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Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Elliot2(m): 10:23pm On Jun 19, 2016
malvisguy212:
you have freewill to love God or hate him, God will not interfere in your decision,God know Adam will eat the fruit, but God did not interfere, it's a choice, abandon your favourite sin or continue, God will only give you pastors to advice you.
things don't happen randomly. outcomes r results of a structured actions. the soul that sins will die; the soul that does good will live- that's God's law of predestination. He has give us free will to chose the path to follow.
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Elliot2(m): 10:23pm On Jun 19, 2016
malvisguy212:
you have freewill to love God or hate him, God will not interfere in your decision,God know Adam will eat the fruit, but God did not interfere, it's a choice, abandon your favourite sin or continue, God will only give you pastors to advice you.
things don't happen randomly. outcomes r results of a structured actions. the soul that sins will die; the soul that does good will live- that's God's law of predestination. He has given us free will to chose the path to follow.
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Kennedyiheme: 10:33pm On Jun 19, 2016
Boboye4slim:
Wow you're such a big idiot. I'm not gonna reply you again. I'm 27, a university lecturer doing well for myself and those around me. Still you asking how I'm making a difference simply because I'm discussing religion. If you're not such a retarded fool in the first place, how do you think change comes about huh? Discussion forum like this fool!!! Where ideas and information can be shared. Or do you forget that the subject matter is actually some folks' area of specialization? Religion plays a major role in our world today and you think we shouldn't talk about it and just ignore it? You're dumb. You don't have to support religion before you can chip in. Take your stupidity elsewhere.
lol a university lecturer at 27? probably in your dreams, you can sure come on this faceless forum and dream big but live as a pauper.... your life is at risk with your mentality.... if being a lecturer is your biggest achievement, then you are a big idiot... lol lecturers still beg their students.... dont die a pauper with this your useless mentality sir..... how has religion helped nigeria as a country? is it boko haram, is it fulani herdsmen.....you are so stupid for a lecturer..... you are probably a secondary school teacher... i will curse your life this nite, you dont know me well.. reply me again and die tommorow in your sleep
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Elliot2(m): 10:33pm On Jun 19, 2016
michaelwestern:
OP where did you get the notion that God has programmed all the activities of men from? Please that is not the christian doctrine, it's what muslims usually say whenever something happens to them.

God did not make us as robots that must do what He wants. You have the free will to make a choice to sin or not to sin. God bless you.
like everything else that follows a pattern works by law. nothing happens randomly. God has programmed existence with a law-the soul that sins will die; the soul that does good will live. like a job interview, God knows the percentage to take, he already knows those to take. U can only wish u r among. And that wish means to strife. Since God plans alone, U neva know u kuld be among the chosen. to think that out of 10, 100 persons r applying makes it impossible for u to be among is not true. it only means u refuse to prove that u r d best for the job
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by greatessien(m): 10:38pm On Jun 19, 2016
my brother,the whole truth is that since Adam failed in creation,and sin came into the world,it became a spirit transfer until now.But christ came and die so that the works of the devil which is sin might be destroy in our so that we accepting as our personal lord and saviour and be save to escape the wrath of God and be Raptured to escape great tribulation.when you die and go to hell, you will not be told that God pragramme everything. DO WHAT IS RIGHT.MARANATHA(Jesus is coming very soon).Be prepared
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Elliot2(m): 10:44pm On Jun 19, 2016
SuperSuave:
but theres a saying that "nothing can ever happen without Gods knowledge" and Jesus knew judas was the one to betray him :s
Yes, nothing can happen without God’s knowledge. But since we don't know, de best we could predict is through our choices and actions. judas was predestined to betray Jesus, yes. But his choices brought it to fruition. there was no point in time Judas stopped being a rational mind. Even when he was told the prophecy, He rationed the 30 pieces of money over anything else.
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Elliot2(m): 10:50pm On Jun 19, 2016
gabazin080:
but dere is somewhere in d Bible dat says God knows everything nd can do anything. but ur words av contradicted that word of God
Yes, God knows everything. he predestined everything. despite that he still gave everyone a choice, and that choice is called rational mind. whatever action a man takes in the midst of several choices was as a result of his rationalisation of that choice over others. What God does is to set the outcomes just like it's written-the soul that sins will die; the soul that does good will live. these are facts and laws. U now have the choice to do good or bad.
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Elliot2(m): 10:58pm On Jun 19, 2016
michaelwestern:
Knowing is clearly different from programming. God didn't program people as robots to do what he wants but He does know what will happen in the future.

