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koice:
The whole state. The capital Ilorin is an Emirate... that should tell you something.

focus7:
Op why do you choose here to expose your ignorance. The largest islamic institution in Africa is established in the SE, many prominent igbos are collecting money to convert to islam, some towns in Imo State, Abia State and Eboyin State are predominantly muslims and ruled by islamic kings.

What sort of talk is this? Infact, from now on, I will consider every of your comment I see on NL as ignorant talk.

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Hagmond:
first of all Muslims in the sw are not up 30percent
and I don't think the southeast ever traded with muslims before amalgation
even Christianity was enforced on southerners because of the contact they had with Christian missionaries

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Christianity in Nigeria didn't record any history of forceful conversation. ..rather the British used it as tool to calm people down and divert their attention while looting them dry..

But Islam on other hands is, say 'No' and bear the consequences..
Never by choice, once community is over ran by the evangelist cum Jihadist. .sorry for the nay-Sayers..

Only those with Agama Lizard structure-like-heads shall survive...

Yorubasgreat:
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Christianity in Nigeria didn't record any history of forceful conversation. ..rather the British used it as tool to calm people down and divert their attention while looting them dry..

But Islam on other hands is, say 'No' and bear the consequences..
Never by choice, once community is over ran by the evangelist cum Jihadist. .sorry for the nay-Sayers..

Only those with Agama Lizard structure-like-heads shall survive...

go back through my post and see where I wrote stylishly
the British took the natives land,opened a court,built schools,and made things difficult for people who upheld the local customs
things fall apart showed a perfect example
the British came for trade while the traces left by Portuguese priests were almost absent because they indulged in slavery which the locals frowned at
Muslims made it their duty to convert non Muslims wherever they go to and they do so with violence
#notmuslim

Some uttering baseless statements, No one has right to commit suicide or murder unjustly in Islam.

Ohammadike:
Because we don't strap holy belt on scream allah akhbar and blow ourselves up because one mumuhead promised us 72 virgins

Hagmond:
British didn't forcefully convert northerners to Christianity because the sultan and emirs are doing just fine in controlling their people while Britons controlled the emirs and the money to forcefully convert northerners during war the British company in charge of Nigeria couldn't find it, it will be a total loss because of debt
while they forcefully and stylishly did in the south was because the societies are almost democratic and egalitarian

stop saying what u have no knowledge about. the first xtians in my tribe in kogi state were converted in the early 1920's yet we are mostly xtians today and dat is less dan 100years ago. Has any of ur history books told u dat the british fought any wars to convert kogites to xtianity in the 1920's. And mind you, these first xtians only converted after about 3years of serious evangelism by the whitemen. As i speak to u dey are hundreds of missionaries in the hinter lands of the north trying to win souls. Have u heard any news dat dey are forcing people to convert? Lastly, come to the middlebelt and discover dat most of the xtians still have muslim surnames meaning that most of our forefathers were previously muslims and traditionalists.

Junior66:
stop saying what u have no knowledge about. the first xtians in my tribe in kogi state were converted in the early 1920's yet we are mostly xtians today and dat is less dan 100years ago. Has any of ur history books told u dat the british fought any wars to convert kogites to xtianity in the 1920's. And mind you, these first xtians only converted after about 3years of serious evangelism by the whitemen. As i speak to u dey are hundreds of missionaries in the hinter lands of the north trying to win souls. Have u heard any news dat dey are forcing people to convert? Lastly, come to the middlebelt and discover dat most of the xtians still have muslim surnames meaning that most of our forefathers were previously muslims and traditionalists.

young man be patient enough to read BTW the lines
the discussion was about core northerners and south easterners
when I said forcefully I didn't mean guns and swords,British systematically drowned your local customs to promote Christianity
go through my all my post before disturbing

Hagmond:
OK can you tell me how Christianity got to almost all region in the world(Nigeria inclusive)
At the beginning of the colonial era less than 5% where Christian, after colonialism less than 50% of Africa was Christian.

why do u tink de whitemen built skuls, churches and hospitals everywhere dey went? The first xtians are the first blackmen who worked witg them. These agents helped xtianity gain converts very fast. and up till dis moment de are still building these facilities to help us gain converts.

Volksfuhrer:
True. The Crusaders of Medieval time easily come to mind.

In fact, one of the reasons used to justify slavery was "saving the heathen from eternal damnation in hell!" That it was better to die a Christian slave and make heaven than to die a free heathen and suffer in hell! It was such chicanery that made the slave owner feel justified that he was doing "God's will."

