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| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by WeNigerDelta2: 4:05pm On May 31, 2016 |
LRNZH:Maybe I'm nuts or can't research properly....But everything I'm reading is showing Eritea Independence Day as May 1991 and Somali is July 1960 pre Nigeria.....Kindly correct me if I am wrong here, otherwise they are both past 20years... |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by LordAdam: 4:12pm On May 31, 2016 |
LRNZH:Namibia. Only 3 African countries have seceeded and gotten independence of recent. Namibia, Eritrea, and South Sudan. South Sudan is still in its infancy. They would get it right with time. Eritrea still fights a cold war with their former neo-colonialist--Ethiopia. Still, they are getting better with high GDP growth rates. Namibia has "high political, social, and economic stability." They have a GDP per capita that is three times that of Nigeria. $6,118 vs Nigeria's $2,640. I can give you a list of 5 countries and had independence at least 20 years before Eritrea that did not secede that are worst than Eritrea in Africa. Even DRC is worse than South Sudan currently. Let us have our own republic. Let us control our destiny. You are not Nostradamus. -Lord 1 Like |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by LRNZH(op): 4:12pm On May 31, 2016 |
WeNigerDelta2:There is a difference between secession and independence from foreign colonial masters. So any secession in Africa from the 90s is adequate data. There is also a difference between Somalia and Somaliland. Somaliland was proclaimed independent from Somalia in 1991. If these 3 countries- Eritrea, Somaliland and South Sudan don't tell you story then I don't know how else it can be pointed out to you. Africa's problem is not the size of the country or ethnic homogeneity. So more resource or full secession does not assure the ND or Biafra a better life. |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by LRNZH(op): 4:17pm On May 31, 2016 |
LordAdam:I am sorry to state that you're clutching at straws. The yardstick we are using is if there is a secession, the new country should be doing better than the country it seceded from. Otherwise, what's the use of secession? Is Namibia doing better than South Africa? Is Eritrea doing better than Ethiopia? Is South Sudan doing better than Sudan? Is Somaliland doing better than Somalia? 1 Like |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by LordAdam: 4:24pm On May 31, 2016 |
LRNZH:If this is your reply from all I wrote, then I'm done replying you. I think I've done enough to prove that an individual from the Niger Delta has no business dictating to us what is good or bad for us. I don't know where you are from, but these armed struggle will benefit you too. Niger Delta armed struggle made the 13% derivation to be implemented in 2000. Today, Imo and Abia states in the SE produce oil. Their state governments benefit from the 13% derivation. Today, Ondo and Lago states in the SW produce oil. Their state governments benefit from the 13% derivation. In the near future, NE states would start producing oil (Buhari approved billions of naira for oil exploration in the Chad Basin). They too would benefit from the 13% derivation. Niger Delta is fighting not just for our future, but the future of more oil producing states in other regions. Be careful which part of the towel you use to wipe your ass. It may well be the part you use to wipe your face tomorrow. Enforce the confab report, these secession threats would drown. If these armed conflicts continue, Biafra and Niger Delta Republic would happen. Since 1990, 34 new countries have been created. The north better follow the saying, "A stitch in time saves nine." Enforce the 2104 confab report. -Lord 2 Likes |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by LRNZH(op): 4:27pm On May 31, 2016 |
LRNZH: LordAdam:You ignored my question above because the data doesn't favour secession in Africa. No Wahala.  I will let you off on that note. To be honest, no one can predict tomorrow but we can hazard some intelligent guesses as you have just seen. Take care my friend. |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by macaranta(m): 4:32pm On May 31, 2016 |
WeNigerDelta2:My brother...I don't know how you arrive at conclusions.I addressed the regions as relevant given the arguments on ground.If investors don't have interests in Calabar or Uyo,you can't force them to invest there.we still operate a capitalist economy last time i checked. Secondly..how you concluded that I am from Ondo is a matter entirely for another day..p.s I once dated a damsel from ondo. Thirdly,you say employ Niger Deltans,check in every major IOC if you won't find a fair representation of Niger Deltans there.Unless you want a 100% Niger Delta run IOCs then you will need to redefine the I in IOC. 1 Like |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by LordAdam: 4:33pm On May 31, 2016 |
LRNZH:Who are you to use that as a yardstick? In fact, why must you use that as a yardstick? The use of secession is not to become better than your host country but to have 100% control (sovereignty) over your affairs. Especially, when the host country limits you or treats you unfairly. Secession is similar to Independence. In both cases, the party calling for secession or independence does not like the union or power ruling them and want to chart their own course. Are you saying that Scotland should not push for secession because they are not going to do better than England? I fail to see your logic. -Lord 3 Likes 1 Share |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by macaranta(m): 4:42pm On May 31, 2016 |
Izonpikin:Again such bias is wrong,she wasn't ditched ..she probably didn't meet the criteria for an offer.Same thing goes for the ones that didn't get promoted.That's the truth and please speak for yourself...several line heads and senior management staffs are Niger Deltans,maybe they should all come mark attendance at your place so you can alay your fears that Niger deltans are excluded from essential roles in IOC's. |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by Izonpikin: 4:47pm On May 31, 2016 |