Everybody has the free will to do what he/she wants, God only knows the future he doesn't necessarily controls it.
knows and programming all fit in. it's like a car manufacturer, he knows that the car he has made kuld give pleasure for the driver or owner, and in a case of mishap it kuld cause pain- all what de driver could do is to follow de rules or safety guides. De manufacturer has programmed it to be both enjoyable yet fragile. he neva made it bulletproof to hazards. Now ur choice defines what u will get.
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by deolaarc(m): 11:14pm On Jun 19, 2016
Are you referring to predestination ?

I don't know why I can't believe in that.

Recall that some names were not written in the book of life from the foundation of the world.

God choose Israel through Abraham amongst other nations. God used Israel to destroy this other nations not even with a thought of calling them to repentance. God command their killings ,taking of their wives even virgins and slaughtering of innocent kids.
Now It is just unreconcilable how God now cares for the gentiles and we are now fed up with the FAITH talks.

Are or were the gentiles (we) not predestined for destruction ? Is the new testament deceiving us or what ?
The God -s of the old testament and of the New testament don't correlate at all .


Now what was in that book of life from the World's foundation ?

If you think predestination is right ,you just think of a deliberate action and then say it is not your fault but the program you are running on ?

I guess this Christian Jargon should be kept aside.
God Changes his methodology in New testament. Because isrealites hearts is too hard that was why God gave them comandments.In Old testament, the priest intercede for people in the holy of holy, people bring spotless lamb as an astonishment of their sins. He sent His son to the world to die for our sin, So we started enjoying Gods Grace, everything changes Methodology and Gods approach changes.
In Christainity, old things has passed away all things has become New. You are upright when you sin and you know you have committed a sin, and u feel guilty. God forgives you instantly if you ask for forgiveness of sin. The is more Grace available for you to do what is right, this is not by our human effort but The HolySpirit
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Adek15(m): 11:31pm On Jun 19, 2016
Elliot2:
things don't happen randomly. outcomes r results of a structured actions. the soul that sins will die; the soul that does good will live- that's God's law of predestination. He has given us free will to chose the path to follow.
I think what the op asked was does God know I would choose sin?
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by shamecurls(m): 1:31am On Jun 20, 2016
The worst mistake Africans made was believing in those Middle-East story books. shocked shocked shocked

Outright foolishness.

Believing a man in Israel or Saudi arabia died for your sins is far away Africa is the greatest height of foolishness.


Africans were brainwashed. Those books were colonization/Slavery tools.


Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Boboye4slim(m): 7:08am On Jun 20, 2016
Kennedyiheme:
lol a university lecturer at 27? probably in your dreams, you can sure come on this faceless forum and dream big but live as a pauper.... your life is at risk with your mentality.... if being a lecturer is your biggest achievement, then you are a big idiot... lol lecturers still beg their students.... dont die a pauper with this your useless mentality sir..... how has religion helped nigeria as a country? is it boko haram, is it fulani herdsmen.....you are so stupid for a lecturer..... you are probably a secondary school teacher... i will curse your life this nite, you dont know me well.. reply me again and die tommorow in your sleep
You don't have a drop of wisdom. You talk like a primary school kid. Wake up every morning and pray fervently for wisdom OK. Because if you're not so stupid, you'd know that Nigerian aren't getting rid of book haram by mere keeping quiet. It was by creating awareness and condemning extremist through forum like these. These kind of forum are places where the common man can voice his opinion.
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Kennedyiheme: 8:19am On Jun 20, 2016
Boboye4slim:
You don't have a drop of wisdom. You talk like a primary school kid. Wake up every morning and pray fervently for wisdom OK. Because if you're not so stupid, you'd know that Nigerian aren't getting rid of book haram by mere keeping quiet. It was by creating awareness and condemning extremist through forum like these. These kind of forum are places where the common man can voice his opinion.
top countries use skill and knowledge they've aquire over the years.....mm they produce fighter jets, drones, cars, choppers... they learnt these things.......all these things addso up and build their economy, all Africans know how to do is pray and pray, argue senseless about religion....... religion is a waste of time and brweds laziness, makes young people dull...... African countries are top 7 most religious countries in the world of which nigeria is among...... we are worse and we don't have electricity.... if you don't see an irony in this then you and 90percent of people in this forum need serious help..... since 1909 prayers and religion hasn't done anything for africa.....breeders alone had over 1000 parishes in Nigeria, funny, no single research institute, nigeria police don't even have a forensic science department.... Africa is trouble, nigeria is in bigger trouble
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Funkybabee(f): 9:01am On Jun 20, 2016
BABANGBALI:
shahahahahahahahahaha sister funke Fokoradi no sabi English o na only BEDminton she sabi grin grin
so what are u trying to say agent of Satan. are u trying to shey ur girl/sister sabi do rubbish as ashawo?, or what are u telling me.mind u don't quote me back because if u do so am going to report u to the abused u gave me

and for the Yoruba replied I made before∆
"I said it done pain u,that u want to cry" that's the meaning of what I said. and I know lala and seun u called upon would have cross check If I have vilify u.
so don't cry on me again if u don't know who real bitch are

