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Tal Ben Haim performed wonderful well for his Israeli club by helping them to win the league and he replicated when came to Bolton. He was Okocha deputy captain. We know he was noticed because he played well in the EPL and Europa League. And even when Chelsea bought him he performed well too but could not bench John Terry, Richardo Carlvaho and Alex. Where you expecting him to break into that team? He also clashes with coaches and players. So, you know what that means in the Premier League.


Sidwell - do you expect him to bench the one time second and third best players in the world? Lampard and Essien? You self think am well na.

Mineiro was bought to play as a third= choice defensive midfielder to Mikel and Essien.

So, what are we talking about? These players have one thing in common. They never stayed beyond one season but Echiejile is going to his third season this year.

You can spot the difference.

Mickael2:


Your comments are based on the clubs alone. Do you watch the Turkish league? No, because if you do,you would not say such about Omeruo. Omeruo was CONSISTENTLY good this season. Leon lost his spot on the Mainz team at some part of the season, Ekong played every single game,i watch his games on youtube,almost all of them. Did you see Leon when we played against Mali? He was making silly mistakes,so much for him being the best defender we have. And don't get me started on Otigba please.

'in the eyes of the world, Echejile is the best leftback we have', which eyes?! Sir, can you please tell me how many games Echejile started this season. At some point he was only playing in the Europa league alone. Just check what happened in France today, Martial who plays for Manu was benched for Payet. During the match, Pogba who plays for Juve was subbed instead of Payet, who won the match? Payet. Sentiments, so because you do not know his club right? Well that's about it. Just remind me who was our best defender in that...wait a minute, do you even know the match he played for Nigeria? And Oshaniwa too?! Guy, you need to start watching matches before you decide. Just admit that you haven't seen Madu playing before, because he is absolutely fatanstic defensively and even better going forward, and Oshaniwa is better than Echejile by a mile.

Onazi plays as an attacking midfielder for Lazio?! Sir, you need to watch these matches. He always plays as the DMF! You didn't watch the Afcon either, because if you did, you would have noticed that it was even Mikel who was playing as the CMF for us, Onazi was predominantly defensive. Please, a defensive midfielder does not mean the person does not attack ever, it means he is predominantly concerned with defending!

John Ogu is slow? Kroos is not the fastest player in the world is he? I guess that makes him a bad CMF right? Great logic. I won't even reply this.

Based on form Ighalo is better? Based on which form? Form for Nigeria? Have you seen Ighalo playing for Nigeria or you just hear about it? We have given him his chance, he has failed to impress at all so we should give other people their own chance. Kayode was the third highest goalscorer in his Austrian league, Stoke city want him right now if not for his work permit, Anthony Ujah is no longer a starter for Bremen, he lost his spot towards the end of the season.

I have watched Panathinaikos games, I have seen Abdul, I won't doubt the fact that he is very very good, but watch Ibrahim,he is better. The last match that Ibrahim played for Nigeria he was very very good. If we invite both it won't be a crime because Abdul can play as a more attack-minded CMF, but if we must pick one as our back-up AMF it has to be Ibrahim

Mickael2:



first of all, Mikel benched Essien, and Mikel wasn't even a DMF initially so I don't know why Essien can't be benched.
So Shevchenko was wonderful for Chelsea? So Torres was great for Chelsea? So Alex Song has been wonderful for Barcelona? Do you know who Douglas Pereira is? He is a barca player, he was bought from Brazil. I can name 100 players that were bought but didn't play well for big clubs, so you can't say that a big club equates to a good player

TheGoodJoe:


They were poor players in top clubs. No matter how you try to spin it. Sinclair is a poor player but he played for Chelsea and Man City.

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Yes, they are very poor players who never lasted more than one season but Echiejile just concluded his second season and he is going into the third season. You can spot the difference.

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In addition, the league and performance is the deciding factor.

Omeruo was consistently good in the the Turkish league but it can't be compared with the Bundesliga and Eredivisie where we have our players. Gbam!

