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| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by tonychristopher: 9:19pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
omojie:Your correct ..you just mentioned the name of edo migrants the way Santos in Lagos is name of Brazilian migrants But wait do ika speak benin or igboid dialect |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Ojiofor: 9:41pm On Jun 23, 2015 |
tonychristopher:My brother just let this guys be as their opinion means absolutely nothing. Their leaders knows where they belong and that is what matters.Challenging these deniers from one thread to another doesn't make sense in my opinion. |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by PabloAfricanus(m): 12:27am On Jun 24, 2015 |
omojie:Hahahaha....you reek of deeeeeeeeeeeep inferiority complex! Just like all your deluded and lying elders! Yep I said it. Same old self-deceiving trick of highlighting Bini words, practices and influences, while forgetting over 80% of what you show to the world is clearly Igbo. You cleverly leave out the fact that the names most Ikas bear ARE PREDOMINANTLY IGBO NAMES like Ifeanyi, Amaka, Emeka etc. You see, I have studied enough of the languages and dialects in the East to know that they are very very diverse. I actually thought I could pick out Igbo words until I heard Aguleri and Nsukka people talk, or maybe you have not heard Ebonyi folks talk. I'm sure you would agree that those people can claim not to be Igbo if you hear them talk. Informed people tell me the Igbo spoken in Anioma is by far closer to Central Igbo than the Igbo spoken in Imo state! So what gives? How come? Why are you folks so pained over this Igbo issue? Generation after generation you hold on to Igbo language, Igbo traditions...while pretending to be Bini people. I'm not even going to bother telling you what the Binis think about you lots. Its confusing really. And why the Bini obsession? What's up with the whole fascination with everything Bini? If you have Bini influences in your kingship traditions and socio-cultural setup...does that make you Bini people? Bini is just a stone throw from Ika and borders Ika land. You should never had anything Igbo in your midst if you are truly sons of Bini princes...that would be a disgrace to the ancient Bini empire. At the least Bini migrants should be speaking an EDO DIALECT like the Afenmais and Ishans. No Edo speakers have anything Igbo in their language or culture. Prove me wrong. Even the Eletu Odibos, the Obanikoros, the Elekos in Lagos can trace their family tree name by name, generation by generation to even the family compound in Bini. There is no hidden history or controversy about origins unlike you messed up pretenders. Here you are a proud Bini man telling the world you speak a hybrid of edo and igbo!!. What happened to your great and superior Bini tongue? You left it for the inferior and rejected Igbo language? A proud edoic people practicing iwa gi/ji? Wetin na? Are Igbos that powerful? Like seriously, your great and mighty and superior Bini traditions gave way to inferior Igbo cultures? On one hand you fought against Bini hegemony and have a long history of rebellion against the Obas of Bini, on the other hand you are actually Bini people...who came from Bini...but somehow speak an Igbo dialect, bear Igbo name and all that! One Ika writer even was shameless enough to attribute it to "language dynamics"!! Haba!! What are we to believe? Are you folks so ashamed of your obvious Igbo ancestors? Lets take a look at the names of Ikas two current famous faces, the CBN governor and Delta state governor. What is Bini about Ifeanyi Emefiele or Ifeanyi Okowa? Are they not proud Bini Ikas any more? Why are they bearing Igbo names? Out of fear of the Igbos or maybe the Igbos forced their fathers to adopt those names after they traded at the Afor or Eke market day at Umunede or Agbor? What is the meaning of Emefiele in Edo? Okowa you know means "man from Owa"...where is the Bini in that? Go ahead and tell me they are not "real" Ikas. Or Okowa is actually "Okhiowa" like some claim EzeChima is actually "Ikhime". You niqqas are just pathetic. Its one of 3 things.... 1) Ikas are a Bini people who migrated from Bini but met Igbo people on ground and over time acculturated and now speak a mixture of Igbo and Bini. 2) Ikas are Igbos who migrated from Igbo mainland but met Bini people on ground and over time acculturated and now speak a mixture of Igbo and Bini. 3) Ikas are made up of a mixture of Igbos and Bini people who migrated to Ika land at different times and over time borrowed from each other's culture and language and now speak a mixture of Igbo and Bini. Be aware of the following though... [b]If you pick 3...that means the Igbos were the natives and hosts to the Bini migrants cos your spoken language is PREDOMINANTLY an IGBO dialect. The core Igbo roots across Anioma is still very strong TILL TODAY! And that also means the Bini migrants in Ika are a very very small minority who acculturated quickly and just retained some Bini surnames like Iwerebor, Edobor, Obaigbena etc. If you pick 2...that means you are just Igbo people who were influenced by Bini socio-cultural practices. Cos all of those Bini style ish you guys have is JUST BORROWED. You know, Bini people know, everybody knows it...so don't go there. If you pick 1...your entire argument and claims then is ENTIRE VOID AND NULL...cos history defeats your claims till tomorrow. If you didn't pick any...and claim that the language Ika people speak is just "similar" to Igbo because of trans-Atlantic Afor market day trading going on between the hinterland inferior Igbos and the superior Bini Ikas, then you truly deserve my apologies for dissing you...as your case of delusion and inferiority complex needs help.