#b£a€s¶∆d
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by MrCEO69(m): 10:19am On Jun 20, 2016
gabazin080:
lets look at the example of peter & judas.
christ knew and said peter wil deny him thrice before morning and it happened. so is peter to be blamed for that sin.
he told the disciple that one of them will sell him. and i believe he knows the person is judas. now that judas sold him, so is judas to be blamed for fulfilling the prophecy of jesus since he already knows and its been written.
cus if he didn't plan 4 urs 2 sin @ dis minute and we did, den it means we av spoiled his plans. and dat he doesn't know all dat will apun 2 us.

so i think we are destined to sin
what is d diff in the two cases? When one sin it does mean u should kill ur sef...
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Elliot2(m): 10:28am On Jun 20, 2016
Adek15:
I think what the op asked was does God know I would choose sin?
sure,God knows. by Matt Slick

God knows the future of what the free-will creatures choose. Free will does not stop becoming free because God knows what will happen. For example, I know that my child will choose to eat chocolate cake over a bowl full of stinking dead mice. If I were to set them both before my child, it is safe to say she will not eat the dead mice. Knowing this is not taking away the freedom of my child since she is freely choosing one over the other. Likewise, for God to know what a person will choose does not mean that the person has no freedom to make the choice. It simply means that God knows what the person will choose. This is necessarily so since God knows all things (1 John 3:20). Besides, if a person were to choose A instead of C, then that is what God would have known would happen.

Furthermore, if God knows all things and knows what we are going to choose, then by definition, we are still making the choice; after all, the argument says that God knows what "we are going to choose". If we are going to "choose something", then we really are making the choice -- otherwise it wouldn't be logical to assert that God knows what we are going to choose. Choice implies the ability to decide between different options. Again, by definition if God is knowing what we are going to choose, then He knows what we are going to choose between options... otherwise we are not choosing anything and the statement is illogical.
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by MrCEO69(m): 10:28am On Jun 20, 2016
Ok op, see it dis way, God know all the route that leads to the diff market! Here those route are ur diff choices which lead to diff market, so any one u choose He know the end of it. Peace! Freewill is the best gift from God! But it also costing us...
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Elliot2(m): 10:29am On Jun 20, 2016
gabazin080:
i used to hear people say dis always. when something happened you see people say its GOD, that God knows about it. they say he already knows and has programmed everything that will happen to humans. if this is true then it means if I sin now he already knows I will. it means he already knows I will create this topic today. it also means am not @ fault for any sin I commit because he has already programmed my activities and know I will sin.
I asked my boss who happens to be a pastor dis question and his reply didn't answer my question. so nairalanders I want your views on this. is it true GOD has known everything that will happen to us
by Matt Slick

God knows the future of what the free-will creatures choose. Free will does not stop becoming free because God knows what will happen. For example, I know that my child will choose to eat chocolate cake over a bowl full of stinking dead mice. If I were to set them both before my child, it is safe to say she will not eat the dead mice. Knowing this is not taking away the freedom of my child since she is freely choosing one over the other. Likewise, for God to know what a person will choose does not mean that the person has no freedom to make the choice. It simply means that God knows what the person will choose. This is necessarily so since God knows all things (1 John 3:20). Besides, if a person were to choose A instead of C, then that is what God would have known would happen.

Furthermore, if God knows all things and knows what we are going to choose, then by definition, we are still making the choice; after all, the argument says that God knows what "we are going to choose". If we are going to "choose something", then we really are making the choice -- otherwise it wouldn't be logical to assert that God knows what we are going to choose. Choice implies the ability to decide between different options. Again, by definition if God is knowing what we are going to choose, then He knows what we are going to choose between options... otherwise we are not choosing anything and the statement is illogical.
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Barezzi(m): 11:01am On Jun 20, 2016
Elliot2:
Yes, God knows everything. he predestined everything. despite that he still gave everyone a choice, and that choice is called rational mind. whatever action a man takes in the midst of several choices was as a result of his rationalisation of that choice over others. What God does is to set the outcomes just like it's written-the soul that sins will die; the soul that does good will live. these are facts and laws. U now have the choice to do good or bad.
God already knows ALL the set of choices i'll make in the course of exercising my freewill.
I am responsible and accountable for the choices i make, but God knows them all...
God already knows ALL those that will make heaven or hell. He knows the sum-total of actions every human being will take.

