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Horlufemi:
The phrase first born oh all creation doesn't mean Jesus was part of the created. It simply means first fruit of the dead. Jesus said something about the glory him and the father shared before the world began (before creation).

In Jn 1:1 Jesus is called God, the Word, the Logos. The Jehovah’s Witnesses have rewritten a whole bible translation just to change the passage from its very obvious climax of Jesus the Logos being God to merely Jesus as a god, with a little g. Note to everyone, this is the only translation that says this… and its neither correct nor popular (probably because its not correct).

Thomas calls Jesus “Lord and God” in Jn 20:28, in the Greek its κύριός (Lord) μου (my) καὶ (and) ὁ θεός (God) μου (my) or basically “my Lord and my God.” Some people try to make ridiculous explanations to avoid it, such as Thomas was either wrong or he spoke of two separate entities, Jesus as an earthly Lord, and God as the heavenly father that was up in the sky. Some even say Thomas spoke to Jesus as a man but in him saw God, though Jesus was not divine. Basically some people will say Thomas was speaking to two entities and thereby people gladly avoid the obvious, that Thomas said to HIM, not to THEM, Jesus is “my Lord and my God.” Col. 2:9 is very clear, the fullness of deity or God-hood/God-ness dwells in Jesus. While we have Gods spirit living in us, we cannot say the fullness of deity dwells in us. God lives in us, but his divine nature is not a part of us; Jesus on the other hand had the fullness of Gods divine nature in his body. Also see Heb 1:3.

Paul calls Jesus “God and Savior” in Titus 2:13. According to Granville Sharps Rule #1 (a rule used in interpreting Greek texts) “When the copulative kai (“and”) connects two personal nouns (“God,” “Savior”) which are singular and not proper nouns (such as names) both nouns refer to the first-named person.” Basically just in case some “brilliant guy” tries to pull a stunt and say that this refers to two separate entities, the Greek grammar does not work that way. These two nouns (God/Savior) can only refer to one entity, Jesus. You can read more in depth here.

In Heb 1:8 we see the Son of God and God used as synonyms. God the Father calls the Son, God. In Acts 20:28 we are told that the blood of Jesus was “Gods own blood.” At the end of the day we can squirm and cringe all we want but Christ is God over all, the true God, this the scriptures are clear on (Rom 9:5; 1 John 5:20).

The bible is clear and explicit in saying that Jesus created everything. And all things that were or are or will be came into being through him (and for Him). It is simply childish and intellectually immature to then turn around and say this same Jesus who made everything is himself not God but a mere man or angel. Neither men nor angels can create, they can only transform by taking preexisting atoms and reformulating them into another structure. Creation physical material ‘ex nihilo’ (out of nothing) is an attribute that only God the Creator has (Isa 40:28)


Read the Bible per topic you will understand.

Trina0936:
You are 100% right. I see them as members of a secret society not Christians!

AmAlbert:
Thanks so much to you guys for all your positive and negative feedbacks, much much thanks to you [size=16pt]PAULGRUNDY[b][/b][/size]for your busy schedule, restless nights and impressive efforts in trying to use a spoon to drain an ocean, one thing is for sure is this, it's not how far but how well, Jwits are I repeat are humans and will always remain humans like everyone other people, meaning as imperfect beings we make mistakes, we sin, speak and even our conducts sometimes speaks of an imperfect being, but know one thing we don't try to justify our imperfection thereby using it as a bait or visa for loose conduct, we TRY/STRIVE to live by & apply Bible principles in our day to day living, we are currently numbering over 8,000,000 and our website it the highest translated website in the world... For those who still have hatred for the witnesses out of personal sentiments, personal vendetta or what they heard or were told or how they were treated by someone who is associating with the witnesses but ain't a baptized member of the Witnesses should please and please try to have a one on one encounter with the witnesses in order to clarify their matters, doubts, anxieties, fears and angers..

For my dear active brothers and sisters who are really doing their utmost by being active in this life saving and never to be repeated work of preaching the Goodnews of God's Kingdom, I plead, petition, ask and beg that Jehovah continue to impart his holy spirit and wisdom on you to do it more devotedly and tactfully without derailing from the principles and guidelines that guides us as CHRISTIANS...


