There is Suleyman dan Aliyu, the 6th Emir of Ilorin.
Lawani's "Ajikobi descendant" wearing a turban and a thawb

Super1Star:


Chest beating?

An Army was defeated resoundingly in such a manner that they never recovered from the defeat and you are calling it chest beating?

In fact I should be dancing on my head for such a victory and not only beating my chest.

It still remains a fact that, no inch of Yoruba soil was EVER lost in battle.

Do you realize that the Osogbo war was an attempt by Ilorin to conquer Osogbo?
Basically, Emir Abdussalami sent the Balogun Gambari Ali to conquer Osogbo. Osogbo asked for reinforcements from Ibadan and at the end, the Ilorin army was routed.
The battle checkmated Ilorin's advances to the south but on a strategic level, it did not change the state of play with Ilorin still being one of the key players in that part of the world.

GorkoSusaay:
There is Suleyman dan Aliyu, the 6th Emir of Ilorin.
Lawani's "Ajikobi descendant" wearing a turban and a thawb

All Ilorin people even Ibadan Muslims wear turban, Ijesa Muslims wear turban. So turban is not indicative of origin. The person who signed Ilorin under Britain was a member of Ajikobi and the document is still with the Ajikobi. I have been trying to do more research but it seems there are not enough materials online. The Ajikobi have the protection document till today. It is very shameful to be going about claiming successful Hausas and Yorubas as Fulanis when they are not. These are people with thousands of years of sedentary culture. Be contented with what you got. No Ajikobi, Afonja, Alanamu, Baba isale will ever claim to be Fulani even if the Balogun Gambari and Balogun Fulani are doing so. To hold Ilorin under Fulani was impossible back then, people back then were no fools. The majority of the Baloguns were Yorubas, the Bariba were Yoruba allies, even the Balogun Gambari Karara submitted himself under Oba Moma approved by the Alaafin. He did so to avoid calamity. Do you think it was a play or what?. We are talking of life and death. The Ilorin were surrounded by Bariba, Igbomina and Jebba, all Yoruba and Yoruba allies. Any attempt to put a Fulani as head would have resulted into their annihilation, the total annihilation of all the Fulanis in Ilorin. DONT BE A FOOL.


My own great grandfather was a turban wearing Imam.

The Afonjas stayed in Ilorin because the Fulani never conquered Ilorin, their father was merely killed by Yoruba Muslims. In contrast to that there is no Basorun Gaha family in Oyo anymore. Those who did not escape were killed. Today, maybe you will find them in Oyo outposts like Badagry and Ajase now called Porto Novo.

fallout87:


Every time you post you further prove my point and support what I am saying.

Did I not say the relationship between Fulani and the other tribes is akin to the relationship between master and servant?

Which servant causes his master too much trouble? One that doesn't value his life! Only a foolish person would believe a Kanufi man would be happy with allowing a Fulani to rule him. They just like the Hausa and the rest of the north must submit!

You say Fulani have leadership capabilities as if that is am exclusive trait and no other tribe has them. Fulani bloodlust and powerlust is second to none! This is the drive which has them uproot their opposition. This same vengence they have and determination which had them avenge even an abokii Fula not who has been discarded.

There is no way your father is Fulani. I won't believe it. Not the way you are talking. You must be a Hausa boy or from one of the other smaller tribes. Why do I say that? It is because that is how I have seen some of them reason in order to stick their head in sand to not acknowledge Fulani forced themselves as their masters!

They are attempting to do the same to the entire Nigeria. They will destroy this country. For all the qualities your boast about them having, they only seem to know how to retain power and murder. Tell me what actual good they have done for Nigeria or for their own people with all the power they have obtained?

They are power and blood hungry. Period

Surely now I see where u are coming from, you had already made up your mind about the Fulanis, so it's futile to reason with you, but know that your believe that the relationship btw fulani and other Northern tribes is that of slave and master is completely wrong. I don't know where or how you conceived that notion, you can't be an outsider to us and then tell us our relationship. I bet by the way u talk about Fulani you usually tremble at the sight of them ( I.e. if u can recognise them ) because of the horrible picture of them you painted in your mind.

Finally, am a Fulani, who can trace his ancestry both (paternal and maternal) back to 3 centuries ago.

So am done arguing, clear ur mind the fulani are not what you think they are. Thanks for the interactive sessions. Stay happy.

Baaballiyo:


Surely now I see where u are coming from, you had already made up your mind about the Fulanis, so it's futile to reason with you, but know that your believe that the relationship btw fulani and other Northern tribes is that of slave and master is completely wrong. I don't know where or how you conceived that notion, you can't be an outsider to us and then tell us our relationship. I bet by the way u talk about Fulani you usually tremble at the sight of them ( I.e. if u can recognise them ) because of the horrible picture of them you pointed in your mind.

Finally, am a Fulani, who can trace his ancestry both (paternal and maternal) back to 3 centuries ago.

So am done arguing, clear ur mind the fulani are not what you think they are. Thanks for the interactive sessions. Stay happy.

I tremble at the sight of no one. Unlike you I am not a slave to a superior tribe or the Nigerian state. With that stated you definitely are not a Fulani and are as fake as an Igbo on NL posing as Yoruba or Yuroba posing as Igbo to start mischief.

