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Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by damogul: 1:02pm On May 19, 2016
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Nigerians have a problem with analysis and comprehension. The pathology report has set the man free. Trauma did not kill her, bodily harm did not, even if he was abusive yet his physical abuse did not kill her rather dilutional hyponatremia did. Facts are facts and the law is all about facts. This is why the west would always be better than we are. We know nothing yet feel we know it all.
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by damogul: 1:05pm On May 19, 2016
damien2:
There is no mention of dilutional hyponatremia in the article.

Regardless, I assume that it would be easy to attribute it to sexual activity if it is indeed dilutional hyponatremia. I don't think it should be hard to find evidences of recent sexual activity. sad



The pathological report does not have to say that specifically. As long as it attributed cause of death to water In the head then medically speaking the only water in the head issue is known as dilutional hyponatremia.
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by MsGlobalwonder(f): 1:10pm On May 19, 2016
mukhcech:


You are just implicating yourself upandan. In a sane world, with the bolded, you will be called in as a witness to the Murder. Stop saying what u dont know. Leave judgement to God esp on this case.

Now I know why they say most of u women on this thread here are just being irrationally emotional,
lool. Implicating myself. You see, that you didn't have access to the chat (that by the way is commonplace) is not my fault. Lool. Pls chill. I know the constitution wayy more than you and I wont be picked up for as witness. Now who is being emotional? Oh pulzz.. we were all here when that lady allegedly stabbed her husband; everyone including myself called it murder even without any proof like we have now. So chill and take your philosophy to the gullible that will take it hook, line and sinker. Cheers.
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by Shym3xx: 1:10pm On May 19, 2016
damogul:
Nigerians have a problem with analysis and comprehension. The pathology report has set the man free. Trauma did not kill her, bodily harm did not, even if he was abusive yet his physical abuse did not kill her rather dilutional hyponatremia did. Facts are facts and the law is all about facts. This is why the west would always be better than we are. We know nothing yet feel we know it all.

It's just embarrassing and troubling. And most of these people would start touting all kinds of degrees they've got when they can end do the two most basic things: reading and comprehension.

The medical field is a very sensitive one since it deals with life and death. And you have to always follow due process and go with whatever results you get from tests. If you're not satisfied with the results, there's room for more testing to be done. It has no place for assumptions and outsmarting yourself.

You see that's why in naij families, most parents think paracetamol is the almighty wand that cures everything. When you've flu, they'll give you paracetamol. You've hay fever, it's paracetamol. Internal bleeding, it's paracetamol. Allergy, it's paracetamol. grin grin grin

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Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by MsGlobalwonder(f): 1:22pm On May 19, 2016
mukhcech:


Being irrational wont win u a debate or an argument. The best it does is that it ends the discussion. Buh not yet let me take u on ur thought. If mayweather was unnecessary confrontation and irration like some women are, em sure he would have been knocked out so many times. Men will be men. Its a shame women shy away from the truth. U failed to address the point I raised which is some women wants to be hit by her husband while some wants to fight(exchange blows) her husband. The former is manageable buh the latter are the most devilish of women.

Using ur Logic which I think and u know is flawed: The same way u think everyman should not engage Mayweather in a bout even though if he becomes confrontational is the same way a woman should never engage a man esp her husband in a fight. Most often than not she will be battered like mayweather will batter anyman that challenges him.


N:B the story I shared ealiar was about my both parents and this will be the 3rd yr of my Marriage. I sure know the stuff em talking bout which u seem not to have clue. Em 25 now and I know Dad has never hit mum since I was born. All em saying is not all men can do that. We are different.


angry Irrational? Because I said, no one is responsible for anyone's beastly attitude except themselves? Should we blame the men that got battered by their wives for cheating to be responsible for making their once gentle wives beast? If a man can't deal again in a relationship, there are exit route (separation, divorce, break-up etc) and he has no right under heavens to beat a woman just because he can. That was why I gave the analogy. A typical wife beater can't stand his fellow man in a combat. No one born of a woman has any right to place hand on a woman regardless of so-called provocation.
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by damien2: 1:22pm On May 19, 2016
I am not a medical professional however I will have to disagree with you on that. My first question after reading the report was ‘what do you call having water in the head?'. It was innate. I didn't think twice about it.

