HighIQ:
very lucrative. But there are nurses and there are nurses. The one with degree, those are the real nurses, the ones from nursing school. Those ones are local nurses. Which one hath thou?

You just called the ones from school of nursing local? Oboi you well so?

tohpahz:


I still stand on my point.. bns is just a certificate program..
I knw they learn on the job,but thats for those who want to..
It's really disappointing wen after getting the so called cert nd spending 6months in service, someone cant even do dressing properly nd wen u try to teach dem,they take it like ' what can u teach mi, am way better than u' they end up doing the wrk haphazardly.. is this how the nursing profession is supposed to be. ? and am talking abt a personal experience here
At least d docs whu are bin taught are willing to learn from d nurses..
As for ur betting 1kobo on d nursing process use.. its quite tasking but i can assure u that although it's not implemented in every case fully, it's done to an extent by me.. there are so many factors militating against its use.
Nd finally newly graduated docs can fuc.k up sha..
Mks me remember my pts days ..

Thanks.

You are gradually justifying my stand the more, wound dressing is just a procedure in nursing and I'm not holding brief for anyone cos I know hundreds of BNSc RNs that could rival you optimally in the procedure (maybe school you on it too #lolzz).
BNSc is not a mere certificate, and calling holders of it "so-called graduates" won't demean it in anyway (maybe only in your mind).

You need to know what current trends in nursing are as well as scopes of nursing. One can be a sound nurse in specialties in nursing that have little or nothing with wound dressing.

Thanks for being honest in your write up anyway

Shalom!

TheArchangel:
Get your BnSc after your RN as this dichotomy won't help anybody.
Whether they know it or not, babe, with time they will be well grounded in both theory and practicals and RNs will still be called their assistants according to FG while they go home with heavy pockets.

Thank you jare.

BNSc nurses still remain the best for me in Nigeria. They are well out spoken, and know how to relate with anybody in the health sector rather than the RN's that are timid and full of inferiority complex and can't even stand up for themselves. Yeah they are not fully exposed to practicals during their school days but they know the rationale behinde what is been done because theoretical knowleged is there. Give them just 3months of extensive clinical experience you will be wowed about their performance. That's why the internship is been fought for. It is the way the university system is for this health related courses that was why pharmacy, MLS, Medcine, and what have you have this one year of extensive exposure before the nysc program. You expect a BNSc nurse to become a supper nurse without the ideal training, then doctors and others should also become supper without the internship program.

opa4pr:

You don't have to be science oriented to study nursing. I know two Accountant and other two management background professionals who migrated to Australia studied nursing, and earning very well.

This is not entirely true. You may have a first degree in anything as it is also applicable to medicine but you have to meet up with the prerequisite at a community college before you can be admitted.
This is an excerpts from New York university website

"students with a baccalaureate degree in another field who have completed prerequisites.

The B.S. Program in Nursing for students with a baccalaureate degree in another field offers options for students who want to make a career change to nursing. Students enter the program with advanced standing of 44 liberal arts credits based on having a baccalaureate degree from an accredited university or college. Students must then complete or satisfy the requirements for the prerequisite courses in nutrition, chemistry, statistics, anatomy and physiology, microbiology, and developmental psychology and complete the 64 credits of nursing courses.

Students with a baccalaureate degree in another field who have successfully completed the prerequisite courses in nutrition, chemistry, statistics, anatomy and physiology, microbiology, and developmental psychology and maintain a 2.0 grade point average in the 64 credits of nursing courses can complete the B.S. program in 15 months."

tohpahz:


Lolzzzz seriously in this nigeria,there would never be a time where bns nurses would be more grounded dan rn nurses. Mark my wrds.leave all this Fg something .
nd yes am going for my bns soon just for d cert. . Added advantage.

Your post history shows that you are relatively new in this field, so take it from someone who went to the whole Merry go round of schools of this and that before acquiring her BnSc that you do not measure up both theoretically and practically. Other medical graduates are trained in the university and within a year of their internships ...kaboom..they become well grounded as they blend in theories with practicals, so why should nursing be different. Give them the required internship and you will see the effective results.
We should not leave FG out of it because they make the policies and institute the benchmarks and curricular for their education, FG knows who among the nurses are well rounded and can be able to hold their turf when push comes to shove.
I have this same mentality while training in all my schools of nursing and post basics and meeting this guys in the field with their in depth knowledge of anatomy, physiology, clinical chemistry, pharmacology and nursing procedures blew my mind and made me to think otherwise of the fallacious statements of my tutors and students alike. Nursing isn't all about practicals and if you insist it is in this modern age then it cements the arguments that non BnSC RN's are not professionals but a mere technicians and assistant.

