989900:

starting with helping the weaker states get a grip of themselves, before letting go.

It is a step that begets the Journey of a thousand miles...

When will the FG start helping or preparing "weaker" states?

If a state is weak and cannot sustain itself, it has no business being a state... In the world... It's the fittest that survive ... Why are we wasting funds and energy on "weak " states?

How will weak states become strong when we continue to pamper them for their weakness ... Look at the Educationally less developed states clause ... In the law was enacted in 1970s or so... Over 40 years, the same states, despite of the advantages accorded them are still educationally less developed in 2016!

When are they going to become developed

Is it right and fair that weaker states are tying down other states from moving on as fast as they can?

Shey because you neighour is driving 504 on the express means If you have range rover sport, you should park ur range rover at home or if u drive it, you must not overtake your neighbor?

The people who made laws for this country are very very stvpid

Zamfara is a less developed state... Ebonyi is less developed too... Ebonyi is willing to adopt federalism so she can better exploit her abakaliki rice, export it and use accrued revenue to build her needed infrastructure ... Zamfara is against federalism...

Is it right that Zamfara is tying down Ebonyi?

This situation is fvck up.

favouryemmy:

Follow the hash tag on Twitter #giveNigeriatruefederalism

way to go

erusen:
am a big fan of federalism,people that fight against all either stupid northeners or core buharist,is only in Nigeria where we fail to take the right decision because of greed and party affiliation

Already you have shown your stuff, true Federalism is not today, since obj time so why castigating the North or Buhari and why not GEJ?

oweniwe:


It is a step that begets the Journey of a thousand miles...

When will the FG start helping or preparing "weaker" states?

If a state is weak and cannot sustain itself, it has no business being a state... In the world... It's the fittest that survive ... Why are we wasting funds and energy on "weak " states?

How will weak states become strong when we continue to pamper them for their weakness ... Look at the Educationally less developed states clause ... In the law was enacted in 1970s or so... Over 40 years, the same states, despite of the advantages accorded them are still educationally less developed in 2016!

When are they going to become developed

Is it right and fair that weaker states are tying down other states from moving on as fast as they can?

Shey because you neighour is driving 504 on the express means If you have range rover sport, you should park ur range rover at home or if u drive it, you must not overtake your neighbor?

The people who made laws for this country are very very stvpid

Zamfara is a less developed state... Ebonyi is less developed too... Ebonyi is willing to adopt federalism so she can better exploit her abakaliki rice, export it and use accrued revenue to build her needed infrastructure ... Zamfara is against federalism...

Is it right that Zamfara is tying down Ebonyi?

This situation is fvck up.

A quick one...if you were the bigger state. Would you be willing to absorb the weaker state? Considering the economic implications..

DEAFandDUMB:


Thanks Dear... We are learning from eachother here.. Please can you throw more lights on the bolded from your submission..

Contract inflation is rife in the country, nepotism & favoritism. How many time you ever read/seen or heard a state governor give acc. of the huge security vote he receives. The governors who received bailout to pay salaries misappropriate the funds and no question were asked. The FG controls the police, yet some state executive use them for their selfish games. Etb etc.

some day, any how tru federalism wil b achieved in nigeria. dat z what nnamdi azikiwe was working after, wen awolowo refused. all region control ur resources. but now look @ what our economy has turn into. d disadvantages in tru federalism is, state dis unity, but 2 cub dis, rules and policies wil b put in place.

Dminister:
May be you should school me on this topic. Why wouldn't Alex Ekwueme advocated for true federalism when he knew it is the only way biafra could be achieved. if you think true federalism doesn't lead to regionalism then I see no reason why I should continue schooling one who is far from the language of political science.

Well, sir, I am not a political student! But I know little about politics

It is possible that True Federalism can lead to Secession but that could be managed!
The constitution that will be enacted can take care of that.

Definitely there is the bad side of Federalism!

