BETATRON:
you don't have to apologize..you just have to be cocksure of whatever you say not just give make a statement without proof to back it up

The quran and muslim to consider God and satan to be two side of the same coin....and never considered satan to be as powerful as God's weakest angel not to talk of being so powerful that he could lead a rebellion against God---the AL-MIGHY"-----tryna read the koranic verse concerning this topic--i promise you will never regret doing so

Thank you for the reasonable correction, I appreciate it.

My mistake was thinking Qura, Bible and Torah shared the same story about the fall of Lucifer who rebelled against God for wanting to be in God's status but was defeated and casted down to earth.

Again, thank you.

lexiconkabir:
The thread has been successfully derailed

We allowed it because nothing good comes out of FRAUD.

We have a new folk who seeks to be ENLIGTHENED.

WORDWORLD:


Here is the problem. PRIDE IN TRIBE...........doesnt avail TRUTH........."i dont understand how anybody will say yoruba tradition is irrelevant..and begin to take Arab nonsense"

We are talking ISLAM and not ARAB. Kindly understand the difference. And dont be so full of pride about what you did chose for yourself such as TRIBE. Did you chose to be Yoruba right from heaven. When it comes to GENUINE FAITH, its all about Choice based on CONVICTION and COMFIRMATION. Should never be based on birth, but on knowledge.

what is the difference between Arabized and islamized?

islam proclaims Arabic and Hebrew as divine languages.

Arab dressing is the Islamic dressing.

Arab supreme deity is the same deity of Islam.


Arab rites of pilgrimage is the same in Islam

Arab rites of marriage and women behavior/affairs is the same in Islam

everything in pagan Arab culture and traditions is the same with islam except - theology. .
even at that Arab theology is only different from islam where Pagan Arabs believe in 360 Gods, Islam believes in only one of those Gods


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what is wrong with pride in ethnic identity? yes I'm yoruba, my blood is yoruba and my Ori, my eleda has made it so


look at you! lemme tell you I was born into a family of slave minded people like you who believed so much in foreign beliefs. ..I had to find my way back to where I'm supposed to be, which has been so difficult. ..going back to my hometown to trace lineage and learn our "almost lost" heritage. so I am here by confirmation and conviction


you on the other hand are probably Muslim due to being born in an islam practicing family, a family that was most likely forced into islam by threat of violence or emotional blackmail and slander or something

hardly will you find a person who is Muslim because he decided without duress

9jacrip:


OK.

It was you who saved Jesus was the Messiah even to Islam - Messiah means a chosen saviour. If Jesus is Messiah in Islam then how is he saving Muslims? - Answer this question.

2. Ahmmadiya is now nonsense? Aren't they your muslim folks?

3. Uncle, google Gullam to find his islamic sources; you're the muslim here.

And why get upset?

Jesus is muslim. Qur'an merely narrates his story as messiah sent to the children of Israel and muslims MUST also believe in him. Period.

On Ahmmadiya, yes, they do have element of truth in their teachings but they got it wrong on Jesus. Provide evidence from Qur'an where Gullam is mentioned. Google is NOT primary source of guidance in Islam. Thanks

If I'm upset?. For what? , about what? . I guess you read my post exactly how you felt.

9jacrip:


You do not have to be slick, don't even try to be.

You asked and I referred you to google it. You may know all about islam but there are many muslim fora out there where a lot of islamic knowledge are being discussed.

Calm down with your snide shot, we don't want to go there.

Okay let me shoot on target. Is ISLAM and ARABIAN culture the same? Seems what you are defending is the culture of your forefathers, most likely the Yoruba Culture.

Getting this question wrong makes our conversation VAIN unless you want to learn.

Getting it correctly makes you no more than one who has made up his mind on his choosen culture and sees it as the only TRUTH.

If the later, kindly provide us with a falsification test for your belief.

9jacrip:



If you think the early Yoruba thought the earth was flat then I shake my head for you.

You know a lot about a foreign belief but not even the geographic progress of your own ethnic group (if you're Yoruba).

