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| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by T9ksy(m): 8:03pm On May 16, 2016 |
GorkoSusaay:Bad ke? It was atrocious for a lack of more apt adjective to depict his careless and selfish behaviour. The chest -beating orangutan lookalike still went to war despite the fact that, with Gowon's decree 8, he Ojukwu had already got 90% of what he asked for and taking full cognisance of reality on the ground which is that he is simply gambling with the lives of his own people by falsely claiming to be fighting not as an under-dog. He played on his people's emotions by telling them that the Nigerian army was geared up to exterminate the whole lot of them so they might as well die fighting however when it became obvious that his big fat head was on the block he scampered away into safety leaving his kith and kins at the mercy of those he claimed were poised to annihilate them. That guy should have been strung up by the b.a.ll.s for war crimes! |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by PenSniper: 8:06pm On May 16, 2016 |
gidgiddy:You are apparently a confused fellow. |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by gidgiddy: 8:10pm On May 16, 2016 |
GorkoSusaay:Ojukwu fought hard for three years. In 1970, his commanders adviced him that they could no longer hold out. Ojukwu the handed over to Philip Effiong and flew out. When Philip Effiong the announced a halt to the fighting and and eventual surrender, the Nigerian Soldiers who did not know that Ojukwu was gone searched for Ojukwu for three days to kill him. If Ojukwu had stayed back, he would have been killed and his body would have been paraded for the world press to see and used as a propaganda tool. So what would have been the point of Ojukwu staying back to be killed over a war that had almost ended? Ojukwu left and later came back, when he died, he recieved one of the greatest burials in Africa. If he had stayed back, the Federal Soldiers would have cut off his head and used it to play football |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by gidgiddy: 8:14pm On May 16, 2016 |
PenSniper:Your problem is that you don't know Nigerian history. All you are doing is echoing the washed out version of Nigerian history that the Lagos/Ibadan expressway media have been peddling about for years to justify their involvement in genocide |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by PenSniper: 8:24pm On May 16, 2016 |
List of High Commissioners of the United Kingdom to Nigeria Countries belonging to the Commonwealth of Nations typically exchange High Commissioners, rather than Ambassadors. Though there are a few technical differences, they are in practice one and the same office. The following persons have served as British High Commissioner to the Federal Republic of Nigeria since the country gained its independence from the United Kingdom on 1 October 1960: 1960–1963: Antony Head, 1st Viscount Head[1] 1964–1967: Sir Francis Cumming-Bruce[2] 1967–1969: Sir David Hunt[3] 1969–1971: Sir Leslie Glass[4] gidgiddy: |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by gidgiddy: 8:31pm On May 16, 2016 |
PenSniper:That maybe, but Mr Parker was deputy High commissioner of the Eastern Region. The point I was trying to make is that the regions had a high degree of autonomy under Ironsi he se and talk about unitary rule is baseless |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by gidgiddy: 8:40pm On May 16, 2016 |
T9ksy:An I missing something here? Federal Soldiers came to the Eastern Nigeria to fight but it was Ojukwu that went to war? Weird story. What is this story that Ojukwu got 90% of what he asked for when the most important think Ojukwu asked for in Aburi Ghana was a confederation of the four regions which Gowon blatantly ignored by creating 12 states. As for the talk that Ojukwu played on the emotions of people, laughable. Thousands of easterners had already been slaughtered in broad daylight, Children drowned in wells, pregnant women had the bellies slit open and foetus executed, millions of refugees were flooding back to the eastern region. What emotions were there to play with? |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by PenSniper: 7:26am On May 17, 2016 |
gidgiddy:You mean i don't know Nigerian history a la Ibo propaganda you mean ? Hello Pal, i was a living witness of all that happened in Nigeria right from the time of "weti e" in the SW to the end of the war. I kept myself abreast of the goings-on by avidly listening to our wonderful WNBS through another of our unique asset of those days, thank to the great Awolowo, called the Redifusion as well as reading the "Daily Times". |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by infoispower(op): 7:27pm On May 17, 2016*. Modified: 12:37am On May 18, 2016 |
gidgiddy:Are you just choosing to adore blindly or you are ignorant about the facts: I believe that experienced political leaders of the older generation like opara,ibiam,zik,awo,bello even balewa would place appropriate value on the lives and well being of its follower’s un like the military leadership mindset that sees humans as a pawn on a chess board battlefield. Regardless of ojukwu mistakes i would have admired him if he had not fled,after such destruction and loss of lives of his kin men,women and children as a result of his decision ,that was the height of cowardice that made his brave and strong personality Questionable . most of his inner circle and advisers heard on THE RADIO that he had fled for ivory coast. This is from one of the greatest biafran patriot who was also one of biafra's diplomats, on page 225 of chinua achebe’s "there was a country" quote”after ojukwu fleed,sir louis mbanefo the biafra chief justice and general philip effiong met with a small group of biafran government officials and made the decision to surrender”un quote. HE IS A COWARD....... |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by infoispower(op): 7:59pm On May 17, 2016 |
