Tobakunn:
Greetings @ all,

@Justcool, could you please provide clarity on the concept of 'Vanity'? The meaning of the word is something I'm well aware of but the word itself embodies, or rather, expresses a concept which I have not been able to grasp completely. I will be really grateful for any help you can proffer.

Thank you for your consistent assistance.

Wishing you all that is pure and true.

@Tobakunn

Thanks for your questions.

It is my perception that vanity refers to any endeavor that brings no spiritual benefit. Hence any endeavor that is futile, worthless, or valueless. Since it is the spiritual benefit that adds value to anything or makes any endeavor worthwhile, anything that has no spiritual benefit is valueless or worthless; hence vain.


An example of vanity is the overly attention that is paid to the appearance of the physical body while not attention is paid to the spiritual intuition. Anything done to the body that brings no benefit to the spirit is vanity. Look at all the energy, money and time that mankind waste today on cosmetics. Women will lie, steal, and even sell their virtues just to buy cosmetics or beautify their bodies one-sidedly in a manner that incites lust and not in a manner that corresponds to the spiritual intuition.

There is nothing wrong in cultivating beauty, making the physical body beautiful or even using make up (cosmetics) to a responsible extent. However, this should be done with an alert intuition. In beautifying themselves, women should give physical expression to beauty that they embody inside. Hence in their physical appearance they give us a hint of the luminous realms. But when it is done just to draw attention to the body or to the individual, it becomes vanity.

All vanity stem from our weakness or desire to draw attention to ourselves or our importance. It is through this vanity in us that Lucifer’s traps mankind. He tempts the individual with the reward of power, or self-importance; one who is vain is already at his mercy. Even preachers and called ones fall victim to this temptation as soon as they start to use their power to draw attention to themselves and not to God. If you cast an intuitive glance at the temptation of Jesus, you will observe that among other things, Lucifer tried to lure Jesus into using His power to draw attention to Himself. The metaphorical “turn stones into bread” means: Use your power to make the lives of men easy (give them bread of physical comfort), alleviate their physical needs so that you can draw them to you and they will acknowledge you as their savior! But the love of Jesus resisted and defeated Lucifer because Jesus has no vanity in Him; He had no desire to be acknowledged (celebrated) or to become popular before men. Rather than that, Jesus gave men what men needed spiritually. And what mankind need spiritually was the word of God, or as it is metaphorically depicted in the bible, “every word that proceeds from the mouth of God.” And this is what Jesus was will to give to mankind, even at the cost of men hating, rejecting, mocking and ultimately crucifying Him. Hence the allegorical expression, “man shall not live by bread alone but by every word that proceeds from the mouth of God,” means “What mankind needs most is spiritual knowledge, or knowledge of God Almighty, which I am willing to give them at all cost; not the bread of physical comfort.”

This is why people like Abd-ru-shin, who have no iota of vanity in them, would rather have their readers or listeners pay attention to their word and not to them personally. Abd-ru-shin wished that readers and listeners of His Grail message should heed the word and not Himself; and the gratitude arising from the spirits that have recognized the Truth in His message; He wished they should be directed to God and not to Himself. Hence while He was on earth, He was indifferent to what mankind’s gratitude to Him, but only found joy when mankind was grateful to God. Hence He was able to say the absolute Truth, even though He knew He may become unpopular among men. He wished not be a celebrity on earth; for He served God Almighty alone and not man’s vanity.

Consider, what benefit will it bring a man to know everything personal about Abd-ru-shin, and yet not able to understand His Grail message and live accordingly? What benefit will it bring you to know every personal detail about the earth life of Jesus, to follow Him in twitter and Facebook like people do most preachers today, put his pictures on your wall, write and sing songs of praises to Him, yet not able to understand His message and live accordingly?

What does it benefit a man to know the entire scriptures, to be able to quote it verse by verse, and yet lack love for your fellow creatures? Such knowledge will only bring you earthly distinction, earthly scholarships and awards, open doors to universities, draw congregation of admirers and listeners to you, but it will not take you half a step closer to God because it lacks spiritual benefit. It is simply vanity.


Another very grievous offshoot of vanity is conceit. This is the individual overinflating his ego and having illusion of grandeurs regarding his abilities and self-worth. This is one of the major problems with humanity o today. Everyman considers himself the center of the universe; he thinks the whole world revolves around him. Hence, naturally he (most times unconsciously) considers himself more important that his fellow human beings. This is why he doesn’t mind hurting others to preserve himself; he simply puts himself before others. This is self-love; the individual making an idol of himself.

As with the individual so with the entire mankind. Look at the way mankind treat the earth as if it is their own. They destroy the atmosphere, the lands, forests, and even animals! Just to build their factories that manufacture nuclear weapons and cosmetics.

I can go on and on regarding the offshoots of vanity; indeed every sin has vanity at its core.

In the Ten Commandments of God, we are given the greatest advice to overcome vanity. Obedience to the first commandment, which is the most exalted commandment is the surest way to avoid vanity; for one who puts God before all else and worships only God is free from all vanity. Such a person will not make an idol of himself, i.e. he will not practice self-love. He will never consider himself more valuable than his fellow creatures. Hence he will never hurt his neighbor to preserve himself.

The son of God gave us further advice on how to live to avoid all forms of vanity. With the words, “Love thy neighbor as thyself,” Jesus gave us a shield which if used, will protect us from all vanity and hence we can overcome all temptation.


Thanks and remain blessed.

@Justcool,

Man should give thanks to the Almighty for everyone and everything he comes into contact with, all his experiences but my heart won't feel at rest if I do not express my gratitude to you.

Therefore, I thank and glorify the Lord for granting you such insights and I also thank you for taking the time to share them with us. What you wrote up there is invaluable indeed and it provided me with what I needed to hear in the way I needed to hear it. It is something that will be read over and over whenever I require guidance on the issue. Thanks once again.

If I may ask, knowing that you will understand this question of mine better than I can clothe it in words, how do you handle it all? What you see everyday, what you hear on the news? Understand me please, I mean, how do you cope with all you see? All the wrong around you? The actions of our fellow men? We shouldn't judge in line with the words of Jesus Christ which says 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'; for most of us, even though we are trying, are no better ourselves but we are still able to recognise what is wrong. What do you do then? Correct he who is wrong? But he won't listen, it is my recognition, not his; why should he put any stock to my words?

The thing is I had a conversation with someone today and it ended up drifting to where many of the problems in my immediate environment were discussed, things which fill me with sadness daily. But during the conversation, I thought to myself that what is the point of seeing it if I can't do anything about it? What good is it to my fellow men if I can't use all I've been allowed to know to help them, all the while knowing that they need help?

I don't know if it's an infantile question and I may snap out of it after some time but I just really need to put it out here right now. If any of your precious insights, those insights that gleam colourfully under the Light of the Truth, can help in any way, I will be really grateful to you.

If anyone has anything to say concerning this, it would also be appreciated.


Wishing everyone here all that is noble and true.

@Justcool

can only say Thank you......as usual.

@Tobakunn

perhaps you know this quote already but herewith it is by Edward Everett Hale:

“I am only one, but I am one. I can't do everything, but I can do something. The something I ought to do, I can do. And by the grace of God, I will.”

Thank you for your contributions.

Speer:

@Justcool

can only say Thank you......as usual.

@Tobakunn

perhaps you know this quote already but herewith it is by Edward Everett Hale:

“I am only one, but I am one. I can't do everything, but I can do something. The something I ought to do, I can do. And by the grace of God, I will.”

Thank you for your contributions.

Thank you Speer, thank you.

"The solution to your question lies in the fact that both astral and physical is gross matter. Hence they share a certain level of homogeneity. As you already know, there types of gross matter: (1) Fine gross matter, (2) Medium gross matter (astral), and (3) Heavy gross matter (physical).

Now these three are arranged by the law of gravity, based on their weight, density, or coarseness. Hence based on this, the physical(heaviest gross) matter should lie deepest or furthest from the light than the astral and fine gross matter. However, the law of motion also comes into play. The slower or more sluggish anything is, the further will be its distance from the Primordial Light. Hence astral forms (forms of evil thoughts etc) that lack movement, being slower than the physical in movement, are bound to sink lower than the physical; the accumulation of these works forms planes that are lower, darker, more rigid, and uglier than the physical. This is how the dark planes of the beyond came into being; these dark planes need not exist, hence we can call them unnatural. These lower worlds are works of man, not nature!"

Hello Justcool,

The above is from one of your replies on pg. 14 of this thread.