[/b] Your call. |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by omojie: 1:52am On Jun 24, 2015 |
please Mr Igbo translate the ika language that i wrote in my article and from what you wrote iwu ozuor le obolo, that's what u are. 2. ika people know who they are and we have decided that long ago ,if you like continue to fool your self . 3. ika people have never claimed to be benins but we acknowledged our blood line with them and we also have blood line with igbos but i think many igbos are still suffering from i know it all syndrome and that is the reason why they always run into trouble with their neighbours and they also lack respect for others , or how can you sit in your villages or harmlet that Europeans helped to build and tell an ika man who his farher is ? 4. igbos should thank europeans for forming the igbo ethnicity , the igbo ethnic group did not exist 250 years ago ? and for your informAtion it was not formed by God but by british who brought some people together under igbo ethnicity. 5. rhe yorubas claim oduduwa as their ancestor please tell me who is the ancestor of the igbo? they dont have one ancestor , the only thing they have is ,it seems this town is speaking a close language then they are igbos ,what a sad situation , rhats why they speak with different voices on critical issues 6. igbos can pretend that they dont know that ika people bear benin names or what a nation filled with propaganda , let me tell you majority of ika people have benin surnames.even if an ika is ifeanyin okafor .if you trace his grand father or great grand farhers name it will be an edo name 7. are you not aware that the owner of zenith bank ,jim ovia is ika with a benin name ,? are you not aware that the owner of thisday newspaper is nduka obaigbena and obaugbena is an edo surname , while first name nduka is igbo ,are you not aware of ehiabor osaigbovour , or steven osagie the obi of akumazi is an ika with benin name or Dr emmanuel efeizomor is obi of owA.,he has a benin name .but it seems you can only see when an ika man is okafor ibe .that means you are blind to reality. 8. right now history is history and we are aware of how people migrated into ika from both edo and igbo areas but we are ika ethnic group ,different from igbo or benin.the igbo people should show maturity and respect ikas for who they are , instead of their dumb arguwment that ika is igbo. itsekiri speak a language close to yoruba ,isoko is close to uhrobo language , ishan is close to benin language yet benins dont shout thar ishan is benin , neithet do yorubas shour that itsekiris are yorubas and uhrobos dont shout that isokos are uheobos just on the account that their languages are sumilar, i dont know why most igbos cant show this kind of matured attitude ? finally mr igbo ,am still waiting for to translate ogen edei oku hun ri a ri. pls translate it , dont run away frim it and also tell me the words that are igbo and those that are not ? ? |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by PabloAfricanus(m): 3:24am On Jun 24, 2015 |
omojie:Pained much? Hahahahaha ![]() It appears you are not very intelligent. I do not have to be Igbo to discuss Nigerian history...neither do I have to be Ika/Anioma/Igbo to join in the discussion. I'm just very interested in this particular history...its rather intriguing observing the claims and counter claims from both sides. Anyway, you avoided my questions...why? ![]() Why should I answer your questions first? If Ikas are Binis or Igbos or Fulanis...it adds no drop to the ocean. The sun will still rise tomorrow...so quit your self-flattery...you are not that important. And I dont think anybody is CLAIMING anything, or other people for that matter. You give the impression that the Igbos want to take over Ika land and chase you people out, or maybe by claiming Ika land, they will suddenly claim all the diamonds, gold, silver and crude oil in Ika land. I am quite conversant with Eastern Nigeria to know the Owerri people do not encroach on the lands of the Orlus or Okigwes. I also know the Onitsha people do not claim the Idemilis or Nris. Same goes for the Abribas, Ohafias and Aros. They all generally mind their business and recognize they all share a common heritage under the Igbo umbrella. Where you folks got the idea that pointing out that Ikas speak an Igbo dialect and practice