Jozzy4:


make yourself clearer

No, you will make it clearer. You brought God's eternal days into this. Do men live in God's eternal days? Why didn't Adam drop dead immediately he ate the fruit?

You can't bring yourself to say, he died a spiritual death. You can't open your mouth to say, his spirit got separated from God at death.

You said earlier that the wages of sin is death, I asked you which death? Is it of the flesh or the spirit? If of the flesh what sin did Christ commit to have died? You dodged it. Now answer me.

Jozzy4:


Being made in God’s image meant that Adam was created with qualities like those of God, including love, wisdom, justice, and power. Adam was like his Father in another important way in that he possessed free will. Hence, Adam was not like a machine that can perform only what it is designed or programmed to do. Instead, he could make personal decisions, choosing between right and wrong. If he had chosen to obey God, he would have lived forever .

Did the Bible say God created man IN his image or WITH his attributes? Love, wisdom and justice, when did they become images?

Jozzy4:

and what exactly is your question ?

You mean you can't see my question?

analice107:

Did the Bible say God created man IN his image or WITH his attributes? Love, wisdom and justice, when did they become images?

eeyah, know this today .. the word rendered Image can also mean LIKENESS , u can be like someone if u share the same attributes.

@Jozzy4, I asked you earlier, you dodged. Does this scripture exclude you? Amplified Bible 1 Thessalonians 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you through and through [separate you from profane things, make you pure and wholly consecrated to God]; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved sound and complete [and found] blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah).
Here Apst Paul is praying for our spirits souls and body's to be preserved until Christ comes.
And you say you don't have a spirit in you. You are just dust. Imaoooo

Or is this part of the Bible not in Jw's Bible?
Why is the JW running away from the spiritual realm?
Am just getting to know the motive of Satan raising up Charles Tass Russell. The founder of Watchover.
Does it make sense to deny the existence of the spiritual and yet believe in God who is a spirit?
How does JW worship their God? In flesh and in reading Watchtower?
WTH?

analice107:
@Jozzy4, I asked you earlier, you dodged. Does this scripture exclude you? Amplified Bible 1 Thessalonians 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you through and through [separate you from profane things, make you pure and wholly consecrated to God]; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved sound and complete [and found] blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah).
Here Apst Paul is praying for our spirits souls and body's to be preserved until Christ comes.
And you say you don't have a spirit in you. You are just dust. Imaoooo

lol its too early to get emotional again woman, I said earlier that it depends on what you mean by spiritS , didnt I ?

there are various philosophy people have in mind when they hear spirit.

pls tell me ur view or what u understand by spirit and soul , and I will tell u mine.

lets proceed

1) what is the spirit in man ?

2) what is soul ?

3) can the soul die ?

4) do animals have spirit ?

5) do they share the same spirit with man ?


this can enlighten us

analice107:

No, you will make it clearer. You brought God's eternal days into this. Do men live in God's eternal days? Why didn't Adam drop dead immediately he ate the fruit?

You can't bring yourself to say, he died a spiritual death. You can't open your mouth to say, his spirit got separated from God at death.

Adam died both spiritual death and real death.

spiritual death because he is cut off from God, and he eventually died the final death that led him back to his former non existence.

You said earlier that the wages of sin is death, I asked you which death? Is it of the flesh or the spirit? If of the flesh what sin did Christ commit to have died? You dodged it. Now answer me.

the wages of sin is death. both spiritual and physical death .

if u commit a gross sin, u felt withing you that uv been cut off from God . if no repentance is shown, such a person will eventually be " dead to his trespass and sin " Eph .,thats spiritual, it has to do with ones relationship with God


but the wage of the sin of Adam remains Physical death , everyone is sure to die and return to dust from which they are taken . when a person dies, such a person " is free from his sin" Rom 6:7. because he has paid the wages.

--- Christ died not a spiritual death but Physical death in connection with sin , not his but that of the whole World , which was inherited from Adam . ( joh 1:29)

I do not believe in hell even though I am not a Jehovah's witness. How can God punish one in hell for eternity for just 5 seconds of sin? Infact the word "hell" is a mistranslation of the Hebrew word "She'ol" and the Aramaic word "Geh'henna.". The Hebrew word actually implies "a place of rest for the dead" or a symbolic place where the dead sleep before judgement.

It's ions. Sins as old as multiples of ages. It's something to do with the origin of the human spirit and it's goings when a man dies.

if 70 years of righteousness is not enough to make you deserve heaven, how then could the sin of 70 years make u worthy of hell ?

analice107:


You only attempted to answer one part of the question.
If Adam was just the lump of clay or dust as you said, when God told him if he eats from the tree he will die, why didn't he die? His body died 930 years later, are you saying God lied to Adam?