You do not share their mindset. You do not share their vigor. It is clear if you are truly from the north you are from a lesser tribe.

lawani:


Stop deceiving yourself. An onion seller and Quranic teacher was in no position to out manouver the Aare Ona Kakanfo, he commanded no troops and Ilorin was never at any time dominated by non Yorubas. The place was dominated by Yoruba Muslims who killed Afonja. Afonja could not have surrounded himself with majority non Yorubas, since he was not a fool. The Afonja descendants say Alimi died before Afonja and that it was Abdulsalam his son that led a rebellion of Muslims against Afonja when Afonja said the position of Chief Imam is not hereditary, Afonja was killed in the rebellion by mainly Yoruba Muslims. Muslims were attacked across Yoruba land and they fled to Ilorin. Subsequently they delineated themselves under 6 Baloguns of which 4 were Yoruba and conducted jihads from Ilorin, at first led by Abdulsalam, then later by others, the last two or three Obas of Ilorin before 1897 were Yorubas but they could not allign with Ibadan and Oyo who see them as traitors who burnt down Oyo ile. So they dilly dallied, they allied with Ibadan, then with Ijesa until the Ajikobi put them under British protection in 1897. Balogun Ajikobi still have the document. If Fulani had conquered Ilorin, then they would have conquered Bariba and Jebba as well. The Hausa presence in Ilorin is stronger by far than the Fulani, their Balogun is strong while the Balogun Fulani is more or less nominal. So, what is the rationale behind spreading false tales that Ilorin was conquered by the Fulani?. Please stop the lies, let us endeavor to speak truth always. Even if Ilorin was occupied by the Fulani (such never happened). It is still a fact that Oba Sulaiman Dan Aliyu put Ilorin under Britain and he was an Ajikobi man. The document is still with the Ajikobi.

Dude it appears you like twisting history to suit your emotional needs.
Insinuating that a mere 'koranic' teacher Alimi could not have taken on Afonja betrays your ignorance of the matter under discussion.
Or your willful disregard of documented history.

Well, here's reality for you...a mere rehash ofcourse.
A mere 'koranic' teacher, Usman Dan Fodio, who was hired by the Sarkin Gobir as an Islamic cleric and tutor, rose up and declared war on
his Hausa lord. Let me put that into perspective for you. To even contemplate going to war against one of the Hausa city states of Daura,Kano,Gobir, Rano, Biram, Katsina,Zazzau, you need a strong calvary for the onslaught and well armed foot soldiers for the mop up operations. You need loyal field commanders, armourers and an appealing propaganda to justify the war.
dan Fodio was not only able to raise a strong calvary, but rallied round him Fulani and Hausa migrants,slaves, and disgruntled indigenes to fight against their overlords. The jihad while suffering initial defeats was largely succesfully beginning from the fall of Gobir to the Fulani forces.

In succession, all the settled Fulani 'koranic' teachers in ALL the hausa city states rose up and rebelled against their lords.
Mallam Musa in Zazzau became the first emir of Zazzau after receiving a flag from the Shehu himself with which he successfully took over power from the reigning Sarkin Zazzau. Infact the Sarkin Zazzau was routed and ran away to Suleja where he set up a parallel kingdom.

The commercial centre of the Habe kingdoms Kano fell to the Fulanis who under the garb of Islamic piety and reforms made a successful power grab for the thrones of their Habe overlords.

Adama Modibbo, a young Fulani Islamic cleric still undergoing tutelage came from the Fombina highlands near the northern Cameroon highlands to request a flag from Shehu dan Fodio who made him the leader of the jihad in those areas.
Adama was so successful that he not only crushed and enslaved the Bata natives, he also renamed the surrounding area after himself hence the name Adamawa. Adama even took on the Mandara dynasty and won territories from the Kanem Bornu empire.
All the Hausa city states including the so called Banza Bakwai of Nupe, Zamfara, Kebbi and the rest fell to the Fulani usurpers.

All these jihads were led by mere 'koranic' teachers.

A common factor in all the Fula emirates is that they simply took over the existing Hausa feudal structure and reorganized it along strict Islamic lines. All the Hausa nobles and patrician families where either driven out, killed or simply relegated to the background.
A de facto Fulani patrician ruling class was formed from Sokoto to Gwandu to Adamawa.
Names like the Dambazza family of Kano where the past COAS Abdul Rahman Dambazau came from are prime examples of powerful Fulani ruling class families spread all across the North.

Bola Ige knew the full story, a total of 200 or more Fulani patrician families hold the strings of power in Nigeria.
That is what it is. You can either accord them the respect due capable conquerors or gloat in helpless derision.

As for Ilorin, this is how Kwara state university describes it:

Ilorin Emirate was established in c.1823 following the success of an Islamic movement initiated by a renowned Fulani Islamic scholar, Shaikh Salihu ibn Janta (d. c.1823). Its first Emir, Abdulsalami (reigned c.1823-c.1836) was the son and successor of the Shaikh. Ilorin city, in west-central part of modern Nigeria has remained the headquarters of the emirate since its inception and is today the capital of modern Kwara State. The Emirate has a dual identity as one of the ”successor states” of Old Oyo Empire as well as a ”Frontier Emirate” of the Sokoto Caliphate.

http://www.kwasu.edu.ng/cimanuscripts/index.php/about-ilorin-and-its-heritage

Here is how the official Ilorin city site describes it:

THE rivalry between the Fulani and Afonja descendants over the throne of Ilorin is rooted in history.
While the Fulani rest the case of their claim to the kingship of the ancient town on the fact that the monarch had from the time immemorial been produced by them, the Afonja descendants, who like majority of the people of the town are Yoruba, say since their ancestor founded Ilorin, their claim to the throne ought not to be disputed.
History appears in support of the former's position although the progenitor of the Fulani indigenes of Ilorin, Alimi, was actually a tenant to Afonja.
The death of Afonja and Alimi, however, saw the eldest son of the latter emerging as the first monarch of what was then known as Ilorin.

