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My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by bravolad(m): 10:44pm On Jul 08, 2016
Good evening Nairalanders,

I decided to share my experience of buying a car from Cotonou with Gbenga (SaintJoel; Jelad ventures). I share this experience so that intending buyers & members can learn from my experience & avoid my mistakes. It was indeed my first time to buy a car in Cotonou.

Do you remember this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3137468/useful-advice-buying-paying-required
When I sought to know if I could buy a car in Cotonou & proceed to make Custom duty payment by myself. I recall a few people commented on it. Please read through to get the crux of the matter.

To be continued....
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by GAZZUZZ(m): 11:21pm On Jul 08, 2016
bravolad:
Good evening Nairalanders,

I decided to share my experience of buying a car from Cotonou with Gbenga (SaintJoel; Jelad ventures). I share this experience so that intending buyers & members can learn from my experience & avoid my mistakes. It was indeed my first time to buy a car in Cotonou.

Do you remember this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3137468/useful-advice-buying-paying-required
When I sought to know if I could buy a car in Cotonou & proceed to make Custom duty payment by myself. I recall a few people commented on it. Please read through to get the crux of the matter.

To be continued....

La click La knock engine. Summarize, was it a good or bad experience?

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Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by Kashif(m): 11:24pm On Jul 08, 2016
bravolad:
Good evening Nairalanders,

I decided to share my experience of buying a car from Cotonou (SaintJoel; Jelad ventures). I share this experience so that intending buyers & members can learn from my experience & avoid my mistakes. It was indeed my first time to buy a car in Cotonou.

Do you remember this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3137468/useful-advice-buying-paying-required
When I sought to know if I could buy a car in Cotonou & proceed to make Custom duty payment by myself. I recall a few people commented on it. Please read through to get the crux of the matter.

To be continued....

Do you need to post his name? His moniker will do.
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by oluwafreshkid(m): 11:31pm On Jul 08, 2016
Maybe cos dem never scam you before...
You will know that you need to post his mothers maiden name join sef

Lol

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Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by Nobody: 12:22am On Jul 09, 2016
oluwafreshkid:
Maybe cos dem never scam you before...
You will know that you need to post his mothers maiden name join sef

Lol
did the OP mention the issue of scam?
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by saintjoel(m): 8:26am On Jul 09, 2016
bravolad:
Good evening Nairalanders,

I decided to share my experience of buying a car from Cotonou with Gbenga (SaintJoel; Jelad ventures). I share this experience so that intending buyers & members can learn from my experience & avoid my mistakes. It was indeed my first time to buy a car in Cotonou.

Do you remember this thread https://www.nairaland.com/3137468/useful-advice-buying-paying-required
When I sought to know if I could buy a car in Cotonou & proceed to make Custom duty payment by myself. I recall a few people commented on it. Please read through to get the crux of the matter.

To be continued....

Nearly had an heart attack when I saw a mention on Nairaland and sincerely, I'm also waiting for whatever the OP has to say about his experience cos I've sent SMS to various clients I've worked with recently and none has told me he's the OP.

Whatever that the OP has to say, positive or negative, it's going to add more to my experience as a licensed customs' agent and also help my relations with old and prospective clients. I also apologise in advance (as much as my heart is still beating faster than normal) for all negatives that might have come from my ineractions with the OP. Despite the challenges of fluctuations in exchange rate, unfriendly custom policies and sharp practices, I've tried to keep JELAD ventures above board cos a customer lost today can multiply into 10 lost customers tomorrow and I'll keep doing that till eternity... ....

Thanks.
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by aieromon(m): 8:36am On Jul 09, 2016
Lemme grab a seat and wait for the hot gist.....
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by bravolad(m): 9:02am On Jul 09, 2016
On June 26, I travelled to Lagos & proceeded to Cotonou the following day. I got to Seme about 7.00pm and SaintJoel was on hand to receive me. Immediately, we took a bike across the border and boarded a vehicle to Cotonou.

SaintJoel had already arranged two other agents in Cotonou who took us to the hotel where I lodged.
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by bravolad(m): 9:03am On Jul 09, 2016
Kashif:

Do you need to post his name? His moniker will do.
GAZZUZZ:




Surprisingly, he is not known by this name at Seme. Meanwhile, he will not be offended about that. Sincerity in business is key.



La click La knock engine. Summarize, was it a good or bad experience?

Be patient. Na small small dem dey lick hot soup. If not, your tongue go tell you.