First inquiry:

Had please wanted to ask and clarify/confirm a point-----that we have a plane/sphere of medium gross matter and one of fine gross matter in the "downwards/darker/lower" direction that have been created or come into existence thru the darker and base volitions/actions of mankind.
For some time one had been angling with the impression that all the lower/dark planes/spheres were only ethereal in nature.

2nd inquiry:

The medium and fine gross matter planes (in either direction)------are they also subdivided into seven sub-stages/sub-planes?

3rd inquiry:

This relates to the chapters Departed this Life (Vol. 2) and In the Land of Twilight (Vol. 3) of the Message. In them, what I believe to be the first and second planes/spheres of the ethereal realm are talked about----The Land of Shadows and The Land of Twilight.
From the book by Franchezzo (that you have not read), a further two of the spheres (in ascending order) are named----The Land of Dawn and The Morning Land.

Had please wanted to ask if you could share whatever knowledge you have of the seven ethereal spheres (whatever you feel is appropriate enough to share).

4th inquiry:

After a human spirit has achieved a certain level of consciousness, it need not incarnate into the gross material earth for any more lessons/learning/karmaic debt fulfillments-----------is there a specific "cut-off" ethereal plane that correlates with this level of consciousness i.e. once a human spirit attains to that plane, all of its further development in the Material World will only take place in the Ethereal planes ?

5th inquiry:

This is a "an-aside" inquiry not directly related to the Message.
Was A. Hitler a Called One who failed and went very astray? Was told that he was actually Aaron (Moses' half-bro) who was to use his gift of oratory/communication in service of the Message/Mission (just like in Moses' time).

Thanks and have an upbuilding week.

Speer:


Hello Justcool,

Good-day!!

The above post is from page 1 of this thread. Though you have extensively explained Lucifer, I pls wanted to ask if you still had anything more to say on the difference on what is wrong and what is evil as indicated in the bolded portion above (second to the last paragraph, last sentence).

Do not have any of the Past Eras/Millennia books on me right now so can not quote the exact sentences/footnotes from the Atlantis chapter regarding the elementals' help.

Again, thanks for the insight on The Void. Had been wanted to ask about that for a long time. First decided to try and figure it out myself...............with no progress..............and then received your explanation of it. One really has a very long journey ahead.

Have a all-encompassing receptive week.

Hi Speer,
Thanks for your questions.
A great insight regarding what is evil and what is wrong, is given in the 1931 edition of the Grail message. From the lecture, MYSTERY OF LUCIFER we read:

“Nor should one call the principle he employs the evil principle, but the wrong principle; wrong in the sense of incorrect, not unjust.” (Abdruschin) (Color change, mine)

The key word here, which solves our puzzle is “incorrect, not unjust.” One can equally rephrase it in his view as ‘incorrect, but not lacking in justice. Or one can say, ‘lacking in love, but not lacking in Justice’.

Hence we recognize that for any action to be correct, or as willed by God, it has to swing in both LOVE and JUSTICE. These are the major pillars of all that emanate from God, the attributes that all that conforms to His will must bear and express. Perhaps, I must mention the third one: PURITY! Hence we have LOVE, JUSTICE, and PURITY. The trinity of God, which all that accords perfectly with the Will of God must have.
Unification or attainment of these attributes gives rise to Holiness; something which only the Almighty possess, because only He is LOVE, JUSTICE and PURITY unified as one. Man can only portray an imitation of Holiness which is chastity, or righteousness; because man can only express the spiritual version or spiritual reflections of Love, Justice, and Purity of God. Hence, at best a human being can become chaste(Free from all guilt or evil) or righteous, but never HOLY; because God alone is HOLY.
The human being in the developing in the world of matter is learning how to portray or reflect this trinity in all that he does. A spirit that has matured enough to reflect these attributes of God in the right manner becomes chaste. I.e. He becomes free from all guilt and based on the law of attraction of homogenous species will be drawn to the homogenous realm of chastity—Paradise. Such a one is able to reflect perfectly, the LOVE, JUSTICE, and PURITY of God; however, in this case they are only spiritual reflections which of course cannot be compared with those streaming directly from God Himself. The love that a creature, be it the most developed spirit or Divine substantiate being, cannot be as portent as the LOVE that God is. Neither can the justice expressed or embodied in any creature compare with the Justice of God Himself, nor can any creature ever possess the Purity that is embodied in God Himself. Hence what we find in creatures, are reflections (Divine substantiate reflections, Primordial spiritual reflections, spiritual reflections, animistic reflections etc) of the actual LIVING LOVE, JUSTICE, and PURITY of God. Hence creatures can only be chaste, righteous, faithful etc., but never Holy because the concept of Holiness is reserved to God alone. But sometimes for the lack of a better word and due to the deficiency of our language, we use the word ‘holy’ in regards to a creature.

As the human spirit develops in the world of matter, sometimes he doesn’t develop these qualities equally; hence he may be able to reflect a certain limited love but fail to reflect or express justice. Actions that bear love but lack justice and purity are not evil; yet they are not correct because they do not fully conform to the will of God with demands that love, justice, and purity must be unified as one in every action. To the set of humans beings, who can express a certain love but not justice, belongs a lot of women on earth. Look around you and you will easily observe.

Example: A woman “loves” her son so much, that she is willing to do anything to make him happy. She works hard, denies herself pleasure and expensive things, so as to provide for her son. She gives him whatever he demands for, just to make him happy and cannot bear to see him cry. She lives to make his earthly physical life easy. She would never allow him to suffer, and when he makes a mistake, she happily takes the blame and suffers for him. We cannot say that this woman’s “love” for her son is evil; but it is wrong. We cannot say that this woman’s “love” for her son is evil because it is aimed at making him happy; and the desire to make another human being happy, to bring joy to him, to wait hand and foot on him, is right; but it should be tamed with justice which demands that all, not only one individual should be taken into account. But in this woman’s case, Justice is lacking for all, because by taking the blame and suffering or paying for her son’s mistakes, she is being unjust to herself. She is also unjust to her son because by suffering for him and paying for his mistakes, she has denied him the spiritual recognition which the suffering may have awakened in him. Not only the physical earthly needs should a mother consider, but his spiritual needs too.
This “love” that this woman expresses for her son is not the LOVE that mature or chaste spirits reflects. Real love directs itself primarily at the spirit; it will take earthly physical comfort in consideration, of course, but never at the expense of the spirit!

Another example of love without justice is the case of a young girl that falls in love with a man. She loves this man so much that she cannot stand seeing him upset. She will never condemn his actions because it may upset him and he may end the relationship; rather than confronting him about his actions she will silently fast and pray for him. Yet every night she falls upon her knees praying that God should make this man repent. She gives him her body whenever he wants it, even though intuitively she feels she shouldn’t, but she does it anyway, not out of lust, but just to make him happy.
We cannot say that this girl’s “love” is evil, however it is wrong because it is lacking in justice and purity. One must put God before all else and should be able to face losing anything that does not accord with His Holy will. She should not give this man her body, just to make him happy even though she feels intuitively he is lusting after her; rather she should demand that he free himself of lust and let genuine love arise in him before considering physical copulation with him. Therefore, she is being unjust to herself by allowing another human being to lay lustful hands on her.

As with love, so with justice. A man can also be just but lacking in love. Actions resulting from such will not necessarily be called evil, yet they are wrong. Think about the principle of temptation which I discussed in my reply to Merverick09. There is nothing unjust in the principle of temptation; it swings in justice, but lacks love and hence it is wrong. A person that tempts is not really being unjust, because a strong person will not be diverted from the right path by temptation, and it can even make the strong stronger; but it offers no support for the weak ones; therefore it lacks love and hence wrong. This is the principle introduced by Lucifer. It is indeed a very effect full way of separating the strong from the weak but the resultant is that all that is weak are in danger of being lust from the outset. This principle is very easily observable in the world of today, as it is practiced, not only by the law enforcement agencies, but in all institutions of learning.
An example is schools where they use multiple choice exams(OBJ exams). A question is asked and five answers given, out of which the student must choose one. Out of the five answers, only one is correct. This is an effective way of testing students, it is thought out by the brain and works well in material earthly matters or studies; but one should not employ such in spiritual matters! The idea of putting wrong answers next to the right one, from which the student must choose is a form of setting of snares, hence employs the principle of temptations. There is no injustice in it; indeed it can serve to strengthen the knowledge of the strong, but offers the weak no loving support. A weak student, who has a certain fascination or affinity with a certain wrong answer given, will easily choose it as the correct one. It also allows the possibility of one guessing his way through; hence a bad student may make a lucky guess and pass through without deserving it. This is lacking in love for the student is then promoted to the next class or given a certificate to where he will be faced with challenges he is not equipped to deal with. In spiritual matters this type of examination should not be applied. When a student is asked a question, he is not given wrong answers along with the right one. God does not give us multiple choices, He gives us His Will alone, which we must understand and live. If you approach Jesus with a question, while he was on earth, He will only give you the Truth! He will only give you the correct answer or in the case where you are not spiritually ready to absorb it, He will keep quite. He will not place some lies next to the Truth so that you can sought out the Truth from the lies! Because that involves a spiritual battle to which the weak is lost from the onset. Hence, the idea of multiple choice testing is not evil; but it is wrong as it is lacking in love.

