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Joagbaje:
Genesis 6:6
And the Lord regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved at heart.

The response of God concerning Eliab showed God considered him but changed his mind .

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, Look not on his appearance or at the height of his stature, for I have rejected him.

There are many sides of God. He may choose to relate to man in a way. But it doesn't change his being all knowing. For example he regretted making Saul king but he had also predicted the short comings


1 Samuel 15:35
. . . and the Lord repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.

Deuteronomy 29:29
The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

TheAgba:
The fact that God knows what "Evil/good " is and does them shows how evil/good he is . Don't sieve God off evil. How would he know man is wicked if he isn't wicked? This is getting to a blow on the divine command theory. Anyway...

Let me just ask this derailing questions.

*Is God without sin because he said he is without sin Or We say he is without sin, therefore he is without sin?

Not all humans agree God is without sin...only certain Christians do. God is the one making himself Righteous in his own eyes before you,in your brain. It's psychological .

And please, don't cherry pick my questions. Thanks. A nice reply though, would be expecting more.

TheAgba:
A very illogical equation.

What is the essence of prophesy if not to change lives? God sees the future or in is also in the future?

God knows nothing, that's why he repents.

Joagbaje:
Genesis 6:6
And the Lord regretted that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved at heart.

The response of God concerning Eliab showed God considered him but changed his mind .

1 Samuel 16:7
But the Lord said to Samuel, Look not on his appearance or at the height of his stature, for I have rejected him.

There are many sides of God. He may choose to relate to man in a way. But it doesn't change his being all knowing. For example he regretted making Saul king but he had also predicted the short comings


1 Samuel 15:35
. . . and the Lord repented that he had made Saul king over Israel.

Deuteronomy 29:29
The secret things belong unto the Lord our God: but those things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever, that we may do all the words of this law.

malvisguy212:
see bro, you have NO idea of what you are talking about.

malvisguy212:
so, what sin has God committed ? Provide your evidence with proper Explanation, don't give one sided story.

The verse I provide say, the reason God was sorry is NOT because this people are Evil but because their INTENT was to do more Evil. Just because God is omniscient does not mean He will pretend All is well.

TheAgba:
Commanding genocide, rape, slavery etc. How would God be so comfortable with a man having another man as his property? There are lots of wickedness God has done.

You don't expect the bible to say God sinned. God is a tyrant.

And please, we're deviating from the OP. I still need answers to my questions above.

HardMirror:
No no no
You are wrong. Do you know what repentance means.
You can't repent without
-realization of wrong doing or wrong thinking
-commitment to do the right thing
So it means go realized he was thinking wrong and then committed to do right.
Any one who has to repent is imperfect even if he has good intentions.

"Oh damn! What was I thinking?" That is the thought of a repentant person.

So imagine god raving with anger and saying he will destroy the children of isreal. Then moses saying "god, really? You will destroy your own people? After you brought them out of egypt you destroy them and make everyone laugh at you?"
I can imagine the look on god's face like "oh sh.it! What was I thinking?"
I can imagine god regretting creating man during noah's time and deciding to flood the whole world.
That sounds more like an unstable human to me than a god that knows all things.

But the problem is in what god has to be. A god must be all knowing, all powerful and all present. Anything less is a god not worthy to be called god. But we humans who speak for god because we created him in the first place are struggling to give a perfect cover for god because we are not perfect ourselves. We don't know what it is to be all knowing. So when we tell stories about god just like in the bible, we end up with stories with a lot of loopholes that makes god more like an ordinary man with exaggerated abilities.

malvisguy212:
God’s repentance is not like man’s. I take that to
mean that God is not taken off guard by
unexpected turns of events like we are. He
knows all the future. (“Behold, the former things
have come to pass, and new things I now
declare; before they spring forth I tell you of
them,” Isaiah 42:9). Nor does God ever sin. So
his repentance is not owing to lack of foresight
nor to folly.
Rather, the repentance of God is his expression
of a different attitude and action about
something past or future ,not because events
have taken him off guard, but because events
make the expression of a different attitude
more fitting now than it would have been
earlier.

malvisguy212:
why did God command this ? There is different between killing and murder. Murder involves killing unlawfully with premeditated malice. It involves a deliberate, planned, pre-mediated attack against a fellow human being for the purpose of taking his life for reasons that are purely sinful. Give me verse in the bible were such murder is related with God.