Adam did die on that very day in the sense that he got disconnected from the source of life which meant that his eventual return to dust was guaranteed. Just like when a spinning fan is switched off it doesn'come to a complete stop the moment you flick the switch that diconnects it from power. It continues spinning with no dicernible change of speed in the first few moments after switching it off. But given enough time, the reduction of speed becomes obvious as the blades slowly grinds to a halt.
Adam died on that day as his vitality slowly drained from him till he he became dust.

Jozzy4:


eeyah, know this today .. the word rendered Image can also mean LIKENESS , u can be like someone if u share the same the same attributes.

Is likeness the same thing as attributes?

Jozzy4, God is a spirit he created man in his spiritual invisible Image, but in other for man to live in this physical material realm, he needed a physical and material body which is this flesh. When he put the lifeless clay (which is actually not Man) together, he released the real invisible image of himself into Man. Man will never really die. This flesh will die becos it's material and decays and passes away. But the eternal man will live eternally.

Amplified Bible 2 Corinthians 4:16 Therefore we do not become discouraged (utterly spiritless, exhausted, and wearied out through fear). Though our outer man is [progressively] decaying and wasting away, yet our inner self is being [progressively] renewed day after day.
What is our inner self which gets renewed day by day?
Amplified Bible 2 Corinthians 5:1-4 For we know that if the tent which is our earthly home is destroyed (dissolved), we have from God a building, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. Here indeed, in this [present abode, body], we sigh and groan inwardly, because we yearn to be clothed over [we yearn to put on our celestial body like a garment, to be fitted out] with our heavenly dwelling, So that by putting it on we may not be found naked (without a body). For while we are still in this tent, we groan under the burden and sigh deeply (weighed down, depressed, oppressed)—not that we want to put off the body (the clothing of the spirit), but rather that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal (our dying body) may be swallowed up by life [after the resurrection].
Open your eyes man. Life does not end on earth.
Have you seen that the body is the cloth we wear our spirit?

The Sadduccees who are to a very large extent the present day JW, came to Jesus with an intent of trapping him. Here is what ensued ;
Luke 20:28-36 And they asked Him a question, saying, Teacher, Moses wrote for us [a law] that if a man’s brother dies, leaving a wife and no children, the man shall take the woman and raise up offspring for his brother. Now there were seven brothers; and the first took a wife and died without [having any] children. And the second And then the third took her, and in like manner all seven, and they died, leaving no children. Last of all, the woman died also. Now in the resurrection whose wife will the woman be? For the seven married her. And Jesus said to them, The people of this world and present age marry and are given in marriage; But those who are considered worthy to gain that other world and that future age and to attain to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage; For they cannot die again, but they are angel-like and equal to angels. And being sons of and sharers in the resurrection, they are sons of God.

I hope you realize that this is not a parable? Have you seen that after here there's life to live? And that life is eternal? No more death.

dorox:

Adam did die on that very day in the sense that he got disconnected from the source of life which meant that his eventual return to dust was guaranteed. Just like when a spinning fan is switched off it doesn'come to a complete stop the moment you flick the switch that diconnects it from power. It continues spinning with no dicernible change of speed in the first few moments after switching it off. But given enough time, the reduction of speed becomes obvious as the blades slowly grinds to a halt.
Adam died on that day as his vitality slowly drained from him till he he became dust.

Beautiful

dorox:

Adam did die on that very day in the sense that he got disconnected from the source of life which meant that his eventual return to dust was guaranteed. Just like when a spinning fan is switched off it doesn'come to a complete stop the moment you flick the switch that diconnects it from power. It continues spinning with no dicernible change of speed in the first few moments after switching it off. But given enough time, the reduction of speed becomes obvious as the blades slowly grinds to a halt.
Adam died on that day as his vitality slowly drained from him till he he became dust.

You just can't bring yourself to believe that the death Adam died in Eden was a spiritual death right?
Because Watchtower has told you that you are just a lump of clay with no spirit and no soul, even when the Bible says so, you turn a blind eye and keep on arguing right?

I asked you if 1 Thessalonians 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you through and through [separate you from profane things, make you pure and wholly consecrated to God]; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved sound and complete [and found] blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah).[b]

dorox:

Adam did die on that very day in the sense that he got disconnected from the source of life which meant that his eventual return to dust was guaranteed. Just like when a spinning fan is switched off it doesn'come to a complete stop the moment you flick the switch that diconnects it from power. It continues spinning with no dicernible change of speed in the first few moments after switching it off. But given enough time, the reduction of speed becomes obvious as the blades slowly grinds to a halt.
Adam died on that day as his vitality slowly drained from him till he he became dust.

You just can't bring yourself to believe that the death Adam died in Eden was a spiritual death right?
Because Watchtower has told you that you are just a lump of clay with no spirit and no soul, even when the Bible says so, you turn a blind eye and keep on arguing right?