Igbo customs...is equivalent to Igbos CLAIMING Ika...is just silly and childish. You are the ones creating all the confusion. Why are you Bini people still having Igbo stuff in your midst? The really interesting part of this story is that the Binis totally ignore both you Ikas and the Igbos. They have never acknowledged your mythological kinship with them. ![]() Maybe your Ika elders have forgotten that part of your history...that the Binis know exactly who you folks are. If you are Bini migrants....they know. If you are Igbo people...they also know. And not just the Binis...but the Igbos also have been dealing with you folks before the colonial masters. They know the language they use in communicating with you. They too know exactly who you are and where you come from...I hope you remember that. Its like your childhood friend who grew up with you till you became a man suddenly claiming he grew up in Russia. You'd call him out real quick. You folks should take a chill pill and quit with the inferiority complex. Its sickening. ![]() And lest I forget... omojie:...is pure Owerri dialect. Bet ya didnt know that. Atleast I know the "ibu" and "iwu" differences. And I know the folks in Asaba going down would have used "ibu ozuor". Question to you folks still remains....how come? Meanwhile...@ozuor & obolo...back at ya. ![]() Peace bro. |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by coolitempa(f): 9:53am On Jun 24, 2015 |
Ika.....ikwere.........Anioma.......are not ibos n can never be.... ![]() |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by SonOfEl(m): 11:32am On Jun 24, 2015 |
I have ika friends who are proudly Igbo. my lecturer in my campus days is agbor and she proudly asserts her igboness. so damn the op and his ilks. |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by cjrane: 11:40am On Jun 24, 2015 |
rexbuton:[size=15pt]As you may know, I am an Asaba man. Can you truthfully claim Agbor and Asaba people are one and the same people? I believe you are not Ika at all, if not you will have known about the political awakening and assertive spirit of our people today in Nigeria. Take off your thinly veiled mask, you are a Yoruba or an Edo man coming here to twist issues you know next to nothing about. Your disguise to claim Ika is betrayed by your gross lack of knowledge about us, so stop your pretense. You are not fooling anyone.[/size] |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by omojie: 5:50pm On Jun 25, 2015 |
1. you are avoiding the issue of translation , please mr igbo , translate that ika language for us the only word you know there is iwu , which can be likened to the igbo word ibu , but what is obolo and ozuor ? from which language did they come from ? please tell us ? 2. ika and asaba are not the same , we have different cultures and traditions, although because we live in same geo-political zone we share some things in common , and we are aniomas , thats the occomnality between ika and asaba? 3. ika has an ancient kingship starting from 12th century , asaba has a recent kingship , that is not to belittle the great kingdom of asaba . 4. ika has three levels of chiefs - town,palace and hereditory chiefs. 5. ika perfomes igue and ibiewere as the end of the year festival . 6. ika language is quite different from asaba language , ika language is called ika , while asaba speaks differently , although asaba language shares some semblance to ika but they are different and some ika people speak a different language called oza language . 7. as for your information get a book called a short history of benin , you will know what benins call ika people , they call us eka. 8. the benins have at a time in 1930 , laid claims to ika and we refused , then came the igos in 1967 , we also refused . 9. we dont need igbo people or any other person to tell us who we are , we are ika ethnic group and that is it . 10. ika is a great nation as you have seen our resilience in how we became governor of delta state , at a time , many people thought that delta north or an anioma cannot be governor . 11. an ika person is always proud of our heritage , of our royal blood , we are not subject to any body , even the great benin empire had lots of problems as our fore fatherswaged wars against them . 12. as of today we are ika ethnic group , different from igbo or benin. 13. the word igboid group , means languages that can be classified or related to that group, it does not mean ika is igbo. uhrobo and isoko are classified under edoid group of languages but it does not mean isoko is benin or edo , it only means their languages are some how similar to edo . itsekiri language can be classified as yoruboid , along with igala group but tsekiri and igala are different ethnic groups , different from yoruba . 14. the only places you will see some ika peolple who claim to be igbo are towards the borderline of ika in the eastern axis around igbodo and ekwuoma , but they will all claim to be from agbor , when you meet them outside of ika land , but you will never see a person from agbor, owa, umunede, abavo,akumazi, igbanke, idumu-esah, ute-okpu and others claiming to be igbo , they will tell you that they are ika people.that is why this minority could not sway our votes to support biafra during the civil war , as majority will always have their say . finally , i advice any igbo person or their simpathysers not to come near ika with their igbo agenda as ika people are too independent for that none sense. ika is ika and igbo is igbo . |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Feraz(m): 10:07pm On Aug 03, 2015 |
