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Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Jozzy4: 1:24pm On Jun 26, 2016

MKO4ever:
in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God. Jesus was the word and therefore Jesus is God

@ bold, U mean God was with God ?

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Jozzy4: 1:30pm On Jun 26, 2016

Horlufemi:
Speaking of Jesus' Second Coming,
Matthew 24:36 (and Mark 13:32 ) tells us, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”
When Jesus spoke these words to the disciples, even He had no knowledge of the date and time of His return. Although Jesus was fully God ( John 1:1 , 14 ), when He became a man, He voluntarily restricted the use of certain divine attributes ( Philippians 2:6–8 ). He did not manifest them unless directed by the Father ( John 4:34 ; 5:30 ; 6:38 ). He demonstrated His omniscience on several occasions (cf. John 2:25 ; 3:13 ), but He voluntarily restricted that omniscience to only those things God wanted Him to know during the days of His humanity ( John 15:15 ). Such was the case regarding the knowledge of the date and time of His return. After He was resurrected, Jesus resumed His full divine knowledge (cf. Matthew 28:18 ; Acts 1:7 ).
Matthew 24:36 clearly states that the Father alone knows when Jesus' return will be. Verses such as John 5:30 ; 6:38 ; 8:28-29 ; 10:30 ;
12:49 ; 14:28 , 31 ; and Matthew 26:39 , 42 demonstrate Jesus' submission to the Father as well as their Oneness in the Godhead. Yes, they are both God. But some things Jesus had apparently chosen to "give up the rights" to be privy to during His earthly ministry (see
Philippians 2:5-11 ). Jesus, now exalted in Heaven, surely knows all, including the timing of His Second Coming.

Just listen to yourself , How can the Almighty God be restricted from knowing the end because he came in form of a man ? Does it mean flesh has power over him ?

ONLY the Father knows ! Period

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Horlufemi(m): 2:03pm On Jun 26, 2016

Jozzy4:
Just listen to yourself , How can the Almighty God be restricted from knowing the end because he came in form of a man ? Does it mean flesh has power over him ?

ONLY the Father knows ! Period

Philippians 2:6-8 NLT
Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. [7] Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form, [8] he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal's death on a cross.

I hope you understand.

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by diablos: 2:19pm On Jun 26, 2016

MKO4ever:
in the beginning was the word, the word was with God, and the word was God. Jesus was the word and therefore Jesus is God

Really? Whoever gave u dt translation ws definitely high on purple

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Nobody: 2:24pm On Jun 26, 2016

Horlufemi:
Speaking of Jesus' Second Coming,
Matthew 24:36 (and Mark 13:32 ) tells us, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”
When Jesus spoke these words to the disciples, even He had no knowledge of the date and time of His return. Although Jesus was fully God ( John 1:1 , 14 ), when He became a man, He voluntarily restricted the use of certain divine attributes ( Philippians 2:6–8 ). He did not manifest them unless directed by the Father ( John 4:34 ; 5:30 ; 6:38 ). He demonstrated His omniscience on several occasions (cf. John 2:25 ; 3:13 ), but He voluntarily restricted that omniscience to only those things God wanted Him to know during the days of His humanity ( John 15:15 ). Such was the case regarding the knowledge of the date and time of His return. After He was resurrected, Jesus resumed His full divine knowledge (cf. Matthew 28:18 ; Acts 1:7 ).
Matthew 24:36 clearly states that the Father alone knows when Jesus' return will be. Verses such as John 5:30 ; 6:38 ; 8:28-29 ; 10:30 ;
12:49 ; 14:28 , 31 ; and Matthew 26:39 , 42 demonstrate Jesus' submission to the Father as well as their Oneness in the Godhead. Yes, they are both God. But some things Jesus had apparently chosen to "give up the rights" to be privy to during His earthly ministry (see
Philippians 2:5-11 ). Jesus, now exalted in Heaven, surely knows all, including the timing of His Second Coming.

Contradictions @Underlined Can U Tell Me Were In The Gosple Of Mathew Mark And Luke Were Jesus Said He Was God I Mean He Used His Mouth To Say It??

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by MrPresident1: 2:31pm On Jun 26, 2016*

Jesus is God.