macaranta:and the others who were taken met the criteria  ...abeg make i hear word....they left this girl for almost a year then when she tried contacting them they sent her a reject mail...what nonsense...a very intelligent girl as such...  |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by LRNZH(op): 4:51pm On May 31, 2016 |
LordAdam:[b]Guy! Why are you arguing like this? Come on! When a country splits, it loses the advantage that comes with its size and diversity. Look how Nigeria is surrounded by French countries but can still stand her ground as a regional superpower in West Africa because of her size. Where South Africa dey flex muscle, Namibia no for try am. Not even resource rich Equatorial Guinea or Sao Tome can lay claim to this benefits because they're too small. So if you're going to secede there should be other advantages to offset that loss. When you secede and get full control of your resources and you're still worse off than where you came from even after 15 -20 years then how do you justify the secession? I know you understand all this but don't want to cede the point because as I earlier showed you, none of the countries that have seceded in Africa are better off than their former country and it doesn't help your wish to secede. Namibia vs South Africa, Eritrea vs Ethiopia, Somaliland vs Somalia or South Sudan vs Sudan. That's just what the data shows. I don't make it up.[/b] |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by ColeworldMD(m): 4:51pm On May 31, 2016 |
ALL the governors of the nine Niger Delta state’s mismanaged the 13 percent fund, that 13% have become the highest fraud for the nine benefiting states of [/b]Ondo, Edo, Delta, Bayelsa, Rivers, Akwa/Ibom, Cross-Rivers, Imo and Abia.[b] “There is no evidence on ground to show for the huge allocations over the years”, http://urhobotoday.com/?p=10013[/quote]I keep telling ppl.. What Akpabio did in his time as gov is just the tip of the iceberg compared to what the ND could achieve with good governance. |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by macaranta(m): 4:53pm On May 31, 2016 |
Izonpikin:Lol ..so they rejected her solely because she's from Niger Delta? I give up bro. |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by Izonpikin: 4:54pm On May 31, 2016 |
macaranta:they didnt give a shit about her origin and they rejected her or chose others ahead of her... i hope those persons employed can now work freely when the niger delta heat gets hotter....  ... |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by senbonzakurakageyoshi(m): 4:56pm On May 31, 2016 |
Shym3xx:But we already have smaller levels of government i.e the state and local governments. How come nobody is demanding accountability from those? It's simple logic really. Of you keep waiting for government to get smaller, there would always be a larger government entity till you are your own government. If resource control is granted to the regional then they would start being state governments for non performance. Grant states resource control and they would start pointing fingers at the local governments. Give the local governments and they'll direct you to district chairmen. And on and on and on till the only person that you can't be referred to a smaller entity is yourself. |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by macaranta(m): 4:57pm On May 31, 2016 |
Izonpikin:Okay bro..what is hot will get cold sooner or later.Thermodynamics 101. |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by Izonpikin: 4:57pm On May 31, 2016 |
macaranta: ....then we re-heat it.... |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by macaranta(m): 4:59pm On May 31, 2016 |
Izonpikin:BTUs don't come cheap... |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by LRNZH(op): 5:00pm On May 31, 2016 |
Izonpikin:Lol...u be oven? |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by WeNigerDelta2: 5:07pm On May 31, 2016 |
macaranta:It seems you ignored a very important post I made....Oil installations by IOC in Texas, Cali, Alaska, majority of the people working there are Texans, Californians and Alaskans, top to bottom not just contract staffs....Its only when there is a shortage of labor or skills that they outsource or romance people from other region to move over there.....The I in IOC still remains...You guys dont even move down south or pay taxes in our states....You employ the residents and indigenes of a place first in every sector, it's why there is a concentration of certain skills in a particular place and those kind of companies folk there....Oil companies flock to Texas, Alaska, ND etc, because it's where the workers and resources are.....Financial companies mostly set up in NY and Chicago because it's what the resident and indigenes do, Tech San Fran etc....We have oil and oil companies set up shops in Lagos, only in naija.... How can you force companies to move to places when the resources is controlled by the center...Chevron head office is in Texas, they can't even think about moving it...If states and communities put conditions of relocation before drilling, you'll see how fast they will move to Uyo and other places where they drill.... |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by LordAdam: 5:08pm On May 31, 2016 |
LRNZH:I will reply you for the last time How is the SE and SS gaining from the supposed "size" and "diversity" of the Nigerian hegemony? Who needs the size and diversity when we are effectively second class citizens in what should be an equal union? That is the simple fact. Nigeria's problems are not beyond solving. Let Buhari implement confab and let him initiate a tough crackdown on the Fulani Herdsmen. You would find that these issues of secession would fizzle out. If he remains adamant and continues to use force, Biafra and Niger Delta would actualize. Of course, everything has its advantages and disadvantages. However, the advantages in a secession far outweighs the disadvantages. That is the simple fact. I am not calling for a secession just yet. Buhari still has a chance to keep this country as one. The problem is that he is insincere and using 20th century tactics. Would I rather Nigeria remain one, sure. But it must be on everyone's terms, not just the elitist megalomaniac North. If they continue to trample on our right to agitate for more control of our resources, then we are left with no choice but to secede. The ball is in the North's court, you can add SW to that mix. -Lord |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by LRNZH(op): 5:14pm On May 31, 2016 |