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Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by pacino26(m): 10:25am On Jul 09, 2016
Hmm, waiting.
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by bravolad(m): 10:41am On Jul 09, 2016
The following morning the search for my choice of car began. We moved from one park to another inspecting different ones albeit running vin report to ascertain the state of the car. I had anticipated that we were going to find a car the same day so I can pay & proceed with further clearing at the Nigerian border. I didn't know the journey just started. This also underscores the fact that one needs to be adequately prepared psychologically & financially because you cannot determine how long you will spend depending upon what kind of vehicle you are looking for. I had two cars in mind: Honda Accord or Toyota Camry both 2010 upwards.

Before I realised it, it was nightfall yet we have not been able to find a car. I must confess that the two agents SaintJoel brought are truthful, hardworking and dogged. The parks are big with over 5000 cars in each. Though, there are smaller parks with less cars. Navigating through the parks requires transportation (bikes). As we approached nightfall, they took me back to the hotel. By this time, I was already down with malaria. The penultimate day of my travel, I felt cranky & sick so I purchased some anti-malaria drugs at a pharmacy store in Lagos. I could not sleep at night and was very uncomfortable. By the following morning Wednesday, I had become very ill, cold & shivering. I thought of spending the whole day at the hotel but that thought was immediately countered by the fact that I came to Cotonou for the sole purpose of buying a car. So I pulled myself together; mustered some strength and by which time the team has already assembled at the hotel. As we left the hotel, I was weak, cold & unease but somehow, God was my strength.

I must point out that most of the cars brought into Cotonou are accident cars as well. The same scenario we have in Lagos where dealers sell accident & flood cars to unsuspecting buyers. Another major shocking discovery I made was that Cotonou car dealers also alter mileage (odometer rollback). We all know the reason for this practice. This is why vin report is vital to a car purchase.

However, there are a handful of dealers who deal on clean tittles also. So we started moving around parks again, especially those known to sell non-accident cars. At about 2.30 pm we saw a car of my choice with a clean vin report. Also note that throughout the search period, I had no fear of being swindled by anybody. SaintJoel also acted transparently. At some point, I almost had to separate fight between him & one of the agents Daniel. The reason for this quarrel was because Daniel is well experienced & can easily spot a car that have been involved in an accident. There was a 2010 xle we saw, very clean but he said it's an accident car & that we should move ahead but SaintJoel insisted we run a vin check. Daniel didn't want me to waste the money. So a serious quarrel broke up. It turned out that Daniel was absolutely correct. A vin report confirmed it.

This is where the struggle for clearing started.

Stay tuned....
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by kingreign(m): 10:52am On Jul 09, 2016
Make I book space for oga bravolad thread cool wink
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by bravolad(m): 11:30am On Jul 09, 2016
This is the hotel.

Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by chiebube1: 1:04pm On Jul 09, 2016
Experience is the key. Like you said, Daniel was more experienced than Saint Joel. That might have been the genesis of the problem. Daniel vs Saint Joel - The Cold War !!!
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by bravolad(m): 1:09pm On Jul 09, 2016
chiebube1:
Experience is the key. Like you said, Daniel was more experienced than Saint Joel. That might have been the genesis of the problem. Daniel vs Saint Joel - The Cold War !!!

They made up almost immediately as that did not affect our search in anyway. But that's maturity.
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by M17CXi: 1:44pm On Jul 09, 2016
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Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by MaziOmenuko: 1:46pm On Jul 09, 2016
Oga come to literature section if you wan write novel. This is car talk, stop telling us how u caught malaria, where u slept and how jet lee almost defeated Jackie chan in the movie.

Abeg, make I go find other beneficial thread read.

No vex oga op, some of us have short attentive memory.

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Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by Kashif(m): 2:16pm On Jul 09, 2016
MaziOmenuko:
Oga come to literature section if you wan write novel. This is car talk, stop telling us how u caught malaria, where u slept and how jet lee almost defeated Jackie chan in the movie.

Abeg, make I go find other beneficial thread read.

No vex oga op, some of us have short attentive memory.

LOL!
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by chiebube1: 2:16pm On Jul 09, 2016
Well done Mazi Omenuko. Bravolad, go straight to the point. Suspense is NO game at all. No sympathies at all.
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by Kashif(m): 2:23pm On Jul 09, 2016
Kashif:


Do you need to post his name? His moniker will do.