Another similar example is the much praised system of casting votes to choose leaders: The much praised democracy. Indeed, in regards to choosing a leader, Democracy remain best system thought out by the brain; but it cannot be compared by that which emanates from the intuition and hence in accord with the Will of God. Democracy was thought out by the best intellectuals, with the purest intentions, and hence we cannot call it evil; but it is wrong. The mistake lies in using the brain, a material tool, to invent a system for human beings who are actually spiritual beings. All that the brain thinks out, even with the best intentions, will only be good for material things, but when applied to matters involving spiritual welfare, they become terribly inadequate and hence wrong. And a government designed or human beings must take spirituality, the true nature of humans, into question. Democracy gives us multiple choice! People vote based on what they see or hear! This at best is just a game of guessing! And this is not what leadership as willed by God should be. God gave us the ability to perceive intuitively, an ability which if kept pure does not permit guessing; it knows the Truth from the onset. Hence when a servant of God is sent to lead, mankind will recognize him immediately with their intuitive perception. This is how we are designed to function! However, mankind have trampled this gift o intuitive perception underfoot and substituted it with intellectual guessing games. Remember the Ishmanites and the people of Izra, they did not cast votes to decide their king. If they had done so, they would have definitely missed Him Who was sent from the Light to lead them. The guessing game called Democracy allows the opportunity of an imposter being chosen, because he pretended to be what the people needed. Hence it allows the setting of snares; because every imposter contesting for leadership is a snare or a trap into which the people may blindly fall. Also, people will always chose what is at their level off development; and this defeat the purpose of leadership because a true leader should stand half a step above the people he leads.

The principle of temptation was introduced by Lucifer in his quest to do his work fast and return to his origin. This principle is indeed effective, as it is widely applied today in the various institutions and governments of the modern era; however, this principle is not unjust, it swings in justice, but deficient in love. The fact that it is not unjust, was part of the reason why it(it’s embodiments or volitions of Lucifer) was able to climb up the heights in creation; but it could not gain a mainstay in above subsequent creation, as it was made powerless because the servants of God there are too alert to fall into any temptation. This fact of it not being unjust, hence being consistent to a certain extent with justice, coupled with the abilities that the origin of Lucifer endured him, made it possible for him to send embodiments of this principle so high in creation, this is also why he was able to temp servants of God even Jesus Himself. But he remained powerless in the kingdom of God the beings there remained steadfast to the Will of God. After his struggle with the Primordial queen and the infant son of man; he was banished from the kingdom of God. Angel Michael and a host of angels drove his volitions out of the kingdom of God. Only in subsequent creation did mankind yield to this principle by falling into temptations; this way, mankind empowered Lucifer and material creation became the field of operation of this loveless principle. But even today he has been banished from the entire creation, even the world of matter. When the time came, God sent His Holy Sword, the son of man, into the realm of Lucifer and bound him; by binding, he is unable to send his volitions into any part of creation, even material creation. The evil we encounter today in the world of matter originates from human beings who succumbed to the temptation of Lucifer. Mankind still employs this principle of temptation which will always give rise to evil when one falls for it.

The question remains, “What then is evil?” Evil is that which has no bearing to either love, Justice or Purity. That which is evil lacks in all of these three attributes. It is meant to hurt another from the unset and has no desire to help or for the benefit of another human being. That which is wrong initially can stem from genuine good intention; only that it is lacking either in Love or Justice. That which is evil was born totally out of bad intention and was never meant for any good. All that is wrong will in time, if not corrected, become evil, give rise to evil or make its participants evil; because overtime the individual who is doing wrong is shown, either through the reciprocal effect resulting from the laws of creation or through some other means, that what he is doing is wrong. If afterwards, he continues, he becomes evil! However, at the very beginning that which is wrong can possess certain, although dimmed purity, if done with good intention. Where there is learning, schools like in the world of matter, wrong actions are speculated to probably arise from the students as the students are still learning. However, evil is totally not expected and should not arise at all. Evil is totally inexcusable! It is related to the concept of wickedness. Evil has it’s origin in mankind. Lucifer himself has the greatest contempt for evil men; hence he sees them as deserving nothing but complete destruction. However, these evil men are victims of his principle.

Thanks and remain blessed.

justcool:


Hi Speer,
Thanks for your questions.
A great insight regarding what is evil and what is wrong, is given in the 1931 edition of the Grail message. From the lecture, MYSTERY OF LUCIFER we read:

“Nor should one call the principle he employs the evil principle, but the wrong principle; wrong in the sense of incorrect, not unjust.” (Abdruschin) (Color change, mine)

The key word here, which solves our puzzle is “incorrect, not unjust.” One can equally rephrase it in his view as ‘incorrect, but not lacking in justice. Or one can say, ‘lacking in love, but not lacking in Justice’.

Hence we recognize that for any action to be correct, or as willed by God, it has to swing in both LOVE and JUSTICE. These are the major pillars of all that emanate from God, the attributes that all that conforms to His will must bear and express. Perhaps, I must mention the third one: PURITY! Hence we have LOVE, JUSTICE, and PURITY. The trinity of God, which all that accords perfectly with the Will of God must have.
Unification or attainment of these attributes gives rise to Holiness; something which only the Almighty possess, because only He is LOVE, JUSTICE and PURITY unified as one. Man can only portray an imitation of Holiness which is chastity, or righteousness; because man can only express the spiritual version or spiritual reflections of Love, Justice, and Purity of God. Hence, at best a human being can become chaste(Free from all guilt or evil) or righteous, but never HOLY; because God alone is HOLY.
The human being in the developing in the world of matter is learning how to portray or reflect this trinity in all that he does. A spirit that has matured enough to reflect these attributes of God in the right manner becomes chaste. I.e. He becomes free from all guilt and based on the law of attraction of homogenous species will be drawn to the homogenous realm of chastity—Paradise. Such a one is able to reflect perfectly, the LOVE, JUSTICE, and PURITY of God; however, in this case they are only spiritual reflections which of course cannot be compared with those streaming directly from God Himself. The love that a creature, be it the most developed spirit or Divine substantiate being, cannot be as portent as the LOVE that God is. Neither can the justice expressed or embodied in any creature compare with the Justice of God Himself, nor can any creature ever possess the Purity that is embodied in God Himself. Hence what we find in creatures, are reflections (Divine substantiate reflections, Primordial spiritual reflections, spiritual reflections, animistic reflections etc) of the actual LIVING LOVE, JUSTICE, and PURITY of God. Hence creatures can only be chaste, righteous, faithful etc., but never Holy because the concept of Holiness is reserved to God alone. But sometimes for the lack of a better word and due to the deficiency of our language, we use the word ‘holy’ in regards to a creature.

As the human spirit develops in the world of matter, sometimes he doesn’t develop these qualities equally; hence he may be able to reflect a certain limited love but fail to reflect or express justice. Actions that bear love but lack justice and purity are not evil; yet they are not correct because they do not fully conform to the will of God with demands that love, justice, and purity must be unified as one in every action. To the set of humans beings, who can express a certain love but not justice, belongs a lot of women on earth. Look around you and you will easily observe.

Example: A woman “loves” her son so much, that she is willing to do anything to make him happy. She works hard, denies herself pleasure and expensive things, so as to provide for her son. She gives him whatever he demands for, just to make him happy and cannot bear to see him cry. She lives to make his earthly physical life easy. She would never allow him to suffer, and when he makes a mistake, she happily takes the blame and suffers for him. We cannot say that this woman’s “love” for her son is evil; but it is wrong. We cannot say that this woman’s “love” for her son is evil because it is aimed at making him happy; and the desire to make another human being happy, to bring joy to him, to wait hand and foot on him, is right; but it should be tamed with justice which demands that all, not only one individual should be taken into account. But in this woman’s case, Justice is lacking for all, because by taking the blame and suffering or paying for her son’s mistakes, she is being unjust to herself. She is also unjust to her son because by suffering for him and paying for his mistakes, she has denied him the spiritual recognition which the suffering may have awakened in him. Not only the physical earthly needs should a mother consider, but his spiritual needs too.
This “love” that this woman expresses for her son is not the LOVE that mature or chaste spirits reflects. Real love directs itself primarily at the spirit; it will take earthly physical comfort in consideration, of course, but never at the expense of the spirit!