I asked you if 1 Thessalonians 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you through and through [separate you from profane things, make you pure and wholly consecrated to God]; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved sound and complete [and found] blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah).[/b]

dorox:

Adam did die on that very day in the sense that he got disconnected from the source of life which meant that his eventual return to dust was guaranteed. Just like when a spinning fan is switched off it doesn'come to a complete stop the moment you flick the switch that diconnects it from power. It continues spinning with no dicernible change of speed in the first few moments after switching it off. But given enough time, the reduction of speed becomes obvious as the blades slowly grinds to a halt.
Adam died on that day as his vitality slowly drained from him till he he became dust.

You just can't bring yourself to believe that the death Adam died in Eden was a spiritual death right?
Because Watchtower has told you that you are just a lump of clay with no spirit and no soul, even when the Bible says so, you turn a blind eye and keep on arguing right?

I asked you if 1 Thessalonians 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you through and through [separate you from profane things, make you pure and wholly consecrated to God]; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved sound and complete [and found] blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah).

Jozzy4:

Adam died both spiritual death and real death.

spiritual death because he is cut off from God, and he eventually died the final death that led him back to his former non existence.



the wages of sin is death. both spiritual and physical death .

if u commit a gross sin, u felt withing you that uv been cut off from God . if no repentance is shown, such a person will eventually be " dead to his trespass and sin " Eph .,thats spiritual, it has to do with ones relationship with God


but the wage of the sin of Adam remains Physical death , everyone is sure to die and return to dust from which they are taken . when a person dies, such a person " is free from his sin" Rom 6:7. because he has paid the wages.

--- Christ died not a spiritual death but Physical death in connection with sin , not his but that of the whole World , which was inherited from Adam . ( joh 1:29)

From the beginning I asked you if you were a spirit who lives in a body possessing a soul.
You no, that you were only a human being.
If Adam the wages of sin for Adam was physical death since was just dust, a lump of clay without a spirit or soul, how could he have died a spiritual death?

--- If Christ died just a physical death, how was he able to decend to the lowers parts or hades to free the souls which where held captive by satan.?

Jozzy4:

Adam died both spiritual death and real death.

spiritual death because he is cut off from God, and he eventually died the final death that led him back to his former non existence.



the wages of sin is death. both spiritual and physical death .

if u commit a gross sin, u felt withing you that uv been cut off from God . if no repentance is shown, such a person will eventually be " dead to his trespass and sin " Eph .,thats spiritual, it has to do with ones relationship with God


but the wage of the sin of Adam remains Physical death , everyone is sure to die and return to dust from which they are taken . when a person dies, such a person " is free from his sin" Rom 6:7. because he has paid the wages.

--- Christ died not a spiritual death but Physical death in connection with sin , not his but that of the whole World , which was inherited from Adam . ( joh 1:29)

You said spiritual death is separation from God, pls explain that more. Than you.

analice107:

You said spiritual death is separation from God, pls explain that more. Than you.

I said cut off from God . like cutting off the branches of a tree .

" Everyone remaining in union with him does not practice sin; no one who practice sin has Either seen him or come to know him " 1 john 3:6

analice107:

You just can't bring yourself to believe that the death Adam died in Eden was a spiritual death right?
Because Watchtower has told you that you are just a lump of clay with no spirit and no soul, even when the Bible says so, you turn a blind eye and keep on arguing right?

I asked you if 1 Thessalonians 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you through and through [separate you from profane things, make you pure and wholly consecrated to God]; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved sound and complete [and found] blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah).
You just can't bring yourself to believe that the death Adam died in Eden was a spiritual death right?
Because Watchtower has told you that you are just a lump of clay with no spirit and no soul, even when the Bible says so, you turn a blind eye and keep on arguing right?

I asked you if 1 Thessalonians 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you through and through [separate you from profane things, make you pure and wholly consecrated to God]; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved sound and complete [and found] blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah).
You just can't bring yourself to believe that the death Adam died in Eden was a spiritual death right?
Because Watchtower has told you that you are just a lump of clay with no spirit and no soul, even when the Bible says so, you turn a blind eye and keep on arguing right?

I asked you if 1 Thessalonians 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you through and through [separate you from profane things, make you pure and wholly consecrated to God]; and may your spirit and soul and body be preserved sound and complete [and found] blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah).

ignorance .