The time of the second coming of Christ is probably the only thing God did not reveal to His son, if He did, Christ would have written it down as he did other prophecies.

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Horlufemi(m): 3:46pm On Jun 26, 2016

Lilbrown007:
Contradictions @Underlined Can U Tell Me Were In The Gosple Of Mathew Mark And Luke Were Jesus Said He Was God I Mean He Used His Mouth To Say It??

John 17:5 NLT
Now, Father, bring me into the glory we shared before the world began.

Philippians 2:6-8 NLT
Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to. [7] Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form, [8] he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal's death on a cross.
I hope you understand.

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Pseudonymous: 3:59pm On Jun 26, 2016*

First of all, Let's look at John 1 vs 1(KJV);

IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The above passage doesn't say who the Word was but John 1 vs 14 (KJV) does;

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

Jesus goes further to say in John 10 vs 30(KJV);

I and my Father are one.

The Bible goes on to say in 1John 5 vs 8(KJV)

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holyghost: and these three are one

In my opinion; God is made up of three persons of different ranks and different works..

SHALOM!

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Horlufemi(m): 4:12pm On Jun 26, 2016

Jozzy4:
U mean God was with God ?

John 1:1 NLT
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God(Having all the qualities that make God God).

Simplified.

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by blueAgent(m): 10:51am On Jun 27, 2016

Bible says Jesus is one with the Father. thus they are of the same origin( they were not created beings)
They have the same objective and vision .
But no where did the Bible say they are equal,God is higher he is the Almightly .the all sufficient and everlasting God.Jesus is the son of God. he is mightly, but never attributed any of his praise or ability to himself.
Jesus himself prayed to God. he did God's will. but God cannot pray to any other being .he is the highest that have and would ever exist.

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Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Jozzy4: 11:29am On Jun 27, 2016

Horlufemi:
Philippians 2:6-8
Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to . [7] Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form, [8] he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal's death on a cross.

I hope you understand.

this prove he is not the Almighty God, since he didn't think of equality with God @ underlined. then Trinity is wrong for putting him in a position he himself never cling to, hope you understand ?

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Jozzy4: 11:35am On Jun 27, 2016

Horlufemi:
John 1:1 NLT
In the beginning the Word already existed. The Word was with God, and the Word was God (Having all the qualities that make God God).

Simplified.

if Jesus have all the qualities that make God God, why then didn't he know the end ?

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by elveco: 11:45am On Jun 27, 2016

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
1:2 The same was in the beginning with God.
1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
1:4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
1:5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.

Colossians 1:15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence. 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;

John 14:8 Philip saith unto him, Lord, shew us the Father, and it sufficeth us.
14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, Shew us the Father?

But the bitter truth is - Mark 4:11-12

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Pseudonymous: 1:01pm On Jun 27, 2016

Jozzy4:
this prove he is not the Almighty God, since he didn't think of equality with God @ underlined. then Trinity is wrong for putting him in a position he himself never cling to, hope you understand ?

Read this

Pseudonymous:
First of all, Let's look at John 1 vs 1(KJV);

IN the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

The above passage doesn't say who the Word was but John 1 vs 14 (KJV) does;

And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth

Jesus goes further to say in John 10 vs 30(KJV);

I and my Father are one.

The Bible goes on to say in 1John 5 vs 8(KJV)

For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word, and the Holyghost: and these three are one

In my opinion; God is made up of three persons of different ranks and different works..

SHALOM!

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Nobody: 9:55pm On Jun 27, 2016

ettaetta:
If Jesus was God, why did He not know when He would return?"

many Christians firmly believe that Jesus is God, But
Speaking of Jesus' Second Coming, Matthew 24:36(and Mark 13:32) tells us, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.
Any bible Scholar here should throw more light on this.

the right question should be:if Jesus knows the day of the rapture will he tell me/you/us.

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Horlufemi(m): 7:59am On Jun 28, 2016

Jozzy4:
if Jesus have all the qualities that make God God, why then didn't he know the end ?

He needed to die a human being. do you even know God? his glory? a spirit being cannot die you know.

Philippians 2:6-8
Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to . [7] Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form, [8] he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal's death on a cross.