Also, I think Nigeria is somehow too young as a democratic country to practice True fiscal Federalism!

lionshare:


That erroneous. It says you cannot pursue but it does not say you cannot stop, control or discourage corruption.

I would like to start a topic on the root cause and solution to corruption...

If you put yam in front of a goat, will it not eat the yam?

Immunity clause and free federal money iare the reasons why corrupt is reasons why corruption is rampart in nigeria

instead of receiving monthly allocation for doing nothing, Remove immunity clause and let states work for their revenue...

Den any politician well make he steal oe naira.

WILLIAMS10:



The purpose of this thread,I believe,is for us to learn an sharpen our hitherto understanding..That's d reason I took out time to explain both concepts(federalism and confederacy/"true federalism).
Federalism,if practised appropriately will unite and allay ethnic sentiments(due to a central government).on the other hand,confederacy will only highlight ethnic differences. We will become conscious of our echelon. Thereby,further polarising the country. Also,federalism,if anemic,will also heighten ethnic consciousness..the marginalised group will react and call for separation.
The truth does not change,only our knowledge of it does..Confederacy is tantamount to giving up our unity and oneness.

I must comend your great intellent Sir.. Please I would love to know what system of government are we practising presently in Nigeria and why is the system not working out...
At the bolded on your quoted submission, please Sir, from your explanations, confederacy is equal to giving up our untiy and togetherness.. But are we truely united? Or claimed to be united whereas we are all strange bed fellows.

lionshare:


Honestly if you are political scientist...please return your certificate. What do you call what USA is practicing? OH or you think NY is more powerful than the FG? why then do you think the rich sponsor politicians to Washington...If may ask who dictates the economic direction? why do you think the greenback has been on bullish lately?

I am ready to learn....i mean i would always bow to superior argument backed with facts and figures...

I can't teach you any further cos you are far from the knowledge of comparative politics.
comparative politics make one or a political scientist to figure why a particular system of government is successful in one country than the others thus being the reason why we compare. all political systems do not perform the same way others do. a failure of one system would make another system a success in another country.
we are operating federal system of government because there is the need for unity and oneness due to multiplicity of languages and ethnicity. so if we consider fiscal federalism then we should be ready for regionalism instead of patriotism. it can begin to pit one region against and take away the feeling of oneness therefore making each region prone to cessation.

oweniwe:


If you put yam in front of a goat, will it not eat the yam?

Immunity clause and free federal money iare the reasons why corrupt is reasons why corruption is rampart in nigeria

instead of receiving monthly allocation for doing nothing, Remove immunity clause and let states work for their revenue...

Den any politician well make he steal oe naira.

In my opinion that accounts for less than a percent of the root causes of corruption.

DEAFandDUMB:


Why do you think this present administration is against restructuring the system?? Their slogan is change and I strongly believe that if the masses can unanimously demand for true federalism, am sure the govt. will have no lesser option than to succumb...

You believe Buhari clan can sign up to restructuring of Nigeria toward fiscal federalism?

You must believe that the Niger River is in Australia.

Buhari merely struggles to sustain the extant political structure which has 20 new federating units and hundreds of local government areas proliferated in northern Nigeria by northern Nigeria soldiers.

What the soldiers did was akin to say, US soldiers from the south taking over the US government, divide southern US states like Texas and California into six states each, but divide other smaller northern US states into two or three only, and draw equal numbers of senators and House of Representatives members from the new states to the US Congress, collect revenues from the states and share the revenues to the new states; thus US south starts to gulp more of US earnings than the north.

Henceforth, through over-representation, politicians from the south of the US determine what must happen in the US.


That is like what northern Nigeria soldiers who created the 36 states and Abuja did in Nigeria.

Bottom line is that no federal country created new federating units from the old ones by use of land mass as criterion, as was done in Nigeria by northern Nigeria soldiers who created the states.

nkemjacob2:
some day, any how tru federalism wil b achieved in nigeria. dat z what nnamdi azikiwe was working after, wen awolowo refused. all region control ur resources. but now look @ what our economy has turn into. d disadvantages in tru federalism is, state dis unity, but 2 cub dis, rules and policies wil b put in place.