- See more at: http://www.ilorin.info/fullnews.php?id=10472

Contrary to your opinions, the British actually confirmed the positions of the ruling Fulani emirate family in Ilorin.
The Yoruba natives had risen up against the Emirate but their rebellion was not successful, as the rulers the British met on ground were
the descendants of Alimi. Even then there was no Oba in Ilorin.
Keep to the facts dude, it wont hurt you at all.

Physicist:
I am a Yoruba man. I really find these discussions interesting. What I can deduce from these are:

Fulani are good at treachery in addition to being good in fighting wars.

Yorubas in general were never completely united in the past, in the present and possibly would never be united in the future. I grew up in Ondo State. As recently as early 1980s, we usually referred to the people in present Oyo state and some parts of Osun state as Yorubas. The others we just referred to as Ekitis, Ijebus, Egbas, Ijeshas, Akokos, Ikales etc.

My brother thanks for an erudite perspective.
These mini tribalism is the nature of post colonial Africa, not just Yoruba land, some big mouthed fool would say otherwise.

In Igboland, it's the same, the riverine Igbos (Port harcourt, Oguta, Asaba) are called mba mmiri-water people, and they are very proud for being first to associate with the white man. All previous high level government positions were held by them, the the late Oba of Benin-Prince Akenzua was a permanent secretary in Enugu in the 1960s, that's how easy it was for a Benin person to land a job then.

Then we have Udi/Awgu/Ezeagu farm based areas-my area, where people fed fat and milled foolishly around for years until pushed to go to school. They were called the wawa people, because they would always answer wawa instead of saying no to a question.

Then the Onitsha/Nnewi axis where the earliest western development actually touched down in Igboland produced people who took over from the Mba-mmiri people after the independence. From Zik, Ojukwu, and Ekwueme. They're called them agba-elu, because some how they looked down on the rest.

Don't forget the the core Igboland of Owerri/Umuahia axis with their culture, and not to be forgotten are the Nsukka/Abakaliki/Afikpo people that barely speak Igbo. If oil had been found, I'm sure Hausa people would have placed some of them inside Benue or Cross Rivers!

If Europeans had not come into contact with the Yorubas, the Fulani might have used the same treachery they used in Ilorin to capture other Yoruba towns. On the other hand the Yorubas might have regrouped and captured Ilorin back. In case you doubt this, why did the then Alaafin of Oyo abandon his old capital? It might be tactical retreat to regroup or fear of the Fulanis.

I also believe Yoruba warriors then were very ferocious. For example it seems without the connivance of some Ilorin Yorubas, the Fulanis would never have taken Ilorin. The way the Fulanis dominated the Hausas or some part of the North was only possible in Ilorin.

I think Fulani in general have leadership skills and think into the future not just the present. Every civilian head of the country from the north (Tafawa , Shagari, Yaradua and Buhari) is Fulani or have at least 1 Fulani parent. I do not think this is a coincidence considering the fact that Fulanis are probably not up to 20% of the Northern population.

From my observations, the Fulani are bullies and very cunny who understand how to jostle for and keep power through diplomacy, treacheries and violence. I believe the Fulanis will submit to superior violence. Why are Fulani herdmens not in Sambissa forest? I personally believe the grazing reserves being proposed in the country is part of their calculated plan to jostle for power and domination of the entire country.

I personally think some of Lawani arguments are based on emotions and hearsays and not facts. I understand he is very angry that a Fulani or Hausa is emir of Ilorin. But some of his arguments have no basics. For example saying Kwankwaso is a Yoruba. Even if Kwankwaso DNA is Yoruba, Kwankwaso does not identify as Yoruba. Why force him to be Yoruba? I can see this pattern in many of Lawani arguments though he seems to know Ilorin history very well and is ready to say the truth about Ilorin history and to twist Ilorin history to suits his purpose as he deems fit.

That also true, even if a person answers Igbo name, does that make him an Igboman, especially if he refuses to be identified as such. If kwankwaso doesn't want to acknowledge his Yoruba roots or lack of, then we should forget about him. From Emeka Oliseh, to Rotimi Amaechi, to Kakichukwu are people who occasionally deny being Igbos, and it's good, because there's sometingh about them the disqualifies them from being Igbo in the first place.

Hausama2:
How long shall we huasa be ruled by the fulani in our land.
How long shall we keep quite
We huasa have decided to fight for our right
From know any Emir that vacates his office we must install a huasa man as Emir
Failure to do so we will fight for our right
Every Muslims are equall
We hausas must produce the next
Emir ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
WE ARE NOT SLAVES TO THE FULANIS
COMON FCT MINISTER THAT WAS SUPPOSE TO BE GIVING TO US BUHARI GAVE IT TO HIS FULANI BROTHER. painfully during election they will say we are one north but after elections the fulanis will grab everything , nepotism is in their blood, killing anyone that speaks the truth is their slogan
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH
NO TO FULANI SLAVERY
#BRINGBACKOURHAUSAKINGS

Too little too late, except you want to declare Arewa Republic, then we support you

Pablo Africanus, you seem to be one of the Igbo spoilers lol, who can not miss an opportunity to jest about this Ilorin matter.