When you enters the program you will understand fully that BNSC is not a mere cert as it will expose you to a whole new knowledge that will dissuade you to think otherwise.

tohpahz:


Lolz..its not a competition, a holder of bns cert only isnt qualified enough .

Oh God what am I seeing here

Who trained you in your school, RN holders Do you bother to clarify from your tutors why a degree in nursing is needed for all nursing tutors Are you indirectly saying that your tutors are not qualified enough to teach you.
This is very erroneous.

Kachisbarbie:
That dark nurse at the back in the picture, her hand would be very painful for injection.
I just know it

Talking from experience right?

Monifere85:
I don't know what it's like other than the US but it depends on where you live. I'm earning a second degree in Nursing. I've where'd as a CNA (nurses aide), and the lowest I saw some make was $7.25 per hour. Where I lived we made $15 an hour. Where I live now nurses aides man's anywhere from $10-$15 an hour, Lpn/LVN is $15-25 an hour, and RN makes close to $50 or more. Depend a on if they have a Bachelor's, masters, etc. You have very few who do it because they genuinely want to help, and have compassion for others. A lot do it for a paycheck.

Hi, I sent you a pm

[Madam or whoever u are
You need to correct your misconception that school of nursing graduates are more practically inclined than degree nurses.
It is a hundred percent not true
Go and borrow brain pleaseuote author=Bhanjea post=45169309]

Obviously from your post above,you re either a nurse with degree or probably u re just a person that is more grounded on what people say around you,without you examining ur resolution.
It's so funny when u regard a nurse that attends school of nursing as a local nurse but you av failed to recognise the fact that this school of nursing nurses are:
1. More practically oriented compared to the university nurses
2. Much more sought after in oversea countries than the university nurses
3.This school of nurses are mostly the ones the graduate nurses run after during their clinical rotations while in training and while practising to cover their flops.
Actually,I can't blame people like you because,the system values theory more than practical.
How many clinical hours do the so called graduate nurse have?,u can bet it with me that its not up to the numberof theory hours,that's why many patients are dying in our hospitals ,since we have neglected praticals and we re jumping into the book oriented nursing that produced people like you
So please don't refer to them as local nurse,they just decided to choose that pathway for their nursing licensure or u tell me what the essence of a bnsc degree in nursing is without you passing the nursing council exams and both the "local" and the graduate nurse do sit for the exams to attain a smiliar qualification to practise
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TheArchangel:
Oh God what am I seeing here

Who trained you in your school, RN holders Do you bother to clarify from your tutors why a degree in nursing is needed for all nursing tutors Are you indirectly saying that your tutors are not qualified enough to teach you.
This is very erroneous.

Wat are u saying.. nd yes Rn tutors had a part in my training. . wats wrong with that. Nd even if all my tutors are rn holders. We still rock dear.

Nd i still cant get how tutors entered this matter, d sudden shift is alarming.

TheArchangel:

Your post history shows that you are relatively new in this field, so take it from someone who went to the whole Merry go round of schools of this and that before acquiring her BnSc that you do not measure up both theoretically and practically. Other medical graduates are trained in the university and within a year of their internships ...kaboom..they become well grounded as they blend in theories with practicals, so why should nursing be different. Give them the required internship and you will see the effective results.
We should not leave FG out of it because they make the policies and institute the benchmarks and curricular for their education, FG knows who among the nurses are well rounded and can be able to hold their turf when push comes to shove.
I have this same mentality while training in all my schools of nursing and post basics and meeting this guys in the field with their in depth knowledge of anatomy, physiology, clinical chemistry, pharmacology and nursing procedures blew my mind and made me to think otherwise of the fallacious statements of my tutors and students alike. Nursing isn't all about practicals and if you insist it is in this modern age then it cements the arguments that non BnSC RN's are not professionals but a mere technicians and assistant.

When you enters the program you will understand fully that BNSC is not a mere cert as it will expose you to a whole new knowledge that will dissuade you to think otherwise.

So u wrnt thru everything ive ever posted on nl.. wow!!
U are talking abt ur own experience ,am talking abt mine too.. the bns nurses i hv seen know nothing both practically and theoretically.. .. no offense meant
,,except like 10-20% of them that are trying .. nd ive met a lot of ppl doing d bns program after rn,those done with it too+rn , those doing it as a first waterva. And guess wat, most of dem say bns is just for d cert..
So y shud i leave that thinking.. wen ive seen nd heard.

jagojunior:


You are gradually justifying my stand the more, wound dressing is just a procedure in nursing and I'm not holding brief for anyone cos I know hundreds of BNSc RNs that could rival you optimally in the procedure (maybe school you on it too #lolzz).
BNSc is not a mere certificate, and calling holders of it "so-called graduates" won't demean it in anyway (maybe only in your mind).