Does God intervene at anytime to change the outcome??

Now i'm confused angry
Since God already knows ALL the choices an individual will make, why appeal to the sinner that is destined for destruction??
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Boboye4slim(m): 11:12am On Jun 20, 2016
Kennedyiheme:
top countries use skill and knowledge they've aquire over the years.....mm they produce fighter jets, drones, cars, choppers... they learnt these things.......all these things addso up and build their economy, all Africans know how to do is pray and pray, argue senseless about religion....... religion is a waste of time and brweds laziness, makes young people dull...... African countries are top 7 most religious countries in the world of which nigeria is among...... we are worse and we don't have electricity.... if you don't see an irony in this then you and 90percent of people in this forum need serious help..... since 1909 prayers and religion hasn't done anything for africa.....breeders alone had over 1000 parishes in Nigeria, funny, no single research institute, nigeria police don't even have a forensic science department.... Africa is trouble, nigeria is in bigger trouble
Isn't that the reason forum like this was created to make people realize we're wasting too much time on religion. As a non scientist, who can't invent or create a machine or whatever, I can at least create awareness in forums like these for the need to stop being unnecessarily religious! Do you think I'm supporting religion here? Hell no I'm not! Religion made us lazy and dependent on unrealistic hope. Made us inactive and weak. Made illogical and careless. So I'm not supporting it. What I'm saying is you can't start calling me a lunatic for voicing my opinion either you are in support or against it. You can't cure religion fanatism until you understand the fanatic and forums like these gives the opportunity to do just that
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by Elliot2(m): 11:44am On Jun 20, 2016
Barezzi:
God already knows ALL the set of choices i'll make in the course of exercising my freewill.
I am responsible and accountable for the choices i make, but God knows them all...
God already knows ALL those that will make heaven or hell. He knows the sum-total of actions every human being will take.

Does God intervene at anytime to change the outcome??

Now i'm confused angry
Since God already knows ALL the choices an individual will make, why appeal to the sinner that is destined for destruction??
lol. Am not sure that u will stop being optimistic in a job interview cos u r told only 30 persons will be chosen out of d lot of 100 interviewees. Of course the company knows those to take by their standards. Even if it is a planned interview and u r not told about that, u will be optimistic to make it. at the end, they won't apologise to u even if ur name didn't come out. U can only reason that u weren't the best. likewise God, he doesn't plan with anyone. He hasn't told u personally u will go to hell, only ur choices determines it. so if u fail to live justly n u find ur self in hell, will u blame Him n say cos he already condemned u before? u failed to be the best to be among the chosen 30!
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by BABANGBALI: 6:33pm On Jun 25, 2016
Funkybabee:
so what are u trying to say agent of Satan. are u trying to shey ur girl/sister sabi do rubbish as ashawo?, or what are u telling me.mind u don't quote me back because if u do so am going to report u to the abused u gave me

and for the Yoruba replied I made before∆
"I said it done pain u,that u want to cry" that's the meaning of what I said. and I know lala and seun u called upon would have cross check If I have vilify u.
so don't cry on me again if u don't know who real bitch are

#b£a€s¶∆d
funky adoko ku your oyinbo no get part two. Ibon ni lau lau tongue
Re: Am I Destined To Sin As God Already Knows What I Will Do Next? by cloudgoddess(f): 3:04pm On Jun 26, 2016
Kennedyiheme:
top countries use skill and knowledge they've aquire over the years.....mm they produce fighter jets, drones, cars, choppers... they learnt these things.......all these things addso up and build their economy, all Africans know how to do is pray and pray, argue senseless about religion....... religion is a waste of time and brweds laziness, makes young people dull...... African countries are top 7 most religious countries in the world of which nigeria is among...... we are worse and we don't have electricity.... if you don't see an irony in this then you and 90percent of people in this forum need serious help..... since 1909 prayers and religion hasn't done anything for africa.....breeders alone had over 1000 parishes in Nigeria, funny, no single research institute, nigeria police don't even have a forensic science department.... Africa is trouble, nigeria is in bigger trouble
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