Jwits love you and that's why we'll always call back despite the harsh opposition you extend to us...

God's Kingdom remains the only solution to mankind's woes, pains and sufferings

Ostan:



WHAT YOU JUST TYPIED IN PUBLIC WILL BEAR WITNESS AGAINST YOU...
JEHOVAH IS THE NAME OF GOD ALMIGHTY... YOU JUST ADDED WICKEDNESS TO HIS NAME...

HOPE YOU KNOW THE IMPLICATION OF THAT??

[exodus 20:7]
You must not take up the name of JEHOVAH your God in a worthless way, for JEHOVAH will not leave unpunished the one who takes up His name in a worthless way.

[Deuteronomy 5:11]
You must not take up the name of JEHOVAH your God in a worthless way, for JEHOVAH will not leave anyone unpunished who takes up his name in a worthless way.

[Psalm 139:20]
Those who say things against you with evil intent; They are your adversaries who take up your name in a worthless way.

Sarang:
You are actually insunating that Jehovah is wicked??

See how you go take your hand kill yourself in the name of internet.

Jehovah God is wicked??

Hiaa Our tongue is our life and death Mr!!

nigerianvenom:
I have them as friends, lived with them and even during secondary school, as a boarding student, I use to attend their studies.
My uncle has more awake and watchtower including their hymns tape than even a devout jw member.
My ex gf was a jw, so no one will tell me what I don't know about them.
They are hypocrites

nigerianvenom:
Don't misinterpret the Bible.

goodnewscliff:
u dont even knw d meaning of the word 'secret society'....if u do , u would recognize it doesnt match wit witnesses...whats d secret they re hiding??...if they got 1, u wouldnt see them on the streets with their bags....lols....

paulGrundy:
All those beliefs are not held by Jehovahs witnesses alone. Can you at least reason beyond the cut and paste?



Then why deviate from the traditional descriptive word- church-
Early christains never called their place of worship Kingdom Hall. Besides there are other WT doctrines and teachings that are unscriptural e.g

1.only 144,000 will make heaven (scriptural basis for the selection of those who will make heaven)

2. In 1919 Jesus came to earth as an invisible king and chose the watchtower as his only mouthpiece and true Religion (who saw him? What is scriptural basis for the selection?). The doctrine is still held till this day.



7th day adventists do not believe in trinity and the immortality of the soul.



The real pronunciation of Gods name is unknown. Its spelt as YHWH, some call it yahweh. Funny thing is that NO ancient manuscript used the word Jehovah. The J translations emerged 1000 years after Jesus' death, which is basis for watchtowers addition ironically the Watchtower does not consistently follow the J versions. Some of the J versions were done by Trinitarians, and include YHWH to support that Jesus is Jehovah. For this reason the NWT does not include Jehovah in over 50 places that the J versions do. For instance J7 and J8 translate 1 Peter 3:15 as:

"Sanctify Jehovah God (who is Christ) in your hearts."



Aside fom JW's I haven't seen any denomination that takes the preaching work seriously like the baptists. Funny thing is they don't use door to door method, but they have more members than JW's.



I don't quite understand what you mean.



In an earlier thread (thread number 4 or so) I pointed out about 24 christain groups that refuse to take up arms and kill most of which are affilated to major christain denominations.



Christaldephia's strong hate participation in politics and sometimes go as far as not voting.
Here is a website to verify for yourself.

http://www.christadelphia.org/pamphlet/politics.htm



Is door to door the only method used by early christains?
I just showed you that the baptists are as active in evangelism, just like JW's but they have more members, why?
Because their method is effective.

Christian groups that do not have a door to door ministry often contain well organized evangelical programs. For instance, a group renowned for their preaching efforts are Baptists. Baptists have the most missionaries of any religion. In 2004 there were 7 million Baptists out side of America, 600,000 baptisms and 21,000 new churches. In 2004 Witnesses baptised only 200,000 globally. Interesting information on the significant efforts of Baptist missionaries can be viewed at internationalministries.org and namb.net.

