₦airaland Forum

Religion is not the problem majority of people are religious because of poverty and troubles, religion is a result not the cause of the problems. Our inability as Africans to create a culture of innovation and education is the issue, people steal, exploit religion for their personal benefit because there is scarcity and they lack solutions and they lack faith in others to innovate and come up with solutions

Governments cannot direct most of budget to schools and infrastructure because they do not believe that will solve the fundamental problems of scarcity and poverty. Our lack of faith in ourselves is why we are in this mess. mass religion is just a result of this

Have you read these your holy books??

The abrahamic religions are by enlightened standards evil. Very evil

You should be asking why is there any decency at all in our societies

ojun50:
Many nigerian go to church without understanding the purpose of it. 80 percent of Nigerians go to church healing nd Miracu

If they understand then the purpose is failed.

johnydon22:
Being religious is not synonymous to being moral, morality is about "actions" not about beliefs.

It's a human institute birthed by societal expectations and should be fueled by Love, compassion, pity, sympathy, family, concern for others other than selfish religious reasons.

Religions idea of morality is basically a form of coercion, employment of a threat and reward system, if you are good because you want to make heaven, it's not goodness in essence since your intent is for the reward and not because you care - that is selfishness.

If you are good because you fear and want to avoid hell, still not goodness since the reason why you are doing it is because you just want to save your own skin and avoid punishment - that is selfishness not goodness.

be good for goodness sake, it makes the world less an assshole.

it is hardly goodness if human ethics are roped around such greedy coercive religious concepts - though i agree some humans needs to be on a leash to be ethical.

But if we humans cannot find reasons to be good to others [like Love, compassion, concern] but need to be coerced and threatened by hell and heaven into being good then humanity is a sorry lot indeed.

Morality is neither muslim, Christian or Hindu, Morality is human. it belongs to no ism and neither is it dependent on any book, creed or supernatural for foundation, it has a human foundation.

I'm sorry i don't get the angle you're coming from...

There was a time you bring up different analogies trying to explain the concept of morality from societal perspective as a against what religion uphold. Similarly were things you wrote up there. My point is, do you mean because of the name 'christian', anyone identify by that name can never be good for goodness sake but rather selfish for the reward of heaven or fear of hell?

uncjay:
I'm sorry i don't get the angle you're coming from...

There was a time you bring up different analogies trying to explain the concept of morality from societal perspective as a against what religion uphold. Similarly were things you wrote up there. My point is, do you mean because of the name 'christian', anyone identify by that name can never be good for goodness sake but rather selfish for the reward of heaven or fear of hell?

Nope one can be a christian, muslim, hindu and be good for goodness sake, i am sure there lots who do.

the point addresses the majority who cannot unwed their view of morality from their ultimate desired fantasy and dreaded threat of torture.

johnydon22:
Nope one can be a christian, muslim, hindu and be good for goodness sake, i am sure there lots who do.

the point addresses the majority who cannot unwed their view of morality from their ultimate desired fantasy and dreaded threat of torture.

There is no majority , even children , no one does that . You are the one making things up . No one is being good because he wants to go to heaven or fear hell . Did you even pay attention to what you wrote

Na wa oo

KingEbukaNaija:
There is no majority , even children , no one does that . You are the one making things up . No one is being good because he wants to go to heaven or fear hell . Did you even pay attention to what you wrote

Na wa oo

Do you read a different bible? Or You deliberately shut the door of your reason every time you pick up that story book called bible? I don't understand.

Busayorafael:
Do you read a different bible? Or You deliberately shut the door of your reason every time you pick up that story book called bible? I don't understand.

You dont understand ? I mean how would you understand when you have no door of reason . Johnydon22 claims Christians do good just to make heaven when no one ever does that . You atheists just make up stuff just to besmirch Christianity and then claim to be intellectually superior .

That's stupidity

KingEbukaNaija:
This is simple . Nigerians are ostensibly religious people .

There are other deeply religious countries that have better standards of living . The first two countries with the lowest poverty rates - Taiwan and Malaysia - in the world are deeply religious . In fact they are submerged in the ocean of diverse religions .

There are three main problems in Nigeria I think need to be tackled:

1. High illiteracy rate : Education counteracts ignorance . Being educated provides opportunities to set goals , give a purpose of living , pursuit of success , be creative , innovative etc . The bible clearly says that people perish for lack of knowledge - this is evident in Nigeria . You cant have the illiterates preponderant and expect to develop or grow as a nation . We need to tackle the illiteracy level in Nigeria by building more schools , making education free or easily affordable , focus also on providing adult education - you know to carry everyone along .

2. High unemployment rate : The idle man is the devil's workshop - if there are good jobs out there , people won't capitulate to the temptation of crime or vices . Their minds would be preoccupied with being useful in their area of service . The terrorism/militancy will be abated if there are jobs for these guys to do .

