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Watchtower quotes prior to 1914

Russell taught that Jesus invisible rulership began in 1874.

"Our Lord, the appointed King, is now present since October 1874, A.D., according to the testimony of the prophets, to those who have ears to hear it: and the formal inauguration of his kingly office dates from Apr 1878, A.D." Studies in Scriptures Series IV (1897) p.621

As shown at DaVinci Code, Russell used pyramidology to support this belief.

1874 to 1914 was described as the greatest time of trouble in human history, with 1914 to be the conclusion of the Last Days. Armageddon would begin, resulting in the wholesale destruction of all government and religion. Russell and his followers were to be raised to heaven and Jesus Kingdom would then be established as paradise on earth.

The following quotes during the lead up to 1914 show there could be no doubt as to what followers of the Watchtower Society were to expect.
Armageddon ended

"… the battle of the great day of God Almighty … The date of the close of that "battle" is definitely marked in Scripture as October 1914. It is already in progress, its beginning dating from October, 1874." Zion's Watch Tower 1892 Jan 15 p.23

End of the "Time of Trouble"

"The seventh trumpet sounds from Aug. 1840, until "the time of trouble," or day of wrath is ended. Hence, it doubtless ends with the times of the Gentiles, and this forty years of conquest; and therefore, sounds until A. D. 1914; at the end of which, Babylon the great, will have fallen, and the "dragon" be bound: that is, the nations will be subdued, and "the prince of this world cast out."" Three Worlds and the Harvest of This World (Barbour & Russell, 1877) p.27

Religion Utterly Destroyed

"The seventh trumpet sounds from Aug. 1840, until "the time of trouble," or day of wrath is ended. Hence, it doubtless ends with the times of the Gentiles, and this forty years of conquest; and therefore, sounds until A. D. 1914; at the end of which, Babylon the great, will have fallen, and the "dragon" be bound: that is, the nations will be subdued, and "the prince of this world cast out."" Three Worlds and The Harvest of This World (1877)
"we have seen that God has a set time for every feature of his plan, and that we are even now in this "Day of Vengeance," which is a period of forty years; that it began in October, 1874, and will end in October, 1914 [very shortly]." Studies In the Scriptures Series IV - The Day of Vengeance

Earthly Resurrection to occur

"And yet "Jerusalem must be trodden down of the Gentiles, until the times of the Gentiles are fulfilled;" hence, trodden downuntil A. D. 1914, when the day of wrath will be passed, and the resurrection and return of the "whole house of Israel" due." Three Worlds and The Harvest of This World (1877) p.166


"That the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time... Just how long before 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, was are not directly informed;..." Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come (1908 ed.) continue

Plagiarized from: www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

Don't give the lame argument that you quoted the real source. No wonder you have something new say.

johnw74:
You agree with Bible changing supposed jw that the angel in rev 1:1 is Jesus
and that is the sort of lies that evil jw preach

Rev 1:1 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:

evil jw say: God sent and signified it by His angel Jesus Christ

Rev 22:16 I Jesus have sent mine angel to testify unto you these things in the churches. I am the root and the offspring of David, and the bright and morning star.

Jesus's angel, the angel of the Lord, is probably the angel Michael
Michael is the "angel of the Lord"
and not
"Michael the angel, is the Lord" as fake jw would believe it
even after the scriptures such as these have been shown to them, they are still happy to follow satans doctrines.




I have no fear of that because I am in the Truth

You have no fear of that because you have been deluded.

Also, Remember that only the Catholics and the Baptists and the Anglican and the Nigerian Pentecostals HAS THE RIGHT to bible changing. Oh my God and my Lord who will liberate Africans from poverty of the mind and from slavery to dogmatic foreign biases...

paulGrundy:
Many JW's dismiss the 1975 end of the world prediction as a mere speculation, some do not even believe that WT writers claimed to have their inspiration from Jehovah? Was that really so? Was it overhyped by over zealous members?

Many JW's who were unborned then, are not aware of the gravity to which such a claim destroyed so many lives. They underestimate how persuasive and deep watchtowers tone of "expectations" were.

I would be uploading these quotes gradually most of them are from 1970, witnesses in the house can verify them on the Watchtower library CD or wol.jw.org. Am doing it to attempt to show how the watchtower cleverly downplayed the 1975 fiasco and am also doing it to help JW's re-examine if it is wise for them to put their trust in an organization who made so many calculated and systematic "mistakes" and tried to sweep everything under the carpet.

