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GloriaNinja:
Have you visited heaven huh? visit heaven first before concluding.

If heaven was real and those visions of heaven were real, we would have read of amazing technologies not ever perceived by any man.

The fact that horses, chariots, books, swords etc are used in heaven shows that heaven is just the creation of the imagination of men. And men that are not even smart enough.

Star trek is a very old movie yet the writer of the movie was able to predict a lot of future technologies even the tablet.

why are the still using books to store information in even. What is amazing about heaven? NOTHING, earth is far more advanced than a heaven where swords are still being used.

Think, think for a minute, how can heaven be so outdated?

The simple answer is, those who wrote it could only create heaven as best as their present world could be.

geoworldedu:
Pls just paste the passage of the quran where the thing was spoken about.

The scriptures were made made thousands of years, and your fore fore fathers who prolly had no knowledge read about it. So imagine you talking about Tablet or Ipad thousands of years ago, who will understand? But stating in the scripture that every seconds of your life is recorded and will be played to you on the judgment day surpasses how many terabyte of memory jst for a person, not to talk of every human being on earth. We can never attain technological level in heaven

(On that Day, people will come forward in separate groups to be shown their deeds: whoever has done an atom’s weight of good will see it, but whoever has done an atom’s weight of evil will see that” (99:6-.)

talking about ppl dat used technologies far more advanced than what we have 2day (no new thing under the heaven). SEE Q9:69 *like that of those who lived before you, whose power, wealth, and children were much greater than yours. They enjoyed their share of the worldly gains and you, also, like them, have enjoyed yours.*....example is in the case of Q 34:12 (And to Solomon We subjugated the wind: its morning stride was a month’s journey and the evening stride was a month’s journey. )

If u'r a science student, you'l know that, until last century, scientist knew atom to be smallest indivisible and indestructible...but in this verse of about 15 centuries ago, it wasn't written like dat:

He is the Knower of the Unseen, Whom not an atom's weight eludes, either in the heavens or in the earth; nor is there anything smaller or larger than that which is not in a Clear Book.

Before scanners were made available, stages of the formation of embryo in their mother's womb were written in the Quran :

Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of FLESH bones, then We clothed the bones with FLESH, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators." (Al-Mu’minun: 14).....(medecine)

There comes forth from their (the bees’) bellies, a drink of varying colour wherein is healing for men. Verily, in this is indeed a sign for people who think.” (An-Nahl, 69)...(biology)

Allah is He Who created seven heavens, and of the earth the like of them. (At-Talak, 12)
With this verse, Quran emphasizes that the earth consists of layers as the sky does (Geology)

“We SENT DOWN iron, wherein is mighty power and (many) benefits for mankind…” (Al-Hadid, 25)...(chemistry)... i made bold 'sent down' so u can understand or make research on hw scientists discovered Iron on earth.


“It is He Who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit.” (Al-Anbiya, 33)....(astronomy)

AND FOR YOUR PROOF FOR THE TECHNOLOGY OF THE DAY OF JUDGMENT

"The earth with the mountains shall be lifted and crushed with one crash." (Qur’an 69:14)
I hope u understand that Nuclear Bomb like thing..

The circumference of our planet earth is about forty thousand kilometers, which is a distance that light, can travel seven times in one second.
200 billion stars, stars like the SUN can be found in a GALAXY,
And over 500 billion galaxies in a UNIVERSE, and it take this same 'fast light speed' about 150,000 years to travel tru a GALAXY, em nt talkin about Universe.... and God said in the Quran :"Your Lord is God Who created the heavens and the earth in six days."

Do you now see how easy it is to gather every human being? Wit wic technology of our time can all these be realised??

smartestrichie:
I wish u could understand how great God is. As high as the heavens are above the earth so are the ways of God higher than that of humans

Keep wishing. Urine is more useful than your so called god. Problem is you choose to just believe blindly. The op is right, why use books? Does it mean humans are smarter than god?

johnydon22:
The truth is Gods are always what humans say they are and every human society differs in technology and value expectations.