Arabs abandoned their beliefs; was Muhammed not an Arab or he came from Mars? Maybe to you, Islam started from heaven but the ethnicity of the person who started it here on earth remains Arab; deal with that.

Maybe your forefathers and grandfathers were without knowledge, my own forefathers were with knowledge independently developed and did not have to wait on a foreign belief before developing knowledge, thank you.

lol..maybe our yoruba ancestors never believed the earth was flat but certainly the never knew that our universe was expanding and never knew a lot of fact we know today takes to the white man "pardon me if you may"

Actually I was only tryna show by virtue of the instances that our forefather cannot be correct all the time and had a lot of fallacious believes which became cripple in the face of a "bigger" truth---just take for instance our believe of the "dada" peculiar to yoruba's and igala's--our believe of twins--calabar,, and our views of the albino in other african culture--and also how our forefathers feel when there wives gives birth to a female child---thanks to a superior logic all this backward logics have been defeated

The original culture and believe of the people of arab just like our yoruba ancestors was paganism and muhammad brought islam not just for the arabs for the whole of man-kind---so it is actually not correct to term islam the arab man's culture or religion

The ignorance in the last part was a relative term bro,, take for instance how our forefather treat ailments and diseases and how they had to appease all the Gods for malaria--well in the face of modern medicine all these have died and we don't have to check some cowries to know our problems

Just like the ancients believed in the thor ---the God of thunder--well now thor is dead and we know how thunder came(superior knowledge) also how greece believed in saturn the god of agriculture well saturn is no more and we have a better knowledge of agriculture---the yoruba too has some believes peculiar to these---such as songo And the likes

Empiree:
Jesus is muslim. Qur'an merely narrates his story as messiah sent to the children of Israel and muslims MUST also believe in him. Period.

On Ahmmadiya, yes, they do have element of truth in their teachings but they got it wrong on Jesus. Provide evidence from Qur'an where Gullam is mentioned. Google is NOT primary source of guidance in Islam. Thanks

If I'm upset?. For what? , about what? . I guess you read my post exactly how you felt.

Jesus was Muslim?

Omo na wa O!

I understand Islam has arrogated the players in Jewish history since Adam to itself, no biggie there.

You make it seem like google itself displays the answer - from google, there are directories of a number of Islamic fora from all over the world.

I never said Gullam was mentioned in the Quran, I only said he has a following and some believe his teachings as 'truth'.

I was never interested in debating Islam; I was here to talk logic but like it was said in Religion & Conflict studies class, 'religion is devoid of logic'.

Logic in the sense of truth which I said is relative.

9jacrip:



Jesus was Muslim?

Omo na wa O!

I understand Islam has arrogated the players in Jewish history since Adam to itself, no biggie there.

You make it seem like google itself displays the answer - from google, there are directories of a number of Islamic fora from all over the world.

I never said Gullam was mentioned in the Quran, I only said he has a following and some believe his teachings as 'truth'.

I was never interested in debating Islam; I was here to talk logic but like it was said in Religion & Conflict studies class, 'religion is devoid of logic'.

Logic in the sense of truth which I said is relative.

Now Focus On the topic. No more derailment. Your inputs no longer apply.

BETATRON:
lol..maybe our yoruba ancestors never believed the earth was flat but certainly the never knew that our universe was expanding and never knew a lot of fact we know today takes to the white man "pardon me if you may"

Actually I was only tryna show by virtue of the instances that our forefather cannot be correct all the time and had a lot of fallacious believes which became cripple in the face of a "bigger" truth---just take for instance our believe of the "dada" peculiar to yoruba's and igala's--our believe of twins--calabar,, and our views of the albino in other african culture--and also how our forefathers feel when there wives gives birth to a female child---thanks to a superior logic all this backward logics have been defeated

The original culture and believe of the people of arab just like our yoruba ancestors was paganism and muhammad brought islam not just for the arabs for the whole of man-kind---so it is actually not correct to term islam the arab man's culture or religion