I agree with you that Christianity has had its fair share of blood letting.

you are reasonable bro

Hagmond:
young man be patient enough to read BTW the lines
the discussion was about core northerners and south easterners
when I said forcefully I didn't mean guns and swords,British systematically drowned your local customs to promote Christianity
go through my all my post before disturbing

where is the force if guns and swords were not used? Retract ur earlier statements. U can't put us in the same group as jihadists. No, we wnt allow u.

Junior66:
why do u tink de whitemen built skuls, churches and hospitals everywhere dey went? The first xtians are the first blackmen who worked witg them. These agents helped xtianity gain converts very fast. and up till dis moment de are still building these facilities to help us gain converts.

have heard of the white men burden,they did all that gave us religion built schools, hospitals and so on to appear kind while they looted your country dry,why did they send reluctant Kings into exile
think bout it bro

fabiomatic:
Some uttering baseless statements, No one has right to commit suicide or murder unjustly in Islam.

dats is the problem. Nobody should ever be killed justly or unjustly! Killing should be determined by the government not religion. Is killing people who insult ur prophet justice?

Junior66:
where is the force if guns and swords were not used? Retract ur earlier statements. U can't put us in the same group as jihadists. No, we wnt allow u.

you guys did what jihadist did earlier on,I was talking more about about Christendom worldview,it is the belief of people to call Islam all sort of stupid names
I will repeat again all abrahamic religion(judaism-check the bible,Christianity and Islam),the major monotheistic religions in the world are known for a violent history simple
whether you like it or not,history is there to remind those that can read

Hagmond:
have heard of the white men burden,they did all that gave us religion built schools, hospitals and so on to appear kind while they looted your country dry,why did they send reluctant Kings into exile
think bout it bro

dat is besides de point. Nobody was ever forced at gunpoint to become xtians simple. I agree with the rest of ur points.

Junior66:
dat is besides de point. Nobody was ever forced at gunpoint to become xtians simple. I agree with the rest of ur points.

do you mean in Nigeria or the world over

Hagmond:
you guys did what jihadist did earlier on,I was talking more about about Christendom worldview,it is the belief of people to call Islam all sort of stupid names
I will repeat again all abrahamic religion(judaism-check the bible,Christianity and Islam),the major monotheistic religions in the world are known for a violent history simple
whether you like it or not,history is there to remind those that can read

violent history? Jesus christ himself was he violent? Or are u talkin about the theocratic govts of the middle ages? When popes ruled countries? Or the inquisition?

Hagmond:
do you mean in Nigeria or the world over

Nigeria specifically and in most parts of the world. At least the early missionaries of the bible were never warriors or fighters.

Junior66:
violent history? Jesus christ himself was he violent? Or are u talkin about the theocratic govts of the middle ages? When popes ruled countries? Or the inquisition?

Christianity was majorly preached by the catholic church and when they ruled the world it was called the dark age(mindless killing,suppressions of free/scientific ideas,stoning people to death,hanging,burning at stake)exactly what IS is currently doing, and most precolonial/colonial churches broke out from them and they supported slavery,slavery was not abolished because of churches,some Britons stood up against it.
Jesus Christ is not the discussion here,the narrative about Jesus in the bible describes a lovable entity,but you can't subtract the old Testament's evil from Christianity it was used to justify,slavery,killing of witches e.t.c
abeg I don tire

I hate Islam because they use force on everything, and their next orientation is to kill. I will be the last person to join islam on earth.

Hagmond:
Christianity was majorly preached by the catholic church and when they ruled the world it was called the dark age(mindless killing,suppressions of free/scientific ideas,stoning people to death,hanging,burning at stake)exactly what IS is currently doing, and most precolonial/colonial churches broke out from them and they supported slavery,slavery was not abolished because of churches,some Britons stood up against it.
Jesus Christ is not the discussion here,the narrative about Jesus in the bible describes a lovable entity,but you can't subtract the old Testament's evil from Christianity it was used to justify,slavery,killing of witches e.t.c
abeg I don tire

They did it in the past, so why can imams drop theirs, even prophet, Mohammad would have changed things by today.