You see, Oyo, Ijesa, Benin, Ijebu and etc were Ife successor states while Ilorin, Ibadan, Dahomey, Egba, Ogbomosho were Oyo successors, all of them, especially Ilorin, Egba and Dahomey rebelled against Oyo, nowadays the Ibadan do not see themselves as under Oyo. Ilorin tried to reduce some others to tributary status as did the Dahomey, Ilorin was Muslim like Iwo so the moves to reduce others to tributary status was viewed as a jihad. Iwo never did that, there lies the difference. None of the links you posted said Ilorin had a Fulani Emir in 1897 when it came under Britain. Type Oba Moma and Oba Sulayman Dan Aliyu into google and see what will come up. So Ilorin rulers use the title Oba and Emir is merely a newspaper title.


I agree with you that it is possible for an Imam with political ambitions to manipulate things, I concede that but it was not successful in Ilorin, the manipulation did not work as there were Yoruba Muslims who senior the man. Shitta Bey was honoured by the Ottoman Turks who were the strongest Muslims in the world as at that time.


So use your brains as a sharp Igbo man. How can Ilorin be in Sokoto caliphate while Jebba is not and New Bussa is not? Ilorin was a Yoruba Muslim state placed under Britain by an Ajikobi Oba. The people would have to be complete morons to allow the Fulani rule them that time. Islam was not popular among Yorubas like among Hausas. People's eyes were wide open. Hausas were more immersed in the religion and were carried away. So, Ilorin was not under Fulani, neither was Jebba, 100 kms to the North, nor Baruten, New Bussa or any Bariba land, no Ebira or Igala land under Fulanis and the present Emir of Ilorin is Yoruba of Hausa descent though I will admit the Yoruba group Hausas and Fulanis together as collaborators. There is a saying Gambari pa Fulani, ko lejo ninu. Meaning 'Do not mention the case of a Fulani man unjustly killed by a Hausa man in my court', that is an Oyo saying reflecting the politics of the time.


So you are the one to brace up to reality. The Fulani never occupied Ilorin at any time and 4 out of 6 Ilorin Baloguns are Yoruba, Ilorin was a renegade Yoruba Islamic state successor of Oyo and signed under British protection by an Oyo prince who was a Mallam shown in the picture displayed on this thread,

GorkoSusaay:


Do you realize that the Osogbo war was an attempt by Ilorin to conquer Osogbo?
Basically, Emir Abdussalami sent the Balogun Gambari Ali to conquer Osogbo. Osogbo asked for reinforcements from Ibadan and at the end, the Ilorin army was routed.
The battle checkmated Ilorin's advances to the south but on a strategic level, it did not change the state of play with Ilorin still being one of the key players in that part of the world.

Ilorin has never been a strategic nadal in yorubaland. It was only a military outpost, that later turned to refugee camp from people fleeing the jihadist madness in Hausaland and other northern places. It later became a place of solace for muslims in yorubaland. It was a town founded by Afonja, the yoruba Generalissimo of that time because an Aare Ona Kakanfo cannot stay in the same town as the Alaafin, who is the Emperor.

Ilorin lacks any influence. Hence, the emirates or whatever you call it, never extended beyond the town Ilorin. Even Jebba that is our closest town to the north was never conquered. How can fulani walk 100km into the heart of yorubaland without waging any war and conquering any land and suddenly declared that they conquered Ilorin? Ilorin emirate came to be as a result of the active connivance of the yoruba muslims in Ilorin, as at then.

When the yoruba muslims and their foreign mercenaries of hausas and fulanis took their jihad nonsense beyond the gate of Ilorin, they met their waterloo. Till date, the whole of Ilorin is still surrounded by yoruba Obas. That says it all.

Get your fact right.

lawani:
Pablo Africanus, you seem to be one of the Igbo spoilers lol, who can not miss an opportunity to jest about this Ilorin matter.

You see, Oyo, Ijesa, Benin, Ijebu and etc were Ife successor states while Ilorin, Ibadan, Dahomey, Egba, Ogbomosho were Oyo successors, all of them, especially Ilorin, Egba and Dahomey rebelled against Oyo, nowadays the Ibadan do not see themselves as under Oyo. Ilorin tried to reduce some others to tributary status as did the Dahomey, Ilorin was Muslim like Iwo so the moves to reduce others to tributary status was viewed as a jihad. Iwo never did that, there lies the difference. None of the links you posted said Ilorin had a Fulani Emir in 1897 when it came under Britain. Type Oba Moma and Oba Sulayman Dan Aliyu into google and see what will come up. So Ilorin rulers use the title Oba and Emir is merely a newspaper title.


I agree with you that it is possible for an Imam with political ambitions to manipulate things, I concede that but it was not successful in Ilorin, the manipulation did not work as there were Yoruba Muslims who senior the man. Shitta Bey was honoured by the Ottoman Turks who were the strongest Muslims in the world as at that time.