Another example of love without justice is the case of a young girl that falls in love with a man. She loves this man so much that she cannot stand seeing him upset. She will never condemn his actions because it may upset him and he may end the relationship; rather than confronting him about his actions she will silently fast and pray for him. Yet every night she falls upon her knees praying that God should make this man repent. She gives him her body whenever he wants it, even though intuitively she feels she shouldn’t, but she does it anyway, not out of lust, but just to make him happy.
We cannot say that this girl’s “love” is evil, however it is wrong because it is lacking in justice and purity. One must put God before all else and should be able to face losing anything that does not accord with His Holy will. She should not give this man her body, just to make him happy even though she feels intuitively he is lusting after her; rather she should demand that he free himself of lust and let genuine love arise in him before considering physical copulation with him. Therefore, she is being unjust to herself by allowing another human being to lay lustful hands on her.

As with love, so with justice. A man can also be just but lacking in love. Actions resulting from such will not necessarily be called evil, yet they are wrong. Think about the principle of temptation which I discussed in my reply to Merverick09. There is nothing unjust in the principle of temptation; it swings in justice, but lacks love and hence it is wrong. A person that tempts is not really being unjust, because a strong person will not be diverted from the right path by temptation, and it can even make the strong stronger; but it offers no support for the weak ones; therefore it lacks love and hence wrong. This is the principle introduced by Lucifer. It is indeed a very effect full way of separating the strong from the weak but the resultant is that all that is weak are in danger of being lust from the outset. This principle is very easily observable in the world of today, as it is practiced, not only by the law enforcement agencies, but in all institutions of learning.
An example is schools where they use multiple choice exams(OBJ exams). A question is asked and five answers given, out of which the student must choose one. Out of the five answers, only one is correct. This is an effective way of testing students, it is thought out by the brain and works well in material earthly matters or studies; but one should not employ such in spiritual matters! The idea of putting wrong answers next to the right one, from which the student must choose is a form of setting of snares, hence employs the principle of temptations. There is no injustice in it; indeed it can serve to strengthen the knowledge of the strong, but offers the weak no loving support. A weak student, who has a certain fascination or affinity with a certain wrong answer given, will easily choose it as the correct one. It also allows the possibility of one guessing his way through; hence a bad student may make a lucky guess and pass through without deserving it. This is lacking in love for the student is then promoted to the next class or given a certificate to where he will be faced with challenges he is not equipped to deal with. In spiritual matters this type of examination should not be applied. When a student is asked a question, he is not given wrong answers along with the right one. God does not give us multiple choices, He gives us His Will alone, which we must understand and live. If you approach Jesus with a question, while he was on earth, He will only give you the Truth! He will only give you the correct answer or in the case where you are not spiritually ready to absorb it, He will keep quite. He will not place some lies next to the Truth so that you can sought out the Truth from the lies! Because that involves a spiritual battle to which the weak is lost from the onset. Hence, the idea of multiple choice testing is not evil; but it is wrong as it is lacking in love.

Another similar example is the much praised system of casting votes to choose leaders: The much praised democracy. Indeed, in regards to choosing a leader, Democracy remain best system thought out by the brain; but it cannot be compared by that which emanates from the intuition and hence in accord with the Will of God. Democracy was thought out by the best intellectuals, with the purest intentions, and hence we cannot call it evil; but it is wrong. The mistake lies in using the brain, a material tool, to invent a system for human beings who are actually spiritual beings. All that the brain thinks out, even with the best intentions, will only be good for material things, but when applied to matters involving spiritual welfare, they become terribly inadequate and hence wrong. And a government designed or human beings must take spirituality, the true nature of humans, into question. Democracy gives us multiple choice! People vote based on what they see or hear! This at best is just a game of guessing! And this is not what leadership as willed by God should be. God gave us the ability to perceive intuitively, an ability which if kept pure does not permit guessing; it knows the Truth from the onset. Hence when a servant of God is sent to lead, mankind will recognize him immediately with their intuitive perception. This is how we are designed to function! However, mankind have trampled this gift o intuitive perception underfoot and substituted it with intellectual guessing games. Remember the Ishmanites and the people of Izra, they did not cast votes to decide their king. If they had done so, they would have definitely missed Him Who was sent from the Light to lead them. The guessing game called Democracy allows the opportunity of an imposter being chosen, because he pretended to be what the people needed. Hence it allows the setting of snares; because every imposter contesting for leadership is a snare or a trap into which the people may blindly fall. Also, people will always chose what is at their level off development; and this defeat the purpose of leadership because a true leader should stand half a step above the people he leads.

The principle of temptation was introduced by Lucifer in his quest to do his work fast and return to his origin. This principle is indeed effective, as it is widely applied today in the various institutions and governments of the modern era; however, this principle is not unjust, it swings in justice, but deficient in love. The fact that it is not unjust, was part of the reason why it(it’s embodiments or volitions of Lucifer) was able to climb up the heights in creation; but it could not gain a mainstay in above subsequent creation, as it was made powerless because the servants of God there are too alert to fall into any temptation. This fact of it not being unjust, hence being consistent to a certain extent with justice, coupled with the abilities that the origin of Lucifer endured him, made it possible for him to send embodiments of this principle so high in creation, this is also why he was able to temp servants of God even Jesus Himself. But he remained powerless in the kingdom of God the beings there remained steadfast to the Will of God. After his struggle with the Primordial queen and the infant son of man; he was banished from the kingdom of God. Angel Michael and a host of angels drove his volitions out of the kingdom of God. Only in subsequent creation did mankind yield to this principle by falling into temptations; this way, mankind empowered Lucifer and material creation became the field of operation of this loveless principle. But even today he has been banished from the entire creation, even the world of matter. When the time came, God sent His Holy Sword, the son of man, into the realm of Lucifer and bound him; by binding, he is unable to send his volitions into any part of creation, even material creation. The evil we encounter today in the world of matter originates from human beings who succumbed to the temptation of Lucifer. Mankind still employs this principle of temptation which will always give rise to evil when one falls for it.

The question remains, “What then is evil?” Evil is that which has no bearing to either love, Justice or Purity. That which is evil lacks in all of these three attributes. It is meant to hurt another from the unset and has no desire to help or for the benefit of another human being. That which is wrong initially can stem from genuine good intention; only that it is lacking either in Love or Justice. That which is evil was born totally out of bad intention and was never meant for any good. All that is wrong will in time, if not corrected, become evil, give rise to evil or make its participants evil; because overtime the individual who is doing wrong is shown, either through the reciprocal effect resulting from the laws of creation or through some other means, that what he is doing is wrong. If afterwards, he continues, he becomes evil! However, at the very beginning that which is wrong can possess certain, although dimmed purity, if done with good intention. Where there is learning, schools like in the world of matter, wrong actions are speculated to probably arise from the students as the students are still learning. However, evil is totally not expected and should not arise at all. Evil is totally inexcusable! It is related to the concept of wickedness. Evil has it’s origin in mankind. Lucifer himself has the greatest contempt for evil men; hence he sees them as deserving nothing but complete destruction. However, these evil men are victims of his principle.

Thanks and remain blessed.

My friend, stop writing what you don't know!

The Author of The Grail Message referred to Lucifer as "Antichrist"! The only "real enemy" of GOD!

Hope you know what it is to try to "oppose" THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR?!

So stop writing "nonsense" based on what your "deficient intellect" tells you on this your yeye thread!

Let everyone read THE GRAIL MESSAGE where THE TRUTH ITSELF can be found! Not all this your "unneccesary explanations" you and your cohorts come here to give!

Cheers!

kadas01:
My friend, stop writing what you don't know!

The Author of The Grail Message referred to Lucifer as "Antichrist"! The only "real enemy" of GOD!

Hope you know what it is to try to "oppose" THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR?!

So stop writing "nonsense" based on what your "deficient intellect" tells you on this your yeye thread!

Let everyone read THE GRAIL MESSAGE where THE TRUTH ITSELF can be found! Not all this your "unneccesary explanations" you and your cohorts come here to give!

Cheers!

@kadas01

Thank you.

I wish you peace and blessings.

justcool:


@kadas01

Thank you.

I wish you peace and blessings.

"There is nothing unjust in the principle of temptation; it swings in justice, but lacks love and hence it is wrong."

Just take a look at what you wrote above!