I hope that one day you will not introduce homosexual acts into the Christian Church. Nigerians don't want it. Where we find it we'll preach and advocate against it!

BTW how's Zac?

themall:
You lie because there's no other way for you. If we are told that purgatory is not scriptural we examine the point of view and move on. I don't care which religion points it out. But if it's our core belief about the heavens, the saints and so on are dispelled as untrue we simply disagree and leave the rest for Jesus. In all cases there is No need to spread blind BIG LIES, no need to parrot the hate speeches of Mr. Lloyd Evans, one of the places you and I have technically agreed you were plagiarizing from! You have no moral ground to say your brand of interpretation which was blindly copied from an apparently angry and bitter man is the truth.

Unfortunately, it's like someone else is doing your post for you because if you read back the posts, you'll see where I posted the sources of your confusion as well one of your chop chop church. So how come you're still saying I cannot post your plagiarized gibberish!!! Are you a learner.

lying jw said I agree with him that I plagerized
lying jw said he posted the plagerised material that I asked for
lying jw said he posted article from my church when he doesn't know my church
saying falsely five times which churches I belong to, talk about lies and delusion

it's amazing how deeply lies are embedded in evil jw.

themall:
Sometimes Nigerian pastors need to go for english lessons. No I don't mean going for lessons due to the typographical errors that we all commit on Nairaland. I mean going for lessons in order to understanding the english sense of the words. PLEASE check the meaning of fake! You'll most likely Google the term and then you'll understand better.

Then also Google all the trash you've been posting about a minority religion such as Jehovah's Witnesses.

See then that you've been a parrot of the gibberish on the internet and so YOU qualify as the fake. I thought I did not have to spell it out for you.

You see, you were not born when all the events took place. Where then did you get you jwfacts from. Oh, Oh, I guess you're thinking what am thinking...I N T E R N E T!

I did theology as a part time study. I can school you. I might even tell you some tricks in religion, because am quite appalled that a pastor in Nigeria is still been naive about one-church-above-the-other, the way you are....

Fake jw say's I am a pastor, a nigerian pastor
It can be seen time and time again how satans spirit in evil jw keeps telling them the wrong thing every time.

fake jw themall has accused me about three times now of posting other peoples writings and pretending they are my writings, that I wrote them, which is plagerism
I told evil jw to post just one of these occurences, which he hasn't and cannot do

but evil jw does love to lie and accuse over and over again
and they believe they are Christians and God's people
they have been deluded

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

phony jw have pleasure in preaching their lies.

johnw74:
lying jw said I agree with him that I plagerized
lying jw said he posted the plagerised material that I asked for
lying jw said he posted article from my church when he doesn't know my church
saying falsely five times which churches I belong to, talk about lies and delusion

it's amazing how deeply lies are embedded in evil jw.

BUSTED. Add that.

johnw74:
Fake jw say's I. a pastor, a nigerian pastor
It can be seen time and time again how satans spirit in evil jw keeps telling them the wrong thing every time.

fake jw themall has accused me about three times now of posting other peoples writings and pretending they are my writings, that I wrote them, which is plagerism
I told evil jw to post just one of these occurences, which he hasn't and cannot do

but evil jw does love to lie and accuse over and over again
and they believe they are Christians and God's people
they have been deluded

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

phony jw have pleasure in preaching their lies.

BUSTED.

johnw74:
Fake jw say's I am a pastor, a nigerian pastor
It can be seen time and time again how satans spirit in evil jw keeps telling them the wrong thing every time.

fake jw themall has accused me about three times now of posting other peoples writings and pretending they are my writings, that I wrote them, which is plagerism
I told evil jw to post just one of these occurences, which he hasn't and cannot do

but evil jw does love to lie and accuse over and over again
and they believe they are Christians and God's people
they have been deluded

2Th 2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
2Th 2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
2Th 2:11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
2Th 2:12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

phony jw have pleasure in preaching their lies.

Just got contacted by others. Smell of IMPERSONATION. BUSTED. Please add BUSTED to your new found delusions

themall:
Plagiarized from: www.jwfacts.com/watchtower/failed-1914-predictions.php

Don't give the lame argument that you quoted the real source. No wonder you have something new say.

phony jw not only lies, he doesn't know what plagerism is
even though I gave definition
he prefers to lie and accuse
he loves to lie and accuse

johnw74:
lying jw said I agree with him that I plagerized
lying jw said he posted the plagerised material that I asked for
lying jw said he posted article from my church when he doesn't know my church
saying falsely five times which churches I belong to, talk about lies and delusion

it's amazing how deeply lies are embedded in evil jw.