If I were to agree with you, I will also have to assume that every time I go to the doctor. He/she does not need to bother to write down my diagnosis.

You could be right on the diagnosis however I don't agree that the report didn't need to put it down specifically. I think the pathologist need some more training. What type of world would we be living in if professionals cannot use terminologies in the conduct of their professions?

We could also attribute this confusion to the mor.onic news outlet that didn't see it fit to ask.



damogul:



The pathological report does not have to say that specifically. As long as it attributed cause of death to water In the head then medically speaking the only water in the head issue is known as dilutional hyponatremia.
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by damien2: 1:24pm On May 19, 2016
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Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by HaneefahRN(f): 1:31pm On May 19, 2016
damogul:



My dear I am sure u do not know more than the pathologist does. It is clearly stated WATER IN THE HEAD. Not not any fluid but WATER. cerebral oedema is general but specicically her pathologist stated dilutional hyponatremia as cause of her death. Perhaps you need to look that up before you tag me a fraud or a hypocrite.

I never claimed to know more than that pathologist. Fluid and water are sometimes used interchangeably.

What irked me was how you kept trying to relate the cause of death with a sexual romp. Besides how many hours of sex could she have had non-stop that would have lead to such and for dilutional hyponatremia to occur she must have drank so much water while having the marathon sex you claim
she had.
Cerebral oedema is general and dilutational hyponatremia could lead to it, yes, although I'm not saying that couldn't have happened, but we are not sure it did.

What is sure is that there was evident head injury.
How did she come about the head injuries and signs of violence on her body? Let us wait and see how the investigation goes.
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by Ruq: 1:34pm On May 19, 2016
damogul:



This is not about being emotional or because the deceased is female this is about facts. You being female are also being emotional as this happened to one of same gender but to me thats not being realistic. What most people just want to hear and read about is a man beats his wife and they want to hang him by his balls but nobody wants to know why he even got pushed to the extent of doing so... yes I said PUSHED because most men would never raise their handson their wives but women are in a league of their own when it comes to provoking reactions from men.

If the landlady testified of his quiet nature and he also said he loved the wife so much so that he even got her a car though yet enroute and if he said (without being coerced) that he slapped her under provocation then he is being somewhat honest if all that had been confirmed. His kids are old enough to say if daddy beats mummy often and if mummy was home all weekend.

All facts right now point that the husband isnt culpable because if he said he slapped her and the pathology report says his slap wasnt what caused the water in her head then he has no case. He would probably be taken for counselling and then released. HE IS A FREE MAN.

All of them would always downplay the fact that they are sensitive to issues like this, I don't know why it seems their victory lies in nailing males to the coffin. In their mind they think every male is in support of whatever happened despite a substantial amount of guys still thinking the guy is guilty. But no their focus is those who thinks he isn't. To them that's feminism. smiley They don't see they're just following endless patterns.


I think the man guilty of manslaughter though.
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by mukhcech(m): 1:38pm On May 19, 2016
damien2:
Many people don't know that some men can turn a seemingly gentle woman to a monster. Men know this for a fact. A recent example is the female lawyer accused of murder in Ibadan.




Definately, I completely agree with you.
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by mukhcech(m): 1:41pm On May 19, 2016
MsGlobalwonder:
lool. Implicating myself. You see, that you didn't have access to the chat (that by the way is commonplace) is not my fault. Lool. Pls chill. I know the constitution wayy more than you and I wont be picked up for as witness. Now who is being emotional? Oh pulzz.. we were all here when that lady allegedly stabbed her husband; everyone including myself called it murder even without any proof like we have now. So chill and take your philosophy to the gullible that will take it hook, line and sinker. Cheers.

it is a grave sin/crime convicting someone of a crime without evidence.