Leon Balogun played consistently for his club this season. He was only restrained due to injury at the end of the season. We know na. He never lost his position due to lack of performance. His statistics are there to see. 21 matches out of....


Who caused the goal against Luxembourg?
Troost-Ekong played very very well for em em.. this season mean he is per with Leon Balogun and Kenneth Otigba. You know know. Levels no be the same.

Wetin do Otigba?

I repeat Onazi had played for Lazio as an attacking midfielder. It was where he played before he was promoted to the senior team. And he played in that position seldomly for Lazio. This one I know because I monitored him after John Obuh lost the finals. I have seen him played in that position.

I have seen Madu played countless times but I still rate Echiejile higher than him. Monaco no be beans

Echiejile started 18 good league matches for Monaco this season. So, what are you talking about? Is that fair enough or better playing 50 matches in Slovakia?

Where Payet dey play? Obviously, not Slovakia na?

John Ogu is good but Onazi is better. Simple.

Kayode might not enter reserve team not to talk of the main National team. Meself fit score goalsssssss for Austria na.


Ighalo needs a natural Attacking midfielder behind him..

If you bring Ibrahim I go still take because I am his fan.

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Yes, they are very poor players who never lasted more than one season but Echiejile just concluded his second season and he is going into the third season. You can spot the difference.

TheGoodJoe:


Thanks. I do not know if you remember Kerrison Barcelona signed one time with a lot of hype. He managed to play Zero games for Barcelona.

Mickael2:



first of all, Mikel benched Essien, and Mikel wasn't even a DMF initially so I don't know why Essien can't be benched.
So Shevchenko was wonderful for Chelsea? So Torres was great for Chelsea? So Alex Song has been wonderful for Barcelona? Do you know who Douglas Pereira is? He is a barca player, he was bought from Brazil. I can name 100 players that were bought but didn't play well for big clubs, so you can't say that a big club equates to a good player

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Is Shevchenko a poor player?

Is Torres who helped Chelsea to score one million dollar goal a poor player?

Is Alex Song a poor player?

Is Fabrigase a poor player?

Is Robben a poor player?

Is Kaka of Real Real Madrid a poor player?

If I begin to mention world class players who flopped at one point, you go tire.

Echiejile has not been deemed flop in Monaco. Meaning he was a good buy. But we never hear Madu don dey market for big clubs to buy. Meaning scout no see am?

Mickael2:


I am trying to answer you but it looks more annoying. So the turkish league is crap? Fernabache, Gallatasary and the likes are hopeless teams? Which teams are in the eredivise? Ajax? European punching bags? Psv? Because of one good season where they actually lost in the Round of 16? Nawa o. Which other club exists there? You are forgetting also that Omeruo played for Ado Den Haag once and he was their best player for that season. So he has been there and he has done it well. Atleast you agreed that Ekong is now on par with Leon and Otigba or isn't that what you mean?

Alba has played as a winger before, play him there now and you will see how hopeless he will be. Mikel was our Amf once, play him there now and see the rubbish. Bale was once a leftback, play him there now. Drogba was once a defender,play him there now. Yaya toure was once a striker, play him there now. Your point is baseless. I have never seen him playing as an AMF myself but okay, maybe he played there when he was in secondary school, i don't know. But this season and last season, he DID NOT play as an Amf for Lazio, except if you know better than whoscored.com. His past position does not matter now, we are talking about the present.

What's the name of Madu's team since you have seen him playing before? Echejile played 18 league matches, 6 were substitute appearances, he was subbed out in 4 others, so much for being so good. 18 matches out of 38, that's 20 matches on the bench. He is a bench warmer, a serious CHAIRman. Constant football improves sharpness and Madu and Oshaniwa both have that right now and that's all that matters.

Onazi is better than John Ogu as a Cmf? That's dead wrong Sir. Even Lukman haruna plays better than Onazi in that CMF role not DMF.