Gen 2:7 God formes the man from dust and gave him the Breath of life ( spirit Ecc 3: 19,20) , and the man became a living soul .

but u wont agree with bible that spirit is breath , and instead of admiting man became soul , u will rather adopt he was given a soul . swimming in lies

analice107

u asked if likeness is same as attributes, check the definition of likeness

Definitions of
likeness

likeness
1.
similarity in appearance or character or nature between persons or things"

Jozzy4, God is a spirit he created man in his spiritual invisible Image,

so Adam exist as a spiritual image before God create him?, where in Genesis is this found? , after u had confess earlier that you dont exist before u were created !


thats what happen when u tell lies , your words will not rhyme


I challenge you to provide the text in Genesis creation account that support ur statement above.

i tag this (B1). evidence needed.

but in other for man to live in this physical material realm, he needed a physical and material body which is this flesh.

in other for man to live in this physical, materi realm ?

from this statement its clear u meant the man has already been in existence as a spirit being , before he was sent to earth

I tag this ( B2) supply evidence that Man exist as a spirit before coming to earth !


again , when I asked if you exist as a spirit before you were born, u said u dont ?,Yes or no

When he put the lifeless clay (which is actually not Man) together,

the words in bracket is a lie .

Gen 2:7 " .. God went on to FORM THE MAN OUT OF DUST OF THE GROUND "

Doea this text not prove u lied ?

he released the real invisible image of himself into Man.

supply the evidence for this babaric statement in the account of creation ?

i tag this ( B3), to produce biblical evidence of God releasing an invisible image into man during creation !

Man will never really die.

You sound so much like Satan " you [man] will not die " Gen 3:4

- John 8:44

This flesh will die becos it's material and decays and passes away. But the eternal man will live eternally.

where is that eternal man before u are born ? answrr !!!
1 Tim 1:17 , only God reserves the title of king of eternity.

man is not eternal, thats why Jesus come (john 3:16 )

Amplified Bible 2 Corinthians 4:16 Therefore we do not become discouraged (utterly spiritless, exhausted, and wearied out through fear). Though our outer man is [progressively] decaying and wasting away, yet our inner self is being [progressively] renewed day after day.
What is our inner self which gets renewed day by day?

your inner self is the kind of person you are.

Amplified Bible 2 Corinthians 5:1-4 For we know that if the tent which is our earthly home is destroyed (dissolved), we have from God a building, a house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. Here indeed, in this [present abode, body], we sigh and groan inwardly, because we yearn to be clothed over [we yearn to put on our celestial body like a garment, to be fitted out] with our heavenly dwelling, So that by putting it on we may not be found naked (without a body). For while we are still in this tent, we groan under the burden and sigh deeply (weighed down, depressed, oppressed)—not that we want to put off the body (the clothing of the spirit), but rather that we would be further clothed, so that what is mortal (our dying body) may be swallowed up by life [after the resurrection].
Open your eyes man. Life does not end on earth.
Have you seen that the body is the cloth we wear our spirit?

u lied , cant u see he said he had to die before getting that heavenly body ? @ dissolve , its not something he had with him , he said its from God , see the bold. he will get it after he is ressurected to rule with Christ .

he wrote:



" to see if at all possible, I [Paul] may attain the earlier ressurection from the dead " - phil 3:11.


he strongly belive in Ressurection as the hope of the dead not myth of the cave

The Sadduccees who are to a very large extent the present day JW, came to Jesus with an intent of trapping him. Here is what ensued ;
Luke 20:28-36 And they asked Him a question, saying, Teacher, Moses wrote for us [a law] that if a man’s brother dies, leaving a wife and no children, the man shall take the woman and raise up offspring for his brother. Now there were seven brothers; and the first took a wife and died without [having any] children. And the second And then the third took her, and in like manner all seven, and they died, leaving no children. Last of all, the woman died also. Now in the resurrection whose wife will the woman be? For the seven married her. And Jesus said to them, The people of this world and present age marry and are given in marriage; But those who are considered worthy to gain that other world and that future age and to attain to the resurrection from the dead neither marry nor are given in marriage; For they cannot die again, but they are angel-like and equal to angels. And being sons of and sharers in the resurrection , they are sons of God.

I hope you realize that this is not a parable? Have you seen that after here there's life to live? And that life is eternal? No more death.

in the ressurection @ bold.

RESSURECTION was nailed in this scripture not myth of the cave pls ,


lying as usual, Jehovahs Witnesses belive in ressurection This make them different from saducees . You are exposed.


am expecting ur defense and supply of evidence for points tag B1 , B2 , B3

Jozzy4:


ignorance .

Gen 2:7 God formes the man from dust and gave him the Breath of life ( spirit Ecc 3: 19,20) , and the man became a living soul .

but u wont agree with bible that spirit is breath , and instead of admiting man became soul , u will rather adopt he was given a soul . swimming in lies

Am ignorant now? No more confused?
How many scriptures have I posted to you? You dodged them all.
What is the Breath you are talking about?
Let's analyse it.

Amplified Bible Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being.

What is this verse saying? God had created man in his image which is immortal, invincible and spiritual. But for Man to exist here in this realm he needed a body, hence the clay/dust. Then God breath his image into that clay/dust.
That clay/dust is not Man. Man is what God breath into the clay.
That clay/dust would have lived forever if Adam hadn't fallen. When Man fell, the link that connected Man to his creator was broken, hence; death of the body returning back to where it came from. But what happens to the Breath God put in Man? Did God take it when man fell? No. It's that breath that is immortal in man.