So use your brains as a sharp Igbo man. How can Ilorin be in Sokoto caliphate while Jebba is not and New Bussa is not? Ilorin was a Yoruba Muslim state placed under Britain by an Ajikobi Oba. The people would have to be complete morons to allow the Fulani rule them that time. Islam was not popular among Yorubas like among Hausas. People's eyes were wide open. Hausas were more immersed in the religion and were carried away. So, Ilorin was not under Fulani, neither was Jebba, 100 kms to the North, nor Baruten, New Bussa or any Bariba land, no Ebira or Igala land under Fulanis and the present Emir of Ilorin is Yoruba of Hausa descent though I will admit the Yoruba group Hausas and Fulanis together as collaborators. There is a saying Gambari pa Fulani, ko lejo ninu. Meaning 'Do not mention the case of a Fulani man unjustly killed by a Hausa man in my court', that is an Oyo saying reflecting the politics of the time.


So you are the one to brace up to reality. The Fulani never occupied Ilorin at any time and 4 out of 6 Ilorin Baloguns are Yoruba, Ilorin was a renegade Yoruba Islamic state successor of Oyo and signed under British protection by an Oyo prince who was a Mallam shown in the picture displayed on this thread,

Hahahaha!
There they go again.
Actually I do not have to be Igbo to add to the discourse, and even if I were I fail to see how my contributions amount to a 'jest'.
This topic is one of the really interesting topics that has gone missing from NL and I miss the days of Katsumoto and co trashing out
historical details without resorting to tribal comedy.
I am an amateur student of history...sort of a hobby. Mind you I do not claim to have all the facts, so I am actually here to learn.
However, let's have a great discussion if you will.
The deliberate suppression of history by the Nigerian govt has led to massive ignorance among both our youths and elders.
Few people here in the South have any idea as to the reality of a Fulani ruling class in the so called Northern Nigeria.
Even fewer know ALL the emirates are Fulani creations and vehicles of hegemony over the Hausa states they took over.

On the Ilorin issue, you can twist the narrative as much as you want, but the Fulani element in the ruling circles of Ilorin cannot be wished away.
Ilorin for all purposes remains an emirate.
Most of the trappings of a typical Yoruba obaship are not only lacking but have never been a part of
the Emirate since the times of AbdulSalami.
Let us tally the existing situation in Ilorin by known Yoruba standards.
Tell us, does the court of Ibrahim dan Gambari have Egungun, Ogboni Oba or Ifa diviners?
Who are the representatives of the Iyaami who installed the Emir as a ruling Oba in Ilorin?
Between the Koran, Hadiths and the word of Ifa which holds sway as a political guide in Ilorin as an Emirate?
You will agree with me that the current Alaafin and his late father being professing Muslims has not diminished their status or practice
as faithful aborishas. Neither has the muslim populace in Ibadan or the Awori enclaves of Lagos eroded the Ifa practice or the Ogboni leadership prevalent in those areas.

Was AbdulSalami the son of Alimi given a flag by Gwandu? If yes, to what purpose?
If no, why is Ilorin titled an 'emirate'?
IMO, a starting point would be to list the successive Emirs of Ilorin and name their fathers.

Check out this list for details http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Nigeria_native.html

Super1Star:


Ilorin has never been a strategic nadal in yorubaland. It was only a military outpost, that later turned to refugee camp from people fleeing the jihadist madness in Hausaland and other northern places. It later became a place of solace for muslims in yorubaland. It was a town founded by Afonja, the yoruba Generalissimo of that time because an Aare Ona Kakanfo cannot stay in the same town as the Alaafin, who is the Emperor.

Ilorin lacks any influence. Hence, the emirates or whatever you call it, never extended beyond the town Ilorin. Even Jebba that is our closest town to the north was never conquered. How can fulani walk 100km into the heart of yorubaland without waging any war and conquering any land and suddenly declared that they conquered Ilorin? Ilorin emirate came to be as a result of the active connivance of the yoruba muslims in Ilorin, as at then.

When the yoruba muslims and their foreign mercenaries of hausas and fulanis took their jihad nonsense beyond the gate of Ilorin, they met their waterloo. Till date, the whole of Ilorin is still surrounded by yoruba Obas. That says it all.

Get your fact right.

Say when the Yoruba jihadists ventured out of Ilorin led by Abdulsalam Alimi's son, they were stopped, then another Alimi's son led them, after that, the following leaders were Yorubas, Oba Moma who was Afonja and Sulayman who was Ajikobi. The present Emir is a member of Balogun Gambari. The Fulani dont have the numbers nor the influence to instal a Fulani Emir in Ilorin. The Yoruba were frustrated by the Northern region government and subsequent military governments. All that will end soon.

PabloAfricanus:


Hahahaha!
There they go again.
Actually I do not have to be Igbo to add to the discourse, and even if I were I fail to see how my contributions amount to a 'jest'.
This topic is one of the really interesting topics that has gone missing from NL and I miss the days of Katsumoto and co trashing out
historical details without resorting to tribal comedy.
I am an amateur student of history...sort of a hobby. Mind you I do not claim to have all the facts, so I am actually here to learn.
However, let's have a great discussion if you will.
The deliberate suppression of history by the Nigerian govt has led to massive ignorance among both our youths and elders.
Few people here in the South have any idea as to the reality of a Fulani ruling class in the so called Northern Nigeria.
Even fewer know ALL the emirates are Fulani creations and vehicles of hegemony over the Hausa states they took over.