The ignorance in the last part was a relative term bro,, take for instance how our forefather treat ailments and diseases and how they had to appease all the Gods for malaria--well in the face of modern medicine all these have died and we don't have to check some cowries to know our problems

Just like the ancients believed in the thor ---the God of thunder--well now thor is dead and we know how thunder came(superior knowledge) also how greece believed in saturn the god of agriculture well saturn is no more and we have a better knowledge of agriculture---the yoruba too has some believes peculiar to these---such as songo And the likes

I suppose you're not Yoruba or you're a Yoruba not grounded in the scientific progress of your people. Before the white man we were already aware the earth was round, we were aware of the sun, moon & stars, we were aware of Jupiter; it was a progress, slow but taking right steps.

I should ask what your understanding of the believe of Dada and Ibeji is? For me, Daada belief where I am from in many parts of Yoruba land holds no spiritual inclination and twins where I am from were regarded as special gifts from Olodumare which we developed an Orisa for; ever heard of 'Orisa Ibeji' and special treatments given to them and how people pray that newly weds have Ibeji?

I don't see how Islam is a religion for the world when it didn't start sporadically in different places at the same time or different times but started in one place but was spread by use of force; how is it a religion of the world again? Academically speaking, it is an offshoot for the correction of the societal ills of the Arab community then, a way to create some sort of sanity and it gained followership.

Again, your knowledge of Yoruba is poor. Everything you speak is from movies or perception from religion. Yoruba people had medicines for almost all ailments before even Richard Lander (if you know who he is) wrote on medicine in Yoruba land; when he got sick during one of his tour of Yoruba country he was given 'agbo' which in his own words said 'worked like magic'. Maybe where you are from they need to consult cowries before diseases are attended to. Even Americans/Europeans are in a rush to learn Yoruba herbal medicine for use because the scientific chemicals causes them a lot of problems from side effects - so no, Yoruba herbal knowledge is not dead, maybe to you.

Again, you should probably read more. Read works of Richard Lander and Hinderer (European explorers); read their works on Yoruba agriculture.

If you think Yoruba was just a group of cave dwelling, ignorant set of people whom Europeans and Arabs came to save then do research, hit libraries or buy books.

Thank you for the conversation sir.

Empiree:
Now Focus On the topic. No more derailment. Your inputs no longer apply.

Guys, I suggest to you that the next time you get into dispute with someone about Islam and claims that he has the TRUTH and that you are in darkness, you leave all other arguments at first and make this suggestion. Ask him, "IS THERE ANY FALSIFICATION TEST IN YOUR RELIGION? IS THERE ANYTHING IN YOUR RELIGION THAT WOULD PROVE YOU ARE WRONG IF I COULD PROVE TO YOU THAT IT EXIST" That is taking a scientific approach. I learnt this from Dr. Gary Miller a muslim revert. You need to increase in your knowledge by studying his GREAT WORKS about ISLAM works. Can be found on the internet.

Well I can PROMISE YOU THAT 9JACRIP will not have ANYTHING. No test, proof, nothing. This is because they do not carry around with them the idea that they shoould not only present what they believe but should also offer others a chance to prove they're wrong . But however ONLY Islam does and the Scientist too. Just telling us the DEPTH of Islam as compared to others which from inception I said are unlike ISLAM because Islam is not a Religion but a complete way of life.

WORDWORLD:
Guys, I suggest to you that the next time you get into dispute with someone about Islam and claims that he has the TRUTH and that you are in darkness, you leave all other arguments at first and make this suggestion. Ask him, "IS THERE ANY FALSIFICATION TEST IN YOUR RELIGION? IS THERE ANYTHING IN YOUR RELIGION THAT WOULD PROVE YOU ARE WRONG IF I COULD PROVE TO YOU THAT IT EXIST" That is taking a scientific approach. I learnt this from Dr. Gary Miller a muslim revert. You need to increase in your knowledge by studying his GREAT WORKS about ISLAM works. Can be found on the internet.