The op has been answer, God think. So what next ?

malvisguy212:
why did God command this ? There is different between killing and murder. Murder involves killing unlawfully with premeditated malice. It involves a deliberate, planned, pre-mediated attack against a fellow human being for the purpose of taking his life for reasons that are purely sinful. Give me verse in the bible were such murder is related with God.

The op has been answer, God think. So what next ?

HardMirror:
Ok. Well explained. It is a typical giving of excuse by man on behalf of god, but at least you tried unlike some that would give explanations that makes no sense.
So moses had to tell god the consequence of reacting like a kid that got his candy snatched. Imagine moses telling god not to wipe out isrealites. This god does not seem that bright to me.

TheAgba:
Please explain this to me.

God promised a promise land to the Israelites and that land has been inhabited by other tribes. "Since" God has called that land mass their promise land, he helped kill those who refused to give way for the Israelites. How does that justifies "lawfulness "? or "goodness "?

The reason why I'm taking this lightly is because you haven't answered my questions up there and I won't accept any derail.
If God thinks then there are many other questions and deductions up there for you. Unless you're afraid of them.

malvisguy212:
bring the verse were moses had to informed God of His action, let us analyze it.

malvisguy212:
The people God gave the israelite their Land, they are worshipers of baal. This gods did not protect them when the israelite invade their land, why ? Because the Land was created by God. So the israelite possessing this land is by the command of God the creator of this earth. Their gods did not protect them.

HardMirror:
Ex32:1

TheAgba:
You have a land and just because I have power more than you, I would then displace you of the land and say I am right just because I am more powerful?
You're wicked like your God. I don't expect you to agree that God has been dishumane to mankind.

And please, you still have my questions up there staring at you.
Also...
Is God good because we say he is good or God is good because he says he is good?

malvisguy212:
its is the way your canal mind interpret the verse, the israelite are God's children, when they turn against God, God anger rose against them, moses had to pleaded with Him, we see such thing happen when moses was alive, on many occasion, moses pleaded with God. If God should destroy the isrealite, then the covenant He had with Abraham ,isaac and jacob will not be fulfill.

Deuteronomy 9:26
I prayed to the LORD and said, "Sovereign
LORD, do not destroy your people, your own
inheritance that you redeemed by your great
power and brought out of Egypt with a mighty
hand.

Many times moses had to intervene for the stubborn israelite.

TheAgba:
You have a land and just because I have power more than you, I would then displace you of the land and say I am right just because I am more powerful?
You're wicked like your God. I don't expect you to agree that God has been dishumane to mankind.

And please, you still have my questions up there staring at you.
Also...
Is God good because we say he is good or God is good because he says he is good?

malvisguy212:
https://www.nairaland.com/2076306/gods-chosen-people-jews-isnt

HardMirror:
What a daft god. So moses had to keep a leash on the psycho until he eventually killed moses. What a sad tale

TheAgba:
He choose the Israelites to be a blessing or a curse? He used the Israelites to kill yet you say to bless the whole nations. You indeed know not what you serve and preach.

KingEbukasBlog:
Bro . God does not change his mind

TheAgba:
He choose the Israelites to be a blessing or a curse? He used the Israelites to kill yet you say to bless the whole nations. You indeed know not what you serve and preach.

KingEbukasBlog:
Bro . God does not change his mind

malvisguy212:
God’s repentance is not like man’s. I take that to
mean that God is not taken off guard by
unexpected turns of events like we are. He
knows all the future. (“Behold, the former things
have come to pass, and new things I now
declare; before they spring forth I tell you of
them,” Isaiah 42:9). Nor does God ever sin. So
his repentance is not owing to lack of foresight
nor to folly.
Rather, the repentance of God is his expression
of a different attitude and action about
something past or future ,not because events
have taken him off guard, but because events
make the expression of a different attitude
more fitting now than it would have been
earlier.