As man developed his Gods became increasingly more human and tend to be a perfect reflection of man.

Examples
-Man has a lustful need and admiration towards gold, gold is no more precious than every other element out there but the mind of man derives value and arranges things in order of how he loves or needs them.

Automatically since man loves gold and finds it the most precious of all, Gods too loved gold.
Don't you see heaven is a city made of gold and precious stones? Man's idea of precious metal is at an apex in gold so obviously he couldn't think of any other metals the gods could use more precious and beautiful than gold.
The bible is always talking about golden crowns, sashes and harps, its strikingly remarkable that the gods are also limited to the lust and value of that which man lusts and values.

- the era when these books were written was starkly primitive compared to now, there isn't any means of data storage better than the scrolls.
it was the peak of their information technology, so how can one from such era imagine a computer?

Of course the Gods must have been using paper.
One apologetic on this thread as usual wanted to re-imagine it this time to mean e-book therefore a computer necessary.

he forgot one thing

-The writer of the revelation also ate one scroll an angel gave him, you just can't eat an e-book believe me i have tried..lol.

- he is now re-assuming it from the technological stand point of his time, soon it will still change. future technology and information technology will be more advanced and better than ours.
then it will have to be reinterpreted again.

Humans say what and how the Gods behave which always reflects their own society and views.

-in the bible heaven was still using horses, swords and chariots.

this was because it was written in the era this technology ruled, it was fabricated by a mind only familiar with those crude techs.

if anyone comes out now and say the heavens are now using cars, planes and guns then sadly the heavens are dependent on man to develop and shows man and the gods are always developing together.

man is always modifying his Gods to suit his time...

Xenophanes (6th century BCE) famously
said that if cows and horses had hands, "then horses would draw the forms of
gods like horses, and cows like cows".

Pastor Jo (joagbaje) what do you have to say about this? The scroll that was eaten in heaven was it also an ebook or computer? Lol
Keep lying for god.
Everyone with basic sense can see the lies, it's no brainer that the bible is pure lies and imagination of men.

SmartMugu:
OP, please try not to blaspheme even if ure not religious. Some of your readers are religious and have reasons to react to certain things you said.

One that caught my attention was where you said "the mumu god..." Thats indeed uncalled for, no matter whatever you may have been reading.

Who even told you God wrote the bible himself?

Dude, I really think you're sick and need some healing.

Don't blame him for calling the god mumu, he was just calling a spade a spade. Blame the mumu people that could not invent a. Smart god

HardMirror:
Pastor Jo (joagbaje) what do you have to say about this? The scroll that was eaten in heaven was it also an ebook or computer? Lol
Keep lying for god.

Kikiki

shevi4mb:
The scriptures were made made thousands of years, and your fore fore fathers who prolly had no knowledge read about it. So imagine you talking about Tablet or Ipad thousands of years ago, who will understand? But stating in the scripture that every seconds of your life is recorded and will be played to you on the judgment day surpasses how many terabyte of memory jst for a person, not to talk of every human being on earth. We can never attain technological level in heaven

(On that Day, people will come forward in separate groups to be shown their deeds: whoever has done an atom’s weight of good will see it, but whoever has done an atom’s weight of evil will see that” (99:6-.)

talking about ppl dat used technologies far more advanced than what we have 2day (no new thing under the heaven). SEE Q9:69 *like that of those who lived before you, whose power, wealth, and children were much greater than yours. They enjoyed their share of the worldly gains and you, also, like them, have enjoyed yours.*....example is in the case of Q 34:12 (And to Solomon We subjugated the wind: its morning stride was a month’s journey and the evening stride was a month’s journey. )

If u'r a science student, you'l know that, until last century, scientist knew atom to be smallest indivisible and indestructible...but in this verse of about 15 centuries ago, it wasn't written like dat:

He is the Knower of the Unseen, Whom not an atom's weight eludes, either in the heavens or in the earth; nor is there anything smaller or larger than that which is not in a Clear Book.