Well I can PROMISE YOU THAT 9JACRIP will not have ANYTHING. No test, proof, nothing. This is because they do not carry around with them the idea that they shoould not only present what they believe but should also offer others a chance to prove they're wrong . But however ONLY Islam does and the Scientist too. Just telling us the DEPTH of Islam as compared to others which from inception I said are unlike ISLAM because Islam is not a Religion but a complete way of life.

I hope you're not thinking I am a Christian.

I think the emboldened is far fetched; Science and any Religion are antithetical to each other and comparing scientific tests to Islamic test is far fetched.

Why do I say this?

Here is the outline of scientific test:

1. Question

2. Background Research

3. Hypothesis

4. Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment

5. Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion

6. Communicate Your Results

Lastly, other people should be able to do the same test and arrive at the same conclusion independently.

Does islamic test follow this? NO!

Since you want test, please prove to us that Muhammed indeed spoke with any angel at all. We are waiting.

Since you claim islam can undergo test similar to scientific method then we're waiting.

Other people should be able to conduct independent tests after you to arrive at the same answer.

Since you want to go there and called me out.

I am waiting for you to prove me I am wrong, this is the chance.

Rilwayne001:
[b] Perhaps this is a memo to rilwayne001..?lol. And I must confess, this is really an eye opener. I learnt a lot again here.

It would have been better - like I used to tell these fellows that they should utilize the time they use in foraying into Islam to study their religion more.

Truthman2012 has been here for a while and he never created a thread to preach what Christianity teaches. All he does with his countless monikers is to keep preaching hate against Islam. He has nothing to offer us about Christianity with his countless monikers, but he has hatred to preach for us about Islam https://www.nairaland.com/truthman2012

I say: could it be because there really is nothing to preach about the Bible or the fear of the rebuttal he would get from atheist or even we Muslims on the board? Or perhaps he doesn't even believe what he profess? Or he is scared of his fellow that have this contradictory view about Christianity?

Same thing applies to Annunaki. He used to be "jagoon" before switching account to what he currently is. He's been here since 2008 with no reasonable thread about Jesus and Christianity except Muhammad and Islam. Like for real is it that these people have more faith in Muhammad and Islam that Jesus and Christianity to the extent that they have nothing to offer to the latter?

Truth is, they are all confused. They are all doubting their beliefs. Dolphin heart a unitarian Christian doesn't have the same belief with jman05 a Jehovah witness. Truthman2012 a Trinity believer who is allergic to anything outside his own church, who is also allergic to Catholic it's member doesn't have the same believe with Annunaki who doesn't believe in Trinity.

From JW to Catholic-anglican-protestans to deeper life, redeem church, white garments, C and S, celestial church and so on and the confusion continues. With over 30000 Christian denomination in the world, it is evident that there are lots problem in Christianity. However these fellows are not ready to explain or proffer solution to this problems but are quick to dabble into Islam.

And the most ridiculous part is that they hardly read their Bible and in return are ignorant of a lot of lies and contradictions in it.

Just take a look at how Matthew lied in your post. The Bible has been a fraud right from Genesis to revelation. Ask Annunaki or parisbookaddict to come and clear this now and they will have nothing to say except insult. Muhammad this, Allah that.. Smh

Once again, thank you brother for this thread. This thread should adjust their thinking capacity if actually they have an active brain.

[/b]

How did you reach ur conclusion that I don't believe what Dolphinheart does?

Such a test was exactly why the scientific community listened to Einstein towards the beginning of the century. He came with a new theory and said, "I believe the universe works like this, and here are three ways to prove whether am wrong". So the scientific community subjected his theory to the tests and within six years it passed all three. The only proves that he has the right to be listened to. "That is my idea and if you want to try to prove me wrong, do this or try that"

A perfect example of how Islam provides man with a chance of verifying its AUTHENTICITY among other many ways is.

"Do they not consider the Quran? Had it been from any other than Allah, they would surely have found therein much discrepancy" Q4:82

This is a clear challenge to proving the Quran is not from the ALL KNOWING but as being An Arabian Culture or as mere Religion made by man.