Man is always immortal, but his immortality is not effective in this side of life. Jesus did not come to give us immortality, we already have it, he came to give us a choice where we will spend eternity. Immortals will spend eternity either in hellfire which is eternal or in heaven God's Kingdom which is also eternal.

Jozzy4:


I said cut off from God . like cutting off the branches of a tree .

" Everyone remaining in union with him does not practice sin; no one who practice sin has Either seen him or come to know him " 1 john 3:6

How does a man who doesn't have a spirit and is 100% human, connect with God like the branch of a tree, when God is 100% spirit?

Op, if I should respond to ur question the way u asked, I would ask you why is it that one is jailed for life on a murder committed in two seconds.
It appears you don't know what sin does. It corrupts. So it's not about the number of times or years, but just that a corrupt material is inadmissible in heaven, hence, someone who was righteous for 79 yrs but slipped away two days before his demise would not make it, while one who prostituted for 88yrs but repented two minutes before her exist has her next abode in heaven.

analice107:

Am ignorant now? No more confused?
How many scriptures have I posted to you? You dodged them all.
What is the Breath you are talking about?
Let's analyse it.

Amplified Bible Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being.

What is this verse saying? God had created man in his image which is immortal, invincible and spiritual. But for Man to exist here in this realm he needed a body, hence the clay/dust.

the Genesis account above never said but for man to exist here, let me create a body for him


you lied!

the scripture said : ' God formed the man out of dust ' Gen 3:19 , the màn out of dust!!! not give him a body out of dust


this again requires the evidence from you that God made an immortal , invisible, and spiritual being which exist before Adam !

i tag this ( B4)

Then God breath his image into that clay/dust.

which scripture said this ?

i need that scripture to back your statement , i tag this #B5#

defend this claim .

That clay/dust is not Man.

on the contrary , scripture said the man is from dust . Gen 2:7
,

"YOU [ Adam ] are dust" Gen 3:19...see your life.

Man is what God breath into the clay.

BIG LIE !

can u support that with scripture ?

scripture said man is from dust and what God breath into him is thw BREATH OF LIFE INTO HIS NOSTRILS, NOSTRILS , NOSTRILS,.

Haba, na full grown man dem breath into Adam nostril ehn ? reduce ur lie , small nah .


to complicate your confusion, do u know thay God gave animals this same breath of life ? is it man God breath into them ? pls answer . Gen 7: 21,22

That clay/dust would have lived forever if Adam hadn't fallen.

read the rubbish u typed, who is dust? who is Adam ?

When Man fell, the link that connected Man to his creator was broken, hence; death of the body returning back to where it came from.

who is giving u all this lies ?

" YOU are dust and to dust YOU shall return" Gen 3:19,, the pronoun YOU refer who ?

be truthful for once .

But what happens to the Breath God put in Man? Did God take it when man fell? No.

that breath returns to God who gave it Ecc 12:7 , stop lying

It's that breath that is immortal in man.

that is a lie, Remember God gave animals the same breath ? , why not say they are imortal ?

Man is always immortal, but his immortality is not effective in this side of life. Jesus did not come to give us immortality, we already have it, he came to give us a choice where we will spend eternity. Immortals will spend eternity either in hellfire which is eternal or in heaven God's Kingdom which is also eternal.

if màn is immortal, just admit Jesus death is useless . u cant give eternal life to immortal beings, he alreàdy Have it .



i expect your evidence for B1- B5

Jozzy4:


the Genesis account above never said but for man to exist here, let me create a body for him


you lied!

the scripture said : ' God formed the man out of dust ' Gen 3:19 , the màn out of dust!!! not give him a body out of dust


this again requires the evidence from you that God made an immortal , invisible, and spiritual being which exist before Adam !

i tag this ( B4)



which scripture said this ?

i need that scripture to back your statement , i tag this #B5#

defend this claim .


on the contrary , scripture said the man is from dust . Gen 2:7










"YOU [ Adam ] are dust" Gen 3:19...see your life.




BIG LIE !

can u support that with scripture ?

scripture said man is from dust and what God breath into him is thw BREATH OF LIFE INTO HIS NOSTRILS, NOSTRILS , NOSTRILS,.

Haba, na full grown man dem breath into Adam nostril ehn ? reduce ur lie , small nah .


to complicate your confusion, do u know thay God gave animals this same breath of life ? is it man God breath into them ? pls answer . Gen 7: 21,22




read the rubbish u typed, who is dust? who is Adam ?



who is giving u all this lies ?

