daretodiffer:
1) What does Islam have to do with wearing short sleeves?
2) I disagree with your second submission. You can't prove it.
3) Don't ever call it barbaric. If you don't like it, say so but you have no fvcking right to demean it
4) You are the type that gets things upside down, please do not quote me again

I'm surprised you don't get the short-sleeved part.
Well it's a human that have become an amputee with a short-sleeved looking limb remaining.
Well, to be honest I don't like it. What they practice is not justice. Let's leave sentiments aside, what positive impact would Sharia Law have in our economy, I am not being biased but the answer is none.
I do apologise if my views offends your beliefs.
You may support it, I may not. What remain a fact is that their system of justice is a crime against humanity. This is just my point of view. I may be wrong, probably the victims were compensated very well.

daretodiffer:
1) Youe mentioned how it would encourage islamisation which you called a stealth form of islamisation. I was merely disagreeing with you on that.
2)I don't but I don't think it is so different from US states where a state law clearly contravenes a federal law on the basis of religious convcition and norms but still enforceable. I think that situation is worse than the situation in this instance. Regardless, I don't see why it should matter a Muslim is expected to live his/her life according to Sharia and it is up to these Muslims to reject it. If they can't come together to speak up, why should I worry such about it

First ,once again the constitution is the supreme law of the country and that is why any constitutional change is no small matter.

So constitutional issues have no comparison with the Federal /State dichotomy that you cite. Indeed where there is a disagreement it is the constitution that becomes the final arbiter.

Kindly give an example of these US laws you are talking about.

The real issue here is this . In southern Nigeria adultery is not a criminal matter it is under sharia law so what happens to a Christian in Kano when he steals from a Muslim or sleeps with a Muslim's wife. What happens when another Yunusa /Ese saga happens and he pleads the protection of Sharia or demands a trial under Sharia.
There is no where in the US where you have one law for Catholics and another for Mormons
Even if there is a difference between Fed/state it will apply to ALL PERSONS EQUALLY
Under our constitution people are allowed freedom of religion but under sharia a Muslim ho changes faith can be killed. By definition therefore a Christian trying to convert him is committing a crime

mmsen:


Malaysia, where you have Islamic police harassing people in hotels who they think are Muslims committing 'fornication'.

Peculiar problem then?

omonnakoda:

First ,once again the constitution is the supreme law of the country and that is why any constitutional change is no small matter.

So constitutional issues have no comparison with the Federal /State dichotomy that you cite. Indeed where there is a disagreement it is the constitution that becomes the final arbiter.

Kindly give an example of these US laws you are talking about.

The real issue here is this . In southern Nigeria adultery is not a criminal matter it is under sharia law so what happens to a Christian in Kano when he steals from a Muslim or sleeps with a Muslim's wife. What happens when another Yunusa /Ese saga happens and he pleads the protection of Sharia or demands a trial under Sharia.
There is no where in the US where you have one law for Catholics and another for Mormons
Even if there is a difference between Fed/state it will apply to ALL PERSONS EQUALLY

As simple as that! And that's the only thing that would make Nigeria a safe and prosperous country, nothing else ever will!

I also hope our northern politicians too will be tried under sharia law and not just the common Muslim on the street

SnowJay92:


Peculiar problem then?

It does seem to be peculiar to Islamic societies, if that is what you are asking.

Nigeria is a secular country,why must there be a sharia law at the first place

Here is your problem, if you understood how amputation to theft works you complain. A poor person is allowed to take something that does not belong to him, things like food provided he takes what he needs and what he can finish at that moment in time. He won't go to jail neither would he be amputated because of it.


2) Can we stop being hypocritical? You don't give a shit about humanity. Sharia does not support killing an innocent being but it does support killing a murderer. And that is not against humanity. It can never be.

Feshizzy:

I'm surprised you don't get the short-sleeved part.
Well it's a human that have become an amputee what a short-sleeved limb remaining.
Well, to be honest I don't like it. What they practice is not justice. Let's leave sentiments aside, what positive impact would Sharia Law have in our economy, I am not being biased but the answer is none.
You may support it, I may not. What remain a fact is that their system of justice is a crime against humanity. This is just my point of view. I may be wrong, probably the victims were compensated very well.

mmsen:


It does seem to be peculiar to Islamic societies, if that is what you are asking.

Bros you have made solid points, that lad knows what to say no more.
Your facts are actually mind-blowing, you are man of vast knowledge.
I aspire to be like you when I'm grown.
Cheers.

ebenice:
I also hope our northern politicians too will be tried under sharia law and not just the common Muslim on the street

When has that ever happened?

They shamelessly loot state funds and yet no court has ever even attempted to try them - all these northerners who are clogging the Federal courts with their cases should face the Sharia courts instead, if that is what they truly believe. Let them risk their hands and lives instead of a few millions.

mmsen:


When has that ever happened?