You need to know what current trends in nursing are as well as scopes of nursing. One can be a sound nurse in specialties in nursing that have little or nothing with wound dressing.

Thanks for being honest in your write up anyway

Shalom!

Lolz.. i only used dressing as an example. One of d many examples ive seen tho
Any way still doesn't change my opinion abt it bin just a cert.. at least till d internship wateva comes up in use fully.
Shalom too.

tohpahz:


Wat are u saying.. nd yes Rn tutors had a part in my training. . wats wrong with that. Nd even if all my tutors are rn holders. We still rock dear.

Nd i still cant get how tutors entered this matter, d sudden shift is alarming.

No you do not rock dear if they are all RN holders, it will make you a technician and assistant. What are the characteristics of a profession by the way ..huh?. Being taught by non degree holders and receiving non degree certs after graduation is same as learning crafts.
NMCN recommended that all tutors in schools of nursing must have BNSc, so deducing from your earlier comment of BNSc graduates not being qualified it invariably means that your tutors are not qualify too.
I may be right to believe that you do not know the qualifications of your tutors as the least tutor in a school of nursing has a BNSc and PGDe. Those with RME and RNE's are going for their degrees and most had acquired same. Why are you hellbent on defending the indefensible? Propagating RN's as the ultimate is now an exercise in futility as most nurses are now wiser, those who choose to leave in denial over the revolution in nursing education will be left behind.

tohpahz:


So u wrnt thru everything ive ever posted on nl.. wow!!
U are talking abt ur own experience ,am talking abt mine too.. the bns nurses i hv seen know nothing both practically and theoretically.. .. no offense meant
,,except like 10-20% of them that are trying .. nd ive met a lot of ppl doing d bns program after rn,those done with it too+rn , those doing it as a first waterva. And guess wat, most of dem say bns is just for d cert..
So y shud i leave that thinking.. wen ive seen nd heard.

You are yet to experience it, when you do I will like to read about your opinion.
Internship is part of BNSc program which made it a six year long course. With its implementation, I bet you in that one year, theories will blend in with practicals before the graduates are exposed to the labour markets.

TheArchangel:

Your post history shows that you are relatively new in this field, so take it from someone who went to the whole Merry go round of schools of this and that before acquiring her BnSc that you do not measure up both theoretically and practically. Other medical graduates are trained in the university and within a year of their internships ...kaboom..they become well grounded as they blend in theories with practicals, so why should nursing be different. Give them the required internship and you will see the effective results.
We should not leave FG out of it because they make the policies and institute the benchmarks and curricular for their education, FG knows who among the nurses are well rounded and can be able to hold their turf when push comes to shove.
I have this same mentality while training in all my schools of nursing and post basics and meeting this guys in the field with their in depth knowledge of anatomy, physiology, clinical chemistry, pharmacology and nursing procedures blew my mind and made me to think otherwise of the fallacious statements of my tutors and students alike. Nursing isn't all about practicals and if you insist it is in this modern age then it cements the arguments that non BnSC RN's are not professionals but a mere technicians and assistant.

When you enters the program you will understand fully that BNSC is not a mere cert as it will expose you to a whole new knowledge that will dissuade you to think otherwise.

Boom! You said it all.
When these same RN's go for their BNSc they always hail these graduate nurses because they never knew what was involved until they also started the program. I'm not talking about those who are doing the noun but those really into the university system.

TheArchangel:
You are yet to experience it, when you do I will like to read about your opinion.
Internship is part of BNSc program which made it a six year long course. With its implementation, I bet you in that one year, theories will blend in with practicals before the graduates are exposed to the labour markets.

I am waiting for its full integration,, that blending nids to be in progress soon enough..

TheArchangel:
No you do not rock dear if they are all RN holders, it will make you a technician and assistant. What are the characteristics of a profession by the way ..huh?. Being taught by non degree holders and receiving non degree certs after graduation is same as learning crafts.
NMCN recommended that all tutors in schools of nursing must have BNSc, so deducing from your earlier comment of BNSc graduates not being qualified it invariably means that your tutors are not qualify too.
I may be right to believe that you do not know the qualifications of your tutors as the least tutor in a school of nursing has a BNSc and PGDe. Those with RME and RNE's are going for their degrees and most had acquired same. Why are you hellbent on defending the indefensible? Propagating RN's as the ultimate is now an exercise in futility as most nurses are now wiser, those who choose to leave in denial over the revolution in nursing education will be left behind.