" YOU are dust and to dust YOU shall return" Gen 3:19,, the pronoun YOU refer who ?

be truthful for once .




that breath returns to God who gave it Ecc 12:7 , stop lying



that is a lie, Remember God gave animals the same breath ? , why not say they are imortal ?







if màn is immortal, just admit Jesus death is useless . u cant give eternal life to immortal beings, he alreàdy Have it .



i expect your evidence for B1- B5

I thank God I have never called you any name since the beginning of this discussion.

How many times will I repeat myself answering you this same questions with scriptural backings? And why do you keep ignoring the scriptures? Wait!!!, you will fault Watchtower if you treat them.

JOZZY4 do you know that scriptures dont stand on their own to make meaning? Scriptures interpret scriptures. Let's see your Gen 3:9. From dust you were taken and from dust you shall return.
And I asked you but you dodged, what happened to the life force which was the spirit of God which was breath into him? If Adam was all the lump of clay why did he lie there not moving until the breath/lifefore/spirit of God came into him?

Let's see Genesis 1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image and likeness of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Note Ooo. He created them male and female.


Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being.

Where is the female? If God created them male and female, how come Adam was later formed from dust but Eve wasn't?

Could it be that creation had taken place before the dust forming?

Could it be that God took the created form of Adam which was his image (immortal, invincible indestructible and eternal) and put him in the clay he gathered together?

The Bible said God created man in His image. Is God dust? If you can answer this question then will be done here. Is God dust?
When you look at the structure standing before you, you think that's God you see? If God is a spirit and created man in His image and likeness, what will God look like, dust?
Even when I have posted the scripture that tells us that the dust/body we have is a cloth or tent which houses the spirit, you won't take it because the Watchtower says otherwise.

God gave animal the same breath? Really? Do you know plant breath?

In all my studies, I have never come across where the Bible said, "And God created the Lion from the dust and breath into him the Breath of life".

Genesis 1:24-25 And God said, Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creeping things, and [wild] beasts of the earth according to their kinds. And it was so.

And God made the [wild] beasts of the earth according to their kinds, and domestic animals according to their kinds, and everything that creeps upon the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good (fitting, pleasant) and He approved it.

O BUT OF MAN
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image and likeness of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being.

I Can't see God breathing into an Elephant sir.

It's just so unfortunate that you don't answer my questions, but you just call me a liar. Otio.

Let's talk about animals for awhile.
We are told that Adam ate a fruit and he (died) and his actions triggered time, which brought about aging which brought death.

But what triggered death in animals?
Was the unaging and undying nature of man the same with the animals? Or while Adam remained ageless, animals were growing old and dying?
Remember we are still talking about the breath of God both in animals and in Man.
Will animals resurrect? Will those Lions we see tearing others food stand judgement? Will they giant snake which swallowed an elephant stand before God for killing that Elephant?

Jozzy4 we have been on this long enough. So much truths have been revealed here, if we can't see what the scripture says then we will be held responsible for our fate after here.

I think this scripture is referring to you JW.
2Timothy 3:5
Having a likeness or form of godliness, but denying the power thereof...
... Ever learning but never, but never able to come to the knowledge of truth.
JWs call themselves Christians but deny the spirituality that characterises Christianity. How can you preach resurrection and Materialism at the same time? It's a contradiction.
My dear, I will sign off on you right here.

analice107:


I thank God I have never called you any name since the beginning of this discussion.

How many times will I repeat myself answering you this same questions with scriptural backings? And why do you keep ignoring the scriptures? Wait!!!, you will fault Watchtower if you treat them.

JOZZY4 do you know that scriptures dont stand on their own to make meaning? Scriptures interpret scriptures. Let's see your Gen 3:9. From dust you were taken and from dust you shall return.
And I asked you but you dodged, what happened to the life force which was the spirit of God which was breath into him? If Adam was all the lump of clay why did he lie there not moving until the breath/lifefore/spirit of God came into him?

Let's see Genesis 1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image and likeness of God He created him; male and female He created them.
Note Ooo. He created them male and female.


Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being.

Where is the female? If God created them male and female, how come Adam was later formed from dust but Eve wasn't?

Could it be that creation had taken place before the dust forming?

Could it be that God took the created form of Adam which was his image (immortal, invincible indestructible and eternal) and put him in the clay he gathered together?

The Bible said God created man in His image. Is God dust? If you can answer this question then will be done here. Is God dust?
When you look at the structure standing before you, you think that's God you see? If God is a spirit and created man in His image and likeness, what will God look like, dust?
Even when I have posted the scripture that tells us that the dust/body we have is a cloth or tent which houses the spirit, you won't take it because the Watchtower says otherwise.

God gave animal the same breath? Really? Do you know plant breath?

In all my studies, I have never come across where the Bible said, "And God created the Lion from the dust and breath into him the Breath of life".

Genesis 1:24-25 And God said, Let the earth bring forth living creatures according to their kinds: livestock, creeping things, and [wild] beasts of the earth according to their kinds. And it was so.