BUSTED.

johnw74:
phony jw not only lies, he doesn't know what plagerism is even though I gave definition he prefers to lie and accuse he loves to lie and accuse

BUSTED.

themall:
Also, Remember that only the Catholics and the Baptists and the Anglican and the Nigerian Pentecostals HAS THE RIGHT to bible changing. Oh my God and my Lord who will liberate Africans from poverty of the mind and from slavery to dogmatic foreign biases...

no not only others, evil jw leads the way in Bible changing
you know that

themall:
I hope that one day you will not introduce homosexual acts into the Christian Church. Nigerians don't want it. Where we find it we'll preach and advocate against it!

evil jw's thing is child abuse:

Jehovah's Witness Leader: There's a 'Spiritual Dilemma' in ...jezebel
http://jezebel.com/jehovahs-witness-leader-theres-a-spiritual-dilemma-in-1724774229
Aug 18, 2015 - The commission is now questioning members of the Jehovah's Witnesses, finding that there have been 1,006 reports of sexual abuse made to ...

johnw74:
no not only others, evil jw leads the way in Bible changing you know that

But not you or your church.

Please write your final disappointment about themall.....

Please write your final disappointment about themall.....

themall:
Just got contacted by others. Smell of IMPERSONATION. BUSTED. Please add BUSTED to your new found delusions

themall and other fake jw's think I'm a pastor, a nigerian pastor
jwmano and gnews think I'm paul grundy
see how satans spirit in them makes them believe anything he wants them to

the Holy Spirit knows who I am

themall:
But not you or your church.

fake jw themall doesn't know me
fake jw themall doesn't know my church although so far he has said I belong to five diffrent churches

fake jw thinks I'm a pastor, satan told him that, along with telling him the church I belong to

themall:
BUSTED.

themall:
BUSTED.

themall:
BUSTED.

You certinally have been

you busted yourself

johnw74:
You certinally have been
you busted yourself

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144,000 All Resurrected to Heaven

1908 edition Thy kingdom come page 228

The 144,000, also known as the "body of Christ" or "the saints", were to all be in heaven by 1914, prior to the completion of Armageddon.

"That the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time... Just how long before 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, was are not directly informed;..." Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come (1908 ed.) p.228

Studies in the Scriptures after 1914

Editions of Studies in the Scriptures written prior to 1914 were very specific about what would happen prior to and during 1914. These journals continued to be used after 1914. To overcome the obviously erroneous predictions in 1915 they were reissued with amendments.

For example the 1908 edition of Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come stated on p.228 that the resurrection would occur before 1914. The 1915 edition changed this to state that the resurrection was to occur soon after 1914.
Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come 1908 Ed. Studies In the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come 1915 Ed.
"That the deliverance of the saints must take place some time before 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time, and the angry nations will then be authoritatively commanded to be still, and will be made to recognize the power of Jehovah's Anointed. Just how long before 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed; but it certainly will not be until their work in the flesh is done; nor can we reasonably presume that they will long remain after that work is accomplished. With these two thought in mind, we can approximate the time of the deliverance."
Click here for scan of 1911 version "That the deliverance of the saints must take place very soon after 1914 is manifest, since the deliverance of fleshly Israel, as we shall see, is appointed to take place at that time, and the angry nations will then be authoritatively commanded to be still, and will be made to recognize the power of Jehovah's Anointed. Just how long after 1914 the last living members of the body of Christ will be glorified, we are not directly informed; but it certainly will not be until their work in the flesh is done; nor can we reasonably presume that they will long remain after that work is accomplished."

The 1915 Mar 1 issue of the Watch Tower admitted to these changes in the following article.