Withdrawn. SaintJoel does not care grin grin
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by Kashif(m): 2:23pm On Jul 09, 2016
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Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by diportivo: 2:28pm On Jul 09, 2016
^^^^^^^^^^^^

You guys should chill out

Oga bravolad is taking things easy cos he just recovered from malaria

Abi una don forget say malaria dey kill person??

tongue

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Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by MaziOmenuko: 2:44pm On Jul 09, 2016
diportivo:
^^^^^^^^^^^^

You guys should chill out

Oga bravolad is taking things easy cos he just recovered from malaria

Abi una don forget say malaria dey kill person??

tongue

Then I humbly suggest that he change the topic to How Malaria almost killed me in my search of car.

His intro brought about expectations on deals gone sour. He either addresses the matter or post the pix of his car so we can appreciate and call it a day.

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Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by Nobody: 2:52pm On Jul 09, 2016
MaziOmenuko:


Then I humbly suggest that he change the topic to How Malaria almost killed me in my search of car.

His intro brought about expectations on deals gone sour. He either addresses the matter or post the pix of his car so we can appreciate and call it a day.

Oh my gosh! grin

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Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by diportivo: 2:59pm On Jul 09, 2016
MaziOmenuko:


Then I humbly suggest that he change the topic to How Malaria almost killed me in my search of car.

His intro brought about expectations on deals gone sour. He either addresses the matter or post the pix of his car so we can appreciate and call it a day.

Maziomenuko

U gat no chill walahii

grin

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Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by sauceEEP(m): 4:57pm On Jul 09, 2016
Anxiously waiting for the remaining episodes, i just pray it doesn't cross to season two....
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by Baylam(m): 5:06pm On Jul 09, 2016
Hahahah
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by bravolad(m): 5:07pm On Jul 09, 2016
Payment for the car was a different kettle of fish. We went back to Seme in order to ensure that payment was made the same day. At Seme, I realised I could not do an online transfer to the Bureau de change agent due to the amount of involved. Exchange rate was fluctuating. From ₦570 to 1000 CFA to ₦574 to 1000 CFA. The closes GT bank was located at Agbara which was about an hour drive from Seme. The only option was to go to the bank and effect the transfer. I took a cab with one of the Cotonou agents to Agbara. By the time the transfer was made, I called SaintJoel to collect the CFA equivalent. I never doubted his integrity about absconding with over three million Naira. At some point, you need to trust people with certain amount of people. SaintJoel is one of those you can trust with your money and go to sleep with your two eyes closed.

Before we came back from Agbara, SaintJoel had collected the money. As we arrived, he handed it over to the agent that went to the bank with me to proceed to making payment for the car. More so, he has a bike and it would be easier for him to get there before us. The guy (Emile) left with the money while SaintJoel & I took the usual route. By the time Emile got to Cotonou, the dealer has closed. So he held unto the money. We arrived and agreed that SaintJoel & Daniel should proceed to the dealer's office in town to make the payment. Eventually, payment was made the same night & a receipt issued to that effect.

To ensure that I leave the following day being Thursday, I told SaintJoel to pay for duty early with the NCS whilst the car was yet to be cleared with Benin customs. So very easy on Thursday morning, he left Cotonou to Seme so as to fast track the clearing process at Seme border. That same morning, SaintJoel erroneously paid duty for a 2010 Camry instead of 2011. To be fair to him, we all assumed it was 2010. But by evening of that same day when he called me to say that NCS sees it a false declaration, I asked if he did not look at the vin number prior to payment. As an experienced custom agent, he's supposed to look at the vin even if he doesn't have the vehicle papers. He acknowledged he error was his fault and accepted responsibility there on. Unfortunately, there was network failure at the Benin custom office and the car could not be cleared, prompting another delay. This also translated to additional hotel and logistics expenses for me. I was sad but had no better choice.

The short payment implies that NCS would need to raise a Debit Note (DN) for additional payments. Friday morning, I left Cotonou joined him at Seme to know the true state of things. He took me to some senior Custom Officers to determine how much the additional cost would be. But prior to this, he asked I he could get someone to drive the car with amount already paid as duty to Abuja for which I rejected it immediately. I told him that I cannot spend close to four million Naira only to risk the seizure of the car by NCS. Secondly, he suggested I obtain a Lagos registration & drive it to Abuja on that same amount paid. Again, I declined. When we met the NCS officials for further payment for a 2011 Camry, they (NCS) insisted the amount would be ₦180,000. 00. I tried to negotiated it down but met a brick wall. One of them told me that I could actually drive the car like that but whatever happens afterwards should not involve them. I had a little quarrel with SaintJoel over this but later, I agreed to pay the money.