gidgiddy:Why is it so convenient for some ojukwu followers to blame every thing on propaganda when the events were well documented by western media who where way ahead of us then. no mater how efficient propaganda is,the truth catches up with it,because there are lots of historians and media recording acounts of the events….. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nigerian_Civil_War Biafran elites studied Western propaganda techniques and released carefully constructed public communications in an intentional fashion. Biafran propagandists had the dual task of appealing to international public opinion, and maintaining morale and nationalist spirit domestically. Political cartoons were a preferred medium for publicising simple interpretations of the war. Biafra also used push polling to insinuate messages about Nigeria's inherent bloodthirstiness.[116] Novelist Chinua Achebe became a committed propagandist for Biafra, and one of its leading international advocates.[20] Roy Doron, "Marketing genocide: Biafran propaganda strategies during the Nigerian civil war, 1967–70", Journal of Genocide Research 16.2–3, "In order to organise a coherent policy, and to create a strategy to circumvent the obstacles of creating effective propaganda during wartime, the Biafrans created a series of plans, of which only one, 'Guide lines [sic] for effective propaganda' (also called Plan #4), Heerten & Moses, "The Nigeria–Biafra War" (2014), pp. 174–175. "Realising their slim chances on the battlefield, the Biafran leadership moved the conflict into the propaganda domain. I can get you more… [color=#006600][/color] |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by gidgiddy: 8:26pm On May 17, 2016 |
infoispower:So you wanted Ojukwu to stay back, get himself killed and have his dead body paraded in front of the world press so that he can win your respect? I laugh in Igbo. If Ojukwu had done this, what do you think his enemies would be saying today? You think they would be calling him a brave man? They would have called him a fool who was caught and killed like Chicken. Ojukwu would have indeed been a fool to give his enemies such satisfaction when he had an escape route. Ojukwu lived to his 70's and when he died, he recieved a State funeral almost on the level of Mandela. That's the memory we will take of Ojukwus death, not the one you wanted for him. Ojukwu has the respect of the vast majority of his people even in death and that's what matters. It's funny that Ojukwu who fought the combined military might of Nigeria, Britain, Russia and Egypt for 3 years can be called a coward by the same people who could not fight and who ran to be a$$lickers of the North. As for the million who died, it was Nigeria that killed them. It was Nigeria that came down to East to fight. Nigeria placed more value on keeping the colonial creation of Lord Lugard called Nigeria together than it did about the lives of so many people. Today, Ojukwu has been vindicated. The Nigeria Ojukwu fought has not progressed an inch since the civil war ended and the people are more divided than ever. |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by GorkoSusaay: 10:23pm On May 17, 2016 |
gidgiddy:No, Ojukwu could have negotiated a fair political arrangement or listened to the wisdom of Zik and others, when he had the chance. You cannot encourage people to fight to death, to see their children starving and dying and when shit is about to hit the fan, you just pack up and flee with your Mercedes Benz. Mind you, Gowon was and is very different from Murtala Mohamed and many other field commanders. He wouldn't spit on a reasonable agreement. |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by infoispower(op): 12:19am On May 18, 2016*. Modified: 12:45am On May 18, 2016 |
GorkoSusaay:can you imagine ojukwu was so inexperienced that he declared independence just 2 months after aburri conference , he should ave given diplomacy more time if even for a year or more while preparing for war and let other leaders like opara , ibam and zik who was later biafran emissary do what they know how to do best. azikuwe eventually withdrew his support for biafra because ojukwu frustrated his efforts believe me azikuwe unlike ojukwu has administrative and diplomatic experience and he is not a coward… This is the conversation between chinua achibe and senator francis ellah who helped set up the biafran mission in London. on page 126 of chinua achebe’s "there was a country" quote”i think that when we were in a position to achieve a confederation we should have accepted the chance or opportunity, when we were insisting that biafra sovereignty was not negotiable. we ought to have considered the tragedy of the situation” un quote. I am not here bash biafra or the igbos i do whole heartedly support and believe in biafran agitation for independence then, the course was just and right,the timing was perfect and the opportunity was there,i believe we are better of with old federal system before ironsi when the central government had little power or even better as 3 to 6 separate nations. my point is that ojukwu lacked administrative or diplomatic experience that could have guided better decisions,he was newly appointed by ironsi and igbos turned to him as the man in power during the crises,which gave him access to some of best administrative and political minds in nigeria but he had a stubborn personality and refused to take advantage of some of the good advises this belief is shared by some igbo elites and states men and even some amongst his inner circle too. Lets call a spade a spade ojukwu was not the best to lead the agitation for biafra,the only thing the igbos gained from his leadership was "DEATHS AND DESTRUCTION'S". Stop blaming other tribes for ojukwus errors and military blunders if the movement had been led by someone else igbos would have witness the emergence of THE LAND OF THE RISING SUN. |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by gidgiddy: 7:08am On May 18, 2016 |