Ighalo has played with Victor Moses and Iwobi( who are our two best AMFs as at now) and he didn't perform well with either of them. So should we reshuffle our entire team just to suit one player? Or replace a single player so as to suit the team? He can't play with iwobi and Moses then he has to shift for now.

I don't have anything against Otigba, he is average or above that slightly but not good enough to displace omeruo or ekong. Do you know the funny part? Otigba and Leon both play thesame foot, so how will they now play together? Omeruo is a sure bet cause he can play with his left, so he is certain. And we can't have 3 right footed CBs and just one left footed CB, so Awaziem comes in for Otigba.

You sef fit score goals for Austria? How many goals you don score for Nigerian league? The highest goals return in our belle face football league prior to two seasons ago was 15. He scored 14 or 15 goals in his first season in Austria. Abeg say the truth na. Even Ideye didn't score so much in the Greek league. Austria is going to the Euros mainly with their local league players. Greek local league players didn't make it to the Euro. Check it na

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Is Omeruo playing for Galatasary or Fernabachi? No

How do you rate him about a player who played against best clubs in the world and in one of the best leagues in the world.

So, you mean clubs in Turkey league will trash Ajax?

Apart from Galasatary and Fernaberchi Turkish league can't be compared with the Eredivisie. Fact.

Omeruo did well but was demoted to the Turkish league, that is not a good compliment.

Leon Balogun and Kenneth Otigba are not in the same levels with Troost-Ekong. Fact.

Onazi played as an attacking midfielder for Lazio two seasons ago. I saw it with my two koro koro eyes. No bi dem say.

I have not seen Madu play for his club but I have seen him played for the National team. He was dropped because he was bullied and beaten several times in his last match.

Echiejile bench warmer! What will you call father Mikel? and he is in ya first eleven. Don't you think constant football improves sharpness?ayeee!

Look at his statistics very well and you will see he played 20 league matches this season. If you remove that 20 from 38 it will remain 18. Waoh! The first choice last season is gradually losing his place to Echiejile. Chai!

If you say John Ogu is better than Onazi, it your opinion and you are entitled to it.


So, you think Leon Balogun and Kenneth Otigba can't use their left legs?

Kayode no go smell my team for now. No too much story.

Mickael2:


i don't know what your problem is. You said the Eredivise is better than the Turkish league so I gave you two top teams from that league and compared then to the two top teams in Turkey. For your info, both teams didn't even finish in the top of the league,it was a club called amylasaspor or something like that. And Omeruo has been playing against those teams, who is Leon Balogun playing against? Mainz lost both legs against Bayern and Borrusia, he didn't even play one of the matches against Bayern, he was benched. I don't really understand what you are saying again.

They cannot play as the left sided CB, there is no human being that can't use both feet but can you use it effectively? No. Do you know why Batra is going to the Euros? Because he is left footed, guy you need to start watching football soon.

Omeruo was on loan to Holland for God's sake! He wasn't demoted, he left the loan deal because it expired! You are just talking without fact at all!

You haven't seen Madu playing for his club, then stay quiet and don't say what you do not know. The last match he played for Nigeria he was outstanding. He wasn't invited again because he got injured not because he wasn't good. God, guy use facts na, not just what you want to believe!

Out of that 20 appearances, he only played the full 90 minutes in 6! Fact! He is a bench piece, a rotational piece. Their leftback has been injury prone this season, and that's why he manages to play so much. And for your info, i never said Mikel would start for me, i preferred Ndidi but due partially to experience i added Mikel, infact Mikel started more games than Echejile, since Hiddink came, he played ever single game, so he is no bench warmer, fact!

Which league does Otigba play in?

So your koro koro eyes is more efficient than whoscored.com? Superb logic. Do you see where you lied? Hernanez was the attacking midfielder for Lazio that season, where Onazi take smell AMF? Biglia was there too,he was the bench piece for their AMF. You don't even watch the Italian league so i won't embarrass you any further.