LordAdam:You just landed! Ehen that's what you should have stated since and we wouldn't have gone down that secession line which you didn't like the reality of data I showed you. As long as Buhari is alive and healthy, I believe he will fix a lot of these issues that are hurting the SE and SS especially and Nigeria generally. Every government in Nigeria struggles in its first year in office and that's what we just witnessed. Buhari's own is worse because he inherited a broken country from GEJ. It is the truth but you may not like that as well. I strongly believe in this statement. Nigeria go better without unnecessary violence. |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by LordAdam: 5:20pm On May 31, 2016 |
LRNZH:Una don start. What kind of country did GEJ inherit from Yar' Adua? What kind of country did Yar'Adua inherit from Obasanjo? What kind of country did Obasanjo inherit from Abubakar? I did not make that statement because I did not like the data you showed me. I have repeatedly said it in my replies that implementing the confab reports would end the secessionist threats. Or were you blind to that? That your belief would only happen when the Nigerian government becomes civil in its dealings. Until then, violence will be the predominant form of getting the attention of the government and more importantly getting them to take necessary action. -Lord |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by LRNZH(op): 5:27pm On May 31, 2016 |
LordAdam:Let's not start the argument of what OBJ/Yaradua left behind for GEJ and what GEJ left behind for Buhari. You'll not like to hear the reality once again. Go ahead and support the violence. It has its opportunity costs and that's what this thread is all about. Pick your poison . 2 Likes |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by PentiumPro(f): 5:36pm On May 31, 2016 |
macaranta: Shocking!!! 1 Like |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by macaranta(m): 5:47pm On May 31, 2016 |
WeNigerDelta2:I really don't get your grievance..is it that you want the HQ of IOC's moved to Niger Delta, if yes what's it's significance with regards the common man(Niger delta man).Shell was practically forced out of Warri due to militancy related activities. Filling the top to bottom with Niger Delta people in IOC's will just make E$P another community village meeting. Again you keep mentioning Texas and chevron and how how chevron is filled with indigenous Texans which is totally debatable unless your are the Regional Recruitment manger for Chevron Texas. Finally I don't know your level of education/exposure with regards E&P and downstream Oil $ gas sector but if it were really high you will have a better idea how this things work. CoB ..kinda tired now |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by judondasylva(m): 6:25pm On May 31, 2016 |
let them cripple the country since the only language buhari hears is violence |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by modath(f): 6:28pm On May 31, 2016 |
Shym3xx:Shy, I used to believe Niger Delta was deliberately being shafted till 2 people gave me two accounts of events they personally witnessed.. 1. A friend works for a firm who as part of their CSR were to build a block of classrooms for elementary school kids for that community so the little ones won't have to walk far, He said they refused on grounds that the elders claimed their own children were too grown for primary school and the youth said they didn't have kids that will "enjoy" at the particular moment, Shy, they all decided to share the money and that was that... 2. My Sis lives in PH and is doing her PG studies in the state university, She told me of how one of her associates married to a local ppolitician told her of how a crowd insisted they'd rather take the cash for a road rehab as their immediate problem is cash in their pocket, that they can "manage" the road... When they do dat at We know there is poverty in land, but is there no thought for anything but the present?....I live for the day SW will be free to decide it's own pace, and prosperity but i want it achieved with minimal SW collateral damage...  However, some people introduced Unitary system, and also endorsed the mindless looting we experienced in the recent past, things now hard and they want out?? Selfish selfish, we will all "enjoy" the "good times" .. 1 Like 1 Share |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by LRNZH(op): 6:36pm On May 31, 2016 |
modath:Hehe ..let's all enjoy the fruits of the labours of our 'heroes past' |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by Izonpikin: 6:57pm On May 31, 2016 |
LRNZH:I be furnace.. I tire my bro... This my people wahala how to solve am na really wa... |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by LRNZH(op): 7:01pm On May 31, 2016 |
Izonpikin:I feel your pain. Naija's problems just keep multiplying. E no sweet anybody. |
| Re: The Opportunity Costs Of Militancy In The Niger Delta, An Exposé by sheilak: 7:07pm On May 31, 2016 |
If each political rep used his/her allocation for its purpose, we wll have a higher standard of living. However I will expect ND to have the highest standard of living in the country because of their 13% derivatives. If each Governor decided to concentrate the 13% on one sector of the social sector like the health sector, there is no reason why the standard shouldn't be at par with developed countries. How can anyone trust people who cannot manage simple allocation to manage anything? Instead of these people to fight for a law reform that allows Conditional Fee Agreement on criminal activities so that they would be able to sue for negligence, they are busy destroying their lands. Nonsense! 1 Like |
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