"CHANGES IN "SCRIPTURE STUDIES"
We call attention to a few slight changes which have been made in four pages of Vol. II. and six pages of Vol. III., "STUDIES IN THE SCRIPTURES." These are all trivial and do not alter the real sense and lesson, but conform to the facts as we have them today. The pages containing these corrections are as follows:
Vol. II., page 77, line 1, "will be the farthest limit," reads "will see the disintegration."
Vol. II., page 77, line 6, "will obtain full universal control," reads "will begin to assume control."
Vol. II., page 77, lines 16,17, "end of A.D. 1914," reads "end of the overthrow."
Vol. II., page 81, line 9, "can date only from A.D. 1914," reads "could not precede A.D. 1915."
Vol. II., page 170, line 16, "at that time they will all be overturned."*
*How long it will require to accomplish this overturning we are not informed, but have reason to believe the period will be short.
Vol. II., page 221, line 25, "full favor until A.D. 1914," reads "full favor until after 1915."
Vol. III., page 94, line 29, "in this end or harvest," reads "at the end of this harvest."
Vol. III., page 126, line 12, "at A.D. 1914," reads "after 1914."
Vol. III., page 133, line 21, "ere the harvest is fully ended."+
+The end of the harvest will probably include the burning of the tares.
Vol. III., page 228, line 11, "some time before 1914," reads "very soon after 1914."
Vol. III., page 228, line 15, "just how long before," reads "just how long after."
Vol. III., page 362, line 11, "some time before," reads "some time near."
Vol. III., page 364, line 14, "must not only witness," reads "may not only witness.""

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The Watchtower's Dishonest Presentation of its History

Watchtower claims its foresight of 1914 as proof of Jehovah's direction. Is this justified, knowing the Watchtower was incorrect in virtually every aspect?

The following quotes show the positive spin the Watchtower puts on Russell's inaccurate teachings, in an attempt to make people believe holy spirit directs the Watchtower's interpretation of Bible prophecy. These quotes range from misleading but technically true, through to blatantly false. Statements abound that the Watchtower pointed forward to 1914 as "the start of "the conclusion of the system of things"", the start of "Jesus Presence", or the start of his "rulership". Other phrases, such as that the Watchtower foretold 1914 to be the end of the Gentile Times, are strictly accurate, but lead the reader to an incorrect conclusion about the understanding of this teaching.

When reading these quotes, it is important to remember that in 1914 the Watchtower was teaching Jesus' presence began in 1874 and his heavenly rulership began in 1878.

"Our belief that the Kingdom began to be set up, or brought into power, in Apr, 1878, be it observed, rests on exactly the same foundation as our belief that the Lord became present in October, 1874, and that the harvest began at that time." Studies in the Scriptures - Thy Kingdom Come p.235

As late as 1930, the Watchtower was still referring to 1874 as the start of Jesus presence.

"… from the beginning of the Lord’s presence in 1874 the Devil used the Papal system as the chief opposing instrument of God’s kingdom …" Watchtower 1930 p.275

Those in the Watchtower's writing department are well aware of the organisations history. For instance, the 1993 Proclaimers book states:

"Based on the premise that events of the first century might find parallels in related events later, they also concluded that if Jesus’ baptism and anointing in the autumn of 29 C.E. paralleled the beginning of an invisible presence in 1874, then his riding into Jerusalem as King in the spring of 33 C.E. would point to the spring of 1878 as the time when he would assume his power as heavenly King." Proclaimers p.632

Yet in that very same year, other Watchtower articles falsely claim:

"The Watchtower[1] has consistently presented evidence to honest hearted students of Bible prophecy that Jesus’ presence in heavenly Kingdom power began in 1914. Events since that year testify to Jesus' invisible presence." Watchtower 1993 Jan 15 p.5

"Jehovah's Witnesses have consistently shown from the Scriptures that the year 1914 marked the beginning of this world's time of the end and that "the day of judgment and of destruction of the ungodly men" has drawn near." Watchtower 1993 Aug 15 p.9

Other examples of deceptive statements regarding the teachings of the Watchtower prior to 1914 include:

"Decades before 1914, Jehovah's worshippers declared to the nations that the end of "the appointed times of the nations" would come in that year and that the world would enter into an unequaled period of trouble." Watchtower 2013 Feb 15 p.18

"As that “time” approached, Jehovah took steps to reveal the answer to a group of humble Bible students. With the help of God’s spirit, they discerned that “the appointed times of the nations” began with the destruction of Jerusalem in 607 B.C.E. and that those “times” were 2,520 years in length. From this, they deduced that 1914 marked the end of “the appointed times of the nations.” They also came to realize that 1914 was the beginning of the end for this system of things." Watchtower 2004 Feb 1 p.19

"From the mid-1870's, Jehovah's people had been anticipating that catastrophic events would start in 1914 and would mark the end of the Gentile Times." Revelation - Its Grand Climax at Hand! (1988) p.105

"How did Jehovah's Witnesses know more than 30 years in advance that 1914 would be an important date for divine rulership? Though the Witnesses at the time did not understand the full implication of events about to take place, the Watch Tower magazine as far back as December of 1879 pointed to 1914 as a marked date in regard to Bible prophecy. And the Mar 1880 issue of the Watch Tower linked God's Kingdom rule with the ending of what Jesus Christ referred to as "the appointed times of the nations," or "the times of the Gentiles." (Luke 21:24; Authorized Version) That Watch Tower said: "'The Times of the Gentiles' extend to 1914, and the heavenly kingdom will not have full sway till then."" Watchtower 1984 Apr 1 p. 6 1914 a Marked Year-Why?