On a conclusive note, I think the only one that can judge this case is Almighty God. I don't knw if u believe in God.
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by nonjebose(m): 1:54pm On May 19, 2016
freshcvvs:








Water could have gotten into her head via various means

(1) Swimming
(2) Drinking of water
(3) Bathing/Showering.

Very possible any of these must have occurred.
Your submission is inconclusive mister.
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by mukhcech(m): 1:57pm On May 19, 2016
MsGlobalwonder:
angry Irrational? Because I said, no one is responsible for anyone's beastly attitude except themselves? Should we blame the men that got battered by their wives for cheating to be responsible for making their once gentle wives beast? If a man can't deal again in a relationship, there are exit route (separation, divorce, break-up etc) and he has no right under heavens to beat a woman just because he can. That was why I gave the analogy. A typical wife beater can't stand his fellow man in a combat. .......No one born of a woman has any right to place hand on a woman regardless of so-called provocation.

On the first Bolded, Yes. Need I say more.
On the second bolded. Lol, u are so funny, where the heck do u get ur rules and facts from? Mayweather, the one u using to scare every man is a woman beater. He has a broad history of violence against women.

On the third Bolded. Pls it is ridiculous qouting that statement. It seem to be a verse of women holy book. It is a stale qoute that makes no sense. How about this No one woman that comes from the loins of a man has the right to provoke or talk back to her husband when he talks or during an argument. Mine is even more logical cos here, it is a right excusively reserved for her husband unlike ur selfish qoute that gives right to everywoman and anywoman even if she is a highway robber.
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by MsGlobalwonder(f): 1:58pm On May 19, 2016
mukhcech:


it is a grave sin/crime convicting someone of a crime without evidence.

On a conclusive note, I think the only one that can judge this case is Almighty God. I don't knw if u believe in God.
no it's not only God that can judge the case. Heck, he won't judge the case because he has given us wisdom to do justice. Don't be surprised if truly Lekan is guilty, he can still make heaven if he seek for forgiveness. It's that easy for God. But the onus is on us to go out of our way to make sure the perpetrator is brought to book and justice prevails to serve as deterrent to potential killers. Most of which are plenty on this threat undecided undecided

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Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by nonjebose(m): 2:00pm On May 19, 2016
HaneefahRN:


I never claimed to know more than that pathologist. Fluid and water are sometimes used interchangeably.

What irked me was how you kept trying to relate the cause of death with a sexual romp. Besides how many hours of sex could she have had non-stop that would have lead to such and for dilutional hyponatremia to occur she must have drank so much water while having the marathon sex you claim
she had.
Cerebral oedema is general and dilutational hyponatremia could lead to it, yes, although I'm not saying that couldn't have happened, but we are not sure it did.

What is sure is that there was evident head injury.
How did she come about the head injuries and signs of violence on her body? Let us wait and see how the investigation goes.
Exactly! That is my opinion. The investigation is still ongoing. There are loose ends to tie by the police
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by MsGlobalwonder(f): 2:13pm On May 19, 2016
mukhcech:


On the first Bolded, Yes. Need I say more.
On the second bolded. Lol, u are so funny, where the heck do u get ur rules and facts from? Mayweather, the one u using to scare every man is a woman beater. He has a broad history of violence against women.