They shamelessly loot state funds and yet no court has ever even attempted to try them - all these northerners who are clogging the Federal courts with their cases should face the Sharia courts instead, if that is what they truly believe. Let them risk their hands and lives instead of a few millions.

double standard politicians ...i thought leadership should be by example but hard ones like this is an exemption for them

daretodiffer:
Here is your problem, if you understood how amputation to theft works you complain. A poor person is allowed to take something that does not belong to him, things like food provided he takes what he needs and what he can finish at that moment in time. He won't go to jail neither would he be amputated because of it.


2) Can we stop being hypocritical? You don't give a shit about humanity. Sharia does not support killing an innocent being but it does support killing a murderer. And that is not against humanity. It can never be.

I have solid point, to be honest I no nothing on Sharia Laws.
But I do care very much about humanity.
You do understand you can't play the role of the judge, jury, and executioner at the same time.
A poor man stealing food, why not asking the first place? Sounds like "all man for himself" theory. That is so archaic.
You do understand there are degrees on murder charges, one also is on indirect killing of innocent people based on poor or unmanaged decisions.
I want to try to remain on this topic, I understand this is your beliefs and I'm in no position in changing that, but we do have a conflict and that is, this doesn't concern you alone, but Nigeria as a country, the Law should not stand in the constitution and I stand my grounds on that fact. It should remain where it is, where people like you understands it better.
Do you my village law, states that "when a female being talks unruly to a man, she should have a tongue cut off immediately" but I don't find you being tongueless or fingerless
Hope you do get my point, from my view the law remains where it is, it doesn't need more power else there would be anarchy

I understand your concerns. Sharia law is more than all these laws. I don't want to argue with you. You seem to be genuinely concerned and I am glad you are willing to argue without sentiments.

Feshizzy:

I have solid point, to be honest I no nothing on Sharia Laws.
But I do care very much about humanity.
You do understand you can't play the role of the judge, jury, and executioner at the same time.
A poor man stealing food, why not asking the first place? Sounds like "all man for himself" theory. That is so archaic.
You do understand there are degrees on murder charges, one also is on indirect killing of innocent people based on poor or unmanaged decisions.
I want to try to remain on this topic, I understand this is your beliefs and I'm in no position in changing that, but we do have a conflict and that is, this doesn't concern you alone, but Nigeria as a country, the Law should not stand in the constitution and I stand my grounds on that fact. It should remain where it is, where people like you understands it better.
Do you my village law, states that "when a female being talks unruly to a man, she should have a tongue cut off immediately" but I don't find you being tongueless or fingerless
Hope you do get my point, from my view the law remains where it is, it doesn't need more power else there would be anarchy

Finally I smell the air of unity in here,
Let this polictians be tried by Sharia Law,
I bet my two fingers, they won't have to read all their charges before the executioner involuntary respectful take their head away from their body in an orderly manner.

daretodiffer:
I understand your concerns. Sharia law is more than all these laws. I don't want to argue with you. You seem to be genuinely concerned and I am glad you are willing to argue without sentiments.

Finally something we could both agree on. The Sharia is more than other Laws. And it suits best where it is acceptable.

mmsen:
Nigeria is a secular nation with secular laws.

In a secular liberal democracy, you're allowed to follow any law. Shariah law is for Muslims so it doesn't concern you, so if indeed you practice democracy why can't you allow Shariah especially when it doesn't concern you!

If you wish to impose nonsensical middle eastern backwardness then leave the union of Nigeria,

Shariah is practiced in UAE, Malaysia, parts of Indonesia, Qatar and this countries fare well better than most western countries. Many Nigerian christians are in Qatar and Malaysia, and they're allowed to do their activities(mind you they're Muslim majority countries). In Shariah law, no Muslim is allowed to destroy any properties of Christians so nothing to worry!

form your own nation and enjoy your religious laws on your own.

I'm in 300lv, for the past 3years have spent in school, my department allowed Muslims to pray just last week. If this isn't oppression what is it? This country is more favorable to christians, look at our dating systems, muslims have their own dating but we follow the Gregory calendar which was introduced by a pope. In saudi arabia, no work on Fridays till Saturday but in Nigeria we go to work on Fridays and Sunday is an holiday. Yet you shout Islamization, as a Yoruba man I support the implementation of Shariah in Nigeria for Nigerian Muslims.

Demmzy15:


In a secular liberal democracy, you're allowed to follow any law. Shariah law is for Muslims so it doesn't concern you, so if indeed you practice democracy why can't you allow Shariah especially when it doesn't concern you!



Shariah is practiced in UAE, Malaysia, parts of Indonesia, Qatar and this countries fare well better than most western countries. Many Nigerian christians are in Qatar and Malaysia, and they're allowed to do their activities(mind you they're Muslim majority countries). In Shariah law, no Muslim is allowed to destroy any properties of Christians so nothing to worry!