One doesn't take an exam in school and after finishing the exam, write a note to the lecturer at the end saying "THIS EXAM IS PERFECT. THERE ARE NO MISTAKES IN IT. FIND ONE IF YOU CAN!" One doesn't do that but that is ALLAH'S challenge on the Whole of mankind including 9jacrip. I bet you as for the student, the teacher will not sleep until he found a mistake. Well that is the way the Quran approaches people.

IT DOESNT DEMAND BELIEVE, IT INVITES BELIEVE.

9jacrip:


I hope you're not thinking I am a Christian.

I think the emboldened is far fetched; Science and any Religion are antithetical to each other and comparing scientific tests to Islamic test is far fetched.

Why do I say this?

Here is the outline of scientific test:

1. Question

2. Background Research

3. Hypothesis

4. Test Your Hypothesis by Doing an Experiment

5. Analyze Your Data and Draw a Conclusion

6. Communicate Your Results

Lastly, other people should be able to do the same test and arrive at the same conclusion independently.

Does islamic test follow this? NO!

Since you want test, please prove to us that Muhammed indeed spoke with any angel at all. We are waiting.

Since you claim islam can undergo test similar to scientific method then we're waiting.

Other people should be able to conduct independent tests after you to arrive at the same answer.

Since you want to go there and called me out.

I am waiting for you to prove me I am wrong, this is the chance.

The falsification test is on you.

9jacrip:


Alright.

I'm not a muslim.

...but, isn't it in the quran also that Satan was Allah's creation and angel who decided to equal Allah but was defeated and casted to earth and rocing around to get people to perish with him?

Logic: you created something you could not control or kill then defided to cast it out.

No. It is not there as you have stated it. I think you are actually mixing what Christians believe with Islam.

ypeace:


No. It is not there as you have stated it. I think you are actually mixing what Christians believe with Islam.

He knows NOT and he is not willing to Learn. People who dont want to grow. Nobody is saying you should abandon your Believes. What we are saying is that you should not associate your IGNORANCE with what is TRUE.

9jacrip:

I hope you're not thinking I am a Christian.

You are too intelligent to be one.

9jacrip:

I hope you're not thinking I am a Christian.

You are too intelligent to be one.

9jacrip:



You just lost me with the emboldened.

You actually think Arab's belief system is superior to that of your own forefathers? Wow!

And you belief the ways of the forefathers who were able to follow a system that sustained every Yoruba before Arab & European is irrelevant?

No surprises there bro, it is normal when foreign stuff are adopted.

There's no way you can adopt a religion and retain your culture, never. You woul be at conflict with your own culture through and through.

Food is an almost irrelevant example but riddle me this, if your ancestry were Ogun adherents would you partcipate in Ogun worship and eat dogs?

If, say, the Odu Ifa that founded & sustains your ancestry required offering pigs to Ifa at intervals and eating it, would you?

Apart from general Yoruba culture, each family compound has its. So those are possible examples of food.

I honestly got lost for words and find it difficult to put my thoughts together when I saw 'superior' and 'irrelevant' in reference to Yoruba in your posts; I became heart broken and discombobulated.

All I can say is 'wow'.

Exactly why I advocated for a new trend.


You completely neglected the previous phrase before 'superior'. And it is quite myopic if you interpreted 'non Yoruba' culture to mean 'Islamic culture'.

Yoruba relies on verbal transmission of knowledge, history or information from older generations to new ones. Jews have one of the most reliable history in the world because they use both writings and verbal transmission method.

It is clear that one is more reliable (superior) than the other. Are you saying that Yoruba when confronted with similar situation should continue their inferior culture?

Not everything you wrote afterwards can be deduced from my original statement. Therefore I won't reply to them because I belief they are formed on the wrong base.......... Kindly answer the question in the previous paragraph.

WORDWORLD:


He knows NOT and he is not willing to Learn.

This may be based on the discussion you had with him. However, he has not displayed such for me to reach that conclusion.

ypeace:

This may be based on the discussion you had with him. However, he has not displayed such for me to reach that conclusion.

