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Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by steffans(m): 3:13pm On Sep 21, 2013
All cars have der own problms...

I have seen a golf,406, camry 02 dat have pulled out der tires b4..

Jst bcuz Hondas own is common dsnt mean.. Its d end of d world...

I have driven Most Car products.. Honda Stands out to me...

And it MUST give u a sign...

The topic shuld have bin "Honda owners Poor Maintenance Culture"

Cuz I bilv if u are observant u will neva have dis Problm...

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Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by CHIMSKY(m): 6:46pm On Sep 21, 2013
eejo: I love honda car I been using mine for 2years now no problem the secret my mechanic told me is to avoid bad road, don't hit pot holes and most of all avoid too many T turns in towns
Does your mechanic live in Nigeria?

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Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by nylawal(m): 12:42am On Sep 22, 2013
For the lovers of Honda.... I can only say your mechanic's number should be on speed dial. What is luxury really? Fine interiors and lack of reliability? Lol! For my type of work which involves a lot of field work and driving, I prefer to reliability. Your comfort turns to agony when the tires fall out on a hot sunny day. By the way how many of you guys have admired the interior of a Nissan Teana? Just keeping it within Japanese cars!

The " Toyota way" all the way!
Pls guys tell us about the issues With Toyota cars... Educate us please!
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by FlyboyZee: 8:39am On Sep 22, 2013
peterjero:
i dont agree with you because it doesnt happen to toyota cars so why only honda and again toyota is very popular which make chinese part very popular too so why dont we get d same issues with then. honda front tyres keep pulling off you see them on d highway, i guess its only the Pilot that isnt affected

You just lied, I have seen it happen to Toyotas, especially the 1997-2002 4Runner. I was actually riding in one when it happened.

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Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by cheiwura: 8:47am On Sep 22, 2013
okpara ugo:

As for superiority, cars are superior to others ... A volkswagen is better than a toyota, while a toyota is better than a honda. Quote ...

Pls share your source/link for this comparison!

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Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by Sylverbox(m): 9:29am On Sep 22, 2013
Policewoman: No wonder my hubby's 2006 CRV is always making noises on the font wheels as i drive it and also when i climb a gallop. Must tell him to replace the ball joints and upper arms. Thanks OP for the tips.
hmmmmm. If u Change am 4 d man d world go end

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Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by Denc: 12:05pm On Sep 22, 2013
cheiwura:

Pls share your source/link for this comparison!

Yes, please share...we'r all waiting...
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by Nobody: 12:06pm On Sep 22, 2013
Flyboy Zee:

You just lied, I have seen it happen to Toyotas, especially the 1997-2002 4Runner. I was actually riding in one when it happened.
it doesn't mean he is lying, just not fully experienced. i.e to his knowledge, he has not been thru such a situation, but lying implys that u r insinuating that he is trying to cover up the matter

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Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by jpphilips(m): 12:17pm On Sep 22, 2013
InvertedHammer: /
There is no way around it.

First thing first, you are driving a car in an environment that is not suitable for it. The intention of Honda is never that their vehicles will be subjected to such abuses as seen on Nigeria roads.

Nigeria roads are made for Off-road reinforced vehicles. Oyibo people pay money to join Off-road clubs so that they can drive their
Off-road SUVs in roads that are similar to Nigeria roads.

Solution is to buy a vehicle with due consideration to the gully and potholes you will be subjecting the unlucky vehicle.
//


the cost of keeping an SUV on the road is on the high side, buying one is never the problem.
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by jpphilips(m): 12:57pm On Sep 22, 2013
Oga-@-d-top:

how many comercial vehicles do all these checing u are talking about on their various brands of vehicle? how many of them do have ball joint issues compared to honda? honda has ball joint design flaw.thats what we are saying

I agree it is a design flaw, lemme talk about the ball joint aka shaft by our mechanics.

the bearing and the lubrication is housed in a rubber hose, that rubber hose is what I detest, why can't car companies come up with a better mechanism against the rubber stuff?
now, the rubber case is not only peculiar to Honda but Toyota and almost all manufacturers, so i think design isnt really the problem but useage.

the rubber hose will crack with time, and all the grease in the bearing will leak away leaving the bearing in high friction, also when you swim with your car as d case with Nigerian roads, water and mud will find its way into the bearing case and the bearing will crack.