On the third Bolded. Pls it is ridiculous qouting that statement. It seem to be a verse of women holy book. It is a stale qoute that makes no sense. How about this No one woman that comes from the loins of a man has the right to provoke or talk back to her husband when he talks or during an argument. Mine is even more logical cos here, it is a right excusively reserved for her husband unlike ur selfish qoute that gives right to everywoman and anywoman even if she is a highway robber.
apparently your mind is made up due to the society we find ourselves. It's ok. It's fine. But i'm talking about a sane clime and society where women are respected and the rule of law reigns supreme ; no woman has any right to maim a man for whatever reason. She has a choice to sue him if he is her husband and the law will take it's course. I used mayweather as an example to say it's all shades of wrong by all standard to batter a woman because you can for whatever reason be it provocation or cheating! Won o fi egba anybody si anybody lowo. If you can't stand a nagging woman you married, then divorce her. If you can't stand a cheating woman, please divorce her. We have the law for such a thing as this. I repeat! NO MAN BORN OF A WOMAN HAS ANY RIGHT TO LAY HANDS ON ANOTHER WOMAN. Cheers,
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by stevecantrell: 2:35pm On May 19, 2016
Shym3xx:


In as much as the report is inconclusive, how did you come to the conclusion that it's cerebral oedema (brain swelling) when there's no trace internal bleeding and they clearly stated that it has nothing to do with the violent marks on her face i.e head injuries?

Stevecantrell, you can do better than this. Guys don't deal with emotions - guys deal with logic.


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Oga Shymexx, you be criminologist ?

As a medical doctor, I was simply expressing my horror at the reporter's mutilated translation as to the cause of death. No nursing student uses words like that, let alone a certified pathologist.
As to your logic vs emotion jibe , the original post reads

saintmark88:
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However, sources said further medical checks finally attributed the cause of her death to “respiratory seizure as a result of water in the head and some injuries also in the head.”

SOME INJURIES....
Now unless you're a criminologist, common logic tells us this report NEITHER implicates nor exonerates Mr Lekan at this stage. Its already been documented that the victim suffered a history of domestic abuse at the hand of her husband before her demise.
Until we know the timeline of these injuries in relation to her time of death as well as the husband's whereabouts within that timeline, it would be highly irresponsible for law enforcement to discharge and acquit Mr Lekan at this time till further investigation is made.....that's some logic for you grin

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Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by Adortem: 3:14pm On May 19, 2016
pucelle:


What caused the water and injuries in the head?


they should hold that man very well.


Ladies listen and listen good, before Autopsy report becomes your portion, RUN from an abusive marriage
What caused water in the head? I think the man might have forced her head into a mass of water and the injuries on the head were signs of struggle for survival from her. But then what do I know,I wasn't there,why not ask the kids?
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by Shym3xx: 3:37pm On May 19, 2016
stevecantrell:

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Oga Shymexx, you be criminologist ?

As a medical doctor, I was simply expressing my horror at the reporter's mutilated translation as to the cause of death. No nursing student uses words like that, let alone a certified pathologist.
As to your logic vs emotion jibe , the original post reads

SOME INJURIES....
Now unless you're a criminologist, common logic tells us this report NEITHER implicates nor exonerates Mr Lekan at this stage. Its already been documented that the victim suffered a history of domestic abuse at the hand of her husband before her demise.
Until we know the timeline of these injuries in relation to her time of death as well as the husband's whereabouts within that timeline, it would be highly irresponsible for law enforcement to discharge and acquit Mr Lekan at this time till further investigation is made.....that's some logic for you grin

Still back to emotion vs logic. From your reply, you clearly omitted these two excerpts:

1). But it ruled out the possibility of her death due to violent marks on her face.

2). While he was being expected, an inconclusive report, which emerged Tuesday, however, showed that the bruises on the corpse could not establish the cause of her death.

Based on the two excerpts, it clearly stated that the report is inconclusive and it also ruled out the violent marks on her face and the bruises on the corpse. Bear in mind, that I never posited that the man should be exonerated. I did allude to the fact that further testing need to be carried out and that the medical history of the woman also has to be examined.

Now, since you're a medical practitioner, I'll like to ask you the following questions (call it cross examination):

- Why would you make an assumption based on an inconclusive report, since it's against the practice in the medical profession?

- Even if you believe it's cerebral oedema, resulting from violence, how come no traces of blood clot was cited in the autopsy report, since brain swelling associated with violent attack always result in blood clot?