GorkoSusaay:The problem of the youth of today is that they like to discuss politics without knowing Nigerian history. You are saying that Ojukwu did not negotiate a fair settlement? What do you think Ojukwu went to Aburi, Ghana to do? To play lawn tennis? Ojukwu despite thousands of his people being killed, despite Ojukwu being senior to Gowon in the Army, despite his personal safety, Ojukwu went to Ghana and negotiated a confederation of the four regions. He signed that agreement with Gowon. Gowon returned to Nigeria and broke the agreement which forced Ojukwu to declare Biafra. That was when Gowon now came down to the East to fight. Why do you people never blame Gowon for causing a war by breaking the Aburi agreement he signed? In addition to all this, throughout the war, Ojukwu flew out on several peace missions brokered by the OAU. In all of these meetings, Ojukwu offered Gowon a referendum as a requirement to stop hostilities. Gowon said no, we are all 'one Nigeria'. So Ojukwu had encourage his people to fight for their freedom. Nigeria and Gowon caused the war, they killed millions because they wanted economic and political control of Nigeria. That's what it was all about. Ojukwu was just the only one who decided not lead his people down the path of slavery. 18 million people died fighting oppression in the First World War. Over 50 million died fighting oppression in the second world war. Over 3 million died fighting the same in Biafra. My respect is for those like Churchill, Eisonhower, Roosevelt ,Montgomery and Ojukwu who all fought for the freedom of their people from oppression. I have no respect for all the cowards that said "please let's not fight! Let us accept northern domination and one Nigeria so that the North will not kill us!" |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by laudate: 4:45pm On May 20, 2016 |
gidgiddy:Guy, even your own rejoinder has so many errors. What year were you born and whose viewpoints are you quoting? Which peace agreement was signed in Ghana? If you are speaking about the Aburi accord, a lot of key players have come out to state their own side of the facts and render a true account of what transpired during the meeting. Go and do some research to get the real facts. Ojukwu wanted a confederacy and a lot of other things as well. Over 80% of his demands were met, yet he still went ahead to declare secession after several entreaties not to do so, and a lot of warnings about the consequences of his action. So please stop recycling hearsay and free your mind! |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by laudate: 4:52pm On May 20, 2016 |
AdiscoPele:Guy, abeg leave them. They will never acknowledge the truth. Even the South-easterners that did not own any bank account and did not save a dime in any bank, are part of those lamenting the 20 pounds policy. They are in fact, the ones making the loudest noise. When the Biafran troops overan the old Mid-West and looted the Central Bank in that area, did any of them stop to consider the implication of their actions? When Ojukwu came back and got back his father's properties that were seized, did he lobby the Federal government to return the properties of any South-easterners that were seized during the war? All the Civil war veterans at Oji River, what has been done by South-east governors to rehabilitate them? ![]() |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by laudate: 5:01pm On May 20, 2016 |
PenSniper:What am I seeing? What planet is the person living on? The Unitary decree not only killed the regions, it made sure they existed in name only by the time Gowon took over. This is just an elementary aspect of Nigeria's political history! |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by Ariani: 5:42pm On May 20, 2016 |
93xtr9r:The Edo Yoruba ass licker is back again for another round of flogging from Ndiigbo. |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by Ariani: 5:56pm On May 20, 2016 |