Kingspin:
They did it in the past, so why can imams drop theirs, even prophet, Mohammad would have changed things by today.

most conquest/war fought because of a god is usually non ending,people always think its their duty to do god's will
maybe he(mohamad)would have,when a person realises the effect religion have on people, that is they will dance to his tunes when he whistles then...,

Hagmond:
go and read about goa Inquisition in India,
Millions of African−Americans are Christians today because their ancestors were converted
against their will to the religion of the slave-master.
Hundreds of thousands of American−Indians are Christians today because the Christian missionaries converted their ancestors against their will.
In Europe, it was the same thing. When Rome controlled most of the world, the Roman Emperor, Constantine, in 325 CE forced Christianity onto his subjects.
The people of Lithuania did not become Christians because they read the gospels and decided to accept their teachings. On the contrary, the people of Lithuania were forced into Christianity
against their will , as a result of relentless military force

I don't know why we are arguing back and forth. I've told u that because of the inherent message of peace and salvation, Christians have been able to overcome internal problems and focus on the gospel of truth.
Islam on the other hand, from the time of inception, has continued to kill and maim and behead and this is according to the message in the Quran. U can not tell us to understand why they are murdering people now and bear it because our predecessors towed thesame line. Its barbaric to us now. Why should Islam choose to leave in 600AD in 2016?
If u say we should bear and understand because they are copying us, why aren't they copying our peaceful nature in 2016? Why have they continued to kill and maim and behead?
You talked about Nigeria and I told you about how Christianity was peacefully brought to the adherents as opposed to Islam. I also gave u a logical reason why its peaceful but you are writing about India and Lithuania. Wait when I learn their history may be I can respond. Have an open mind about God. Jesus loves you.

Bobandgreat:
I don't know why we are arguing back and forth. I've told u that because of the inherent message of peace and salvation, Christians have been able to overcome internal problems and focus on the gospel of truth.
Islam on the other hand, from the time of inception, has continued to kill and maim and behead and this is according to the message in the Quran. U can not tell us to understand why they are murdering people now and bear it because our predecessors towed thesame line. Its barbaric to us now. Why should Islam choose to leave in 600AD in 2016?
If u say we should bear and understand because they are copying us, why aren't they copying our peaceful nature in 2016? Why have they continued to kill and maim and behead?
You talked about Nigeria and I told you about how Christianity was peacefully brought to the adherents as opposed to Islam. I also gave u a logical reason why its peaceful but you are writing about India and Lithuania. Wait when I learn their history may be I can respond. Have an open mind about God. Jesus loves you.

oga go and rest jo
i wasn't arguing back and forth
read my posts so far through the topic ypu would see my explanations about nigeria I am tired of this argument
are there no peaceful Islamic countries
mentioning Lithuania was an example of how Christianity was enforced on so called heretics
I don't need your Jesus love
#notmuslim

Christianity peaceful don't make me laugh what about the crusaders, what about all the killings in the name of spreading Christianity, what about burning of innocent people in the name of burning witches including ur so called Saint joan of arc

iyb:
Christianity peaceful don't make me laugh what about the crusaders, what about all the killings in the name of spreading Christianity, what about burning of innocent people in the name of burning witches including ur so called Saint joan of arc

That was in the past na... Centuries ago. Christianity has evolved to become one of the most peaceful religion of the 21st century.

Bro, i do not have time for vain talks. Since you refused to try to understand. I said committing murder or suicide unjustly is not allowed in Islam. You really dont know that Islam has jurisprudence that can be run in a Nation. There are countless nations who run islamic laws.

Junior66:
dats is the problem. Nobody should ever be killed justly or unjustly! Killing should be determined by the government not religion. Is killing people who insult ur prophet justice?

Islam is not peaceful and your people go to Dubai. Or do u wanna tell me that Dubai is a christian country? You people need to think. And all these propaganda about islam aren't true.

Bobandgreat:
I don't know why we are arguing back and forth. I've told u that because of the inherent message of peace and salvation, Christians have been able to overcome internal problems and focus on the gospel of truth.
Islam on the other hand, from the time of inception, has continued to kill and maim and behead and this is according to the message in the Quran. U can not tell us to understand why they are murdering people now and bear it because our predecessors towed thesame line. Its barbaric to us now. Why should Islam choose to leave in 600AD in 2016?
If u say we should bear and understand because they are copying us, why aren't they copying our peaceful nature in 2016? Why have they continued to kill and maim and behead?
You talked about Nigeria and I told you about how Christianity was peacefully brought to the adherents as opposed to Islam. I also gave u a logical reason why its peaceful but you are writing about India and Lithuania. Wait when I learn their history may be I can respond. Have an open mind about God. Jesus loves you.

fabiomatic:
Islam is not peaceful and your people go to Dubai. Or do u wanna tell me that Dubai is a christian country? You people need to think. And all these propaganda about islam aren't true.