Joshthefirst:
Astute.

TheAgba:
The question of "Does God Think?" is indeed to be considered philosophically. Not in a spiritual way,else all comments would be grounded on stupidity.

My insight on this question came up while I was trying to understand why my little niece was so annoying with her disturbances. I was watching her keenly with the question "Why does she think differently the way she does as a kid?".( She would be two years old by September.) Suddenly the grand question popped in, "Does God think?"


Please, if scriptures are to be quoted, let them be reasonable. The bible stated in Jer_29:11 that God knows the "thoughts" he has for us...theology concerns philosophy (but certain philosophers consider theology a ridicule) ,so we treat the question from a philosophical perspective.


I penned down some questions and deductions before my niece came with her avalanche of disturbances and irritating noises.


* What does it mean to think?

If we take a look at the meaning of "think" we would get ourselves opened to words such as "believe ", "opinion ", "form", "consider", "reason", "conceive",...etc.

Lets take "opinion" for example, why would God be having "opinion " about someone in mind(does God have have mind ?) when he knows all?
Opinions are also related to believing , so why does God have to "believe" when he is omniscient?

"Thinking allows humans to make sense of, interpret,represent or model the world they experience, and to make predictions about that world. It is therefore helpful to an organism with needs, objectives, and desires as it makes plans or otherwise attempts to accomplish those goals."
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought

* Why should God think , if He thinks?

Humans think in order to make decisions. Energy doesn't think, matter doesn't think, cells don't think...etc. (Well...I don't know the nature of the mind that our thoughts are developed)
The question of right and wrong is a matter of debate and it's relative and the question of what is funny and what is not funny is relative also.
What is funny or right to you is not in all cases same for me. Retaliating to a slap from a lady might be OK to me but be too harsh to you that you consider it not right, that is wrong. Basket Mouth might not thrill you with his jokes, but he makes me laugh a lot.

Why does God have to think when he knows all?

* We doubt because we think, does God also doubt?

Cells don't think and thus don't doubt that's why we have several abnormal cases in human appearances etc.
Energy doesn't think so those bombs explode. (And well..suicide bombers think and they being brainwashed or whatever, tend to be suicidal). Therefore, energy doesn't doubt because it doesn't think.

If God thinks then he doubts. If not in tune with that then, answer the question?

* If God thinks, does he think about Good and Evil?

Man isn't perfect and never will as long as man keep thinking. Perfection can't be attained when choices exist for you to choose, of which you must or you choose to make a choice. (My assertions) .

If God thinks then he also deliberates over Good and/or Bad/Evil and so he isn't Good and he isn't also bad and therefore he is human, else he doesn't exist.

If he is human,then he is therefore a product of man's imagination(s) and also therefore doesn't exist.

* Does God remember things?

What is the essence of remembering when you don't forget? If God remembers then he forgets and so he isn't omniscient and omnipotent nor omnipresent.
Man remembers because he thinks but should God also be in the game?


.....
Those are some of the questions and deductions I was able to pen down before she turned down my power supply.

The idea/thought or question is a fresh one and I don't seem to find anything worth reading through Google searching, that's why I'm here.

In conclusion, if God thinks, he isn't what we think him to be and if he doesn't he is just like energy and also isn't what we think him to be.

At this point, I need enlightening. Thanks.

Malvisguy212, HardMirror, Johnydon22, Olaadegbu, Rossikki, Joagbaje, etc.

"Supposing there was no intelligence behind the universe, no creative mind. In that case, nobody designed my brain for the purpose of thinking. It is merely that when the atoms inside my skull happen, for physical or chemical reasons, to arrange themselves in a certain way, this gives me, as a by-product, the sensation I call thought.

But, if so, how can I trust my own thinking to be true? It's like upsetting a milk jug and hoping that the way it splashes itself will give you a map of London.

But if I can't trust my own thinking, of course I can't trust the arguments leading to Atheism, and therefore have no reason to be an atheist or anything else. Unless I believe in God, I cannot believe in thought: So I can never use thought to disbelieve in God".