On the Ilorin issue, you can twist the narrative as much as you want, but the Fulani element in the ruling circles of Ilorin cannot be wished away.
Ilorin for all purposes remains an emirate.
Most of the trappings of a typical Yoruba obaship are not only lacking but have never been a part of
the Emirate since the times of AbdulSalami.
Let us tally the existing situation in Ilorin by known Yoruba standards.
Tell us, does the court of Ibrahim dan Gambari have Egungun, Ogboni Oba or Ifa diviners?
Who are the representatives of the Iyaami who installed the Emir as a ruling Oba in Ilorin?
Between the Koran, Hadiths and the word of Ifa which holds sway as a political guide in Ilorin as an Emirate?
You will agree with me that the current Alaafin and his late father being professing Muslims has not diminished their status or practice
as faithful aborishas. Neither has the muslim populace in Ibadan or the Awori enclaves of Lagos eroded the Ifa practice or the Ogboni leadership prevalent in those areas.

Was AbdulSalami the son of Alimi given a flag by Gwandu? If yes, to what purpose?
If no, why is Ilorin titled an 'emirate'?
IMO, a starting point would be to list the successive Emirs of Ilorin and name their fathers.

Check out this list for details http://www.worldstatesmen.org/Nigeria_native.html

Your link is helpful but it has a lot of errors. It described Ijebu and Oyo as Northern Nigeria amongst other errors. It is noteworthy that it described Bariba as a state whose foundation date is lost in antiquity, it described Ilorin as a rebellious Oyo successor state, Abuja as a Habe successor state while most Emirates are Fulbe Jihad states. Most importantly, it never described Ilorin as a Fulbe Jihad state, it only described the former Habe states as such. So do the Maths, if no Bariba was under Fulani and Jebba was not under Fulani, Pategi was not under Fulani, how can the Fulani Jihad have reached Ilorin? How possible is that? The actual fact is that Hausa refugees relocated to Ilorin in huge numbers and many were Habe aristocrats and they became a force to be reckoned with in Ilorin but they had one Balogun while Yoruba had 4. The present Emir of Ilorin is presumably a descendant of the Habe rulers but it was an Oyo prince of the Ajikobi who put Ilorin under British protection.

Jebba is a Kingdom of 33 towns spread North and South of River Niger with one monarch. They are 100 km North of Ilorin. So if a town in Anambra is not a Yoruba land how can Ilorin be a Fulani town? A Yoruba of Fulani descent has never been Governor in the place and this Emir issue is just tomfoolery but it will be reversed all thesame.

http://peoplesdailyng.com/weekend/index.php/news/national-news/143-features/4879-54-years-after-independence-jebba-kwara-communities-still-without-water

Most of the people being touted as Emirs of Ilorin were mere chief Imams who were not allowed to negotiate with the British.

http://unilorin.edu.ng/publications/omoiya/The%20Colonial%20Conquest%20of%20Ilorin.pdf

@lawani

Dude even your links debunk your assertions.
It's all about the 'Emir' of Ilorin...so to speak.
There is a recognized Emir of Ilorin...not a chief Imam like you claim or even 'chief cleric'.
Even the Oba of Jebba had to go to court to defend his title against the moves of the 'Emir' of Ilorin to dethrone him.
Besides you are digressing and not focusing on the topic under discussion.

Here let me help you out...let's put your opinions to the test.
I have copied and pasted the names of the successive emirs of Ilorin.
Check out the family tree.
You mean a Yoruba oba, an Oyo one for that matter, descended from the Oranmiyan line of kings,
started this below dynasty?
Are you contesting the fact that these emirs began ruling over the emirate established by the Fulani
son of the Fulani koranic teacher Salih Alimi?
Mind you the argument is not whether they have acculturated or speak Yoruba or not, cos Tunde Idiagbon
was said to be Fulani by insiders despite his Yoruba.
Prove to us that there was no Fulani founded emirate in Ilorin, and while at it, give us proof that the past
and current holders of the title 'Emir of Ilorin' were never Fulani but Oyo men or even better 'Hausa of Yoruba' origin .
There you go:


[b]1817 Ilorin state separated from Oyo by rebellious commander.
5 Mar 1897 Part of British Northern Nigeria Protectorate.

Ruler (title Oba)
1817 - 1831 Afonja (d. 1831)
Rulers (title Sarkin Ilorin, also styled emir)
1831 - 1842 `Abdusalami dan Salih `Alimi (d. 1842)
1842 - 1860 Shi'ta dan Salih `Alimi (d. 1860)
1860 - 1868 Zubayro dan `Abdusalami (d. 1868)
1868 - 1891 Shi'ta `Aliyu dan Shi'ta (b. c.1845 - d. 1891)
1891 - 1896 Moma dan Zubayru (d. 1896)
1896 - 14 Jan 1915 Sulaymanu dan `Aliyu (b. 18.. - d. 1915)
1915 - Nov 1919 Shu`aybu Bawa dan Zubayru (b. 18.. - d. 1919)
17 Feb 1920 - Jun 1959 `Abd al-Qadiri dan Shu`aybu (b. 1887 - d. 1959)
30 Jun 1959 - 1992 Zulkarnayni Gambari dan Muhammadu (d. 1992)
Laofe "Aiyelabowo V"
1992 - Aug 1994 Malam dan `Abd al-Qadiri
1995 - Ibrahim Kolapo dan Gambari (later Ibrahim Sulu Gambari)[/b]

Don't digress to Jebba or Pategi this time.
Address the names and family tree you see in that list.
Prove to us those names are the names of Oyo men and their descendants.