Hmmmmmm.."laws cannot change the mind,but will only restrict the heartless"..and in such cases as what U're opining,laws can be broken. Nigeria from inception has not had a single destiny..our erstwhile leader upheld this fact in both their comments and deeds..Frm awolowo(mere geographical expression)to Abubarkar...Even the colonialists themselves(Hugh Clifford) saw Nigeria as independent nations with different destiny..Now,that's our problem..the way we manage this disparity in destinies will mar or make us..if u say confederacy,U're surreptitiously seeking for a break-away..if u say federalism,U' believe in our unity against all odds stacked high up against us.

We either stand together as one or perish separately as fool.

lionshare:


A quick one...if you were the bigger state. Would you be willing to absorb the weaker state? Considering the economic implications..

Where were the weaker states created from?

Nigeria went from 3 regions to 4 regions and then 12 or so states to 23 states and to present 36!

If you revert everything back to 4 regions, nobody is going to die.

The same way they were sustaining themselves b4 they were split is the same same way they will sustain themselves if you merge them again

honestly without saying much words, d answer to Nigeria problem is true federalism, where every state strive to develop her region, not this fedro-unitary system of govt we are practising currently. God bless Nigeria

DEAFandDUMB:


I must comend your great intellent Sir.. Please I would love to know what system of government are we practising presently in Nigeria and why is the system not working out...
At the bolded on your quoted submission, please Sir, from your explanations, confederacy is equal to giving up our untiy and togetherness.. But are we truely united? Or claimed to be united whereas we are all strange bed fellows.

The issue of unity have been trashed out in my previous post..the amalgamation was and is faulty..our past leader also saw it that way..if fact we have really nudge forward in some ways..during the first republic,how many parties were really national?..AG created in 1951 was a western part..NCNC was eastern,NPC for the North..The leaders preyed on ethnic sentiments just for self-serving purposes.
Fast forward a bit,the reason why our federalism is not working is because it is sick and ailing..it's an extractive system;only feeding a few individuals(it has become a do-or die thing)..If only we can purge ourselves of greed,an inclusive system is a strong palliative.

Dminister:

I can't teach you any further cos you are far from the knowledge of comparative politics.
comparative politics make one or a political scientist to figure why a particular system of government is successful in one country than the others thus being the reason why we compare. all political systems do not perform the same way others do. a failure of one system would make another system a success in another country.
we are operating federal system of government because there is the need for unity and oneness due to multiplicity of languages and ethnicity. so if we consider fiscal federalism then we should be ready for regionalism instead of patriotism. it can begin to pit one region against and take away the feeling of oneness therefore making each region prone to cessation.

Comparative Politics...Why is it that all pol sys dont perform the same way? Have you considered the factors inherent in each system? Besides, so you think USA, Germany, India, Canada e.t.c, did not consider fiscal federalism before opting for federalism. Do you know the only major country claiming to be a con-federal state is Switzerland yet it has a strong central govt?

WILLIAMS10:



The issue of unity have been trashed out in my previous post..the amalgamation was and is faulty..our past leader also saw it that way..if fact we have really nudge forward in some ways..during the first republic,how many parties were really national?..AG created in 1951 was a western part..NCNC was eastern,NPC for the North..The leaders preyed on ethnic sentiments just for self-serving purposes.
Fast forward a bit,the reason why our federalism is not working is because it is sick and ailing..it's an extractive system;only feeding a few individuals(it has become a do-or die thing)..If only we can purge ourselves of greed,an inclusive system is a strong palliative.

Then the big question now is , which way forward??

oweniwe:


Where were the weaker states created from?

Nigeria went from 3 regions to 4 regions and then 12 or so states to 23 states and to present 36!

If you revert everything back to 4 regions, nobody is going to die.