Before scanners were made available, stages of the formation of embryo in their mother's womb were written in the Quran :

Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of FLESH bones, then We clothed the bones with FLESH, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators." (Al-Mu’minun: 14).....(medecine)

There comes forth from their (the bees’) bellies, a drink of varying colour wherein is healing for men. Verily, in this is indeed a sign for people who think.” (An-Nahl, 69)...(biology)

Allah is He Who created seven heavens, and of the earth the like of them. (At-Talak, 12)
With this verse, Quran emphasizes that the earth consists of layers as the sky does (Geology)

“We SENT DOWN iron, wherein is mighty power and (many) benefits for mankind…” (Al-Hadid, 25)...(chemistry)... i made bold 'sent down' so u can understand or make research on hw scientists discovered Iron on earth.


“It is He Who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit.” (Al-Anbiya, 33)....(astronomy)

AND FOR YOUR PROOF FOR THE TECHNOLOGY OF THE DAY OF JUDGMENT

"The earth with the mountains shall be lifted and crushed with one crash." (Qur’an 69:14)
I hope u understand that Nuclear Bomb like thing..

The circumference of our planet earth is about forty thousand kilometers, which is a distance that light, can travel seven times in one second.
200 billion stars, stars like the SUN can be found in a GALAXY,
And over 500 billion galaxies in a UNIVERSE, and it take this same 'fast light speed' about 150,000 years to travel tru a GALAXY, em nt talkin about Universe.... and God said in the Quran :"Your Lord is God Who created the heavens and the earth in six days."

Do you now see how easy it is to gather every human being? Wit wic technology of our time can all these be realised??

Keep deceiving yourself. Yet we have creative writers imagining future technologies that no one has ever seen and they were able to describe how it would look and function. It's obvious you don't read. Read sci-fi novels and see how the authors talk about the far future and how life would be then. So your excuse does not fly

geoworldedu:
This one gidi gan o.

On earth we are using COMPUTER to store trillions of information without even needing to touch some of them. Sometimes we speak to our computers and things are being done. Guys do you know that in heaven where god is sitting on his throne, where Muafrika2, Kingebukasblog and Joagbaje will be judged, they still don't know how to invent hi-tech machines. I can't imagine when I bought an exercise book to be writing things inside sef, where my tab dry with me?

But see the heavenly city where Joagbaje will be judged. Imagine what they are still using to store information:

Revelation 20:12
And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, [size=16pt] and books were opened. Another book was opened,[/size] which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done as recorded in the books.

See the mumu god sef, instead of coming to the earth to buy just one I-pad, the guy still dey make use of books, IMAGINE, THE BOOKS WERE OPENED. The guy had to write inside many books instead of using only a single IPAD of ordinary 1 megabyte internal memory. No need of external memory sef.

since it's only letters they're writing, it won't take much memory.



Hardmirror, Johnydon22, Hahn, Otemanuduno, Keandre, Ranchoddas, Kingebukasblog, Malvisguy, Ebiagtales, Philfearon, come o, food Don set

Look bros! We get ur point. The God concept is making u restless. Thanks for at least quoting a bible verse, it means so much to we religious folks but can you kindly carry reasonless atheists with you and disappear outta the religious section.

ifex370:
Atheist will be looking for any reason to get on Christians nerve..


No matter what you say.. How hard you try.. Yahwey remains God Almighty.. And Jesus re.aims Lord.. End of discussion

and Allah is mightier than Yahweh while Zeus is the mightiest

davien:
I've been asking theists why god needs a throne for ages now... does it get tired of standing?

When did it decide to make a sit when they say it was the only thing existing?

Where did it know anything talk less of everything if nothing existed before it?

How does it manage to be eternal without dependence on anything to achieve or maintain this?