That Lucifer developed a "volition" of his own which went "contrary" to The Will of THE CREATOR earned him an "expulsion" from The Divine Realm!

My friend, you better wake up from your "slumber"!

Excerpt below from the lecture - "the mystery of Lucifer" as written by THE AUTHOR of The Grail Message-

"The principle of temptation, however, is identical with the setting of snares which cause creatures who are not sufficiently strong within themselves quickly to stumble, fall and become lost, whereas others, it is true, grow stronger and more alert so as to blossom forth powerfully towards spiritual heights. But all that is weak is irrevocably abandoned to destruction from the start. This principle knows of no goodness, no compassion; it is wanting in the love of God the Father, and therewith also in the mightiest power to ascend and in the strongest support available." - Abd-ru-shin

Tobakunn:
@Justcool,

Man should give thanks to the Almighty for everyone and everything he comes into contact with, all his experiences but my heart won't feel at rest if I do not express my gratitude to you.

Therefore, I thank and glorify the Lord for granting you such insights and I also thank you for taking the time to share them with us. What you wrote up there is invaluable indeed and it provided me with what I needed to hear in the way I needed to hear it. It is something that will be read over and over whenever I require guidance on the issue. Thanks once again.

If I may ask, knowing that you will understand this question of mine better than I can clothe it in words, how do you handle it all? What you see everyday, what you hear on the news? Understand me please, I mean, how do you cope with all you see? All the wrong around you? The actions of our fellow men? We shouldn't judge in line with the words of Jesus Christ which says 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'; for most of us, even though we are trying, are no better ourselves but we are still able to recognise what is wrong. What do you do then? Correct he who is wrong? But he won't listen, it is my recognition, not his; why should he put any stock to my words?

The thing is I had a conversation with someone today and it ended up drifting to where many of the problems in my immediate environment were discussed, things which fill me with sadness daily. But during the conversation, I thought to myself that what is the point of seeing it if I can't do anything about it? What good is it to my fellow men if I can't use all I've been allowed to know to help them, all the while knowing that they need help?

I don't know if it's an infantile question and I may snap out of it after some time but I just really need to put it out here right now. If any of your precious insights, those insights that gleam colourfully under the Light of the Truth, can help in any way, I will be really grateful to you.

If anyone has anything to say concerning this, it would also be appreciated.


Wishing everyone here all that is noble and true.

@ Tobakunn

Thanks for your questions. They are not infantile; hence I will share my perceptions.

As you already know, we are in the end times and so many people are going through judgment. The rays of light have enveloped the earth, indeed every individual, forcing everything to reveal or judge itself. Hence, the earth today is like a farm that has been enriched with fertilizer, with makes everything to grow fast and bear fruit; both the good and the bad, both the delicious and poisonous plants, all must bear fruit and thereby reveal its kind. The resultant is the earth as we have it today, where we see men of evil volition as has never been seen before and also those of good volition.

Imagine the aforementioned farm where every plant grows fast and bears fruit due to added nutrition; a child who does not know about farming, on seeing such a situation, may get depressed since he observes even the unwanted, poisonous and useless plants growing fast along with good ones. However, a knowing one knows that in this lies a great blessing because in bearing fruits, the plants reveal what they are to the farmer or gardener, who will then uproot the unwanted and useless ones. Hence today and as judgment progresses evil will reveal itself more and more; it cannot longer hide in darkness or appear like the good plants thereby making it more difficult for the gardener to decided whether to uproot it or not; it must bear fruit. And by their fruits you shall know them! Before, people can harbor evil in their hearts and pretend to be good on the outside; today and as times progressing, it is becoming more impossible. Hence we see people openly and unashamedly doing evil. This situation may be depressing to some, but to one who knows the laws of creation it indeed shows the nearness of the approaching era of peace, when all the weed must have been sifted out of the farm.

It is unfortunate that the evil and poisonous plants mainly attack the good ones, but one should not despair on this account. Indeed today, it appears as if people of good volition are targets for mockery, scourge, attacks etc. But one should not allow oneself to be pulled down to the level of the verminous ones who know nothing other than to shout “Crucify Him!” You must never allow yourself to degenerate to hating others, or holding malice against others no matter what they put you through, otherwise you will be counted among them. One must try and bear everything calmly, assured that the power of God reigns supreme in the end.

I used to be angry about certain things that I see around me and some things that people have put me through. Then I realized that that which makes one angry about his neighbor is also inside oneself too. Christ taught us this, when He said, as reported in Gospel, “How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye?” From then on, whenever I see something, be it the actions of my fellow human beings, that get me upset, I ask myself, “what weed inside resonates with this action?” Because anger towards anything is a kind of resonance towards that thing, it betrays certain homogeneity towards that thing; if I have no such faults, then they will not make enough impression on me as to make me angry; they will not disturb my peace even when they are directed at me. This is why Jesus and the son of man were able to remain calm and unaffected in the face of the venomous crowd that was throwing all sorts of false accusations in their path. And when you succeed in weeding out such faults in you, you will observe that you do not get angry anymore when you see others exhibiting such faults. Even when it’s directed at you, you will still hold your peace.

I used to be filled with sadness and despair about so many things, till I realize that even sadness and despair will lead one to darkness if care it not taken. This is a period for firm trust in God, and this always results in certain in peace and joy irrespective of the material situation around you.

You do not have to feel sad or depressed about the situation of the world or about people going astray. Just work on yourself and calmly let others follow their chosen path. This is not passivity, as it may sound to some. Indeed it is the most decisive thing to do. By learning from their mistakes and making sure you don’t have such faults you in, you have given them the greatest help a human being can give without saying a word to them. I have already mentioned this in this thread. As you work on yourself, you draw more light to your environment, making light available to those still struggling with darkness. This is how you help them, without knowing it and without them knowing. You need not go about preaching to people to become good or draw nearer to God; indeed you need not say a single word to your neighbor. This does not mean that you should keep quite when approached with questions. When approached with questions, always unapologetically state the absolute Truth; but calmly allow others to accept or reject it without being upset with them.

I wish you strength.

Thanks and remain blessed.

kadas01:
"There is nothing unjust in the principle of temptation; it swings in justice, but lacks love and hence it is wrong."
Just take a look at what you wrote above!
That Lucifer developed a "volition" of his own which went "contrary" to The Will of THE CREATOR earned him an "expulsion" from The Divine Realm!
My friend, you better wake up from your "slumber"!
Excerpt below from the lecture - "the mystery of Lucifer" as written by THE AUTHOR of The Grail Message-
"The principle of temptation, however, is identical with the setting of snares which cause creatures who are not sufficiently strong within themselves quickly to stumble, fall and become lost, whereas others, it is true, grow stronger and more alert so as to blossom forth powerfully towards spiritual heights. But all that is weak is irrevocably abandoned to destruction from the start. This principle knows of no goodness, no compassion; it is wanting in the love of God the Father, and therewith also in the mightiest power to ascend and in the strongest support available." - Abd-ru-shin

You can share your perceptions next to mine as you have done. Then let each take what resonates within him.

There is no need for quarreling, name calling, or acting erratic.

The Truth speaks for itself.

I wish you peace.

To Mr kadas01
i ve been reading and learning a lot from this thread. Today I decided to join after reading your post. I have to say this to you. this thread is peacful, please dont bring quarrels here. if you disagree, you can say so and back your claims without insulting anybody. Why are you calling justcool's post nonsense and calling him deficient intellect? have you even read the Grail message?
I agree with what justcool wrote and he backed it up with a quote from the Grail message. The Grail message said,

"Nor should one call the principle he employs the evil principle, but the wrong principle; wrong in the sense of incorrect, not unjust." http://www.abdrushin.us/in-the-light-of-truth/grail-message-by-abdrushin-045.php

It said clearly that the principle is not unjust. Can you show me where it said that the principle is unjust? I have read that chapter many times, it says that the principle of tempatation is loveless but not unjust.
please understand an issue before you start bickering and insulting people. Anyway im sure you are not even a crossbearer, you are here to create confusion about what you dont understand.

kadas01:
My friend, stop writing what you don't know!

The Author of The Grail Message referred to Lucifer as "Antichrist"! The only "real enemy" of GOD!

Hope you know what it is to try to "oppose" THE ALMIGHTY CREATOR?!

So stop writing "nonsense" based on what your "deficient intellect" tells you on this your yeye thread!

Let everyone read THE GRAIL MESSAGE where THE TRUTH ITSELF can be found! Not all this your "unneccesary explanations" you and your cohorts come here to give!

