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| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by Abagworo(m): 2:11pm On May 01, 2016 |
This herdsmen issue has existed for decades but people who lost power in 2015 are trying to use it and get at Buhari. It can never stop unless all of Nigeria is united in it and tribe or religion removed from the caption. Eg these two phrases 1 " traders are the cause of roadside garbage In Lagos " 2 " Igbo Christian traders are the cause of roadside garbage in Lagos " Phrase 1 will help solve the garbage problem while phrase 2 will turn it to ethno religious issue thereby hindering ability to solve the problem. All Nigerians should say no to cattle herding as it is archaic and is almost extinct in other parts of the world. The Northern part of Nigeria has excess land for ranching and even agro-industrial growing of cattle feed. As long as herding is allowed then we have no reason to restrict their movement. |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by omobaekiti: 2:13pm On May 01, 2016 |
Honza27:You have only pointed to deductions I still ask what does he stand to gain,remember that there were attacks before he became president,are you saying that he sponsored those ones too or that he just decided to sponsor these guys to give his government a bad name...is this possible would you engage in such? if no what makes you think he is so foolish to cause problem for himself when he is trying to end the BH brouhaha... please educate me on this your conspiracy theory... and note,all herdsmen are not Fulani and all Fulani's are not herdsmen...so how are we 100% sure this herdsmen are Fulani's...I just want answers that's all. |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by piagetskinner(m): 2:20pm On May 01, 2016 |
Y wouldn't they say that when their daddy is the president |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by OROSUNBOLB(m): 2:35pm On May 01, 2016 |
Whoever is engaging in a round-table dialogue with Fulani is just wasting his time. They are not humans but blood sucking savages. What I know for sure is that Enugu-like invasion in any part of Oodua land will not go unchallenged. Fulani have never defeated Yoruba in any battle or war and it is not going to happen now or anytime. In actual fact, an open attack or invasion of any of our lands will signal a perfect opportunity to correct the mistake of Alaafin as regards Ilorin. Having crushed/defeated fulani ethnic soldiers in the battle of Osogbo (1840s) and sent the remnants back to Ilorin, Alaafin refused to give order to the Yoruba ethnic Army led by Ibadan war commanders to move in and rid Ilorin of fulani presence. Alaafin had previously vowed he would ensure that descendants of Afonja (founder of Ilorin) became 'slaves' on their land because of Afonja's treachery. That is the story of Ilorin. The easiest way to break-up this country is to set up a confrontation between Yoruba and Hausa-Fulani. Babangida realised that when he quickly stepped aside during the political crisis of 1993. What happened to fulani people in Oke-ogun in year 2000 will be a child's play this time around. You've been warned savages! |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by Owamudia: 2:36pm On May 01, 2016 |
Firefire:Yes they did! |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by OBAFEMIawolowo: 2:47pm On May 01, 2016 |
These guys will surely make buhari lose 2019 election |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by Firefire(m): 2:55pm On May 01, 2016 |
Owamudia:Clap for yah sef. ![]() |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by adimsmt: 2:58pm On May 01, 2016 |
nairacoded:I advice all the states in the south to enact a law which prohibit rearing animals in the open . Ranching is the solution for this problem . Yes Nigerian constitution allows free movement for human and not for animals. And in terms of doing business which are what herdsmen are doing. In each state there are rules and regulations in doing businesses of which none allows destruction of other people's livelihood .. |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by DauraDullard0(m): 3:21pm On May 01, 2016 |
ExInferis:Yimu! They're your benefactors. Don't abuse them please. I thought you were in alliance with the scarfaced Oduduwanksters... How come the marriage collapsed with the speed of light. ![]() |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by glossy6(f): 3:25pm On May 01, 2016 |
nairacoded:....... ......so long a letter ....by Mariama Baa |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by Nickymezor(f): 3:49pm On May 01, 2016 |
Such effrontery. .. Anyway its their constitutional right indeed, but it doesnt give dem d right to devastate crops n people's means of livelihoods. Hmmm, fr me WAR LOOMS o |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by Nobody: 4:17pm On May 01, 2016*. Modified: 2:41pm On Jan 13, 2021 |
pls Nigerians.they are all evil.. |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by keally: 4:21pm On May 01, 2016 |