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Horlufemi(m): 9:26am On Jun 28, 2016

Jozzy4:
this prove he is not the Almighty God, since he didn't think of equality with God @ underlined. then Trinity is wrong for putting him in a position he himself never cling to, hope you understand ?

1. Trinity doctrine is bullshit.

2. Jesus is God's son by birth. to scare you Jesus is the God of the old testament. He is I AM.

3. Only a Creator can redeem the created. Angel's can't. A man may only redeem a man but a Creator would redeem infinity number of the created. Jesus is creator who created everything. Jesus is God

4. Multiple references in the Bible of God and God. Observe. Hebrews 1:8, Gen 19:24

are u a jw

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Jozzy4: 9:53am On Jun 28, 2016

Horlufemi:
1. Trinity doctrine is bullshit.

okay

2. Jesus is God's son by birth. to scare you Jesus is the God of the old testament. He is I AM.

who is knocking ? , I replied " I AM" . then have become the God of old testament, its so plain how ridiculous u guys go to defend your absurdity

anyway, take this fine reference telling you Jesus is not the God of old testament.

"The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, the God of our fathers, has glorified His servant Jesus,
the one whom you delivered and disowned in the presence of Pilate, when he had decided to release Him." - Act 3:13

there you have it, Jesus is the servant of the God of Abraham ( or old testament as u say ) .

3. Only a Creator can redeem the created. Angel's can't. A man may only redeem a man but a Creator would redeem infinity number of the created. Jesus is creator who created everything. Jesus is God

oga, show me one single place where Jesus is called CREATOR ?

4. Multiple references in the Bible of God and God. Observe. Hebrews 1:8, Gen 19:24

are u a jw

and your point is ? didn't heb 1:9 showed that Jesus have a God , that clearly proves he is not the Almighty

the Almighty can not have a God!

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Jozzy4: 9:57am On Jun 28, 2016

Horlufemi:
He needed to die a human being. do you even know God? his glory? a spirit being cannot die you know.

Philippians 2:6-8
Though he was God, he did not think of equality with God as something to cling to . [7] Instead, he gave up his divine privileges; he took the humble position of a slave and was born as a human being. When he appeared in human form, [8] he humbled himself in obedience to God and died a criminal's death on a cross.

if Jesus have all the qualities that make God God, why then didn't he know the end ? that's the question

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Horlufemi(m): 10:04am On Jun 28, 2016

Jozzy4:
if Jesus have all the qualities that make God God, why then didn't he know the end ? that's the question

The simple answer is he was not told and that doesn't make him less God. shikena

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Horlufemi(m): 10:10am On Jun 28, 2016

Jozzy4:
if Jesus have all the qualities that make God God, why then didn't he know the end ? that's the question

The simple answer is he was not told and that doesn't make him less God. shikena

He dropped his divinity, became man but keeps communication with the Father by prayer.

Bro read the Bible by topic you will understand. Jesus' central message was the kingdom of God. It will come, I guarantee it

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Jozzy4: 10:25am On Jun 28, 2016

Horlufemi:
The simple answer is he was not told and that doesn't make him less God. shikena

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Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Horlufemi(m): 10:39am On Jun 28, 2016

[quote author=Jozzy4 post=47003485][/quote]A simple logic a child would understand is hard for you.

You are simply missing the basics. In your free time do a research this time sincerely pray for God to make you understand.

I won't reply to this again.

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Jozzy4: 11:13am On Jun 28, 2016

Horlufemi:
A simple logic a child would understand is hard for you.

You are simply missing the basics. In your free time do a research this time sincerely pray for God to make you understand.

I won't reply to this again.

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Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by tartar9(m): 1:29pm On Jun 28, 2016