T9ksy:Still worshipping your Hausa-Fulani masters as always. An agreement is reached by give and take, once it's reached, it could only be totally implemented or not implemented, nothing like 90% or ten percent ish. Ojukwu never left Ndiigbo at the mercy of Nigerian annihilation, by the time Ojukwu was done, the Nigerian Army had suffered lots of casualties and the British public image had taken lots of bashing by her citizens and the world over, for her total support of Nigeria. You would have committed extermination of Igbo race if you had the powers to, but with the attention of the whole wide world on Biafra and the Britain eager to end hostilities to save her battered image, you were in no position to carry out your ultimate plans. So stop talking trash. You wanted Ojukwu for war booty, to use to spite generations of unborn Igbos, the Igbo denied you that, get over it, Ojukwu was buried a hero, not a villain like you wanted, deal with it and stop crying more than the beareved. Awo would have been strunged by the balls in Kiriikiri by IBB, if he didn't take the easy way out by poisoning himself with otapiapia to save himself from the ignominy of his failed treachery, I understand why this is a bitter tale for you, and why you wished Ojukwu such fate. Awo had lied to Yorubas that his first treason charge under Balewa was Igbo set up, even though the judge that sentenced him to prison was Yoruba, a second treason charge and Imprisonment by IBB would have be very hard to explain away, so the coward took the easy way out and ended his miserable life on earth. Deal with it and leave Igbos and Ojukwu alone. |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by laudate: 6:07pm On May 20, 2016 |
PenSniper:Chisos! ![]() |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by 63xtr0r: 7:59pm On May 20, 2016 |
laudate:laudate, the hypocrite and the first-class delusional degree holder, stop spreading your wicked propaganda against Igbos just because you dread to be left behind with your Northern masters. Is there something you are really afraid of? Since you lack the ingenuity on how to achieve success in life, you have been banking on stealing Igbo wealth and properties. Let me warn you and your cohorts: Your greed will only lead you to your Waterloo quicker than you ever imagined. Igbos won't give up their freedom for gold or silver. But for our assets and wealth outside Igbo land that you and your cohorts so much crave for, you can never possess them. Sorry to disappoint you! |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by gidgiddy: 8:41pm On May 20, 2016 |
laudate:Yes the peace agreement I meant was the Aburi agreement. You can imagine the level of acrimony that was around to necessitate Ojukwu and Gowon meeting outside Nigeria. Whatever account you heard about Aburi, the most important thing which everyone will agree on is that an agreement was signed by Gowon and Ojukwu in front of the then president of Ghana, General Ankrah. Now you said that Ojukwu got 80% of what he wanted? Yes this is true. He got it on paper in Aburi, Ghana. He did not get in reality in Nigeria. Do you know why Ojukwu declared Biafra? Ojukwu declared Biafra because Gowon broke the cardinal rule of the Aburi agreement rendering the entire agreement useless. The Aburi agreement stated that Gowon would not change the confederal structure of Nigeria agreed in Ghana unless all four Military Governors of the four regions also agreed. It didn't matter if three of them agreed, all four must and had to agree. On the 27th of May 1966, Gowon violated this agreement by announcing the abolishment of the 4 regions and the creation of 12 states. Gowon acted in direct contravention of the agreement he signed because Ojukwu never agreed to repealing the regions. In response, Ojukwu declared Biafra 3 days later. Ojukwu never got what he negotiated and signed in Ghana. |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by PenSniper: 8:55pm On May 20, 2016 |
laudate:My bro, see me see this wahala guy who waka come from Biafra telling me i do not know nigeria's history hence my claim that Ironsi abrogated regionalism and replaced it with unitary system and went on to ibonise military and civil positions in hovt. He tried to convince me that regionalism survived Ironsi but was cancelled with the creation of 12 states by Gowon. I copied a google link by a neutral author but he termed it a Yoruba propaganda. He claimed the SE had its own british ambassador. I told him hes been fed with lies by the Ibo who are adept at propaganda, lies and re-writing history. He concluded that my problem emanated from my lack of nigeria history. That made me tell him i witnessed the genesis through the revelation of the history from "weti e" which i witnessed first-hand at Enu Owa and Arubidi areas of Ile Ife upto the shameful and cowardly capitulation and surrender of the mis-adventurers from the SE. Thereafter, he went mute. |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by PenSniper: 8:58pm On May 20, 2016 |
laudate:Ti o ba di osu kejo ma a pe ogota ole marun. |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by laudate: 6:19pm On Jun 06, 2016 |
gidgiddy:Bros, this your theory you posted here is highly twisted oh! Also find out why N. Akpan Secretary to the Military Governor-East, who attended the Aburi meeting with Ojukwu disagreed with Ojukwu's version of the events that transpired in Aburi, when they returned to Nigeria! ![]() |
| Re: Ojukwu The Most Incompetent Military Leader Of The 21 Century by YorubaHighness: 4:25am On Jun 07, 2016 |
I wholeheartedly agree with the title of this topic. He attempted to preside over Nigeria two times but his Ibo people chose a Yoruba man instead. |
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They will never acknowledge the truth. Even the South-easterners that did not own any bank account and did not save a dime in any bank, are part of those lamenting the 20 pounds policy. They are in fact, the ones making the loudest noise. When the Biafran troops overan the old Mid-West and looted the Central Bank in that area, did any of them stop to consider the implication of their actions? 
What planet is the person living on? The Unitary decree not only killed the regions, it made sure they existed in name only by the time Gowon took over. This is just an elementary aspect of Nigeria's political history!