- Why did you rule out the possibility that the brain swelling must have been caused by other factors or an event that happened prior to when the both of them got into an argument? I believe cerebral oedema is caused by different things and in most cases, it isn't an instant killer. How about examining the angle that she probably had it before he had contact with her, or might have developed the mental trauma during the marathon sex ordeal with her boss?

Let's start from here and note that I didn't exonerate him. And there's nothing in the autopsy report about cerebral oedema.
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by stevecantrell: 4:42pm On May 19, 2016
Shym3xx:


Still back to emotion vs logic. From your reply, you clearly omitted these two excerpts:



Based on the two excerpts, it clearly stated that the report is inconclusive and it also ruled out the violent marks on her face and the bruises on the corpse. Bear in mind, that I never posited that the man should be exonerated. I did allude to the fact that further testing need to be carried out and that the medical history of the woman also has to be examined.

Now, since you're a medical practitioner, I'll like to ask you the following questions (call it cross examination):

- Why would you make an assumption based on an inconclusive report, since it's against the practice in the medical profession?

- Even if you believe it's cerebral oedema, resulting from violence, how come no traces of blood clot was cited in the autopsy report, since brain swelling associated with violent attack always result in blood clot?

- Why did you rule out the possibility that the brain swelling must have been caused by other factors or an event that happened prior to when the both of them got into an argument? I believe cerebral oedema is caused by different things and in most cases, it isn't an instant killer. How about examining the angle that she probably had it before he had contact with her, or might have developed the mental trauma during the marathon sex ordeal with her boss?

Let's start from here and note that I didn't exonerate him. And there's nothing in the autopsy report about cerebral oedema.

As I said we cannot presume him innocent nor guilty based on a newspaper report, that's exactly what we are reading here..a newspaper repot, edited and paraphrased. Without the actual pathologist report we are only arguing over nothing. Let's talk when or if we ever see the actual report.
You make a brilliant deduction when you say cerebral oedema (water in the brain) could have a cause other than trauma, with trauma we are more like likely to expect blood than water but that doesn't rule out the possibility completely. You know there such a thing called a toxicology report No autopsy is complete without it.
The report tells us if the woman ingested drugs, or substances that would have produced the findings they saw.Now, was a toxicology report attacked to this autopsy or not was it done at all ? The newspaper reporter doesn't say. This is why the west continues to be way ahead in every field, medicine journalism, governance etc.

So until we see the actual report everyone is free to play devil's advocate or otherwise...in the West , a district attorney wouldn't let go so easily. Knowing what we know ; injuries were present, there were marks on the face and head, a positive history of domestic violence...he would be asked not to leave town. Have you even heard of Nigerian CSI ? You probably haven't cause they don't exist. A good CSI would have cleared this man beyond reasonable doubt or sent him straight to the hangman, unfortunately we don't have such.

The true cause of death may never be known but I can assure you, whether cooked or not this mediocre autopsy will set the man free eventually.

Then talking about infidelity, when I first opened this, I was expecting to see something like "semen found in victims vagina" nothing like that....could it be they didn't check or they found something and covered it up ? Many surgeons might have been jailed in this country if not for doctored autopsy report...so let's not rule out the possibility that Shonde is telling the truth about wife sexing the boss...but LIED that he didn't touch her....What if the both medical and legal officers decided to declare the case 'a draw' she cheated, he hit her,she died.....no need of causing more grief to both their families....Think with your left brain Mr Shymexx. This is Nigeria !

And just to remind you, no Western hemisphere pathologist would accept this autopsy without a TOXICOLOGY report.
No toxicology reprort no autopsy that's the way it should be, that is the international benchmark. I congratulate Mr Shonde, this lousy report cannot convict him in any Nigerian court of law...or Africa or the world or the universe for that matter. A competent investigator would ask for a whole new autopsy to be conducted with a different set of medical examiners..chai !