Cheers!

justjoinedtoday:


To Mr kadas01
i ve been reading and learning a lot from this thread. Today I decided to join after reading your post. I have to say this to you. this thread is peacful, please dont bring quarrels here. if you disagree, you can say so and back your claims without insulting anybody. Why are you calling justcool's post nonsense and calling him deficient intellect? have you even read the Grail message?
I agree with what justcool wrote and he backed it up with a quote from the Grail message. The Grail message said,

"Nor should one call the principle he employs the evil principle, but the wrong principle; wrong in the sense of incorrect, not unjust." http://www.abdrushin.us/in-the-light-of-truth/grail-message-by-abdrushin-045.php

It said clearly that the principle is not unjust. Can you show me where it said that the principle is unjust? I have read that chapter many times, it says that the principle of tempatation is loveless but not unjust.
please understand an issue before you start bickering and insulting people. Anyway im sure you are not even a crossbearer, you are here to create confusion about what you dont understand.

I pity you! Honestly, I do!

Please, do not quote my mention again!

Thank you!

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justcool:

@ Tobakunn

Thanks for your questions. They are not infantile; hence I will share my perceptions.
As you already know, we are in the end times and so many people are going through judgment. The rays of light have enveloped the earth, indeed every individual, forcing everything to reveal or judge itself. Hence, the earth today is like a farm that has been enriched with fertilizer, with makes everything to grow fast and bear fruit; both the good and the bad, both the delicious and poisonous plants, all must bear fruit and thereby reveal its kind. The resultant is the earth as we have it today, where we see men of evil volition as has never been seen before and also those of good volition.
Imagine the aforementioned farm where every plant grows fast and bears fruit due to added nutrition; a child who does not know about farming, on seeing such a situation, may get depressed since he observes even the unwanted, poisonous and useless plants growing fast along with good ones. However, a knowing one knows that in this lies a great blessing because in bearing fruits, the plants reveal what they are to the farmer or gardener, who will then uproot the unwanted and useless ones. Hence today and as judgment progresses evil will reveal itself more and more; it cannot longer hide in darkness or appear like the good plants thereby making it more difficult for the gardener to decided whether to uproot it or not; it must bear fruit. And by their fruits you shall know them! Before, people can harbor evil in their hearts and pretend to be good on the outside; today and as times progressing, it is becoming more impossible. Hence we see people openly and unashamedly doing evil. This situation may be depressing to some, but to one who knows the laws of creation it indeed shows the nearness of the approaching era of peace, when all the weed must have been sifted out of the farm.
It is unfortunate that the evil and poisonous plants mainly attack the good ones, but one should not despair on this account. Indeed today, it appears as if people of good volition are targets for mockery, scourge, attacks etc. But one should not allow oneself to be pulled down to the level of the verminous ones who know nothing other than to shout “Crucify Him!” You must never allow yourself to degenerate to hating others, or holding malice against others no matter what they put you through, otherwise you will be counted among them. One must try and bear everything calmly, assured that the power of God reigns supreme in the end.
I used to be angry about certain things that I see around me and some things that people have put me through. Then I realized that that which makes one angry about his neighbor is also inside oneself too. Christ taught us this, when He said, as reported in Gospel, “How can you say to your brother, 'Brother, let me take the speck out of your eye,' when you yourself fail to see the plank in your own eye?” From then on, whenever I see something, be it the actions of my fellow human beings, that get me upset, I ask myself, “what weed inside resonates with this action?” Because anger towards anything is a kind of resonance towards that thing, it betrays certain homogeneity towards that thing; if I have no such faults, then they will not make enough impression on me as to make me angry; they will not disturb my peace even when they are directed at me. This is why Jesus and the son of man were able to remain calm and unaffected in the face of the venomous crowd that was throwing all sorts of false accusations in their path. And when you succeed in weeding out such faults in you, you will observe that you do not get angry anymore when you see others exhibiting such faults. Even when it’s directed at you, you will still hold your peace.
I used to be filled with sadness and despair about so many things, till I realize that even sadness and despair will lead one to darkness if care it not taken. This is a period for firm trust in God, and this always results in certain in peace and joy irrespective of the material situation around you.
You do not have to feel sad or depressed about the situation of the world or about people going astray. Just work on yourself and calmly let others follow their chosen path. This is not passivity, as it may sound to some. Indeed it is the most decisive thing to do. By learning from their mistakes and making sure you don’t have such faults you in, you have given them the greatest help a human being can give without saying a word to them. I have already mentioned this in this thread. As you work on yourself, you draw more light to your environment, making light available to those still struggling with darkness. This is how you help them, without knowing it and without them knowing. You need not go about preaching to people to become good or draw nearer to God; indeed you need not say a single word to your neighbor. This does not mean that you should keep quite when approached with questions. When approached with questions, always unapologetically state the absolute Truth; but calmly allow others to accept or reject it without being upset with them.
I wish you strength.
Thanks and remain blessed.

I very much appreciate the above post. Thanks and regards to Justcool

Anna7:
I very much appreciate the above post. Thanks and regards to Justcool

My thoughts exactly. Thank you Justcool, it really helps!

kadas01:
I pity you! Honestly, I do!

Please, do not quote my mention again!

Thank you!

I wander what could attract ignorant hooligans to this peaceful thread.

When an idler steals a phone and have access to the internet, he thinks he can thrust himself in any thread and start writing rubbish!

My friend, don't you see the threads for weed smokers and join them, instead of coming here to distract serious seekers

If jealousy must arise in you, why would you not direct it towards those who are homogeneous with you instead of to justcool.

Hundreds of people have been silently following this thread and gaining insights which help them in this walk of life and in their spiritual maturing. And you now allowed the darkness to lash you into this thread to vomit your venom here so as to derail this peaceful and enlightening thread. you CANNOT succeed!

What is JUST cannot be lacking in Love. A teacher whose principle of teaching does not give equal and fair opportunity to his students to learn deserve to be expelled by a just and loving Principal because he is unjust. This I guess is what Kadas is trying to say.

Lets not call Kadas names pls for he has a point only that he went about it the wrong way. Kadas, pls dont engage in war of words, let it be. Justcool is also looking at it from another perspective hence the reason for his statement. Deeply he felt all spirits should be at the same level of development and as such, d fault should be with the spirits not the principle. That some spirits could pass shows the neutrality of the principle hence the subtle conclusion that it cant be totally unjust even though it is lacking in love. He also has a point.

All the same, let us hold on to that which is most important ; doing the Will of the Almighty.

I wish us all the grace to do so. PEACE!

kingviny:
Justcool is also looking at it from another perspective hence the reason for his statement. Deeply he felt all spirits should be at the same level of development and as such, d fault should be with the spirits not the principle. That some spirits could pass shows the neutrality of the principle hence the subtle conclusion that it cant be totally unjust even though it is lacking in love. He also has a point.
All the same, let us hold on to that which is most important ; doing the Will of the Almighty.
I wish us all the grace to do so. PEACE!

Please do not ascribe words or meanings that I never intended to me. My post is still there, unchanged for all to read. And please read my post before you attribute things to me. I never said the principle of temptation is neutral!!!! I maintained, as the Grail message does, that the principle of temptation is wrong but not evil. It lacks love but not unjust.

I never stated that all spirits should be at the same level of development. I don't know where you got that from, it's definitely not from my post.

If one cannot understand the difference between that which is evil and wrong, then thats the persons problem and not mine. If one does not understand how an action can be just yet lacking in love then that's the persons problem and not mine. The person can disagree with me, reject my perception, not throw insults at me or ascribe words that I never said to me.

We cannot all have the same perception because we're all at different levels of spiritual maturity; hence anybody that doesn't understand me should fell free to reject my perceptions.

The Grail message maintains that the principle of temptation is loveless but not unjust. That the principle is wrong not evil. These are not ideas that I invented.

Thanks and remain blessed.

@justcool, that which you offered in the way of explanations is completely clear to many. And your way of explanations completely gives room to all to think deeply for themselves. So far you have only presented your perception without sounding arrogant or being the only one with the absolute correct perception. You give room to others for further examination. I have learnt that from from you. Many presents their perception as the absolutely truth without realising it is the surest proof of incomplete knowledge. If only we can realize at each step of the way, it is only our perception at the time which could change in the nearest future many a disagreement would be avoided. I agree with your perception, they have always been my perception too. Many a time in my day to day family life, I do things which is totally just without but which I later realize it lacks love, and I say to myself, hmmm, this is the crime of Lucifer oh! The clarity of your explanations is unmatched so far on this platform(my perception). Thanks for that.

justcool:


Please do not ascribe words or meanings that I never intended to me. My post is still there, unchanged for all to read. And please read my post before you attribute things to me. I never said the principle of temptation is neutral!!!! I maintained, as the Grail message does, that the principle of temptation is wrong but not evil. It lacks love but not unjust.