I'm in 300lv, for the past 3years have spent in school, my department allowed Muslims to pray just last week. If this isn't oppression what is it? This country is more favorable to christians, look at our dating systems, muslims have their own dating but we follow the Gregory calendar which was introduced by a pope. In saudi arabia, no work on Fridays till Saturday but in Nigeria we go to work on Fridays and Sunday is an holiday. Yet you shout Islamization, as a Yoruba man I support the implementation of Shariah in Nigeria for Nigerian Muslims.

I am not a xtian so I have no interest in religious rites. And I care for Western nations as much as I do Islamic. I am promoting practical solutions for Nigeria and Sharia is not practical.

Nigeria's constitution has a lot of chaff in it but point 10. that states Nigeria is secular is one of the best, most unambiguous statements in the entire document. We are constantly told that religion is a 'personal choice', do it in your own time. If your religion interferes in your day-to-day life then you need to review your religion.

What you seem not to understand is Islam and the Islamic calendar is nothing but Arab supremacy. Is a dating system imposed by a pope any better or worse than one imposed by an Imam? Which allows for greater accuracy? Which is better overall should be the main point, not who brought the system into being.

I haven't shouted anything, least of all Islamization - Sharia law (as imposed by a state or the Federal government) contravenes the constitution and the wishes of a large chunk of the population. None of this should surprise anyone, Islam advocates for theocracy which is counter to democracy, the system that we are/were trying to pursue in Nigeria.

You mentioned that a liberal democracy affords everyone the right to follow whichever laws they like - this is erroneous, a democracy means that the people's representatives make laws that form the framework of their society. That is not the same as following whichever laws you wish to. If you want Islamic laws then move to an Islamic nation or move to Boko haram territory where they will kidnap and rape your daughter; or where Ali Yerima will buy your daughter, use her, then dump her pregnant on the street.

10. The Government of the Federation or of a State shall not adopt any religion as State Religion.

truefact:
Yet why would some states use sharia law while other states use constitutional law?

Why are some people required to obey sharia laws while others obey constitutional law?

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Exactly the point.
The Bill should not have even come to the National House in the first place.

The states where Sharia had earlier been allowed should be reprimanded as this is corruption of the Law and deliberate violation of the 1999 constitution.

The should be directed by the AGF to revert to the secularity of the law.

To even bring to the house was to give this illegality a foot hold.

They who sponsored the bill and those who voted yes should be published and shamed.

truefact:
Yet why would some states use sharia law while other states use constitutional law?

Why are some people required to obey sharia laws while others obey constitutional law?

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Use of sharia criminal laws in any part of Nigeria is unconstitutional.
But this Ogar here is ascribing it constitutional in the north. Lies from Ogar.

Ogar must have been compromised already.

For Buhari people to have sharia criminal laws embedded in the constitution, they can easily buy a few legislators from the south like the Ogars.
.Ogar reminds one of one House of Representatives member from Cross Rivers state who was known for insinuating that late President Yar'Adua should have smoked out Nigeria Delta militants, instead of negotiations with the militants.
Alas, Cross River people got rid of him from representating them.

Sharia law is for some part of the country,i just wonder if there is anything like nigeria. Why not all submit to the Law of the country.

agabusta:
Do not panic over Sharia court bill –Reps

The House of Representatives doused tension on Friday after a bill to expand the jurisdiction of the Sharia Court of Appeal ignited fears that lawmakers were about to expand Sharia Law to cover the entire country.

The constitution amendment bill, which was sponsored by a member from Sokoto State, Mr. Abdullahi Salame, had passed second reading on the floor of the House.

The Speaker, Mr. Yakubu Dogara, who presided over the session, had allowed the bill to scale second reading without debate on the grounds of its “sensitive” nature.

The House had also noted that since it was a constitution amendment bill, it should be referred to the Ad Hoc Committee on Constitution Review where it would be adequately discussed.

However, the passage of the bill raised fears after the term “jurisdiction” was reportedly misconstrued for expanding Sharia Law to states other than where it currently applies.

In his proposal, Salame sought to amend sections 262 and 277 of the 1999 Constitution to add “criminal” to the existing provisions.

Explaining the purpose of the bill, the Minority Leader of the House, Mr. Leo Ogor, a Christian, allayed fears that it was about expanding Sharia Law to other states.

Rather, he explained that bill merely sought to increase the existing powers of the court to include criminal cases.

Ogor said, “The ‘jurisdiction’ of the court referred to in sections 262 and 277 of the constitution means the powers of the court in states where it already exists, not expanding Sharia to other parts of the country, no.

“The amendment sought to these sections is to add ‘criminal’ to the existing jurisdiction it has on ‘civil litigation.’ That is the jurisdiction that is being expanded, not the expansion of Sharia Law itself.”