Well i have reached mine. I hope you reach yours soon enough.

WORDWORLD:


The falsification test is on you.

I'm not the one who claims religion can be proven, it was you.

ypeace:


Exactly why I advocated for a new trend.


You completely neglected the previous phrase before 'superior'. And it is quite myopic if you interpreted 'non Yoruba' culture to mean 'Islamic culture'.

Yoruba relies on verbal transmission of knowledge, history or information from older generations to new ones. Jews have one of the most reliable history in the world because they use both writings and verbal transmission method.

It is clear that one is more reliable (superior) than the other. Are you saying that Yoruba when confronted with similar situation should continue their inferior culture?

Not everything you wrote afterwards can be deduced from my original statement. Therefore I won't reply to them because I belief they are formed on the wrong base.......... Kindly answer the question in the previous paragraph.

1. The thread is about islam. Hence, I'm working within the frame of 'Islam' here.

2. Again, you've slipped but you shall not fall. There are several sources as far as history writing goes. A written record does not necessarily mean an authentic record. Yoruba have their history recorded in oral traditions, oriki, ewi & Ifa.
The total timeline of Jewish history as recorded in the Torah places it at 60,000 years ago. Discoveries of human fossils put human existence back to millions of years back. How accurate is Jewish history again bro?

3. There's no 'superior' or 'reliable'. Each culture has its own perculiarity; should we say Yoruba is superior to every other culture for keeping the record of his history, medicine, myths, spirituality, geography, arts in Ifa with over 6,000 verses? No, we should not.

9jacrip:


I'm not the one who claims religion can be proven, it was you.

Which prove my TRUISM that only Isam and the scientist have a faslification test to provide. I have given you an example from the Quran. If you read through carefully. You will understand what it means by falsification test. Not what you have presented. A REASON WHY I SAID YOU AINT WILLING TO LEARN.

ypeace:


No. It is not there as you have stated it. I think you are actually mixing what Christians believe with Islam.

Thank you.

I just learnt something.

Apologies for my wrong presumption.

If you can, maybe you can enlighten me how Satan came about in Islam since it does not follow the Torah/Bible version of Lucifer.

WORDWORLD:


Which prove my TRUISM that only Isam and the scientist have a faslification test to provide. I have given you an example from the Quran. If you read through carefully. You will understand what it means by falsification test. Not what you have presented. A REASON WHY I SAID YOU AINT WILLING TO LEARN.

Can you do the falsification test of Muhammed speaking with angels or not?

To show islam indeed has falsification test to provide?

9jacrip:



1. The thread is about islam. Hence, I'm working within the frame of 'Islam' here.

2. Again, you've slipped but you shall not fall. There are several sources as far as history writing goes. A written record does not necessarily mean an authentic record. Yoruba have their history recorded in oral traditions, oriki, ewi & Ifa.
The total timeline of Jewish history as recorded in the Torah places it at 60,000 years ago. Discoveries of human fossils put human existence back to millions of years back. How accurate is Jewish history again bro?

3. There's no 'superior' or 'reliable'. Each culture has its own perculiarity; should we say Yoruba is superior to every other culture for keeping the record of his history, medicine, myths, spirituality, geography, arts in Ifa with over 6,000 verses? No, we should not.

This trend is about Islam?

Each culture has its own peculiarities. Agreed. But should Yoruba reject the culture of writing because they use verbal transmission?

Are you trying to say oral transmission is infallible?

We are duelling much on the analogy I made not on the point I am trying to prove which is, there are peculiarities (which I called elements in the post you disagreed with) in other culture which if Yoruba should adopt will improve their culture and not degrade it. I made this claim because you made it seem as if every adopted culture is a disadvantage.

Empiree:
[s]Okay, let me keep it simple. I am not gonna waste time dealing with everything you wrote except highlighted part. You owe it to yourself to proof annunaki right or wrong.