Kayode no go smell your team? Why? No sane reason. You didn't see Pedro going to the euros ahead of Isco and Saul that shows how terrible a coach you will be.

Mickael2:


i don't know what your problem is. You said the Eredivise is better than the Turkish league so I gave you two top teams from that league and compared then to the two top teams in Turkey. For your info, both teams didn't even finish in the top of the league,it was a club called amylasaspor or something like that. And Omeruo has been playing against those teams, who is Leon Balogun playing against? Mainz lost both legs against Bayern and Borrusia, he didn't even play one of the matches against Bayern, he was benched. I don't really understand what you are saying again.

They cannot play as the left sided CB, there is no human being that can't use both feet but can you use it effectively? No. Do you know why Batra is going to the Euros? Because he is left footed, guy you need to start watching football soon.

Omeruo was on loan to Holland for God's sake! He wasn't demoted, he left the loan deal because it expired! You are just talking without fact at all!

You haven't seen Madu playing for his club, then stay quiet and don't say what you do not know. The last match he played for Nigeria he was outstanding. He wasn't invited again because he got injured not because he wasn't good. God, guy use facts na, not just what you want to believe!

Out of that 20 appearances, he only played the full 90 minutes in 6! Fact! He is a bench piece, a rotational piece. Their leftback has been injury prone this season, and that's why he manages to play so much. And for your info, i never said Mikel would start for me, i preferred Ndidi but [b]due partially to experience i added [/b]Mikel, infact Mikel started more games than Echejile, since Hiddink came, he played ever single game, so he is no bench warmer, fact!

Which league does Otigba play in?

So your koro koro eyes is more efficient than whoscored.com? Superb logic. Do you see where you lied? Hernanez was the attacking midfielder for Lazio that season, where Onazi take smell AMF? Biglia was there too,he was the bench piece for their AMF. You don't even watch the Italian league so i won't embarrass you any further.

Kayode no go smell your team? Why? No sane reason. You didn't see Pedro going to the euros ahead of Isco and Saul that shows how terrible a coach you will be.

TheGoodJoe:


What of Downing who went to Liverpool and played two seasons without performing well.

Club can not be used to judge. If not Atletic Bilbao would not mess Manchester United home and away in the Europa league.

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Bros, you don't have facts to prove your points but I do have concrete facts on ground.

Who is Leon Balogun playing against?

Are you serious? The top 10 German club will trash the top team in the Turkish league.

You said he didn't play against those teams and they were beaten home and away. That is not true.

Leon-balogun played in the match they defeated Bayern Munich away.

Turkish league is for retired players.

So, Left legged players can only be played on the LCD.

Clap for ya self.

If he was that good he should have stayed or moved to the highest level. Omeruo is an average player and he is not better than Leon Balogun or Kenneth Otigba.

He was was not even deem fit to man the CB in the Eredivisie but rather played as a RB. You see what I am talking about. Or was he used as a CB in the Eredivisie?

Digest this Leon Balogun first before I move to your next point.

Did Leon-balogun play against Bayern Munich and where they trashed or did they trash Bayern Munich?

Oya open ya eyes you we dey watch ball and see for yourself. Before I move to the next questions.


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@bolded is another lie. Echiejile played in all matches he started but was substituted only once.

Records don't lie.

Let me explain the statistics below to you.

The clock symbolises the numbers of time he spent on the field of play this season.

The green field is the numbers of games he played this season and as you can see it is 20.

The next with human is the numbers of time he started this season which is 18.

Right after that is the green arrow which signified he came in as a substitute 2 times.

The red arrow shows that he came off as a substitute and we can see it is only once.

The folded field with red dot explains he was an unused substitute for 7 games.


Now, understanded thou?

So, where did you see he played only 6 full matches?
I hope you are not lying.

Your sins have been forgiven you and go and shin no more.


Pictures below

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But Echiejile is performing well.

Any Spanish team playing in Europe competition is not a fluke and they can beat any top 10 clubs in the world.