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Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by Shym3xx: 5:09pm On May 19, 2016
stevecantrell:

As I said we cannot presume him innocent nor guilty based on a newspaper report, that's exactly what we are reading here..a newspaper repot, edited and paraphrased. Without the actual pathologist report we are only arguing over nothing. Let's talk when or if we ever see the actual report.
You make a brilliant deduction when you say cerebral oedema (water in the brain) could have a cause other than trauma, with trauma we are more like likely to expect blood than water but that doesn't rule out the possibility completely. You know there such a thing called a toxicology report No autopsy is complete without it.
The report tells us if the woman ingested drugs, or substances that would have produced the findings they saw.Now, was a toxicology report attacked to this autopsy or not was it done at all ? The newspaper reporter doesn't say. This is why the west continues to be way ahead in every field, medicine journalism, governance etc.

So until we see the actual report everyone is free to play devil's advocate or otherwise...in the West , a district attorney wouldn't let go so easily. Knowing what we know ; injuries were present, there were marks on the face and head, a positive history of domestic violence...he would be asked not to leave town. Have you even heard of Nigerian CSI ? You probably haven't cause they don't exist. A good CSI would have cleared this man beyond reasonable doubt, unfortunately we don't have such.

The true cause of death may never be known but I can assure you, whether cooked or not this mediocre autopsy will set the man free eventually.

Then talking about infidelity, when I first opened this, I was expecting to see something like "semen found in victims vagina" nothing like that....could it be they didn't check or they found something and covered it up ? Many surgeons might have been jailed in this country if not for doctored autopsy report...so let's not rule out the possibility that Shonde is telling the truth about wife sexing the boss...but LIED that he didn't touch her....What if the both medical and legal officers decided to declare the case 'a draw' she cheated, he hit her,she died.....no need of causing more grief to both their families....Think with your left brain Mr Shymexx. This is Nigeria !

And just to remind you, no Western hemisphere pathologist would accept this autopsy without a TOXICOLOGY report.
No toxicology reprort no autopsy that's the way it should be. I congratulate Mr Shonde, this lousy report cannot convict him in any Nigerian court of law...

I believe I've been careful enough in all my posts on this thread, based on the sensitivity of the issue, not to exonerate the man. And I did cite manslaughter cos based on the information available - we can all deduce that it wasn't premeditated murder and going forward, even before the final autopsy report, it should be viewed as an accusation of manslaughter.

I don't know how the legal system works in Nigeria, however, in civilised climes, cases of this nature (if it gets to the Supreme Court) always set the precedence on how similar cases would be judged in future. Hence we have to analyse it properly, so there won't be heavy handedness in the outcome and justice would be served the best way. It could happen to you or any other guy in Nigeria cos anger isn't foreign to humanity - it's part of our consciousness and anyone can be a victim of circumstance. So folks have to always be futuristic in their thought process.

Now back to what you posited. You agree with me that if it had been cerebral trauma due to violence, traces of blood would've cited in the autopsy report, despite the fact that it's inconclusive. I believe that's why we don't need to throw implicating words around and wait for the final report. Assumptions won't help anyone. And I do agree that there ought to be toxicology report as well. Also, the woman's medical history has to be checked and analysed.

Anyway, the woman has families and the onus is on them to pursue the case to the end, till justice is served, if they believe there's foul play in her death. They can always do their own autopsy and present whatever the result is in a court of law. We just need to be careful when apportioning blame.

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Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by stevecantrell: 5:10pm On May 19, 2016
nonjebose:
Exactly! That is my opinion. The investigation is still ongoing. There are loose ends to tie by the police

But Shymexx and other' logics' here say the man is free to go....where in the world does that happen ?
It happens in Nigeria.
Mind you, with that terrible autopsy the investigation will hit a dead end and the man will go free...
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by nonjebose(m): 5:16pm On May 19, 2016
stevecantrell:


But Shymexx and other' logics' here say the man is free to go....where in the world does that happen ?
It happens in Nigeria.
Mind you, with that terrible autopsy the investigation will hit a dead end and the man will go free...
That would be most unfortunate

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Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by Shym3xx: 5:16pm On May 19, 2016
stevecantrell:


But Shymexx and other' logics' here say the man is free to go....where in the world does that happen ?
It happens in Nigeria.
Mind you, with that terrible autopsy the investigation will hit a dead end and the man will go free...