"This remnant of anointed ones have identified themselves on the pages of history since 1914 C.E. Before this year members of this anointed remnant had been earnestly studying God' s Word apart from Christendom. They put the Holy Bible ahead of man-made religious traditions. As early as 1876 they were publishing that the Gentile Times of 2,520 years would terminate in the year 1914. Events that have taken place from that year onward prove they were not wrong." God's Eternal Purpose Now Triumphing For Man's Good (1974) pp.178-179

"Even earlier, however, C. T. Russell wrote an article entitled "Gentile Times: When Do They End?" It was published in the Bible Examiner of October 1876, and therein Russell said: "The seven times will end in A.D. 1914." He had correctly linked the Gentile Times with the "seven times" mentioned in the book of Daniel. (Dan. 4:16, 23, 25, 32) True to such calculations, 1914 did mark the end of those times and the birth of God's kingdom in heaven with Christ Jesus as king. Just think of it! Jehovah granted his people that knowledge nearly four decades before those times expired." Yearbook 1975 p.37

"Of all men used by God to prophesy, Jesus is outstanding. Based on what he said, along with the words of Daniel and John, Jehovah's witnesses pointed to the year 1914, decades in advance, as marking the start of "the conclusion of the system of things." Awake! 1973 Jan 22 p.8

"Under the guidance of God's spirit of freedom the magazine today known as The Watchtower but known back there as Zion's Watch Tower, began to be published in Jul, 1879. In the first year of its publication it pointed to the date 1914 as marked in the Bible." What Has Religion Done For Mankind? (1951) p.308

"As for the time of Christ's second presence, Daniel's prophecy is again the one that gives the chronology for it. (Dan. 4:16) It was figured out as pointing to A.D. 1914, and The Watchtower called notice to the significance of 1914 in the year 1879." Watchtower 1952 Nov 1 p.658

"When in 1914 C.E. the 2,520 years of the Gentile Times ended for the Gentile nations to trample on Jerusalem’s right to a Messianic kingship in the royal line of David, the Most High God Jehovah installed the Messiah Jesus on the heavenly throne in order to reign and go subduing among his enemies. (Psalm 110:1-6; Acts 2:34-36; Hebrews 10:12, 13) During World War I (1914-1918 C.E.) the dedicated, baptized remnant of spiritual Israelites publicly proclaimed that the Gentile Times had ended and that the Most High God had made his Son Jesus Christ reigning King in the heavens." Paradise Restored to Mankind - By Theocracy! p.273

"Why, then, do the nations not realize and accept the approach of this climax of judgment? It is because they have not heeded the world wide advertising of Christ's return and his second Presence. Since long before World War I Jehovah's witnesses pointed to 1914 as the time for this great event to occur." Watchtower 1954 Jun 15 p.370

"This was a new revelation of great importance to God's people who had been anxiously awaiting his second presence toward the end of the nineteenth century." Watchtower 1965 Jul 15 p.428

"For over thirty years before that date and for half a century since, Jehovah's witnesses have pointed to the year 1914 as the time for the end of "the appointed times of the nations" and the time in which Christ would begin his Kingdom rule. (Luke 21:24)" Watchtower 1966 Feb 15 p.103

"As far back as 1876, Jehovah' s Witnesses realized that Bible prophecy marked the year 1914 C.E. as a time when major events would take place that would have far-reaching effects on human affairs. They gave the reason for this fact wide publicity." True Peace And Security (1986) p.70

"Back in 1904, the book The New Creation called attention to this new organization that came into existence in the first century C.E. (Studies In The Scriptures, Series VI, Study V, entitled "The Organization of the New Creation" Owing to its view of what the end of the Gentile Times would mean, that book did not envision the remarkable organizational work that was due to take place after the crippling effects of the first world war of human history. - Luke 21:24 KJ" Watchtower 1989 Sep 1 pp.12-13

"a prophecy providentially caused sincere 19th-century Bible students to be in expectation. By linking the "seven times" of Daniel 4:25 with "the times of the Gentiles", they anticipated that Christ would receive Kingdom power in 1914." Watchtower 1998 Sep 15 p.15

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