And God made the [wild] beasts of the earth according to their kinds, and domestic animals according to their kinds, and everything that creeps upon the earth according to its kind. And God saw that it was good (fitting, pleasant) and He approved it.

O BUT OF MAN
Genesis 1:27 So God created man in His own image, in the image and likeness of God He created him; male and female He created them.

Genesis 2:7 Then the Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath or spirit of life, and man became a living being.

I Can't see God breathing into an Elephant sir.

It's just so unfortunate that you don't answer my questions, but you just call me a liar. Otio.

Let's talk about animals for awhile.
We are told that Adam ate a fruit and he (died) and his actions triggered time, which brought about aging which brought death.

But what triggered death in animals?
Was the unaging and undying nature of man the same with the animals? Or while Adam remained ageless, animals were growing old and dying?
Remember we are still talking about the breath of God both in animals and in Man.
Will animals resurrect? Will those Lions we see tearing others food stand judgement? Will they giant snake which swallowed an elephant stand before God for killing that Elephant?

Jozzy4 we have been on this long enough. So much truths have been revealed here, if we can't see what the scripture says then we will be held responsible for our fate after here.

I think this scripture is referring to you JW.
2Timothy 3:5
Having a likeness or form of godliness, but denying the power thereof...
... Ever learning but never, but never able to come to the knowledge of truth.
JWs call themselves Christians but deny the spirituality that characterises Christianity. How can you preach resurrection and Materialism at the same time? It's a contradiction.
My dear, I will sign off on you right here.

hello! i want biblical evidences for post tagged B1 - B5 # . or else u remain a LIAR

Animals have Bréath of life in their Nostrils too

"
Genesis 7:21-23 New International Version (NIV)
Every living thing that moved on land perished— [size=25] birds, livestock, wild animals, all the creatures that swarm over the earth, [/size] and all mankind. Everything on dry land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. "

analice107:

No, you will make it clearer. You brought God's eternal days into this. Do men live in God's eternal days? Why didn't Adam drop dead immediately he ate the fruit?

You can't bring yourself to say, he died a spiritual death. You can't open your mouth to say, his spirit got separated from God at death.

You said earlier that the wages of sin is death, I asked you which death? Is it of the flesh or the spirit? If of the flesh what sin did Christ commit to have died? You dodged it. Now answer me.

So God lied when he said Adam will die the day he eat from the tree?

analice107:

No, you will make it clearer. You brought God's eternal days into this. Do men live in God's eternal days? Why didn't Adam drop dead immediately he ate the fruit?

You can't bring yourself to say, he died a spiritual death. You can't open your mouth to say, his spirit got separated from God at death.

You said earlier that the wages of sin is death, I asked you which death? Is it of the flesh or the spirit? If of the flesh what sin did Christ commit to have died? You dodged it. Now answer me.

If man is truine like you always say, so when it comes to sin the spirit should be exonerated?
Only flesh of man sin abi?
His spirit which is part of man according to you.

Jesus didn't die because he was a sinner, he actually died to redeem us from sins.

The punishment for sin is death like he showed you from the Bible.

CAPTIVATOR:


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No other word better than beautiful?

goodnews201668:


If man is truine like you always say, so when it comes to sin the spirit should be exonerated?
Only flesh of man sin abi?
His spirit which is part of man according to you.

Jesus didn't die because he was a sinner, he actually died to redeem us from sins.

The punishment for sin is death like he showed you from the Bible.

Am the the one who said man is triune in nature? Perhaps I wrote the following scripture?

1 Thessalonians 5:23 And may the God of peace Himself sanctify you through and through [separate you from profane things, make you pure and wholly consecrated to God]; (and may your spirit and soul and body) be preserved sound and complete [and found] blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ (the Messiah).

Am very sure Apostle Paul wrote that, not me.
Let me try to explain something. You don't have to believe it...

It's the soul of a man which commits the sin. And because the soul is invisible and immaterial it uses the instrumentality of the body (material, tangible flesh) to bring to pass it's schemes.

The spirit of man died in Eden. It lost its potency it's power or authority to resist, and took the nature of sin and is now in subjection to the will of the soul. It's always willing, desiring to do the things of God, because he came from God, but it can't, because it's under subjection.