How could it speak any language since it is the only thing there ever was? isn't language a common thing among groups of people?

What does it need nostrils for and how did it come by it when there wasn't anything to smell in existence?

It's questions like these many folks forgo when they invent and worship gods with human features and characters..

You have a brain, use it..

Bro...you are the real MVP...

lordnicklaus:
Look bros! We get ur point. The God concept is making u restless. Thanks for at least quoting a bible verse, it means so much to we religious folks but can you kindly carry reasonless atheists with you and disappear outta the religious section.

Why don't you just pray for god to stop atheists from disturbing nairaland? It answers prayers doesn't it?

This is the highest level of self-conceitedness

AdoptedSon:
You are annoying me. 'mumu god'. what are you, wretch?

..Eyah..
this one sound pained..

shevi4mb:
The scriptures were made made thousands of years, and your fore fore fathers who prolly had no knowledge read about it. So imagine you talking about Tablet or Ipad thousands of years ago, who will understand? But stating in the scripture that every seconds of your life is recorded and will be played to you on the judgment day surpasses how many terabyte of memory jst for a person, not to talk of every human being on earth. We can never attain technological level in heaven

(On that Day, people will come forward in separate groups to be shown their deeds: whoever has done an atom’s weight of good will see it, but whoever has done an atom’s weight of evil will see that” (99:6-.)

talking about ppl dat used technologies far more advanced than what we have 2day (no new thing under the heaven). SEE Q9:69 *like that of those who lived before you, whose power, wealth, and children were much greater than yours. They enjoyed their share of the worldly gains and you, also, like them, have enjoyed yours.*....example is in the case of Q 34:12 (And to Solomon We subjugated the wind: its morning stride was a month’s journey and the evening stride was a month’s journey. )

If u'r a science student, you'l know that, until last century, scientist knew atom to be smallest indivisible and indestructible...but in this verse of about 15 centuries ago, it wasn't written like dat:

He is the Knower of the Unseen, Whom not an atom's weight eludes, either in the heavens or in the earth; nor is there anything smaller or larger than that which is not in a Clear Book.

Before scanners were made available, stages of the formation of embryo in their mother's womb were written in the Quran :

Then We made the Nutfah into a clot (a piece of thick coagulated blood), then We made the clot into a little lump of flesh, then We made out of that little lump of FLESH bones, then We clothed the bones with FLESH, and then We brought it forth as another creation. So blessed be Allah, the Best of creators." (Al-Mu’minun: 14).....(medecine)

There comes forth from their (the bees’) bellies, a drink of varying colour wherein is healing for men. Verily, in this is indeed a sign for people who think.” (An-Nahl, 69)...(biology)

Allah is He Who created seven heavens, and of the earth the like of them. (At-Talak, 12)
With this verse, Quran emphasizes that the earth consists of layers as the sky does (Geology)

“We SENT DOWN iron, wherein is mighty power and (many) benefits for mankind…” (Al-Hadid, 25)...(chemistry)... i made bold 'sent down' so u can understand or make research on hw scientists discovered Iron on earth.


“It is He Who created the night and the day and the sun and the moon. They float, each in an orbit.” (Al-Anbiya, 33)....(astronomy)

AND FOR YOUR PROOF FOR THE TECHNOLOGY OF THE DAY OF JUDGMENT

"The earth with the mountains shall be lifted and crushed with one crash." (Qur’an 69:14)
I hope u understand that Nuclear Bomb like thing..

The circumference of our planet earth is about forty thousand kilometers, which is a distance that light, can travel seven times in one second.
200 billion stars, stars like the SUN can be found in a GALAXY,
And over 500 billion galaxies in a UNIVERSE, and it take this same 'fast light speed' about 150,000 years to travel tru a GALAXY, em nt talkin about Universe.... and God said in the Quran :"Your Lord is God Who created the heavens and the earth in six days."

Do you now see how easy it is to gather every human being? Wit wic technology of our time can all these be realised??