PabloAfricanus:
@lawani

Dude even your links debunk your assertions.
It's all about the 'Emir' of Ilorin...so to speak.
There is a recognized Emir of Ilorin...not a chief Imam like you claim or even 'chief cleric'.
Even the Oba of Jebba had to go to court to defend his title against the moves of the 'Emir' of Ilorin to dethrone him.
Besides you are digressing and not focusing on the topic under discussion.

Here let me help you out...let's put your opinions to the test.
I have copied and pasted the names of the successive emirs of Ilorin.
Check out the family tree.
You mean a Yoruba oba, an Oyo one for that matter, descended from the Oranmiyan line of kings,
started this below dynasty?
Are you contesting the fact that these emirs began ruling over the emirate established by the Fulani
son of the Fulani koranic teacher Salih Alimi?
Mind you the argument is not whether they have acculturated or speak Yoruba or not, cos Tunde Idiagbon
was said to be Fulani by insiders despite his Yoruba.
Prove to us that there was no Fulani founded emirate in Ilorin, and while at it, give us proof that the past
and current holders of the title 'Emir of Ilorin' were never Fulani but Oyo men or even better 'Hausa of Yoruba' origin .
There you go:


[b]1817 Ilorin state separated from Oyo by rebellious commander.
5 Mar 1897 Part of British Northern Nigeria Protectorate.

Ruler (title Oba)
1817 - 1831 Afonja (d. 1831)
Rulers (title Sarkin Ilorin, also styled emir)
1831 - 1842 `Abdusalami dan Salih `Alimi (d. 1842)
1842 - 1860 Shi'ta dan Salih `Alimi (d. 1860)
1860 - 1868 Zubayro dan `Abdusalami (d. 1868)
1868 - 1891 Shi'ta `Aliyu dan Shi'ta (b. c.1845 - d. 1891)
1891 - 1896 Moma dan Zubayru (d. 1896)
1896 - 14 Jan 1915 Sulaymanu dan `Aliyu (b. 18.. - d. 1915)
1915 - Nov 1919 Shu`aybu Bawa dan Zubayru (b. 18.. - d. 1919)
17 Feb 1920 - Jun 1959 `Abd al-Qadiri dan Shu`aybu (b. 1887 - d. 1959)
30 Jun 1959 - 1992 Zulkarnayni Gambari dan Muhammadu (d. 1992)
Laofe "Aiyelabowo V"
1992 - Aug 1994 Malam dan `Abd al-Qadiri
1995 - Ibrahim Kolapo dan Gambari (later Ibrahim Sulu Gambari)[/b]

Don't digress to Jebba or Pategi this time.
Address the names and family tree you see in that list.
Prove to us those names are the names of Oyo men and their descendants.

I have been telling you again and again that if somebody can not sign a protection agreement with the British, then they are not a Monarch. I know Oba Moma was a real monarch who was approved by the Alaafin but he committed suicide when his Baloguns frustrated his move to ally with Ibadan and Britain. That one was accepted by the Yoruba, I will not again say that Sulayman was Ajikobi but the person who signed the protection agreement was Ajikobi and by the early 20th century, the two main Baloguns were Alanamu and Ajikobi both of whom were Yoruba. Lord Lugard took Ilorin over from Balogun Biala Ajikobi who was the monarch that appended his signature to the protection agreement with the British which means the Sulayman was a mere Imam that was not allowed to near the negotiation table.


All those men were Oyo men, same way the Sultan of Sokoto is Hausa but the difference is that the Sultan negotiated the Hausa under British protection while Ajikobi negotiated Ilorin and appended his signature.

I know what I am saying because my own great grandfather was called Baba Lemomu because he was a turban wearing Imam.


Alaafin Abiodun was a great Alaafin who was able to manouvre himself out of the vice grip of Bashorun Gaha, two of his Muslim sons have proved themselves to be made of excellent material and this must be recognised and taught in schools. One was the Ajikobi who was executed by the Alaafin for treason, his successor in Ilorin, Balogun Biala Ajikobi placed Ilorin under British protection with his signature while the other Mallam Mohammed Shitta was given the style Bey by the Ottoman empire. He was known later Mohammed Shitta Bey, the manwho built the Lagos central Mosque. The two of them are distinguished Africans though Islamists and their work should not be pushed under because some Fulani want everything.

lawani:
Most of the people being touted as Emirs of Ilorin were mere chief Imams who were not allowed to negotiate with the British.

http://unilorin.edu.ng/publications/omoiya/The%20Colonial%20Conquest%20of%20Ilorin.pdf

Thanks for this publication.

It made me to understand better that the Ilorin Emirate was created by the people of Ilorin willingly. The Emirs were mere figure heads because of their religious status as Imams. They NEVER had absolute power like in the other Emirates and they still do not have absolute power till date.

Super1Star:


Thanks for this publication.

It made me to understand better that the Ilorin Emirate was created by the people of Ilorin willingly. The Emirs were mere figure heads because of their religious status as Imams. They NEVER had absolute power like in the other Emirates and they still do not have absolute power till date.