kropotkin11:. You guys are just fooling yourselves while thinking you are fooling others, of course you know what you are, f***s. You are talking of constitutional rights but foolishly forgot that where your right stops mine starts. If by your excercising your right my life is endangered, I reserve every right to defend myself with whatever at my disposal. Self defence includes prevention of murder and genocide against my people by restriction of your movement. When curfew was imposed in Northeast why didn't you go to court enforce your fundamental human since your movement was restricted. We will restrict your movemement in the south and the heavens will not fall. Whatever you want we will give you. This is not 1967 that world powers fought for you. This time we will give them crude oil in exchange for weapons. This time your vast desert land will be the war front and will eventually be desertified the more. I advise you get into more alliance with ISIS and their likes, it will not save you from impending doom and destruction that will come on you proud f***s very soon. |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by jaz(m): 4:33pm On May 01, 2016 |
I'm tired of the term Nigeria. The south needs to break away from the north, have and defend it's own territory as a separate nation |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by OneManLegion(m): 4:35pm On May 01, 2016 |
omonnakoda:Bros, do not argue on what you don't know. Cows and alligators are not the same. Cows are domestic mammals while snakes and crocodiles are venomous, wild reptiles. I understand you are angry, but learn to analyse issues with disinterest. I didn't say they have a right to trespass on other people's property, I said they have the right to move to any state with their cows. Quote me again when you can produce a statutory or judicial authority that goes contrary to my assertion. |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by Nobody: 4:36pm On May 01, 2016 |
keally:Your emotional opinion is of no consequence |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by Nobody: 4:48pm On May 01, 2016 |
Babacele:Uncle, I traversed the North when Jigawa had Sahad stores as the only supermarket and Rafin Sayin was the only place to drink cold beer. I was there till they built an airport.... I was there from the beginning of Kano flyovers till I moved on, Azare, Bauchi, Yobe, Maiduguri up to MallamFatori.... Unless a rapid metamorphosis took place, that place was dark and evil then... You can believe what you want. |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by Nobody: 4:51pm On May 01, 2016 |
glossy6:That book broke my heart as a child. It actually destroyed my psyche |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by IYANGBALI: 4:57pm On May 01, 2016 |
Baba and hell rufai have tolded them what to say and do. Civil war loading |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by Mbediogu(m): 5:00pm On May 01, 2016 |
Firefire:Spokesman for Fulani cattle men was right when he said the constitution guarantees free movement for citizens. Does it also guarantee same for cows, or do Fulanis put themselves at par with cows? I am not even sure that there is constitutional right for migrating plundered and killers. Let's get it right. |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by donvicky2007: 5:08pm On May 01, 2016 |
kropotkin11:The Nigerian constitution empowers her citizens with the right of movement but doesn't empower "animals" the freedom of movement, we are not against the herdsmen but we are aganist them moving their cow and destroying farmlands. |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by Babacele: 5:11pm On May 01, 2016 |
mykl01:n you can tell about the ever peaceful Sokoto, the cosmopolitan of modern Gombe, the pride of Kaduna, aloofness of Bauchi, or the colourfulness of Plateau; plurality of Nasarawa,Benue and Niger? u can tell me about the friendliness of Adamawa,Kastina, Taraba and Kebbi not to talk of war torn Bornu. .? Sahad stores may not be in Jigawa ,the new world, but the number of Aboki stores n commercial centres that deal in goods n services from which many across the Niger secure their livelihoods ain't bad after all.. isn't certain gaps meant to be filled by entrepreneurs instead of condemning the opportunity as a regional sin? All fingers are not equal but all are important , if u doubt me ,cut 1 of yours to disprove me...Lols...Let us love Nigeria more. God bless Naija. |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by omonnakoda: 5:11pm On May 01, 2016 |
OneManLegion:Well your assertion is what needs proving. There is an aphorism :ei incumbit probatio qui dicit non qui negat It is incumbent on he who asserts a thing to prove it not on he who denies to refute It is for you to prove your assertion that there is a right to move domestic animals without restriction.Animals do not have rights. You cannot move anything on land that does not belong to you without the owner's consent Now you have introduced the term "domestic animal" is there a definition for that in our statutes. Please define domestic The word domestic animal does not appear anywhere in our constitution NOT ONCE.Leaving that to one side as it is neither here nor there. Even if you were moving biscuits the movement can be regulated by laws. You have no right to trespass There is no right without limits. Nigeria's constitution is not materially different from the US or elsewhere. People do not moves cows across other people's lands in these places instead they rent land and plant grass and move their animals to market in trucks There are rights to move goods etc but they can be regulated .Secondly the key issue here is the right to graze on lands that you DO NOT OWN and the question of HOW TO MOVE animals from location to location. i,e can you move cattle on motorways roads etc or only in vehicles. It is possible to discuss issues and disagree without being rude ie "learn to analys before..." . If you see me in real life you will never utter those words so please stick to the issues and avoid unnecessary personal remarks. The only evidence that you have superior analytic tools resides only in your mind. With regard to the movement of animals domestic or otherwise that is NOT a right. |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by Litmus: 5:48pm On May 01, 2016*. Modified: 8:33pm On May 01, 2016 |