TheGoodJoe:


Echiejile has more poor games for the Super Eagles than Oshaniwa. That was why Coach Keshi dropped Echiejile. The dropping of Echiejile led to an improvement in our defensive records.

It is so simple. Oshaniwa should be ahead and it is wrong not even inviting him after he has proven himself.

Mickael2:


i would ask you to name the top10 teams in the bundesliga and tell me how far any of them went in the Europa league. Hertha Berlin were 4th in that league! Have you heard of them before? Liverpool defeated dortmund who are 2nd in that league. Apart from Bayern Munich and maybe Borrusia the rest is crap. My bad,Mainz defeated Bayern not thrashed. Did he play the first leg? Nop. Against Dortmund? Answer that.

Apart from Azpilicueta, which other right footed player have you seen playing as a leftback? None. Do you know why Dale Blind starts constantly for Manu? He isn't the best they have, but he is left-footed. If you do not know anything about the technical aspect of football then don't say anything. Play a right footed player in the LCB( not LCD) and you will see how awkward he will be.

You don't understand the meaning of a loan deal do you? He is on loan, it is Chealsea who will decide which team he moves to. He is still a chealsea player, go to skysports and look at the name of the players under chealsea. He is on loan to gain experience for God's sake!

He played in Ado Den Haag 3 years ago, which brings me back to thesame point. He is no longer a RB now, he is now a CB, he played CB for middlesborough last season, he is playing thesame for his team now, i don't know why its so hard for you to understand this little fact.

I asked you a question. Which team does Otigba play for because i doubt if you actually know.

Leon balogun played and Mainz defeated Bayern. Ok, so that means he is the best we have? Then the Malaga defenders should all be playing for Spain right now because they didn't lose to Madrid. The defenders of Villareal should be playing for their countries too because they defeated Madrid and held Barca. Just see how crooked your ideas are. And also, i would like you look up how many games he played as a RB this season, then the crap you said about Omeruo will come back at you again.

So the Turkish league is for retired players? Well i don't even know how i should start replying that rubbish. And please, stop adding smileys to everything you say, it makes it seem like i am arguing with an immature kid, and the pointless sarcastic side comments are just stupid

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Chai! very funny and cunny......

First of all, you don't dictate to me how I make my point on social media. I will do it in the best way I think I am supposed to do it.

Understand? good

Now, answer this question? Who said Leon Balogun didn't play any of the matches against Bayern Munich and Borussia Dortmund?


Did he play any of those matches or not?

Clear that one first before I move to the next.

Mickael2:



so you do not understand the meaning of 'my bad' that i used in the write-up? Well look for your dictionary then.

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Where is it written in your last post 'my bad'?


Are you admitting your early errors?

If not answer those questions and it very simple.

Mickael2:



I clearly said 'My bad, Mainz defeated Bayern not thrashed'. That should have told you what I meant

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Good! Now that you have acknowledged Leon Balogun played against the best attacking players in the Bundesliga and top 3 team in the world. And that his team even came out with a victory.

Did he play against Borussia Dortmund?

Please, whenever you come to social media to make statement always endeavour to clarify your points before ignorantly and boldly stating them here and if you have been weighted in the balance and found wanting, please quickly admit you are wrong. Thanks


Oya see him play against Borussia Dortmund. Fact

Mickael2:


Christ have mercy. I asked you a question for you to answer. I only clearly said that he didn't play against Bayern in the first leg. Now show that to me. I clearly left that Borrusia question hanging for you to answer. It was the Bayern return leg that I asked then answered. I dont know why English is so much of a problem for you

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Have you seen it with your eyes that Leon Balogun was a full squad member of Mainz.

He was a integral player for his club and he doesn't play only when he is injured. Shikena!

Mickael2:



fact. He only played that game because Guidoli was suspended. He didnt play the first leg. Same as Bayern game. Do you want me to show you the number of minutes played? https://www.whoscored.com/Players/43362
he played 17 games, 4 as a sub totalling 1511 minutes out of 3420. So much for a starter