I never said Rn was d ultimate, i just said, right now bns nurses (those who dd just bsc ) nd rn nurses are leagues apart.. certificate wise nd practice of nursing--wise..

Nd just so u know, my tutors are bns holders but even if they were rn holders ,doesn't really matter.

Bns na just cert!

tohpahz:


I never said Rn was d ultimate, i just said, right now bns nurses (those who dd just bsc ) nd rn nurses are leagues apart.. certificate wise nd practice of nursing--wise..

Nd just so u know, my tutors are bns holders but even if they were rn holders ,doesn't really matter.

Bns na just cert!

Those graduates have both RN , RM and most have HND public health nursing. It is not just BnSc cert, all those other certs are incorporated into the program. They take the same RN and RM nursing council exam as others including the WAHEB public health exam but the degree singles them out as learned professionals.
To borrow your words ..they are very much leagues apart... There are jobs reserved exclusively for nursing degree holders while RN's keeps on picking the crumbs from the table. Ever wonder why the juicy job opportunities goes to the Bnsc holders while the technical and hands on part of the job are left for the RNs.
I have been there, I have defended RN but at the end it is futile as I realise that I want to be a rounded professional who knows the "" whys"" and the "" hows"" not only the hows.
I rest my case. Have a nice day.

tohpahz:


I still stand on my point.. bns is just a certificate program..
I knw they learn on the job,but thats for those who want to..
It's really disappointing wen after getting the so called cert nd spending 6months in service, someone cant even do dressing properly nd wen u try to teach dem,they take it like ' what can u teach mi, am way better than u' they end up doing the wrk haphazardly.. is this how the nursing profession is supposed to be. ? and am talking abt a personal experience here
At least d docs whu are bin taught are willing to learn from d nurses..
As for ur betting 1kobo on d nursing process use.. its quite tasking but i can assure u that although it's not implemented in every case fully, it's done to an extent by me.. there are so many factors militating against its use.
Nd finally newly graduated docs can fuc.k up sha..
Mks me remember my pts days ..

Thanks.

your own too much. is to say I nor do psychology i for dey vex for your.. you done over use your defence mechanism. Sigmund Freud dey vex for you...

kizitokings2018:


your own too much. is to say I nor do psychology i for dey vex for your.. you done over use your defence mechanism. Sigmund Freud dey vex for you...

Lmao.. mk im vex oo.. buh no vex abeg..

TheArchangel:
Those graduates have both RN , RM and most have HND public health nursing. It is not just BnSc cert, all those other certs are incorporated into the program. They take the same RN and RM nursing council exam as others including the WAHEB public health exam but the degree singles them out as learned professionals.
To borrow your words ..they are very much leagues apart... There are jobs reserved exclusively for nursing degree holders while RN's keeps on picking the crumbs from the table. Ever wonder why the juicy job opportunities goes to the Bnsc holders while the technical and hands on part of the job are left for the RNs.
I have been there, I have defended RN but at the end it is futile as I realise that I want to be a rounded professional who knows the "" whys"" and the "" hows"" not only the hows.
I rest my case. Have a nice day.

Unfortunately both the whys Nd how's are not known by dem..
I await the internship..
Case rested...

ojibole1:


My dear it's too lucrative I'm regretting y I'm nt a science student I would hv been studying nursing as we speak for a 2nd degree...my sister did nursing 4 8months abroad n nw she's in $$$$... we jst spoke nw sef n she still wishes I were a science student.

pls I would like to have a chat with you.
how can we connect?

Monifere85:
I don't know what it's like other than the US but it depends on where you live. I'm earning a second degree in Nursing. I've where'd as a CNA (nurses aide), and the lowest I saw some make was $7.25 per hour. Where I lived we made $15 an hour. Where I live now nurses aides man's anywhere from $10-$15 an hour, Lpn/LVN is $15-25 an hour, and RN makes close to $50 or more. Depend a on if they have a Bachelor's, masters, etc. You have very few who do it because they genuinely want to help, and have compassion for others. A lot do it for a paycheck.

sent u a pm. how can we talk?

tohpahz:

Lmao.. mk im vex oo.. buh no vex abeg..