I don't agree with people who said theirs dont make noise, it does but in higher honda models, winding up with AC leaves the car sound proof.
so u don't hear doesn't mean it is not there esp when you turn your wheels full.

now the panacea is this; changing ball joints fall under routine maintenance, that is why you find the ones replaced by oyibo in our belgium market.

periodically once you park your vehicle, wheel to the right and left fully and check the condition of the hose, if it is broken no matter how little, change the hose, with 1, 000, you can buy the hose and a labor cost of 1k can change it as well.

changing that hose and lubricating the joints each time will guarantee the joint doesnt fail, though Toyota and passat do pull out, it is not as often as the Hondas.

reason is; the noise will be unbearable at that point so users tend to change it from then.

on no occasion should you buy a china made ball joint, it is usually new, the hose it comes with is hopeless so it fails often, while buying the hose ensure you do a leak test on it before installation. that huge embarrassment usually start from those rubber hoses.

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Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by Okijajuju1(m): 5:48am On Sep 23, 2013
lonelydora: Usually it does not pull out on high speed or on a smooth road, but on a rough road at slow movement. But always buy OEM parts and forget about cheap parts. I own an accord and always travel with it across the country, no issues at all. Have gone from PH to Kebbi with my accord.

Toyota comes with it's own issues.

No model of car is superior over another, it depends on your maintenance culture.


i beg to differ..

my 1986 honda accord pulled itd ball joint in the middle of an overtake at speeds reaching 100'km/hr.. luckily, i had no on coming vehicle and was able to somehow roll her off the road with my driver side tyre fully off its hinges..

i sold her a few months after..

this problem is common in old mercedes' and hondas..
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by ikeyman00(m): 12:01pm On Sep 23, 2013
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well i think the only way to get around this issues is pay good attention to the front wheel components since these things wear with age. Therefore by the time these cars got to Nigeria some of these thing might need replacement

Then again to an average naija a common rubber torn might not mean a lot even to a known fact Accord does not take side when it come to CV joint misappropriations

My honda accord is still doing it in the high way in Naija; we no send CV this and that but i know there is something not right with front passenger's side which will be taken care off next time im in the country; i could sense the CV is moving in and out towards the engine even as the tire is on the floor on visual inspection; i could hear some clicking sound which should be looked into and cannot be ignore for anything.

So make no mistake Honda accord is as reliable as it get and as well a good runner! One of the wahala in naija is that any slight shift in the balance of honda accord usually result in calling of alignment restoration without even checking to see if there is some issues under the fender which created the wahala in the first place

so when u hear win for high way u go come here dey say honda na winch; even ur box match benz get CV wahala too. Then i guess a good used parts is as close as replacement to using new china parts hmmm


Nevertheless to settle these issues for good, try to take good care of ur car by maintenance and visual inspection as regard to the front wheel component for honda. To help u do that, i leave this web site for u to cater ur honda accord well wellle

http://www.ehow.com/how_5704941_check-ball-joints-honda-accord.html


THen thread closed!

good bye!

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Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by ping2ping: 12:53pm On Sep 23, 2013
First of all, this ball joint issue can be considered design flaw from Nigerian point of view because of the nature of our roads.

But @lonelydora said using OEM parts could prevent it from happening. I wouldn't really know how true this is because even new honda cars are prone to having this problem.

It is also said that it doesn't happen on a high speed but a colleague in this office experience that on the Ibadan - Ilorin express way on high speed. Although i have seen some others on a rough road and one particularly while climbing a bump. We all know how our high ways are, can somebody drive without chance of entering one pot hole or the other? Or is it better to change it especially the steering ball joint each time you want to travel?

A couple of people say that before a pull out, you will hear an unusual noise from the front tyres which will serve as indicator to the problem. Considering that people drive around with AC on and the windows wound up and sometimes with radio/music on inside the car. This will not allow you to hear any of such sound. I just imagine travelling at 120/140Km/h with music of course, how on earth will one hear such noise from the tryes? Unless there is a sensor to alert the driver of problem else, it is practically impossible unless within the city

Worst of all, what if you notice the sign of imminent failure of the ball joint on a lonely area on highway? I wouldn't know if there is a guarantee that after changing the ball joint it is going to last for at least say 6 months before any chance of it pulling out on the road then one might consider that especially when travelling.
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by ping2ping: 1:11pm On Sep 23, 2013
There is no doubt Honda makes good vehicles with strong engines and exquisite interior designs. Just consider Toyota Camry 2004 (Big for Nothing) and Honda Accord 2004 (EOD). In terms of the controls, driving pleasure, interior and exterior designs, Honda is clearly on top notch compared to Toyota and thats why Honda cars are classy.