Until, relevant Nigerian communities begin industrial scale cattle production, are State governors allowed to import beef for their citizens from a foreign Nation like Kenya? Confucius say, he who goes to bed with itchy butt, should expect to wake up with funky fingers... |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by marlockj: 5:50pm On May 01, 2016 |
nairacoded:Something shock me about this fulani Ppl...they can enter anywhere with their cows....no fear of death.. |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by islandmoon: 6:03pm On May 01, 2016 |
KIRIJI:But do you think those things still works? |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by lagosrd: 6:36pm On May 01, 2016 |
omenka:So with all the book wet you read this is your conclusion no problem now. If grazing is still practised in civilized world we will know. Shebi no one can challenge them abi we will see. This if not proper handled will only set the country on fire. Meeting farmers on their farms and killing them and raping their wives is still part of the land use act abi. See no one has monopoly of wahala. By the time they shift people to the wall even the president will not be able to beg. This country belongs to everyone and you can't come to my domain/ territory and start attacking me and you think I should start calling in Jesus name or Allah akubar. Nnmba nu (no not at all) |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by spiralwedge(m): 6:36pm On May 01, 2016 |
seguno2:Dont be silly. Read the whole comment and stop picking out abstracts. |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by spiralwedge(m): 6:43pm On May 01, 2016 |
Activa:Your bigotry only makes you read what you like. You are not making sense to me again, because its either you understand what crime means (in all of my comments, with examples) or you just chose to be back and forth unnecessarily. You can continue having a monologue. |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by naijaking1: 6:45pm On May 01, 2016 |
Just like the oil in the south, the northerners also own the green grasses, the tropical rain forest, and the good-for-nothing individuals living there. |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by OneManLegion(m): 7:17pm On May 01, 2016 |
omonnakoda:I don't like talking too much on unambiguous issues. You were the one who stated that it's wrong for them to move their cows around and you supported your stance with the effete analogy of snakes and crocodiles(which I have dismantled). There's a Latin legal maxim that says: nullum crimen sine lege(No crime without law) and Nulla poenis sine lege(No punishment without a law[that outlaws such]). I maintain that there's no law that outlaws or forbids the movement of domestic animals about. The onus of proof has shifted from me to you to prove the existence of such a law if indeed there is. Once more, don't quote me until you've brought statutory or judicial authorities to disprove my assertion. Note that if you don't do the above, I will not respond to your quote again. |
| Re: No One Can Stop Us From Grazing In The South — Fulani Herdsmen by omonnakoda: 7:24pm On May 01, 2016 |
OneManLegion:1. Dismantled? You made an assertion about domestic animals. I asked you to define "domestic" so we can explore that. LOUD SILENCE It is only when you answer that that we can talk about the movement of NON Domestic animal 2. The issue here is about rights not crimes. I have a right to move freely but I do not have a right to enter another's compound 3. I cannot talk about crimes without a name and other particulars 4. We are discussing the principle that cattle herdsmen can move their cattle to graze in land that they do not own. Do they have such a right YES or NO It is easy to confound and complicate things that are simple. It all comes down to does freedom of movement mean FREE RESOURCES. The pasture that is being grazed is it without owners. The crops on farms that are being eaten do the owners also have rights? Those are the issues here. Your argument is very egotistical about YOU and ME. I am not interested in dismantling or assembling. Just deal with the issues raised |
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or that he just decided to sponsor these guys to give his government a bad name...is this possible would you engage in such? if no what makes you think he is so foolish to cause problem for himself when he is trying to end the BH brouhaha... please educate me on this your conspiracy theory... and note,all herdsmen are not Fulani and all Fulani's are not herdsmen...so how are we 100% sure this herdsmen are Fulani's...I just want answers that's all.