Even the door to door you are making noise about is done by other christain groups: mormon, adventists.

Nnaabros:
Please visit our website at www.jw.org for answers to your questions, and to understand the Witnesses and their beliefs better

reminiscing:
Because you hate reality.Heaven is real and Hell is becoming hot each day that is why you feel the heat nowadays.Iranu!!!

paulGrundy:
I don't have any questions, am not trying to deflate the misinformation and lies in that article that was culled from www.jw.org

paulGrundy:
True talk, there is abundant evidence that shows the link between the watchtower and occult societies, e.g free masonary, illuminati, rosicrusian.

goodnewscliff:
u dnt knw the meaning of the word 'true talk'....can u please give 1 evidence that witnesses re linked wit occultism and odas....jst 1....farfromtruth#

Nnaabros:
To Learn More About the Witnesses click this section
Frequently Asked Questions About Jehovah's Witnesses
https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/


For Answers to Bible Questions
Check this section
Bible Questions Answered
https://www.jw.org/en/bible-teachings/questions/

Remember, ALL WE OFFER YOU, IS THE TRUTH

mmark12:
bleep your mother, mind your business. was i talking to u

asshole

Horlufemi:
To answer that you need to know what makes God God. The bold is the issue. God is omniscient omnipresent Omnipotent.

W(Godhood) | G(Godhood)

John 1:1 in simple terms means the Word is a God not a god.

John 1:1 is much more likely describing Jesus as having all the qualities of God—capital G. It separates Jesus from God the father(with God) then further states Jesus has all the qualities of God - capital G.

Philippians 2:5-7 NLT
You must have the same attitude that Christ Jesus had. [6] Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God [/b]as something to cling to. [7] Instead, [b]he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form,

I don't know how to further explain.

paulGrundy:
does jw.org conduct bible studies?
no.

Trina0936:
Show me a chapters and verses in the bible that support all these silly beliefs Jehovah witnesses have? God telling Abraham to trust him and carry out a deed isn't the same with looking on as someone dies when you can help. Show me a part of the bible that God said we shouldn't donate blood to save a life! Abraham and Isaac has nothing to do with purposely watching a human being die when you can save them so don't even bring that into this topic. You Jehovah witnesses just twist the scriptures to suit your evil doctrines and that's why you don't intermarry with other Christians from another denomination.

goodnewscliff:
lolz......y nt give them a chance?? I aint sayin u shud believe but just check out of curiosity wat they really are and wat they teach

Sarang:
If we intermarry,tell me will it change the world?

How can we marry people who do not believe in what we believe?

That is one reason divorces happen.

And clearly more than 3 places in the bible God said,You MUST abstain from BLOOD?

You don't eat it but you tranfuse it abi?
Same way you don't smoke Cocaine but transfuse it no be so

Blood means life.
You are no giver of life MR.!

Trina0936:
Who wan marry into secret society before?
Pls stop hyping yourself.

That is why JW keeps growing because if you intermarry many of them will convert to another denomination. Commonsense shows that.
So God said you must abstain from blood,and you thought it was human blood?
Yet blood flows through your veins,listen to yourself and check if you made any sense??
Smh for una and twisting scriptures

paulGrundy:
Truth that tells lies?

Internet PR watchtower agent, you are really doing a poor job.

Sarang:
The bible actually said though he was in a godly form.

Yes! Jesus is a spirit.
Not he was god but in a godly form.

You can not be with your father and be your father,
it does not happen.

Also if Both of them were equal,he would have simply refer to God as his SIBLING.

Do you think you are more sensible than Jesus,he called him his father for crying out loud.

Sarang:
I did and I made a lot of sense.

phensbassey:
have you met all 8,000,000 of jw to knw that they are hypocrites?..does two bad apple in a basketful of apples mean the whole apple is bad...tell me who you know that's not a hypocrite one way or the other..

wamenzy:
u are d biggest hypocrite

goodnewscliff:
ur ex wasnt a jwitness...go check on her recently...she aint a witness...a bonafide witness wouldnt date u