Now, let me clear bold part with my little understanding. In Islam, Quran teaches that God is One who created the whole universe including living and non-living things. Including seen and unseen like Angels and Jinn etc. We believe it is this same One God who created humans, muslims and non-muslims whether we believe Him or not.

An herbalist who calls on satan etc and his/her request is answered or met, we Muslims do not believe it is satan that granted his/her wish(es). We believe it is same God, Allah. The problem however is calling God almighty and ascribing His Majestic Attributes to and through other means, His creation and assuming the creation (like Jesus etc) is God. That's where major problem is. And if you claim Allah is not the same as God (I dont know about Yahweh), then, maybe you need to do a little research what Jesus(p) called God. He didnt call Him "Yahweh" or God. He called Him [size=15pt]Allaha[/size]. I think we discussed this before.

Allah is the proper and unique name for God. Jesus(p) did not speak english. Therefore, he could not have called Him God. Matter of fact, the word GOD is mockery if you spell it backward. But if you spell Allah backward you still get the same pronunciation, the same meaning. Allah Akbar (God Is Greatest)

You are even making things worse by saying God is not the same as Allah which implies that Christian God is not the same as Muslim God. The implication is YOU DO NOT BELIEVE IN ONE GOD.

Understand?[/s]

-50

This is very wrong.
Allah is the god who goes against the christians surah 5:51

Allah is a god who forces his followers to fight, even when they decide to behave level headed and calm
Quran 2:216

Allah is the only god who acts greedily and practices a method of "force them to worship me, kill them if they dont"
Quran 2:193

And your behaviour towards us makes you call us unbelivers and thats what ISIS reads and follows till date, don't refer to me that isis isn't of Allah cos what ever they say, they summarise with "Allah willing"

So you see, Allah is indeed not a god who even atheists like Chinese see as Jehovah. Jehovah is one peaceful God who preaches peace and tolerance. The only reason christians hasn't attacked muslims is because we haven't put away our bible, hence the day we do, you would remember the Romans and what they are known for... this is civilization, and peace is the way forward, not the kind of peace islam preaches.

ypeace:


This trend is about Islam?

Each culture has its own peculiarities. Agreed. But should Yoruba reject the culture of writing because they use verbal transmission?

Are you trying to say oral transmission is infallible?

We are duelling much on the analogy I made not on the point I am trying to prove which is, there are peculiarities (which I called elements in the post you disagreed with) in other culture which if Yoruba should adopt will improve their culture and not degrade it. I made this claim because you made it seem as if every adopted culture is a disadvantage.

Oral tradition of any mode is not infallible but written record is not any better.

You make it seem like Yoruba was oblivious to writing.

Yoruba had already begun to write, ever heard of Oluorogbo & his writings? It was developing till it got altered. Ever wondered why he's regarded as 'akowe orun' the person who brought knowledge of writing? His writings are at his temple & Ooni's palace on display and being worked on to be deciphered.

You obviously do not know Yoruba history. You probably know a great deal about Arab history than the history of your own people.

Yoruba developed as an independent people with its own culture and government that dotted the map of the world at the period of Oyo. Yoruba culture is regarded as one of the highly rated cultures in the world and hotly sought after; Yoruba in every aspect was developed and I do not think there was any reason to 'adopt' from others when people adopted from us from Benin to Dahomey, to Togo and in recent times North America, Europe & Asia.

A culture that tries to kill your self identity and gives you one you're alien to, a culture that is at war with the culture of your own people, a culture that makes you think your own culture is evil, a culture that could lead you to condemn or go to war with your own people is not only a disadvantage to your own culture but to you as a person - point blank.

An example of adoped culture comparison:

We have adoped English as an official language and instruction in Education, what progress have we made thus far in inventions & discoveries - NIL.

Asians retained their language as official & for academic insteuction. What progress have they made in inventions & discoveries - you guessed right, a lot!

The same goes for India; look at them in medicine & ICT.

Same goes for the Arab world; they arenow the world's capital of tourism & crazy achitectural works.

Now, tell us about adopting a superior culture again and how it will benefit us, I am waiting.

9jacrip:




Oral tradition of any mode is not infallible but written record is not any better.