I never stated that all spirits should be at the same level of development. I don't know where you got that from, it's definitely not from my post.

If one cannot understand the difference between that which is evil and wrong, then thats the persons problem and not mine. If one does not understand how an action can be just yet lacking in love then that's the persons problem and not mine. The person can disagree with me, reject my perception, not throw insults at me or ascribe words that I never said to me.

We cannot all have the same perception because we're all at different levels of spiritual maturity; hence anybody that doesn't understand me should fell free to reject my perceptions.

The Grail message maintains that the principle of temptation is loveless but not unjust. That the principle is wrong not evil. These are not ideas that I invented.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Salut all,

Agree with Marverick009.

Thank you Justcool for all your time. Really very much appreciate that as a family man you take time out to voluntarily respond to queries (in detail!!) and share of your knowledge/perceptions at your level of consciousness. Whatever level it may be in the grand scheme of things, it is certainly higher than mine and one has gained from it.
Progress to you and yours...........................and all else who partake of this forum whether they agree or not.

A laminar-flow of Light-radiations to all

@ Speer

Thanks for your questions. Here are my perceptions. I will break my reply in sections; here is the first part.

Speer:


First inquiry:

Had please wanted to ask and clarify/confirm a point-----that we have a plane/sphere of medium gross matter and one of fine gross matter in the "downwards/darker/lower" direction that have been created or come into existence thru the darker and base volitions/actions of mankind.
For some time one had been angling with the impression that all the lower/dark planes/spheres were only ethereal in nature.

It is my perception that not all the lower/dark planes are ethereal. Our thoughts, words and emotions do not take ethereal forms; they are gross material although not physical. Thoughts belong to fine gross matter, words and emotions belong to medium gross matter or astral.

Of course, based on the law of attraction of homogenous species, bad or evil thoughts will not be grouped together with good or righteous thoughts. Hence in the sphere of fine gross matter, good thoughts accumulate in the uppermost height, forming a plane of homogeneous goodness; while evil thoughts sink lower and accumulate, forming a plane of corresponding evil.

The same is applicable to medium gross matter (astral) where our words, emotions and imaginations operate. Hence there are luminous planes of the Astral, as well as there are nether regions/power centers/planes of Astral or medium gross matter.

Thoughts which emanate from our brains, as well as our words and emotions, take on forms in the planes of fine and medium, respectively. Forms that correspond to the nature of thoughts, words or emotions that gave rise to them; and hence they could be either heavy or light. These forms are called phantoms, as opposed to ethereal forms which are born from the intuitive perception of the spirit which makes use of Spiritual Principal neutral power. Hence forms of intuitive perceptions which accumulate in the ethereal planes are far stronger than phantoms because they (forms of intuition) bear life within them. These are called either demons or entities, depending on their nature. Being from the spiritual intuition, they can gain connection all the way to the Spiritual realm, if they are pure.

The beyond, can be imagined like an atmosphere, which surrounds the earth in all directions. The atmosphere has many levels/ layers, just as the beyond has many layers: Medium gross matter, Fine gross matter, Coarse Ethereal, Medium Ethereal, and Fine Ethereal. The attached picture below gives a good impression of the idea

Now Observe the attached picture of the earth’s atmosphere, and imagine the world of matter as this picture. The innermost circle represents the physical (Coarsest gross matter.) The Troposphere represents the Astral (medium gross matter); while the Stratosphere represents Fine gross matter. The mesosphere represents the Ethereal. Each sphere/layer or ring surrounds the center in both upwards and downwards direction. In this picture, you can easily observe how the atmosphere surrounds the center (Inner most circle) in both upwards and downwards direction.

Speer:

2nd inquiry:

The medium and fine gross matter planes (in either direction)------are they also subdivided into seven sub-stages/sub-planes?

Any vice that man has accumulates and forms a power center or plane in the beyond. Since the entire creation swings in number seven, this number can also be observed here. Man already perceived that there are seven major vices, seven major or deadly sins as the churches teach. Every sin belongs to one of these seven deadly sins. Hence we can say that there are seven major power centers or planes in each of these spheres. Thoughts of lust accumulate in the plane or power center of lust in theses lower planes; while thoughts of hate accumulate in the power center or plane of hate. Thoughts of envy accumulate in the power center or plane of envy.

Everything that a man wishes for his neighbor takes on form in the beyond and awaits him, the man who wished it either through thoughts, words, or deeds. These forms based on the attraction of homogeneous species attract other forms of similar nature, accumulate and form a planes in the beyond; planes corresponding to their weight. Since the originators are attached to these forms, they (the originators) will be drawn to these planes of the beyond if the pass on (or exit the physical plane) without having already cut this connection through the redemption that comes from genuine repentance.

Hence, it is not wrong to say that there are seven major power centers of sin, seven parts of hell or etc. However, one must keep in mind that even within each plane or center which are predominantly of the same homogeny, there are also varying homogeneity. Hence within each plane or center, there are countless smaller communities, towns or countries or whatever one wishes to call them. Just as on earth, within each continent there are many tribes/nations, and within each nation there are many towns, etc. Just as among all thieves, there are differences: There are those that still out of need, those that steal out of habit, those that steal out of laziness, etc. Each on passing on will be grouped among those exactly like him. Hence, even though they will all find themselves in the plane of thieves, they will each be in different community.

Speer:


3rd inquiry:

This relates to the chapters Departed this Life (Vol. 2) and In the Land of Twilight (Vol. 3) of the Message. In them, what I believe to be the first and second planes/spheres of the ethereal realm are talked about----The Land of Shadows and The Land of Twilight.
From the book by Franchezzo (that you have not read), a further two of the spheres (in ascending order) are named----The Land of Dawn and The Morning Land.

Had please wanted to ask if you could share whatever knowledge you have of the seven ethereal spheres (whatever you feel is appropriate enough to share).

First, it will be erroneous to consider the situations described in ‘Departed this Life’ and ‘In the Land of Twilight’ as the first and second planes of the ethereal respectively. These lectures describe the situation that a soul encounters in the ethereal realm due to the wrong views held by the soul while on earth. They do not describe planes of the ethereal world as they are created or issued from the Will of the Creator; rather they describe how immature human spirits (those clinging to wrong views) experience of the Ethereal.

First, let’s deal with ‘Departed this life.’ This man is not evil and hence did not sink into the dark planes of the beyond. Here again we encounter the concept of wrong but not evil. While being evil will drive one into the nether planes and ultimately lead to destruction; holding wrong views, while not being evil, will not necessary plunge one into the nether planes, however every spirit must rid itself of all wrong views before he/she can ascend or enter into the Kingdom of God.
The man described there was actually a good man; however the wrong view he held was that there was no life after death. His lack of belief of the beyond prevented or blocked the usage of his ethereal body, and based on the law of creation that which is not used becomes weaker and weaker and in time will be lost altogether. Consequently his ethereal cloaks, the unused instrument, through which he can experience the beyond or life after death, became inactive. His ethereal eyes became blind, ears became dumb, etc. Hence when he passed on into the ethereal realm, he found himself in darkness, where he could not even hear his own voice because he was dumb.

But in reality, he was in a bright plane! But he is unable to see due to the consequences of his wrong view, as I already explained. He may have even have been surrounded by helpers, but he could neither see nor hear them because of the gulf he imposed upon himself. He will remain in this condition until experiences teach him that life continues after death and that consequently with death he has not ceased to exist. This is tantamount to making use of his ethereal body and gradually due to usage and based on the law of motion, he will gradually begin to see and hear. The light he saw in a distant place was actually there with him all the while; and the voices he may start to hear faintly have always been there; the light may be very bright and the voices loud, however he perceives only as much as his weakened or inactive ethereal body allows him.

The faith of an evil person is different. The evil person who believes in the beyond or life after death will see in the beyond; but he will find himself in a dark and foul region of the beyond. Hence even though his ethereal eyes are active, he may actually be in an environment where there is no light, depending on the nature off his evil volition. He will definitely suffer more than the man described in ‘Departed this life.’ Remember my description of the fate of the suicide bomber. Also read the lecture, ‘In the realm of Demons and phantoms.’