Horlufemi:
Speaking of Jesus' Second Coming,
Matthew 24:36 (and Mark 13:32 ) tells us, “No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father.”
When Jesus spoke these words to the disciples, even He had no knowledge of the date and time of His return. Although Jesus was fully God ( John 1:1 , 14 ), when He became a man, He voluntarily restricted the use of certain divine attributes ( Philippians 2:6–8 ). He did not manifest them unless directed by the Father ( John 4:34 ; 5:30 ; 6:38 ). He demonstrated His omniscience on several occasions (cf. John 2:25 ; 3:13 ), but He voluntarily restricted that omniscience to only those things God wanted Him to know during the days of His humanity ( John 15:15 ). Such was the case regarding the knowledge of the date and time of His return. After He was resurrected, Jesus resumed His full divine knowledge (cf. Matthew 28:18 ; Acts 1:7 ).
Matthew 24:36 clearly states that the Father alone knows when Jesus' return will be. Verses such as John 5:30 ; 6:38 ; 8:28-29 ; 10:30 ;
12:49 ; 14:28 , 31 ; and Matthew 26:39 , 42 demonstrate Jesus' submission to the Father as well as their Oneness in the Godhead. Yes, they are both God. But some things Jesus had apparently chosen to "give up the rights" to be privy to during His earthly ministry (see
Philippians 2:5-11 ). Jesus, now exalted in Heaven, surely knows all, including the timing of His Second Coming.

Lol how did you write this with a straight face grin

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by Horlufemi(m): 1:41pm On Jun 28, 2016

[quote author=Jozzy4 post=47004968][/quote]I'm so ashamed.

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by tartar9(m): 1:55pm On Jun 28, 2016

chiedu7:
I recommend you guys all go seek Jesus who is alive.
Your mohammed is DEAD & BURIED! [/b][/color]

lol they know they can never compare a crucified god to Allah(SWT),so they are content in comparing that supposed God to a mortal human.It shows the level you have placed your god.

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by chiedu7: 2:22pm On Jun 28, 2016

tartar9:
lol they know they can never compare a crucified god to Allah(SWT),so they are content in comparing that supposed God to a mortal human.It shows the level you have placed your god.

Sorry bro but Jesus rose from the dead and went to heaven in the FULL VIEW of His followers.
That's why Jesus is coming back.

HE LIVES

Acts 1
9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.

10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;

11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

Mohammed on the other hand died, buried and is not coming back.

Mohammed did not even know what will happen to him after his death,
some prophet he is.

Notice that the end of ur so called prophet is unknown with his followers
Sura 46:9 "I am not something original among the messengers, NOR DO I KNOW WHAT WILL BE DONE WITH ME OR WITH YOU(MUSLIMS)."

CHRISTIAN ARE PROMISED HEAVEN

John 3:
16] For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

17] For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.

18] HE THAT BELIEVETH ON HIM IS NOT CONDEMNED: BUT HE THAT BELIEVETH NOT IS CONDEMNED ALREADY, BECAUSE HE HATH NOT BELIEVED IN THE NAME OF THE ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD.

Sorry bro, you can't compare Jesus with 6yr old marrying mohammed. grin

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by tartar9(m): 2:28pm On Jun 28, 2016

chiedu7:
Sorry bro but Jesus rose from the dead and went to heaven in the FULL VIEW of His followers.
That's why Jesus is coming back.

HE LIVES

You mean your 'God' once died.

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by chiedu7: 2:36pm On Jun 28, 2016

tartar9:
You mean your 'God' once died.

Did you not read He came to die for the sins of you and I, even mohammeds?

John 1:29
The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith,
Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

He laid down His life and took it up again,
that shows POWER. grin

John 10:17
Therefore doth my Father love me, because I lay down my life, that I might take it again.

Now your allah cannot common heal the blind let alone save mohammed.

SURA 8:22
Lo! the worst of beasts in Allah's sight are the deaf, the dumb,

SURA 2:17-18
Allah taketh away their light and leaveth them in darkness, where they cannot see, Deaf, dumb and blind.

THE CHRISTIAN GOD HEALS THE BLIND, DEAF & DUMB

Matthew 15:
29] And Jesus departed from thence, and came nigh unto the sea of Galilee; and went up into a mountain, and sat down there.

30] And great multitudes came unto him, having with them those that were lame, blind, dumb, maimed, and many others, and cast them down at Jesus' feet; and HE HEALED THEM.

My brother follow Jesus who is alive and can heal. cheesy

Re: If Jesus Was God, Why Did He Not Know When He Would Return?" by tartar9(m): 2:41pm On Jun 28, 2016

chiedu7:
Did you not read He came to die....bla bla bla [/color]

You are simply reaffirming my point- Your god once died...How can God die huh

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