You make it seem like Yoruba was oblivious to writing.

Yoruba had already begun to write, ever heard of Oluorogbo & his writings? It was developing till it got altered. Ever wondered why he's regarded as 'akowe orun' the person who brought knowledge of writing? His writings are at his temple & Ooni's palace on display and being worked on to be deciphered.

You obviously do not know Yoruba history. You probably know a great deal about Arab history than the history of your own people.

Yoruba developed as an independent people with its own culture and government that dotted the map of the world at the period of Oyo. Yoruba culture is regarded as one of the highly rated cultures in the world and hotly sought after; Yoruba in every aspect was developed and I do not think there was any reason to 'adopt' from others when people adopted from us from Benin to Dahomey, to Togo and in recent times North America, Europe & Asia.

A culture that tries to kill your self identity and gives you one you're alien to, a culture that is at war with the culture of your own people, a culture that makes you think your own culture is evil, a culture that could lead you to condemn or go to war with your own people is not only a disadvantage to your own culture but to you as a person - point blank.

An example of adoped culture comparison:

We have adoped English as an official language and instruction in Education, what progress have we made thus far in inventions & discoveries - NIL.

Asians retained their language as official & for academic insteuction. What progress have they made in inventions & discoveries - you guessed right, a lot!

The same goes for India; look at them in medicine & ICT.

Same goes for the Arab world; they arenow the world's capital of tourism & crazy achitectural works.

Now, tell us about adopting a superior culture again and how it will benefit us, I am waiting.

beautiful post bro. I await his reply
although I doubt he will grace this thread with it

9jacrip:




Oral tradition of any mode is not infallible but written record is not any better.

You make it seem like Yoruba was oblivious to writing.

Yoruba had already begun to write, ever heard of Oluorogbo & his writings? It was developing till it got altered. Ever wondered why he's regarded as 'akowe orun' the person who brought knowledge of writing? His writings are at his temple & Ooni's palace on display and being worked on to be deciphered.

You obviously do not know Yoruba history. You probably know a great deal about Arab history than the history of your own people.

Yoruba developed as an independent people with its own culture and government that dotted the map of the world at the period of Oyo. Yoruba culture is regarded as one of the highly rated cultures in the world and hotly sought after; Yoruba in every aspect was developed and I do not think there was any reason to 'adopt' from others when people adopted from us from Benin to Dahomey, to Togo and in recent times North America, Europe & Asia.

A culture that tries to kill your self identity and gives you one you're alien to, a culture that is at war with the culture of your own people, a culture that makes you think your own culture is evil, a culture that could lead you to condemn or go to war with your own people is not only a disadvantage to your own culture but to you as a person - point blank.

An example of adoped culture comparison:

We have adoped English as an official language and instruction in Education, what progress have we made thus far in inventions & discoveries - NIL.

Asians retained their language as official & for academic insteuction. What progress have they made in inventions & discoveries - you guessed right, a lot!

The same goes for India; look at them in medicine & ICT.

Same goes for the Arab world; they arenow the world's capital of tourism & crazy achitectural works.

Now, tell us about adopting a superior culture again and how it will benefit us, I am waiting.

I have heard this argument that we don't have any reason to 'adopt' anything from another culture. But from my study of history (not only Arab history), NO NATION ATTAINED MORDERN DEVELOPMENT IN ISOLATION (reference can be found in solution to mass unemployment in Nigeria by prof Ogbimi). There is always a need to learn from others. The problem with your argument is that because Yoruba has acquired bad culture is not basis that they can't acquire better culture from non Yoruba.

Yoruba may not be oblivious to writing, but writing is not a culture to the Yorubas. It is one of the things the Jews are known for.

Yoruba culture is highly rated. And you know what?Developed culture will not adopt Yoruba culture hook, line and sinker into theirs. They will sieve it and adopt a superior culture. Therefore they get better.

Yoruba blame their inability to sieve adopted culture on something other than themselves. And make it a basis for an argument that we do not need to adopt any culture.