The same way they were sustaining themselves b4 they were split is the same same way they will sustain themselves if you merge them again

Will you revert the population to the way its was. Pls be futuristic with your thoughts...

lionshare:


In my opinion that accounts for less than a percent of the root causes of corruption.

Do you know how many political organs are in Nigeria from federal to ward level? How many local government chairmen... How many councillors

Add federal and 36 states legislators... State and and federal ministries... Government parastals like Nnpc, Customs, Faan...

If you sue customs or nnpc will they obey court order?

Now multiply you. 1% times all these organizations.. senate, house of rep, 36 states house of assemblies... 774 LGAs... Thousands of councillors...How many federal and 36 states ministries... Over 5,000 people with political immunity... Now multiply that with your 1% ...

You see am?

oweniwe:


Do you know how many political organs are in Nigeria from federal to ward level? How many local government chairmen... How many councillors

Add federal and 36 states legislators... State and and federal ministries... Government parastals like Nnpc, Customs, Faan...

If you sue customs or nnpc will they obey court order?

Now multiply you. 1% times all these organizations.. senate, house of rep, 36 states house of assemblies... 774 LGAs... Thousands of councillors...How many federal and 36 states ministries... Over 5,000 people with political immunity... Now multiply that with your 1% ...

You see am?

I maintain that's still minute compared to the level of corruption done by me and you when collated...but the above sets the precedent

Like seriously, our opinions here, as differing and confusing as it is, where a word has different meanings to 2 or 3 people is a typology of what happens in national fora e.g National Assembly. That is the more reason making an headway collectively is an extraneous hard work!

Nigeria is just simply complex!

oweniwe:


Immunity clause in the constitution says you cannot sue, prosecute or charge a serving political office holder or his appointees to cour Until their tenure is over.

Is that Cameroon constitution or which one
Have you actually ever taken your time to acquire and read the constitution? Or like most ppl choose to be ignorant or you're just plain illiterate (cannot read)

Only governors and presidents are immune.
For some reason the constitution is missing a whole section on local govt electees and nobody is asking coz question

Appointees can be probed (was igp not prosecuted under obj?

You'll just hear some eediots on nairalaNd talking nonsense and you don't bother to crosscheck and you swallow hook line and sinker and yet you wonder why you are not a leader of tmrw

So if a governor like, he can eat 50billion... Nobody can touch him ... And after his tenure, he contest for House of rep or senate... And goes scott free with his loot.

It is the system ' s fault

please point to the place in your Cambodian constitution where reps are or senators are immune.


Farouk lawan nko?
Is saraki a senator.? (senate president fa)
Is he in court?
Is that immunity?
Can you read?
Do you read?
This is why the white man insists you must pass English at waec level but ppl complain that it is not our language and wonder why they keep selling themselves into slavery cos they can't read

So my dear brother

oweniwe:


Immunity clause in the constitution says you cannot sue, prosecute or charge a serving political office holder or his appointees to cour Until their tenure is over.

Is that Cameroon constitution or which one
Have you actually ever taken your time to acquire and read the constitution? Or like most ppl choose to be ignorant or you're just plain illiterate (cannot read)

Only governors and presidents are immune.
For some reason the constitution is missing a whole section on local govt electees and nobody is asking coz question

Appointees can be probed (was igp not prosecuted under obj?

You'll just hear some eediots on nairalaNd talking nonsense and you don't bother to crosscheck and you swallow hook line and sinker and yet you wonder why you are not a leader of tmrw

So if a governor like, he can eat 50billion... Nobody can touch him ... And after his tenure, he contest for House of rep or senate... And goes scott free with his loot.

It is the system ' s fault

please point to the place in your Cambodian constitution where reps are or senators are immune.