But in terms of rugged and reliability, Toyota is clearly top notch. For example some Honda models are plagued with transmission problems and then the issue of discussion - the frequent ball joint failure in all model of Honda cars. Thats why you see Toyota products being used for commercial transportation more often than other brands and you can hardly see fragile Honda cars/mini vans used for commercial transportation.

The choice actually depends on the buyer, what do you want? You must sacrifice something for something. Where and how you want to use the vehicle may help decide on the product to buy.

I love traveling so i cannot use a car that i will keep listening to the front tyres while on the highway or driving with the mindset that the ball joint can actually pull out. Well thats for me grin grin grin

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Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by ikeyman00(m): 1:26pm On Sep 23, 2013
^^^^ u are on ur own there

and mind u 406 have transmission wahala
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by jpphilips(m): 9:01am On Sep 24, 2013
ping2ping: First of all, this ball joint issue can be considered design flaw from Nigerian point of view because of the nature of our roads.

But @lonelydora said using OEM parts could prevent it from happening. I wouldn't really know how true this is because even new honda cars are prone to having this problem.

It is also said that it doesn't happen on a high speed but a colleague in this office experience that on the Ibadan - Ilorin express way on high speed. Although i have seen some others on a rough road and one particularly while climbing a bump. We all know how our high ways are, can somebody drive without chance of entering one pot hole or the other? Or is it better to change it especially the steering ball joint each time you want to travel?

A couple of people say that before a pull out, you will hear an unusual noise from the front tyres which will serve as indicator to the problem. Considering that people drive around with AC on and the windows wound up and sometimes with radio/music on inside the car. This will not allow you to hear any of such sound. I just imagine travelling at 120/140Km/h with music of course, how on earth will one hear such noise from the tryes? Unless there is a sensor to alert the driver of problem else, it is practically impossible unless within the city

Worst of all, what if you notice the sign of imminent failure of the ball joint on a lonely area on highway? I wouldn't know if there is a guarantee that after changing the ball joint it is going to last for at least say 6 months before any chance of it pulling out on the road then one might consider that especially when travelling.


very legitimate concerns you have up there, however i strongly believe that car companies can still come up with a ball joint void of the hose arrangement, that will solve the problem at least to the pulling out extent.
Do check that hose before you travel, if it is broken, fix it before embarking on any journey, that's what i do and it works for me.

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Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by jpphilips(m): 9:09am On Sep 24, 2013
ping2ping: There is no doubt Honda makes good vehicles with strong engines and exquisite interior designs. Just consider Toyota Camry 2004 (Big for Nothing) and Honda Accord 2004 (EOD). In terms of the controls, driving pleasure, interior and exterior designs, Honda is clearly on top notch compared to Toyota and thats why Honda cars are classy.

But in terms of rugged and reliability, Toyota is clearly top notch. For example some Honda models are plagued with transmission problems and then the issue of discussion - the frequent ball joint failure in all model of Honda cars. Thats why you see Toyota products being used for commercial transportation more often than other brands and you can hardly see fragile Honda cars/mini vans used for commercial transportation.

The choice actually depends on the buyer, what do you want? You must sacrifice something for something. Where and how you want to use the vehicle may help decide on the product to buy.

I love traveling so i cannot use a car that i will keep listening to the front tyres while on the highway or driving with the mindset that the ball joint can actually pull out. Well thats for me grin grin grin


lol, it is not as bad as you are sounding, just do a round check once in a while and everything will be fine, another thing is this; when you want to change the hose, they are of two types, there is the one mechanics call iron hose and another called rubber hose, the rubber hose is chinese made, pretty useless, always ask for the iron hose, its shorter and tougher

NB: the so called iron hose is not made of iron oooo, it is what the mechanics call it, each iron hose last 1yr before it gives way, while the other last for just 2months or so.
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by megastu(m): 12:21pm On Nov 28, 2014
Please what is OEM parts? how much is Ball Joint and lower arm for a 1999 C180 C Class?
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by lordmassac(m): 9:12am On Dec 03, 2014
Why always Honda?! My brother's experience with his honda (evilspirit) is enough proof for me jor. Each time he travels to ilorin from abuja and back, he must be ready to spend at least 27K on the wheels/suspensions only.
My sienna 04 doesn't even ask for kobo. Even when I abuse it (by real overloading) from ilorin to abuja. Four years running I'm yet to change any wheel component except shaft and steering shoes/rubber on two occations.

