Who is

Dept of Pet resources does not sell products to everybody, you need a DPR license before you sell petroleum products same with other monitoring agencies, why will herdsmen not be registered? I see a herd of 50 cows, multiply by 250k or 300k (depending on size), 12.5m is higher than the investment capital of most people who meet government requirements for their businesses, why not the herds men?

Finally, Nigerians don't seem to know the difference between a nomad and a rustler, just like most Igbos think that Berom people are northerners , I laugh when I hear ignorant people who say nomads wield Ak rifles, as a matter of fact, the riffle is meant for the nomad who is expected to lose his cattle to them, because the cattle was stolen, they will never use the normal nomadic route for fear of being spotted, hence they pass through your farms, those ones are not different from any other armed robber you have met, so the Fulani behind it is misleading.
How many Armed robbers do we know their nationalities? why do we need to know the region rustlers come from?
I will not advise my enemy to negotiate with those.

By registering them and allowing them to provide their own private ranch will make them taxable in the long run.

joborskill:




Gbam hatred will not let the igbos and their senators working against the bill realize this. Its just like restricting igbo traders to the SE because some of them are fond of selling fake goods. The govt will fish out the bad eggs among the herders and let the sane ones graze their cattles in peace