Dubai isnt interested yet in turning people to Muslims. They are focused on profit now. Once they begin to think towards winning more souls for Allah, then see their true colour. Once a Muslim chooses to obey completely what Muhammed stated for him in the Quran, then all hell is let loose because he must employ jihad(lesser or major). You can't seperate killing and maiming and beheading from jihad for which there is a reward in aljanah.

fabiomatic:
Bro, i do not have time for vain talks. Since you refused to try to understand. I said committing murder or suicide unjustly is not allowed in Islam. You really dont know that Islam has jurisprudence that can be run in a Nation. There are countless nations who run islamic laws.

the problem non muslims have with ur religion is dat ur so-called justice in islam is not the justice dey know. Ur concept of justice is different.
And pls dnt tell us we do not understand ur religion, Islam is not rocket science.

Even rocket science is understandable once u open your mind to it. Whatever you open your mind to, You definitely will understand it. What i just dont like is how you guys make false allegations. What justice is not the justice they know? what are u tryna say? have you read about the laws in islam? I mean you just have to pay attention to details and not be hard-heartened. Let me tell you one fact, you can browse about it, Islamic countries have the lowest crime rate.

Junior66:
the problem non muslims have with ur religion is dat ur so-called justice in islam is not the justice dey know. Ur concept of justice is different.
And pls dnt tell us we do not understand ur religion, Islam is not rocket science.

What are you tryna say? Focused on profits and how? Who wanna do business without profit? Dont they have other sources of income? is there no oil, gold and the likes? what does that mean bro? arent they muslims? are they not practising Islam and Shariah? They do not run democracy in their country but an Islamic legislated way. Isnt this Islamic way revealed by Allah (God) to the last of Messengers, Muhammad(may peace be upon him) So what is your point? You see when Muslims say you guys dont understand. cos you have made absolutely no point now.

Bobandgreat:
Dubai isnt interested yet in turning people to Muslims. They are focused on profit now. Once they begin to think towards winning more souls for Allah, then see their true colour. Once a Muslim chooses to obey completely what Muhammed stated for him in the Quran, then all hell is let loose because he must employ jihad(lesser or major). You can't seperate killing and maiming and beheading from jihad for which there is a reward in aljanah.

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fabiomatic:
Even rocket science is understandable once u open your mind to it. Whatever you open your mind to, You definitely will understand it. What i just dont like is how you guys make false allegations. What justice is not the justice they know? what are u tryna say? have you read about the laws in islam? I mean you just have to pay attention to details and not be hard-heartened. Let me tell you one fact, you can browse about it, Islamic countries have the lowest crime rate.

What are you tryna say? Focused on profits and how? Who wanna do business without profit? Dont they have other sources of income? is there no oil, gold and the likes? what does that mean bro? arent they muslims? are they not practising Islam and Shariah? They do not run democracy in their country but an Islamic legislated way. Isnt this Islamic way revealed by Allah (God) to the last of Messengers, Muhammad(may peace be upon him) So what is your point? You see when Muslims say you guys dont understand. cos you have made absolutely no point now.

If justice everywhere is the same as in islam den do other religions have a problem with sharia?
1. Is blasphemy not a crime punishable by death in islam?
2. Is it not illegal for a muslim to change religion?
these are only a few. Are u goin to pretend that sharia law is compatible with common law? If it is compatible why den do u guys advocate for sharia when common law already exists? You guys even stone adulteresses to death and demand 2 female witnesses to one. Abeg abeg

Sigh, now let me be a bit honest with you. I am sure all these things you wrote are hearsay. Where is it illegal to revert from Islam? can u quote that from the books of Islam? Thats one, Two, Even if you blaspheme against a country, it is punishable by death. Go and find out.
Shariah cannot be compatible with common law because Shariah law is from God and Common law is from human. Common law of course would be a bit selfish while God is not shy of anyone.

Junior66:
If justice everywhere is the same as in islam den do other religions have a problem with sharia?
1. Is blasphemy not a crime punishable by death in islam?
2. Is it not illegal for a muslim to change religion?
these are only a few. Are u goin to pretend that sharia law is compatible with common law? If it is compatible why den do u guys advocate for sharia when common law already exists? You guys even stone adulteresses to death and demand 2 female witnesses to one. Abeg abeg