coolitempa:How come most people here confuse y'all for Igbos? How come those from Asaba, some Ikas and some Ukwani people say they are Igbos? What about the Ikwerres - you bear Igbo names and have similar language but claim you aren't Igbos? Please, simply answer this question for me: why do other parts/sections of the country confuse y'all for Igbos? The same cannot be said of the Efik, Annang, Ibibio, Ijaws (I'm not saying they're Igbos oh before someone says I'm laying claim to a people knowing how Nairaland is) etc but the Ikas, Ikwerres and Aniomas. Bear in mind that the Igbos do not force their identity on the above but the above keep denying it. Why is that? PabloAfricanus, I want to make reference to a post you made about Ojukwu not including Delta state in Biafra. Please, where did you get the information from? Does it mean over the years, we have been fed lies about him wanting to take Delta state? Thanks. |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by SUNNYsparkle: 7:11pm On Jul 06, 2016*. Modified: 7:35pm On Jul 06, 2016 |
rexbuton:At what time did Agbor indigenes start answering Igbo names like Emeka and Chukwu Ebuka, having names of towns and villages as Agbor nta, Ali prefixes in. their villages names, Ekuku etc. Why is Agbor dialect mutually understandable to the. Ishiagu's, Akaeze's of Ebonyi and some Nsukka people. You wrote Bini phrases as Ika but that's not Ika, there was an Obi of Agbor before inferiority complex made you change it to Dein. And to sum it up in your write up, You rightly and deemed it fit to describe or is it call Ika "Proto Igbo - Bini". Now for your information, that your subgroup of Ika is close to Bini doesn't make you Bini. In Enugu State, Nsukka people behave more like their Benue neighbors, While in Anambra Northern they behave more like Igala, Also in Abia state Sub groups close to Cross river adopted Cross river culture, even in my mother's Clan "Arochukwu" they speak Efik, Ibibio, Ekoi and Igbo, they have Ekpe and Ekpo societies, they make use of Cross River Nsibidi sign language and have a Powerful monarchy similar in pattern as those of the Calabar areas. That doesn't make them Cross River people. You just exposed yourself that you are a foreigner in Agbor. The last time I checked Ika is not Edoid Culture/Language area but Igboid, so go back to Edoid since you are from there. Edoid doesn't include Igboid culture/language area. Teacher don't teach us rubbish!!! |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by SUNNYsparkle: 7:24pm On Jul 06, 2016*. Modified: 7:40pm On Jul 06, 2016 |
omojie:You sound so foolish. Why don't you depend more on academic work, research, findings, quoted authorities. You are talking about oduduwa, which is a legend and folklore. Igbo origin is an academic work and more sophisticated than all these these your aimless, lazy unacademic stories of origin |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by SUNNYsparkle: 8:04pm On Jul 06, 2016 |
omojie:Before the migrations you refer to recklessly, Ika area had been identified as Igbo culture area and not Edo culture area. Meaning it was Igboid before Edo elements started creeping in. Please stop writing Edo language and calking it Ika. You can't and will never rewrite the history of Igbo which has been studied , researched and documented word over. That you came from Edo to Igboland doesn't make the land you are Edoid. Researchers, Ethnologists and anthropologists have done their works on these. Sorry, there's nothing you can do to rewrite it despite your resentment, hate and denials. You are no authority. By the way, I did my Youth Service at Agbor, and I know there are several Nkwerre villages and settlements in Agbor. Please do more of academic work |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by SUNNYsparkle: 8:32pm On Jul 06, 2016 |
omojie:So which ethnic group was in Igboland before the 250 years ago, and where did the Igbo who you said migrated to agbor come from and what date? Remember we are making do with the 250 years you were claiming as if you were born then and alive then, talking with ignorant daft authority. So God did not create Igbo land but the British. So who created Yoruba, Edo, Hausa, Fulani? God or mornarchs? Who created England, God or the Romans? You see how stupid and lousy, loose and gaga you can go to vomit unintellectual gabbages |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by chukzyblingz(m): 9:05pm On Jul 06, 2016 |