Ask yourself, when did this get into your Quran? I am not surprised because it is in the DOCTRINE OF THE UFOS that god(Satan) shall not cease to modify his doctrine.

DOCTUFOS:
Jasheb 5:16-28

16. And at the thirty-sixth generation shall Nymphidis(jehovah) think to modify his first words. Then shall he send Faulkin(jesus) into the world to make the modifications through peace and swords. For it shall begin with peace and end with swords. And these are they that shall by all means try to suppress knowledge by killing the children of Eartum who shall be blessed with the true knowledge of the universe.

17. And the words of Faulkin shall prevail for five hundred and seventy-one year, which to some is five hundred and seventy-five years. This is the beginning of the abomination of desolation that shall replace the daily sacrifice of Moussa which Nymphidis has commanded his followers to do to him, both in this world and in the world to come.
hen shall another word come.

18. This shall be the words of Murhamid, a reincarnate of Faulkin and a prophet of Nymphidis that shall conquer the earth with the use of swords during his own time.

19. And this shall not be ashamed like the first Faulkin who had sex secretly. But this shall do it in the open.

20. Then shall he use his violence to establish his words, according to the sayings of the divine knowledge of Knoliud.

19. And both the words of Faulkin and the words of Murhamid shall shape the world into a planet of perfect fear and trembling till a time when a prophet shall arise from the continent of Murmoh.

20. This prophet shall be unknown in the earth, for those who knew him in person shall not know him as the prophet. But those who knew him through the satellites shall be amazed.

21. And he shall begin the establishment of the doctrine of the real truth from the first day of the first month of the two thousand and sixteenth year of the death of Faulkin which others thought to be the two thousand and tenth year after the death of Faulkin.

26. And his doctrine shall not take root firmly until the two thousand, six hundred and twenty-fifth year after the death of Faulkin, which is to others the two thousand, six hundred and nineteenth year.


28. Now this truth shall be revealed in this world and in the world to come by an homo called Otem by those who knew him through the satellites.

lordnicklaus:
Look bros! We get ur point. The God concept is making u restless. Thanks for at least quoting a bible verse, it means so much to we religious folks but can you kindly carry reasonless atheists with you and disappear outta the religious section.

No vex bros, na yoke I dey yoke o. your god get power reach my dog. no vex bros.

Incorrect!

orunto27:
Incorrect!

prove me wrong.

HardMirror:
Pastor Jo (joagbaje) what do you have to say about this? The scroll that was eaten in heaven was it also an ebook or computer? Lol
Keep lying for god.
Everyone with basic sense can see the lies, it's no brainer that the bible is pure lies and imagination of men.

You know that animals(beast) full heaven. True true they can eat IPAD l am telling you, especially the APPLE IPAD like Adam and Eve the mummy and daddy of Joagbaje

davien:
I've been asking theists why god needs a throne for ages now... does it get tired of standing?

When did it decide to make a sit when they say it was the only thing existing?

Where did it know anything talk less of everything if nothing existed before it?

How does it manage to be eternal without dependence on anything to achieve or maintain this?

How could it speak any language since it is the only thing there ever was? isn't language a common thing among groups of people?

What does it need nostrils for and how did it come by it when there wasn't anything to smell in existence?

It's questions like these many folks forgo when they invent and worship gods with human features and characters..

You have a brain, use it..

Baba i badu u o.

johnydon22:
The truth is Gods are always what humans say they are and every human society differs in technology and value expectations.

As man developed his Gods became increasingly more human and tend to be a perfect reflection of man.

Examples
-Man has a lustful need and admiration towards gold, gold is no more precious than every other element out there but the mind of man derives value and arranges things in order of how he loves or needs them.

Automatically since man loves gold and finds it the most precious of all, Gods too loved gold.
Don't you see heaven is a city made of gold and precious stones? Man's idea of precious metal is at an apex in gold so obviously he couldn't think of any other metals the gods could use more precious and beautiful than gold.
The bible is always talking about golden crowns, sashes and harps, its strikingly remarkable that the gods are also limited to the lust and value of that which man lusts and values.