In the life of a degenerated person, the soul is the Master, of both the spirit and the body, in that, the soul is man's consciousness, It is his mind. With the consciousness a man thinks, reasons, feels, his emotions emanates from there. There, he lust, there he loves, he feels happy or sad, he cries and laughs, he forgives or forebear to forgive. The totality of a man is his soul, his mind (consciousness).
It propels the man to take actions, but the actions are made possible by the body. The body is the motor, or vehicle, a means of transportation for the soul. It can not achieve anything without the body
e.g LUSTING; the eye sees an indecently dressed lady, she passes and goes her way, but the mind follows her. The image gets stock in the mind and imaginations starts running. It starts thinking and imagining the many many things it can do to and with her. It can even dream of those things it could possibly do with her. When over powered by these thoughts, it makes a move, but the move is made by the body. When the body gets to where the lady is, it is the soul that forms the words which will convey the message to the lady, but it is the body (mouth) which will speak the words out. It is the body which will take the lady home and do what the soul or mind wants. The gratification is in the mind, not in the body.
Meanwhile, the spirit is there trapped in by the Soul.
Wherever the soul wants to go, the spirit has no choice but to follow, the body takes them there. Whichever sin the soul wants to commit, the spirit has no choice but to go along, the body conveys them to the scene where the act will be carried out. The body makes it happen.

Now, when regeneration takes place, there's always an external force which the spirit in the degenerated person encounters. When that happens, the redundant spirits kicks back to life. But haven laid redundant for as long as it took to encounter life, it starts coming alive again gradually, by the help of training. Just like a baby learns every thing, the spirit learns. That's when the human conscience that's pricking an individual when he does something wrong.

The Bible said, to them that believe, he gave POWER to become sons of God.

It is this power that encounters the spirit and revives it back to life, and gives it the potency to reject what is wrong. So, the spirit and the soul are just using the body, depending on who is in strong and in charge at the time.

That's why Apst Peter called the new believers "babes". Just like the new born babes are given liquid milk rather than solid food, the new born babes in Christ are also tended with care with soft word until they mature. He called it the sincere milk of the Word.
Now, When the spirit comes alive in a man, is when the Battle begins. Remember the man was degenerated, and is now regenerated, but the regeneration is gradual and not yet complete, meaning, there's still elements of degeneration in him. The degenerated part which has been occupying the body for a longer period will always fight for mastery, that's why the regenerated person, keeps falling into sin, but striving to rise and stand firm. And at this point God understands, just like a parent doesn't get angry when her baby poos on itself. The babe gets cleaned up and put back on track.

When the spirit is constantly well and properly fed, (by the Word) it grows, mature and starts to learn to starve the soul.
How does the spirit starve the soul? The soul will see an indecently dressed lady, and wants to lust after her, the spirit rebukes the soul. "she is not you wife", Lust is a sin, stop it. The spirit begins to check the excesses of the soul/mind/consciousness/imaginations.

Remember it's the soul that has appetite not the body. Whether it's appetite for food or sex.
The spirit declares a fast, the soul resists with hunger. Brings all manner of temptation by imagining mouth watering sumptuous meals, all in a bit to cause the spirit to fall. Sometimes the spirit can fall, but if the spirit grows in discipline, the soul is brought under control. This, the Bible calls "Self control".

Note: I used, 'IT' to address the soul and the spirit. Reason is, there's no gender with the soul/mind/consciousness. There's no gender with the spirit. There's only gender with the body. That's why in Luke 20:36 Jesus said to the Sadducees that at resurrection, men shall neither marry or are given in marriage, for they shall become like Angels, and we know that Angels are sexless.

Shalom.

Jozzy4:


do u exist as a spirit man before you were born ?

How do you know that you existed before you were born?

OLAADEGBU:


How do you know that you existed before you were born?

seems u just quote people without taking the time to digest their point.

my point is if u guys are spirits being or angels in flesh as u all claim, then that spirit man should have existed before u were born, since what it needs is just body. it means the baby in a pregnant womans womb, did not start existing when sperm fertilize her moms egg, he was actually in existence as an immaterial person before that action. does that make sense to you ?

or does it sound biblical that Adam exist as a spirit before he was created ( note that, many claim the body is just a container .... so in essence what they are implying is that God create not Adam but his body alone. meaning the real being named Adam IS ALREADY EXISTING BEFORE CREATION .


I maintain that nobody exist before we are born , unless u can supply ur evidence that Adam exists before God create him ?

Jozzy4:


seems u just quote people without taking the time to digest their point.

my point is if u guys are spirits being or angels in flesh as u all claim, then that spirit man should have existed before u were born, since what it needs is just body. it means the baby in a pregnant womans womb, did not start existing when sperm fertilize her moms egg, he was actually in existence before that action. does that make sense to you ?

What makes you assume that we must have existed before we were conceived?

Jozzy4:


or does it sound biblical that Adam exist as a spirit before he was created ( note that, many claim the body is just a container .... so in essence what they are implying is that God create not Adam but his body alone. meaning the real being named Adam IS ALREADY EXISTING BEFORE CREATION .

The Bible did not say Adam existed in the spirit before his body was created, did it?

Jozzy4:


I maintain that nobody exist before we are born , unless u can supply ur evidence that Adam exists before God create him ?

I can say that Adam existed in the mind of God before he was created.