The Emir was a mere Imam because even the British acknowkedged that at a point the Balogun Alanamu was the authourity and he had to be exiled to Jebba from where he still maintained authourity, he was then moved to Lokoja. After the Balogun Biala Ajikobi signed the protection agreement, they insisted it was a mere trade agreement, the Ajikobi too was sent on exile in 1907 but Ilorin being a Muslim state, the Baloguns saw the Emir as a prayer leader whom they propped up. It was a mistake because at the end, the colonial authourities graded the Emir above them. When the British propped the Emir up and he issued orders to the people, they laughed him off but the colonial authourities dealt with them. That was the beginning of the nonsense but the British acknowledged that the Ajikobi was the traditional head of Ilorin.

GorkoSusaay:


Do you realize that the Osogbo war was an attempt by Ilorin to conquer Osogbo?
Basically, Emir Abdussalami sent the Balogun Gambari Ali to conquer Osogbo. Osogbo asked for reinforcements from Ibadan and at the end, the Ilorin army was routed.
The battle checkmated Ilorin's advances to the south but on a strategic level, it did not change the state of play with Ilorin still being one of the key players in that part of the world.

It is wrong to be glorying on what Ilorin did as Fulani achievement. Ilorin was a breakaway Oyo successor, comprised of majority Yoruba like all Yoruba states. No Yoruba state is 100 percent Yoruba even today. Ilorin was never conquered by Fulani or Hausa but in 1845, the most prominent Balogun was the Balogun Gambari of Hausa descent, in 1877 during the Jalumi war when Ilorin was allied with Ijesa, the most prominent Balogun was Ajiun, a Yoruba, he led the Ilorin during the Jalumi war. Subsequently it was Balogun Alanamu that was in control of the place and he was deported to Jebba by Britain, later to Lokoja, then the Balogun Ajikobi was recognised by Lugard as the one traditionally in charge, he was also sent on exile by Britain. No Fulani was sent on exile during the struggle and the so called Emir was a chief Imam and not a paramount chief. Balogun Ajikobi signed the protection agreement with Britain. Now, the present Emir is Dan Gambari and not Dan Fulani, so Ilorin was not part of the Sokoto caliphate. Abdulsalam led the Ilorin down south once and was stopped by the Ijesa during the Pole war, they lost the major part of their calvary in that expedition inside the Ijesa forest. Later Ibadan stopped them at Osogbo. There were Fulanis and Hausas among them but the vast majority were Yorubas because Ilorin never fell to Fulanis or Hausas at any time. Ilorin was never invaded. If the Emir position is what is shirking some people, thank God the present Emir is of Hausa descent and not Fulani. It will nevertheless be reversed or revised to accomodate those who were exiled by the British, that signed the protection agreement, then the Afonja as well. So, it appears Fulani and Hausa elements reached their peak in Ilorin in the 1840s but even then Ajikobi was there, after that short spell, the Yoruba took over again. Some of my great Uncles who were Muslims must have relocated to Ilorin and fought on the Ilorin side. So if Yoruba Muslims connived with a few Hausas and Fulanis to jihad against other Yoruba, you can not be glorying in that as a Fulani. Fulbe jihad states are in the NW and a small part of the NC, no Yoruba land is there.

Fulani are fools forever

Oba of Ilorin loading....

Freedom for the Hausa our concern

GorkoSusaay:

"You" will take over Ilorin. Being said since 1826. Pray who will lead you? The Alaafin or the Ooni?

Lol. Chai diaris god o

bashnorth:
U r a lier. U r not Hausa. You r trying to divide us. Don't you know that 60percent of Fulanis can't speak fulfulde? Only Hausa. Pls stop this inyamuri.karya kake yi dan iska.

Lol. See mumu

Super1Star:
Kudos to lawani, you have given a new perspective to the Ilorin issue.

I have the Ibadan warriors to blame. After routing the Fulanis or Ilorins in Osogbo/Ikirun and pursuing them down to Ilorin gate, they should have taken it a step further by conquering that city once again.

[s]My only fear is they could have massacred the whole city for treason against Alaafin. Probably they also felt the population willingly converted to Islam, why should they liberate them.[/s]

The fact remains, no Army on.planet earth ever conquered an inch of yoruba land. Ilorin was a collaboration between foreigners and the citizens.

Unfortunately for them Ilorin is surrounded by yorubaland with Obas. To the north is Jebba, to the north west is Atakpame in Togo, to the south is Offa, to the SW is Ogbomosho, to the west is Oke-Ogun and to the East is Omu Aran, to the South East is the land of Igbominas and Ekitis and to the North East is Kaaba.

The Emirates is a mere nomenclature chosen by the people as they so wish. The day they are tired of it, they will burn down the palace and probably install an Emperor.

Imagine rubbish, they should've been massacred.

Yep Bring back our Hausa Kings and African ways instead of useless British thins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86gQfc1h50A

Very good. Hope the Hausas are beginning to wake up. Take back your lands, heritage etc from the murderous Fulanis.

They must be driven out of Nigeria, starting with Buhari.

GorkoSusaay:
There is Suleyman dan Aliyu, the 6th Emir of Ilorin.
Lawani's "Ajikobi descendant" wearing a turban and a thawb

Muslims wear turbans generally, even Egba Muslims wear Turbans

We hausa must take our rightful place by allah enough is enough!

Hausa unite!
Alfareeda rekhinat
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