SUNNYsparkle:You just revived a dead thread quoting everybody and saying nonsense. He wrote ika language but as an average igbo man, you'll say he wrote Edo because you don't understand it. |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by SUNNYsparkle: 9:42pm On Jul 06, 2016 |
chukzyblingz:If you insist he wrote ika dialect which I can't understand, then that's the same way, an Aguleri man or Nsukka man or Abiriba man or Egbema man or Ndoki man, or Ezaa man or Afikpo man or Akaeze man or Arochukwu man will write his own dialect and I will not also understand. Actually, you contributed nothing apart from depicting a horrendous, notorious of cyclical haggard and uncoordinated case of academic dementia |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by SUNNYsparkle: 9:44pm On Jul 06, 2016 |
chukzyblingz:If you insist he wrote ika dialect which I can't understand, then that's the same way, an Aguleri man or Nsukka man or Abiriba man or Egbema man or Ndoki man, or Ezaa man or Afikpo man or Akaeze man or Arochukwu man will write his own dialect and I will not also understand. Actually, you contributed nothing apart from depicting a horrendous, notorious cyclical haggard and uncoordinated case of academic dementia. Arrant rubbish!!! |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by DLioness(f): 3:25am On Jul 07, 2016 |
rexbuton:so y did u opine that ojukwu did nt add anioma /ika in his map? |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by laudate: 11:04pm On Jul 08, 2016 |
SUNNYsparkle:@the bolded part... in Anambra North, there are distinct indigenous Igala communities that are NOT Igbo and yet they are full natives of Anambra. They do NOT behave like Igala, they are proudly Igala!! So free your mind! |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Igboid: 11:11pm On Jul 08, 2016 |
laudate:And this is supposed to be a new information? Get out! Towns like Ossomala, Nzam, Obeagwe, etc are proud Igbos, yet with Igala influences, that's what the writer was alluding to. Why is it that you cursed edoids can't stay off Igbo matters? |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by laudate: 12:47am On Jul 09, 2016 |
Igboid:Where exactly did the previous poster mention Ossomala, Nzam, Obeagwe?? Point it out in black & white! And who are the cursed edoids that you are referring to? You must have been making reference to yourself! I forgot that cursed edoids was your middle name! |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Igboid: 12:59am On Jul 09, 2016 |
In Enugu State, Nsukka people behave more like their Benue neighbors, While in Anambra Northern they behave more like Igala, Anambra North. Ossamala, Obeagwe, Nzam, etc are all in Anambra North and are all Igbo speaking towns with Igala influence. They are the Igbos he was referring to. |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Igboid: 1:01am On Jul 09, 2016 |
laudate:And where did he speak anything about the Igalas in the Anambra Kogi border? But you rushed to tell us about that, like we don't already know. You Edoids should mind your own business and stay away from Igbo matters. |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by laudate: 1:19am On Jul 09, 2016 |
Igboid:Stop chanting the word edoids like a broken record. We all know it is your middle name. The poster said Anambra North, and mentioned that the people who live there behave like Igalas. He did not say anything about the specific towns you mentioned, but you had to rush in like a misguided train to insert stuff he did not even allude to, in order to feel important. ![]() He never mentioned the Anambra-Kogi border either, he specifically said "Anambra North," get it?? And there are bonafide, indigenous Igala communities inside Anambra North. Hug a transformer, if the fact offends you too much, Mr. Edoid!! |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by Igboid: 1:29am On Jul 09, 2016 |
laudate:You are another deluded Edoid. "In Enugu State, Nsukka people behave more like their Benue neighbors, While in Anambra Northern they behave more like Igala, Also in Abia state Sub groups close to Cross river adopted Cross river culture, even in my mother's Clan "Arochukwu" they speak Efik, Ibibio, Ekoi and Igbo, they have Ekpe and Ekpo " It's obvious that "they" the writer was referring to are Igbo speaking groups at the borders of Igboland territories with non Igbo speaking people, he gave examples of Nsukka and Aros. Only a deluded Edoid would interpret his use of "they" in the case of Anambra North zone, to mean non Igbo speaking Igala settlements there, when it's obvious he was talking about Igbo speaking groups with Igala influence. |
| Re: The Politics Of Ika And Ndigbo : Unearthing Facts by laudate: 12:22pm On Jul 09, 2016 |
Igboid:Why do you keep referring to yourself as a deluded Edoid? Anyway, that's your problem, not mine. You want us to believe that you were inside the mind of the writer when he made that comment? Guy, your delusion knows no bounds. Why not let the writer himself clarify what he meant by using the term "they"? You just had to jump in to reveal your delusions and rabid hate. You are so pathetic! |
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