Farouk lawan nko?
Is saraki a senator.? (senate president fa)
Is he in court?
Is that immunity?
Can you read?
Do you read?
This is why the white man insists you must pass English at waec level but ppl complain that it is not our language and wonder why they keep selling themselves into slavery cos they can't read

So my dear brother it is not the system fault
You refused to read it's your fault

ogwuche4u:

federalism will divide Nigeria and Nigeria must not divide. The pioneers of Nigeria will always stand against. lets just forget federalism and embrace power at the center. God knows why he made Nigeria. we all need each other to survive. one blessed nation. all we need do is know the fact that death will come to us all one day and no man is immortal. with that at the back of our mind, fairness and equity, peace and progress will lead. we have what it takes to make Nigeria great but greed and corruption has eaten so deep into each and everyone one of us.

How can federalism divide Nigeria when the FG will still be in control of the military? So you want to keep running this backward system where tribalism, quota system and wicked injustice is the order of the day?... With this your reasoning, it's safe to say that Nigeria is cursed beyond redemption.

DEAFandDUMB:


Then the big question now is , which way forward??

Hmmmmm...U're the second person asking this sensitive question today..I've been mobbed by my students on this issue..earlier today I received a barrage of questions on issues plaguing Nigeria..I will keep saying the same thing.. We are the way forward..we either agree to live together of agree to leave...
The central government shld be more inclusive and ethnic-blind..This will help reduce tension and bring all regions into the system. Now another problem is our mutual suspicion and distrust..someone asked me today and I quote,"sir,can an Igbo man rule Nigeria?"..believe me,I strained my brain to answer this dicy question. The truth is,there's mutual distrust(especially North and East)..but we must manage it through inclusion

methodyk:
Land Act, as presently represented in Nigeria's warp Constitution; Resource Control, where d Govs. just sit and administer Salaries, without no plans on IGR

Land is under governor's control.
Only oil under the land is in fg control.
Can governor's plant Palm oyel or not? Cocoa or not? Tomato or not? Mine limestone or whatever non oyel mineral they have(dangote is hammering o you're making excuse for your govnor.

Is it not you that voted for salary sharing govnor.
You as you de now many of your. Salary have you invested in Agric or solid minerals. It's only oil on your mind ba.

lionshare:


I maintain that's still minute compared to the level of corruption done by me and you when collated...but the above sets the precedent

Okay sir... That precedent that set it... Let's deal with it

No more immunity clause and free federal allocation ... Let states work for their money...

Other forms of corruption will stop ...or reduce

engrhorla:
Like seriously, our opinions here, as differing and confusing as it is, where a word has different meanings to 2 or 3 people is a typology of what happens in national fora e.g National Assembly. That is the more reason making an headway collectively is an extraneous hard work!

Nigeria is just simply complex!

And that's the big puzzle we need to solve first.. We always agree to disagree... Lol..

DMerciful:
What did Fasola achieved in Lagos? He was highly overrated compared to the money at his disposal. Shey breeze don blow fowl shansh don open? Yeye dey smell!

Fashola was very very very overrated.
But I'm the land of the blind, the one eye man is king.
He never not paid salaries.
Even without Federal allocation for almost a year.
Over 100 I give Fash 2 but it is way better than other governor's with a score of minus 60.

And BTW 3 years still remain to do more than pdp.
In the absence of any other performer in left with no choice but to put my lot in with Fash. Too bad marwa is not an astute politician, maybe we would have some choice by now.

But if I can't have white I will manage grey instead of accepting black

erusen:
like I said Nigeria knows its solution but greed ,party affiliation won't let people admit the obvious, centre power is useless in federalism so trust our greedy politician to fight against it,USA practice this system of gonvernment

Nigerians have no clue what federalism is. Corruption and any system of government never works. This is why Nigerians are confused as to the meaning of federalism.

engrhorla:


Well, sir, I am not a political student! But I know little about politics

It is possible that True Federalism can lead to Secession but that could be managed!
The constitution that will be enacted can take care of that.

Definitely there is the bad side of Federalism!

Also, I think Nigeria is somehow too young as a democratic country to practice True fiscal Federalism!

why are some people afraid of secession? if any region wish to go so b it, after all it is not by force to stay together as one nation in this 21st century.