lol

Hi pals. I'm a graduate of Nursing Science ( BNSc, RN) I'm yet to serve though(nysc) But the problem now is that I have always nursed the idea of joining my cousin in the Uk after nysc. But of recent, they young man who happens to be my constituency representative (Federal Reps) came to our house to pay a courtesy visit to my dad. (My dad thought him in primary six and registered him for his first school living certificate exam, because he was very brilliant. A gesture he normally do then as a young teacher)
So when he came visiting, he saw an enlarged pic of my sister that was hanging on the sitting room, he asked my dad about my sisters whereabout and my dad told him that my sister is serving but about to round up (she has now rounded up) He told my dad to tell her to apply for the ongoing police recruitment which my sister has done. He strongly promised to be of help. In my own case, my dad told him about me, my course, school, class of degree etc.
He proposed a lecturing job for me. He was too serious to meet whoever that perfected the thing in a glance. He called my dad yesterday that I should go to the school and meet my H.O.D. I went to they school today and my H.O.D.told me that I have been approved to be a graduate assistant after nysc or I should go for my masters first and be an assistant lecturer.
The issue is that I want to travel to UK and make it big with my Nursing degree. I have not seen a lecturer that rides Range Rover sports car and its like and I want to be among the Range Rover Sports guys. WHAT DO YOU THINK FELLOW NAIRALANDERS?

Nursing is a lucrative job even in nigeria if u ve the right moves but in usa can u imagine two brothers who left naija frm international law to nursing he is a registered nurse together with his brother living large.

If it's not true meant I made it up? Kindly go to the Australian travel section and inquire.
Those with non science based qualifications definitely would have met with requirement for a Nursing degree before being enrolled, probably complete prerequisites courses as you said before being admitted. My point in the earlier post was any one could still study nursing as a degree level, definitely depends on meeting the requirement. Countries requirements could differ, here in Australia, a bachelors degree holder in statistics studied master's in nursing practice, working as an RN for two years now.
Go to the aussie thread and confirm.

TheArchangel:
This is not entirely true. You may have a first degree in anything as it is also applicable to medicine but you have to meet up with the prerequisite at a community college before you can be admitted.
This is an excerpts from New York university website

"students with a baccalaureate degree in another field who have completed prerequisites.

The B.S. Program in Nursing for students with a baccalaureate degree in another field offers options for students who want to make a career change to nursing. Students enter the program with advanced standing of 44 liberal arts credits based on having a baccalaureate degree from an accredited university or college. Students must then complete or satisfy the requirements for the prerequisite courses in nutrition, chemistry, statistics, anatomy and physiology, microbiology, and developmental psychology and complete the 64 credits of nursing courses.

Students with a baccalaureate degree in another field who have successfully completed the prerequisite courses in nutrition, chemistry, statistics, anatomy and physiology, microbiology, and developmental psychology and maintain a 2.0 grade point average in the 64 credits of nursing courses can complete the B.S. program in 15 months."

Please can anybody please give details on how a rn holder can make his way and excel both in studies and financially in the United States..
May God help you as you help a lot of young Nigerian because I know a lot of us have the dream.

donodion:



Very noble post. From those ive seen here
.Nurses are buying bond houses, brand cars chacha,going on vacation abroad o.
Only the ignorant or those with limited knowledge do not understand the importance and benefits that goes Nursing.

I love those people die and can defend them anywhere.

However i pray the demand for change in uniform with the global trend pull through for Nigerian Nurses.
See Nurses uniform for RN/PN Nurse, Staff Nurses and Student Nurses here. Smart and very attractive. That student nursing picture with page band over white uniform and the very old head band no be am...haba...too archaic.

Please can anybody please give details on how a rn holder can make his way and excel academically and financially in the United States..
May God help you as you help a lot of young Nigerian because I know a lot of us have the dream.

CFCman:

Lol.
Nurses (RNs) can earn up to $60,000/year or higher, depending on the state/city of residence.
LVNs start at $12/hr

Please can anybody please give details on how a rn holder can make his way and excel financially and academically in the United States..
May God help you as you help a lot of young Nigerian because I know a lot of us have the dream.

Monifere85:
I don't know what it's like other than the US but it depends on where you live. I'm earning a second degree in Nursing. I've where'd as a CNA (nurses aide), and the lowest I saw some make was $7.25 per hour. Where I lived we made $15 an hour. Where I live now nurses aides man's anywhere from $10-$15 an hour, Lpn/LVN is $15-25 an hour, and RN makes close to $50 or more. Depend a on if they have a Bachelor's, masters, etc. You have very few who do it because they genuinely want to help, and have compassion for others. A lot do it for a paycheck.

Please can anybody please give details on how a rn holder can make his way and excel academically and financially in the United States..
May God help you as you help a lot of young Nigerian because I know a lot of us have the dream.

faheez:
Please can anybody please give details on how a rn holder can make his way and excel academically and financially in the United States..
May God help you as you help a lot of young Nigerian because I know a lot of us have the dream.

I apologize for late response. Too many mentions.... I do not reside in US nor know anyone directly residing there.