On why the bill was not debated, Ogor said, “The matter was not debated because the amendment is a constitutional amendment on a matter that could be better handled by the constitution review committee.

“Debating it on the floor will not resolve it since the Ad Hoc Committee on Constitution Review will still conduct a public hearing on it.

“Those concerned will be invited to come and give their opinions on how the added powers of the court will affect them and so on.

“Nobody is expanding Sharia to anywhere. Members of the public should not panic over this at all.”


http://www.punchng.com/dont-panic-sharia-court-bill-reps/

Say it loud and let them know that Buhari is not islamizing Nigeria. It is not in his character

codedguy1:


The truth is the slightest chance to allow sharia into the constitution will be taken immediately that chance presents itself, that is for sharia to cover the whole nation.

They want to add criminal aspect and what exactly is this criminal aspect? People flogging people in public and cutting other peoples limbs for offences that would have only imprison someone for probably a few years with his complete limbs intact.

That is the aspect that is most important to the Salame law maker in this trying times. SMH.

You didn't include stoning women to death for adultery.

This sorts of punishment is what a whole Representative Ogar, a Christian, probably from Cross River State tells us is constitutional in some northern part of Nigeria.

Lies, Lies, Lies from Ogar.

Truth is that wo northern Nigeria women are now in exile in Rome after attempts to convict them for adultery by a impostors to the practice of sharia criminal laws in the north of Nigeria.

I am not a fan of buhari to be precise. Never voted the guy. i kind of like get the ideology behind biafra too, well kind of, and I'm a northerner. I think that every state should have it's own law. The northern states should have the shariah law whilst the south and the others should continue with their type of law.

people will always look for someone to shoulder the blames. What are your christian senators and representatives doing there if they can't speak for you?

in Bob Marley's voice I say

a me no know oooh a me no know oooh

Demmzy15:


In a secular liberal democracy, you're allowed to follow any law. Shariah law is for Muslims so it doesn't concern you, so if indeed you practice democracy why can't you allow Shariah especially when it doesn't concern you!



Shariah is practiced in UAE, Malaysia, parts of Indonesia, Qatar and this countries fare well better than most western countries. Many Nigerian christians are in Qatar and Malaysia, and they're allowed to do their activities(mind you they're Muslim majority countries). In Shariah law, no Muslim is allowed to destroy any properties of Christians so nothing to worry!



I'm in 300lv, for the past 3years have spent in school, my department allowed Muslims to pray just last week. If this isn't oppression what is it? This country is more favorable to christians, look at our dating systems, muslims have their own dating but we follow the Gregory calendar which was introduced by a pope. In saudi arabia, no work on Fridays till Saturday but in Nigeria we go to work on Fridays and Sunday is an holiday. Yet you shout Islamization, as a Yoruba man I support the implementation of Shariah in Nigeria for Nigerian Muslims.

What has government done to stop or compensate Christians whose properties were destroyed by Muslims up north?

Secondly, do you go to work on Fridays while Christians sleep? If you want shout till tomorrow, the Gregorian calendar is what we will use. You can implement sharia for your Muslims and cut all their limbs while Abacha went to his grave with his limbs intact, na una sabi

Feshizzy:

I'm surprised you don't get the short-sleeved part.
Well it's a human that have become an amputee with a short-sleeved looking limb remaining.
Well, to be honest I don't like it. What they practice is not justice. Let's leave sentiments aside, what positive impact would Sharia Law have in our economy, I am not being biased but the answer is none.
I do apologise if my views offends your beliefs.
You may support it, I may not. What remain a fact is that their system of justice is a crime against humanity. This is just my point of view. I may be wrong, probably the victims were compensated very well.

So a whole daretodiffer does not understand "short sleeve "
kikikikikikikiki yimuyimuyimuyimu bubububububu and finally I laugh in China yernyernyernyern

Assistance:
During election we were telling these folks that the northerners especially Buhari got something in his sleeves.. They didn't hear..tinubu was in the quest of being a godfather forgetting that these northerners ain't your friends.. Now they got the president, the speaker.. Watch how they will gradually Islamize Nigeria..

Understanding is your problem

This Law makers shld leave Religious matters alone and face economic issues, and should allow Sharia court to maintain its status quo(ie handling Civil matters alone). Until 2019 wen we shall decide to whether to face the court and the sharia itself out or leave it d way they are.

I came across this post online, please read and share your opinion

Deception, Lying and Taqiyya
Does Islam permit Muslims to lie?

Muslim scholars teach that Muslims should generally be truthful to each other, unless the purpose of lying is to "smooth over differences."

There are several forms of lying to non-believers that are permitted under certain circumstances, the best known being taqiyya. These circumstances are typically those that advance the cause of Islam - in some cases by gaining the trust of non-believers in order to draw out their vulnerability and defeat them....http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/taqiyya.aspx