Me just love peace of mind. Shikena!

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Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by ralph1983: 1:40pm On Dec 08, 2014
@tGbagba you shouldn't be scared to buy your civic. i haven't seen any ball joint issue with civic. I think its mostly with honda accord But however, I haven't seen any Discussion continues with the ball joint pulling out or Evil spirit. Or have any one genuinely seen?
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by ralph1983: 1:42pm On Dec 08, 2014
@Peterjero don't say it doesn't happen. you havent seen. I saw a forerunner on more than one occasion with the leg pulling out.

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Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by gerrard82: 8:07am On May 12, 2016
IdaraCHODB:
Buy OEM replacement parts for your Honda and you won't have a problem.

If you buy chinese look-alikes which have flooded the Nigerian market, because Honda is extremely popular, then that is when you have that problem.


The difference in price between an original and a look-alike can be pretty large but the price is peace of mind which money cannot buy

Problem not peculiar to Honda but honestly, I would not bet my life on chinese axles or ball joints or upper arms.

And personally I intend to replaced all my axles and arms and shafts at somewhere between 100,000 miles and 150,000 miles with new OEM specs parts for the sake of my peace of mind
sorry bro how and where can someone get this OEM parts pls.
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by phinter: 6:30pm On May 13, 2016
peterjero:

i dont agree with you because it doesnt happen to toyota cars so why only honda and again toyota is very popular which make chinese part very popular too so why dont we get d same issues with then. honda front tyres keep pulling off you see them on d highway, i guess its only the Pilot that isnt affected
Oga!! ignorance isn't a good thing. Don't say it doesn't happen to toyota cars because it does. 199-2001 Forerunner i have seen this with my eyes more than three times. I heard even some of other Toyota trucks have this issue because their ball joint is inverted or stuff like that. So dude, its just precaution. Its bad road and I believe flood could also be an issue. I think maintenance is the key and changing your ball joints before and after the raining season or every year is the key. A fmr colleague of mine changed his every 6months and has never experienced the issue not once in his life.
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by phinter: 6:37pm On May 13, 2016
nylawal:


Toyota Production System (TPS) is a management model adopted for teaching management students in advanced countries, and the reason being that they are very meticulous in their manufacturing process. Therefore, the comparison between Toyota and Honda in terms of performance is miles apart. Toyota doesn't hesitate to recall a faulty product from the market; for instance they recalled Toyota camry 2008 (muscle) from the market when there were complaints of cruise control error (the only instance of recall; and was even discovered to be a footmat causing the problem). So when going for reliability; Toyota is the car. I stand to be corrected!
Oga Toyota!! everyone has preference for cars but please before you make it law like you have driven all the cars in the world, please go online and check reviews of some toyota cars and reliability and see for yourself. Some people in other countries complain that toyota reliability isn't as good anymore. I'm not trying to say they don't make good cars but they have their issues too. I never knew that toyota corolla 03 down to 07 though had some issues i have never heard about. Some people complained of having accidents with them because they had issues of car jumping off when they try to hit the brakes while driving. Though it was more in 03 models and less in 04 down. But this problem was there. But hey, i know you have never heard of it. Just google and see. Never assume. Toyota is a very good brand most def, but like all manufacturers, they have their own issues too.
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by peterjero(m): 10:14pm On May 13, 2016
phinter:

Oga!! ignorance isn't a good thing. Don't say it doesn't happen to toyota cars because it does. 199-2001 Forerunner i have seen this with my eyes more than three times. I heard even some of other Toyota trucks have this issue because their ball joint is inverted or stuff like that. So dude, its just precaution. Its bad road and I believe flood could also be an issue. I think maintenance is the key and changing your ball joints before and after the raining season or every year is the key. A fmr colleague of mine changed his every 6months and has never experienced the issue not once in his life.
Thanks you used the word ignorance, because Toyota has rectified it in their newer 4runners but why is Honda still pulling, even in Holland I saw an accord pull, my uncle said he saw an accord pull in the US. Honda has that problem right from inception, people still buy Hondas because they have plenty of money like you who would change ball joint every 6 months. Ask a benz owner how often they change their ball joint with the very bad Road we have. My brother my papa get accord before the car is parked because the pulling Don pass 20 times.
PS : as for good engine I can't dispute it, they have one of the best.
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by IdaraCHODB(m): 12:54am On May 17, 2016
gerrard82:
sorry bro how and where can someone get this OEM parts pls.