Lol, I never said the man is free to go. I just countered folks talking out of their arses and throwing medical terminologies that have no correlation whatsoever with the autopsy report. Folks need to always argue in context and stick to the information available, when it comes to sensitive issues.

I'm just not a fan of the court of public opinions where folks who don't know anything always act like Emeritus Professors. At least, I respect ya opinion cos you're in the medical field and you did correct ya assumption. All these other folks don't know what the hell they're yapping about, and it's about emotional bandwagon.

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Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by stevecantrell: 5:20pm On May 19, 2016
Shym3xx:


I believe I've been careful enough in all my posts on this thread, based on the sensitivity of the issue, not to exonerate the man. And I did cite manslaughter cos based on the information available - we can all deduce that it wasn't premeditated murder and going forward, even before the final autopsy report, it should be viewed as an accusation of manslaughter.

I don't know how the legal system works in Nigeria, however, in civilised climes, cases of this nature (if it gets to the Supreme Court) always set the precedence on how similar cases would be judged in future. Hence we have to analyse it properly, so there won't be heavy handedness in the outcome and justice would be served the best way. It could happen to you or any other guy in Nigeria cos anger isn't foreign to humanity - it's part of our consciousness and anyone can be a victim of circumstance. So folks have to always be futuristic in their thought process.

Now back to what you posited. You agree with me that if it had been cerebral trauma due to violence, traces of blood would've cited in the autopsy report, despite the fact that it's inconclusive. I believe that's why we don't need to throw implicating words around and wait for the final report. Assumptions won't help anyone. And I do agree that there ought to be toxicology report as well. Also, the woman's medical history has to be checked and analysed.

Anyway, the woman has families and the onus is on them to pursue the case to the end, till justice is served, if they believe there's foul play in her death. They can always do their own autopsy and present whatever the result is in a court of law. We just need to be careful when apportioning blame.

OK well said....but you and I would both be fools if were to go to war over what we only read here..we don't know if blood clots were found or not because we cannot see the actual autopsy report. The journalist isn't very good he might have omitted that info...I went to some highschool and did uni in Nigeria...its not just the legal system, everyone with the slightest position of authority can make a devil into a saint and a saint into a devil...that also goes for lecturers, police, football coaches, judges, clergymen, medical doctors ...name it ! We can't knew what happened behind closed doors unless your privy to it. I've been behind many closed doors....as a witness in many instances...you would be shocked I tell you !
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by freshcvvs: 5:26pm On May 19, 2016
nonjebose:
Your submission is inconclusive mister.

Based on? any superior submission from you?
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by stevecantrell: 5:32pm On May 19, 2016
Shym3xx:


Lol, I never said the man is free to go. I just countered folks talking out of their arses and throwing medical terminologies that have no correlation whatsoever with the autopsy report. Folks need to always argue in context and stick to the information available, when it comes to sensitive issues.

I'm just not a fan of the court of public opinions where folks who don't know anything always act like Emeritus Professors. At least, I respect ya opinion cos you're in the medical field and you did correct ya assumption. All these other folks don't know what the hell they're yapping about, and it's about emotional bandwagon.

OK man...I always resonate with your opinion on this forum. (80% pf the time grin )You're one of the very few...
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by Shym3xx: 5:36pm On May 19, 2016
stevecantrell:


OK well said....but you and I would both be fools if were to go to war over what we only read here..we don't know if blood clots were found or not because we cannot see the actual autopsy report. The journalist isn't very good he might have omitted that info...I went to some highschool and did uni in Nigeria...its not just the legal system, everyone with the slightest position of authority can make a devil into a saint and a saint into a devil...that also goes for lecturers, police, football coaches, judges, clergymen, medical doctors ...name it ! We can't knew what happened behind closed doors unless your privy to it. I've been behind many closed doors....as a witness in many instances...you would be shocked I tell you !