- the era when these books were written was starkly primitive compared to now, there isn't any means of data storage better than the scrolls.
it was the peak of their information technology, so how can one from such era imagine a computer?

Of course the Gods must have been using paper.
One apologetic on this thread as usual wanted to re-imagine it this time to mean e-book therefore a computer necessary.

he forgot one thing

-The writer of the revelation also ate one scroll an angel gave him, you just can't eat an e-book believe me i have tried..lol.

- he is now re-assuming it from the technological stand point of his time, soon it will still change. future technology and information technology will be more advanced and better than ours.
then it will have to be reinterpreted again.

Humans say what and how the Gods behave which always reflects their own society and views.

-in the bible heaven was still using horses, swords and chariots.

this was because it was written in the era this technology ruled, it was fabricated by a mind only familiar with those crude techs.

if anyone comes out now and say the heavens are now using cars, planes and guns then sadly the heavens are dependent on man to develop and shows man and the gods are always developing together.

man is always modifying his Gods to suit his time...

Xenophanes (6th century BCE) famously
said that if cows and horses had hands, "then horses would draw the forms of
gods like horses, and cows like cows".

The bolded is so brilliannt ....

SmartMugu:
OP, please try not to blaspheme even if ure not religious. Some of your readers are religious and have reasons to react to certain things you said.

One that caught my attention was where you said "the mumu god..." Thats indeed uncalled for, no matter whatever you may have been reading.

Who even told you God wrote the bible himself?

Dude, I really think you're sick and need some healing.

In Real life, this people will not let me sleep, with their noisy vigil, and their sick god which you sick guy is defending. Here's where I can give them back in their own coin. let me unleash my wrath upon their god here jare. Elias and Moses Pls join me on this MOUNT OF TRANSFIGURATION

I'm outta this thread. I don't want to end up twisted like many folks here.

smartestrichie:
I wish u could understand how great God is. As high as the heavens are above the earth so are the ways of God higher than that of humans

And who told you this ?

HardMirror:
If heaven was real and those visions of heaven were real, we would have read of amazing technologies not ever perceived by any man.

The fact that horses, chariots, books, swords etc are used in heaven shows that heaven is just the creation of the imagination of men. And men that are not even smart enough.

Star trek is a very old movie yet the writer of the movie was able to predict a lot of future technologies even the tablet.

why are the still using books to store information in even. What is amazing about heaven? NOTHING, earth is far more advanced than a heaven where swords are still being used.

Think, think for a minute, how can heaven be so outdated?

The simple answer is, those who wrote it could only create heaven as best as their present world could be.

so you basically hate heaven?

GloriaNinja:
so you basically hate heaven?

How can I hate something that doesn't exist?

geoworldedu:
In Real life, this people will not let me sleep, with their noisy vigil, and their sick god which you sick guy is defending. Here's where I can give them back in their own coin. let me unleash my wrath upon their god here jare. Elias and Moses Pls join me on this MOUNT OF TRANSFIGURATION

I am ur number one fan. Carry go!

HardMirror:
How can I hate something that doesn't exist?

how do you know heaven doesn't exist?

GloriaNinja:
how do you know heaven doesn't exist?

How do u know heaven exist?

HardMirror:
How do u know heaven exist?

the historical readings and the Bible. I believe God and heaven exist.

GloriaNinja:
the historical readings and the Bible. I believe God and heaven exist.

Interesting
So what historical readings are you talking about?
Don't forget there are historical accounts of reincarnation and hindus also believe there is no heaven only reincarnation and final rest of no existence.
So why are don't you believe in reincarnation afterall it also has historical accounts, many people who testify to be reincarnated, and a religion that follows the believe in reincarnation.

obviously, u should have realized DAT when Jesus came to earth to learn carpentry to build mansions in heaven

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