Order from overseas directly or through those who bring into the country from overseas.

The cost may be high but peace of mind has no price and the length of time in active service makes it a bargain in the final analysis.

I could help if you are interested...i operate stateside and in Nigeria

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Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by olubike: 7:21pm On May 17, 2016
I am presently recovery from injuries sustained from accident in gbogan -ife road when my honda bulldog front wheel (passenger side ) pull out on top speed, this issue is design error from honda
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by staffingx: 8:16pm On May 17, 2016
Has anyone experienced or seen this issue with the Acura cars or is it limited to just the Accord models?
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by yak(m): 8:39am On Jun 04, 2016
does this problem also occur in civic 02-04
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by Bossken(m): 1:42pm On Jun 08, 2016
I use a Honda Accord, 2005 model (EOD). i have used it for three years now and i have not for once had the problem of the arm jumping off while on motion. Actually the ball joint and other components around the arms give a noisy sound when they are worn out. The problem with users is impatient and lact of attention to go get it fixed. I give you a practical experience that the major cause which is occassioned by the ball joint is actually a minor issue. Reason is that a pair of ball joint cost between 3k and 5k and workamnship is based on your mechanic. In the short run, you might not spend upp to 7k to get it replaced the moment it gives a sign. My candid advise the Honda users is to pay attention to the unusual noise that comes from the car while driving.

As per travelling with the car on a fara journey, i am happy to announce to you that i have used my car to travel from Lagos to Sapele in Delta state and also from Lagos to Akoko-Edo in Edo state. Each of these journeys is more than five hours. Your worry is to ensure your car is fit to travel and not limiting yourself becasue of what people say about the arms of Honda cars. In fact, i am thinking of getting CRV soon.

Thanks and enjoy your Honda.

ping2ping:
I have asked this question under Honda maintenance tips thread but did not get a resounding answer.

I have heard even on this forum and from some Honda owners about a problem of faulty ball joints and/or upper arm peculiar with Honda products that results in the front tyre pulling out. If this happens, the vehicle cannot move. That could be very dangerous on a highway or on a very lonely and dangerous road.

Please experienced Honda experts and users, is there a way to prevent this ball joint issue and the tyre pulling out on a high speed? Some say it will give the driver signs but if is ignored then the worst will happen. But the question is, what if it gives the sign on a highway or a very lonely road, benin by-pass for example? I guess thats why Honda vehicles are not used for commercial transportation.

Does it make Honda vehicles useful only for driving within a city?

A friend bought a Honda CRV 1998 before learning about the problem. He has been afraid of traveling from Lagos to Benin.

All suggestions will be appreciated.

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Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by Bossken(m): 1:53pm On Jun 08, 2016
I have seen a toyota 4runner, nissan pathfinder, 406, gold, audi pull off brom the ball joints as honda does. Its a peculiar problem with cars and not only honda brands. i use a honda EOD and i have nt had that experience. its a matter of paying attention to the noise and carry out routine maiantenance

steffans:
All cars have der own problms...

I have seen a golf,406, camry 02 dat have pulled out der tires b4..

Jst bcuz Hondas own is common dsnt mean.. Its d end of d world...

I have driven Most Car products.. Honda Stands out to me...

And it MUST give u a sign...

The topic shuld have bin "Honda owners Poor Maintenance Culture"

Cuz I bilv if u are observant u will neva have dis Problm...
Re: Honda Ball Joints And Upper Arms Problem by Nobody: 2:53pm On Jun 08, 2016
Honda started as a motorcycle company, they were very good at it.
They then decided to go into motor vehicles, though they made great cars, there is always a problem with the wheels of all their vehicles.

Its not just bore joints, but tracking arms, upper arms, tie rods.

The wheels of a typical honda vehicle is very light.

Once you do any maintenance the requires the removal of your front wheels, you set in motion a sequence of problems for your Honda car.

The car is too fragile, it likes smooth roads. Even the suvs like pilot and crv arent spared of this defect.

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