Lol, stevecantrell, you're the doozy and I can't go to war with you. The only thing I can do is help you find Blu Cantrell, so the both of you can get jiggy with it lool. grin

I respect ya opinions and I understand where you're coming from. However, it's always better to follow due process when a situation involves life and death. Personally, I want justice to be served the right way and not by the shenanigans of the court of public opinions. There are tons of innocent people in jail for crimes they didn't commit or folks doing harsh sentences for crimes they should've got light sentences for. So no matter how you look at it - it always go both ways.

Hey, folks can come on here and label me as anti-woman and all kinds of tripe. I don't care. I've got four extremely beautiful and highly educated sisters that I'm overly protective of. But that doesn't negate the fact that I'm a guy. And as a guy, once you're over 22, you would've been a victim of harsh judgement cos of women, at least once in ya life cos according to the society - the man is always the villain, due to societal standards and how we all still subconsciously view the male specie, despite the fact that the dynamics of the world have changed. We're in a new consciousness now, where both sexes are viewed as equal. So we need to also follow the tide as well and start looking at both sides of the story before passing judgement.

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Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by Shym3xx: 5:40pm On May 19, 2016
stevecantrell:


OK man...I always resonate with your opinion on this forum. (80% pf the time grin )You're one of the very few...

Lol. Thanks for that, though I'm mostly never serious in my posts and I can be eccentric sometimes.

I respect you a lot as well.

Shalom.

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Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by stevecantrell: 5:49pm On May 19, 2016
Shym3xx:


Lol. Thanks for that, though I'm mostly never serious in my posts and I can be eccentric sometimes.

I respect you a lot as well.

Shalom.

Blu ?
She my cousin from another mother...we don't roll like that..tongue
Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by Shym3xx: 6:06pm On May 19, 2016
stevecantrell:


Blu ?
She my cousin from another mother...we don't roll like that..tongue

Lol.

But 'breathe'. grin

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Re: Ronke Shonde: Autopsy Attributes Death To Respiratory Seizure by OBAGADAFFI: 9:02pm On May 19, 2016
PelicanPrince:
I think the husband in question will be charged simply for manslaughter, maybe a three months jail sentence and det free. My readons are simple, this incident happened in Nigeria, and our constitution accomodates correcting (spanking) ones wife provided it doesnt cause grievous harm to tje wife. Now, he claims he only slapped his wife and to me thats correcting his wife according the law hed allowed to do so. Secondly the autopsy state clearly that him slapping (correcting) his wife did not cause grievous harm (death) but an edema in her head. The cause of a brain edema could be head trauma , low blood sodium (hyponatremia), high altitude, brain tumors , or an obstruction to fluid drainage (hydrocephalus). Headaches, confusion, and unconsciousness or
coma can be symptoms of cereral edema.
I think what happened in this case is when she got caught, the wife surely mustve been stressed up, also not forgetting her eventful weekend which she wouldnt have gotten over yet, with everything mixing up in her head and the slapps from the husband and all the confusion around her must have overwhelmed her and eventually led to her death.
A simple example is the headaches we all have when we are stressed, its caused by some form of pressure in the brain.
To answer the square question why he went into hiding initiay, I think it was fear but when he learnt about:



Section 55(1)(d). Correction of Child, Pupil, Servant or Wife.
(1) Nothing is an offence which does
not amount to the infliction of grievous hurt upon any persons which is done :
(a) by a parent or guardian for the purpose of correcting his child or ward . . .
(b) by a schoolmaster for the purpose of correcting a child . . .
(c) by a master for the purpose of
correcting his servant or apprentice . . .
(d) by a husband for the purpose of correcting his wife , s
uch husband and wife being subject to any native law or custom in which such correction is recognized as lawful. Just my tot


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