The minimum wage should also increase to provide a better means of survival in the country .

3. Leadership problems :

a. Nigerians make very poor choices of leaders .

b. Ethnicity and religion still play active roles in electing our leaders /influence our electoral behaviour .

c. Nigerians with better leadership qualities are not encouraged to contest for positions so that they'd extricate the country from the difficult problems she is facing . We need to develop a system that would galvanize the right people into joining politics and flush the bad eggs out - the anti-graft agencies are doing a good job on that though .

d. Our leaders peculate funds , are avaricious , are corrupt and do not channel the required efforts into seeing that we develop as a nation . We have a president who gallivants with no economically viable plan for his travels . He vacillates , makes poor choices and Nigerians are the victims !

SEE!! There you have it in black & white.... APPLAUSE!! Master Ebuka is a very intelligent fellow when thinking straight.... Man, just look at that....

The precis of this yarn is to exclude religion as the problem of Nigeria and tackle the real monsters . People abjuring their beliefs will yield no result - its otiose . If everyone in Nigeria becomes an atheist will the problems magically go away ? In fact , the problems - crime rate , sexual violence , corruption , vices - will become intractable because religious beliefs restrain people from doing those and suppress any morally depraved tendencies .

...... Although, something tells me such golden moments never last long... ( is that mere suspicion or an actual fact now staring me in the eye?!!)...

otemanuduno:
I keep saying it (Jehovah/Allah) which they worship in our country is the Satan everyone have been talking about. Anywhere where Satan is reigning, trouble is always there. Go and check how many people died in a stampede in Saudi Arabia and how Israel the country of Jehovah(Satan) is always in a state of unrest. The ministers of Satan like Muafrika2 and Goddys and Mrzenographer an Petelsiekongni are ready to curse anytime you are not following their jehovristic/satanistic ideas. Funny enough, their curses cannot pull a string of guitar, let alone cut a mould of eba from the plate of eba.

I AM OTEM, THE REVEALER OF REVERAD, THE FATHER OF JEHOVAH.

ur own madness no be here . U cause Jehova still u re his father . Ur mumu no be here.

whitestar01:
ur own madness no be here . U cause Jehova still u re his father . Ur mumu no be here.

I didn't say I am the father of Jehovah.
Now read carefully...

I AM OTEM
THE NAME OF GOD IS DOMINO REVERAD, THE FATHER OF JEHOVAH.

otemanuduno:
I didn't say I am the father of Jehovah.
Now read carefully...

I AM OTEM
THE NAME OF GOD IS DOMINO REVERAD, THE FATHER OF JEHOVAH.

Pls, who is this ur fake god?
When did u discover him?
Is he greater than my ALMIGHTY GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST? mtchew smh!

KingEbukaNaija:
You dont understand ? I mean how would you understand when you have no door of reason . Johnydon22 claims Christians do good just to make heaven when no one ever does that . You atheists just make up stuff just to besmirch Christianity and then claim to be intellectually superior .

That's stupidity

Lol.
You are always quick to tag dissent with atheism. Nawa o. Anyway, I'm sorry if l was offensive with my previous post.

Because contrary to what religious people like to argue, religion does not make people better, not long-term at least. Religion tries to regulate behavior via external motivators - like the promise of heaven, or various "blessings".

But social psychology shows that true good will comes from an intrinsic desire to be good. To relate to other human beings in a caring way for no reason other than wanting to live in harmony & show kindness. If a person does not have this (many Nigerians do not), then religion, if it has any effect at all, will only temporarily motivate good deeds & behavior.

whitestar01:
Pls, who is this ur fake god?
When did u discover him?
Is he greater than my ALMIGHTY GOD AND HIS SON JESUS CHRIST? mtchew smh!

My God is he who created the universe with a BIG BANG.
my God created all gods, e.g Eartum, Jehovah, Vishnu, Odin, Jupiter, Mercury, etc.
My God gave the course of the whole universe to nature, but his sons, especially jehovah began to interfere with nature.

Fast and pray, perhaps your god jehovah will tell you the truth about this.

I AM OTEM, HE WHO IS HERE TO REVEAL THE TRUTH IN ALL THE HIDDEN SCROLLS.

otemanuduno:
My God is he who created the universe with a BIG BANG.
my God created all gods, e.g Eartum, Jehovah, Vishnu, Odin, Jupiter, Mercury, etc.
My God gave the course of the whole universe to nature, but his sons, especially jehovah began to interfere with nature.

Fast and pray, perhaps your god jehovah will tell you the truth about this.

I AM OTEM, HE WHO IS HERE TO REVEAL THE TRUTH IN ALL THE HIDDEN SCROLLS.

Which truth are you talkin about? You are deluded.