The description given in ‘In the land of Twilight’ is that of the experiences of those who also are not evil. The ones believe in the beyond and life after death, however they carried over some erroneous views. These maybe extremely good Christians, Muslims, etc. Wrong views such as the view that Jesus has paid for their sins or was sacrificed for their sins is enough to erect a wall in the beyond baring their ascent. Hence the wall that barred them from the resort glow is actually a living form of their wrong views. These views can be described as being wrong, but not evil. As an aside not, consider the notion or view that God sent His son to pay or our sins. This view obviously portrays a loving God; however there is no justice in it because Justice would not allow an innocent person to pay for the sins of another. They perceive the love of God but not His justice. A loving but unjust God! This view is wrong because God’s love, real love lies only in justice and God’s Justice lies only in Love and Purity. With God, these three should not and can never be separated. With such wrong conception of God and His love, one is bared in the beyond, no matter how good he may be, until he realizes that his views are wrong and consequently discards them. Hence the people described in ‘In the Land of Twilight,’ are not evil, the fate of the evil ones are much worse.

However, these two conditions or situations (both the situation described in Departed this life and In the land of twilight) need not exist. Both situations arise out of man’s wrong doing, not out of the Will of God. God wills and created planes of bright light and beauty for His creatures, both here and the beyond. Hence one should not view these descriptions are description of the Ethereal planes as God created them; rather they describe situations that arise as a result of man’s wrong views.

A thorough understanding of those descriptions will afford one of the knowledge that the soul sees its environment according to its nature. An undeveloped soul, or a soul with a weak ethereal body, may see a very bright plane as twilight or even dark; while a bright soul will see brightness and beauty in the same plane. If we obverse the process of see or perception, we nothing that we perceive only based on our nature and only as much as our maturity allows us.

Imagine two people, a man and Jesus, walking through a garden. The man being immature sees very little beauty in the garden. As he walks through he is preoccupied with earthly thoughts: how to make money to pay rent, how bad his neighbor treated him, etc. He easily observes how dusty the garden is, how hot the sun’s rays feels on his skin. Indeed he is filled with misery. Jesus on the other hand, filled with Divine peace and inner composure, easily observes the peaceful serenity of the Park. He can enjoy the song of the birds because they resonate the pure melody He carried inside Him; they remind Him of the melody in His father’s kingdom. Every flower smiles at Him and fill Him with joy because they remind Him of the glorious flowers in His Divine Kingdom. Here we see two people walking through the same park, yet having different experiencing o it.

This is applicable, even more so, in the beyond! We see only what we want to see or what corresponds to our level of maturity. In the process of perceiving, it is that disturbances or interactions between our radiation and our environment, that is retroactively returned to our organs of perception. Hence in reality we see only in the Light of our radiations which, in turn are very dependent on our inner maturity. This is why a child or a childlike person can draw far more joy from a simple toy than an adult who is crippled with excessive intellectual activity.


The reason why I’m explaining this process of perception is for you to see the futility of reading another person’s description of the beyond! At best such descriptions can help or be understood by spirits of the same nature or homogeneity. Even at our highest level of maturity, we see based on our nature, our kind or homogeneity. Hence all creatures see subjectively, and can never really see reality exactly as it is in all its ramifications. Hence only the Divine unsubstantiate, (Like Jesus and Imanuel) can reflect the Truth the way it really is and in a way that any creature of any homogeny, kind or nature can relate to it. Only them, radiate the cross of equal length without any limitation. The human spirit at best can radiate the cross within a circle! This circle surrounding the Cross implies a limitation, to which all creatures a subject to; and to which only the unsubtantiate Divinity stands above! Hence it will be very erroneous to consider ‘The Land of Dawn and The Morning Land’ or any other person’s description of the beyond as an extension of Abd-ru-shin’s explanation. To me it is even sacrilege to put such next to the Grail Message or on the same level with it.

In relation to the entire existence, we human spirits are less than ants in relation to the earth! Imagine an ant in Nigeria describing life on earth to you! The entire existence and perceptive ability of this ant is not even able to comprehend one thousandth of the smallest village on earth. And based on the subjectivity of perception that I explained, Imagine a curious person who has read that there are seven spiritual planes, out of vanity he keeps imagining these planes filled with the ambition of visiting them one day. In the process he, and others like him create with their imagination which has taken on form, fake spiritual planes in medium gross matter. When he enters the beyond, though astral travel or death, he is drawn to these planes he created. There he will meet fake beings which he thinks are real spiritual beings. He may even meet “Jesus,” of course the one he created out his own imagination. When he returns to his physical body, he will write a book claiming that he has visited all the spiritual planes and have even shaken hands with Jesus. He does not know that in reality, he has not even seen one millionth path of the astral plane. He was only wallowing in the smallest part of the astral plane.

However, some people who have kept themselves away from vain curiosity, who out of genuine longing have been allowed to see the ethereal while on earth, do not go about boosting of their experiences. They rather learn the lessons from the visions and in their humility often keep quiet about it. They only offer it when it will help the spiritual growth of their neighbor. And this is why I will not share or describe my experiences in the beyond. I can share lessons learnt from such experiences; and this is what I'm doing. However, to tell stories of what I heard or saw, will not help us here. They will only arouse unhealthy curiosity and fascination, and will end up confusing many. They are very personal and will not benefit you.

@justcool, as always, your explanations by way of examples bring total clarity to me on things that were vague. Indeed, I am most lucky to be on this thread. However, I would like you to share your perception on the seven universes using the diagram above. It's something I have received different perceptions from different crossbearers . Please do share your perception on it. Thank you.

@ Speer and Marverick09

Please I ask that you guys bear with and give me little time. At the moment my days are filled with activities, joyful activities; I do not have a minute to spear.


I've been blessed with a baby boy, and you know this is a full time job. Assisting his mom in feeding him, changing diapers and sometimes staying awake most of the night is extremely joyful, but time consuming. It's also very rewarding! But he rewards us with a smile! Have you ever seen an infant smile? Believe me there is nothing more beautiful!!!!


We couldn't be happier and relieved as his mother was in the hospital for a week before his birth. I actually wrote my last reply to Speer in the hospital.

I have a lot more to say to you two, but pardon me I will return when my new boos(my infant son) allows me.

While I'm away, anybody who feels prompted to offer perception on any questions should fell free to do so. This thread does not belong to me alone.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Justcool

Congratulations! May God bless you and your son with good health wealth and joy to fulfill your ambitions! Our very best wishes are with you!

Congratulations @justcool. Indeed, it's an experience I am yet to have. Stay blessed.

justcool:
@ Speer and Marverick09

Please I ask that you guys bear with and give me little time. At the moment my days are filled with activities, joyful activities; I do not have a minute to spear.


I've been blessed with a baby boy, and you know this is a full time job. Assisting his mom in feeding him, changing diapers and sometimes staying awake most of the night is extremely joyful, but time consuming. It's also very rewarding! But he rewards us with a smile! Have you ever seen an infant smile? Believe me there is nothing more beautiful!!!!


We couldn't be happier and relieved as his mother was in the hospital for a week before his birth. I actually wrote my last reply to Speer in the hospital.

I have a lot more to say to you two, but pardon me I will return when my new boos(my infant son) allows me.

While I'm away, anybody who feels prompted to offer perception on any questions should fell free to do so. This thread does not belong to me alone.

Thanks and remain blessed.

Fantastic news! Congratulations Justcool. May the path of your baby be radiant and beautiful!! Stay blessed.

mnwankwo:


Fantastic news! Congratulations Justcool. May the path of your baby be radiant and beautiful!! Stay blessed.

Hello Mnwankwo. what a pleasure to read from you! Where have you been? How are you doing?

Dear Justcool, I have been following your posts for years now but just signed on as a nairalander.

Congratulations on the birth of your son, and may God grant you strength and wisdom for you to guide your son in the same loving and patient manner so you have done on nairaland.

as you have done on nairaland

Anna7:
Justcool
Congratulations! May God bless you and your son with good health wealth and joy to fulfill your ambitions! Our very best wishes are with you!

Hi Anna,
Amen! Thanks for your kind wishes. My warmest regards!

mnwankwo:

Fantastic news! Congratulations Justcool. May the path of your baby be radiant and beautiful!! Stay blessed.

Thanks a lot mnwankwo, for your good volition. A big Amen to your prayer for my son. Remain blessed.

8letters:
Dear Justcool, I have been following your posts for years now but just signed on as a nairalander.
Congratulations on the birth of your son, and may God grant you strength and wisdom for you to guide your son in the same loving and patient manner so you have done on nairaland.

Amen! Thanks so much! I'm really touched by your kind words.



@All I was deeply touched by your prayers and good wishes, hence I decide to log in and thank you all. Like I said earlier, I will return as soon as my new boss allows me. I'm filled with joy and gratitude for being allowed to give a physical body to the baby and also for being allowed to take care for him. He is bubbling, getting stronger everyday.