I transferred the ₦180,000.00 to SaintJoel's account and went back to Cotonou to meet with Daniel who also doubles as a custom agent in Cotonou to make sure I leave that same day. By the time I left, SaintJoel and NCS officials raised a DN of ₦104,000.000. SaintJoel called to tell me about this and that I had some balance with him. So I told him I will use that balance for expenses. At this point, it was obvious to me that he had collaborated with NCS officials to ensure I pay more. I was highly exasperated.

At about 3.00 pm, the car was cleared at Benin Republic & we waited until 5.00pm as is the rule in Benin Republic. Tokunbo cars don't leave until 4.00pm and cannot cross the border until 5.00pm.
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by Nobody: 6:48pm On Jul 09, 2016
1.) Connivance with the NCS to fleece client. Bravolad, kam & finish your narrative. grin
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by sultaan(m): 6:52pm On Jul 09, 2016
This sounds like a informacial, but what do I know.

A process that is as easy as buying seems like running for an election with agents and horse trading grin grin grin


I hope one day people will experience how things are done in a normal system.
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by Baylam(m): 7:00pm On Jul 09, 2016
Point 1 duly noted!!!
bravolad:
Payment for the car was a different kettle of fish. We went back to Seme in order to ensure that payment was made the same day. At Seme, I realised I could not do an online transfer to the Bureau de change agent due to the amount of involved. Exchange rate was fluctuating. From ₦570 to 1000 CFA to ₦574 to 1000 CFA. The closes GT bank was located at Agbara which was about an hour drive from Seme. The only option was to go to the bank and effect the transfer. I took a cab with one of the Cotonou agents to Agbara. By the time the transfer was made, I called SaintJoel to collect the CFA equivalent. I never doubted his integrity about absconding with over three million Naira. At some point, you need to trust people with certain amount of people. SaintJoel is one of those you can trust with your money and go to sleep with your two eyes closed.

Before we came back from Agbara, SaintJoel had collected the money. As we arrived, he handed it over to the agent that went to the bank with me to proceed to making payment for the car. More so, he has a bike and it would be easier for him to get there before us. The guy (Emile) left with the money while SaintJoel & I took the usual route. By the time Emile got to Cotonou, the dealer has closed. So he held unto the money. We arrived and agreed that SaintJoel & Daniel should proceed to the dealer's office in town to make the payment. Eventually, payment was made the same night & a receipt issued to that effect.

To ensure that I leave the following day being Thursday, I told SaintJoel to pay for duty early with the NCS whilst the car was yet to be cleared with Benin customs. So very easy on Thursday morning, he left Cotonou to Seme so as to fast track the clearing process at Seme border. That same morning, SaintJoel erroneously paid duty for a 2010 Camry instead of 2011. To be fair to him, we all assumed it was 2010. But by evening of that same day when he called me to say that NCS sees it a false declaration, I asked if he did not look at the vin number prior to payment. As an experienced custom agent, he's supposed to look at the vin even if he doesn't have the vehicle papers. He acknowledged he error was his fault and accepted responsibility there on. Unfortunately, there was network failure at the Benin custom office and the car could not be cleared, prompting another delay. This also translated to additional hotel and logistics expenses for me. I was sad but had no better choice.

The short payment implies that NCS would need to raise a Debit Note (DN) for additional payments. Friday morning, I left Cotonou joined him at Seme to know the true state of things. He took me to some senior Custom Officers to determine how much the additional cost would be. But prior to this, he asked I he could get someone to drive the car with amount already paid as duty to Abuja for which I rejected it immediately. I told him that I cannot spend close to four million Naira only to risk the seizure of the car by NCS. Secondly, he suggested I obtain a Lagos registration & drive it to Abuja on that same amount paid. Again, I declined. When we met the NCS officials for further payment for a 2011 Camry, they (NCS) insisted the amount would be ₦180,000. 00. I tried to negotiated it down but met a brick wall. One of them told me that I could actually drive the car like that but whatever happens afterwards should not involve them. I had a little quarrel with SaintJoel over this but later, I agreed to pay the money.

I transferred the ₦180,000.00 to SaintJoel's account and went back to Cotonou to meet with Daniel who also doubles as a custom agent in Cotonou to make sure I leave that same day. By the time I left, SaintJoel and NCS officials raised a DN of ₦104,000.000. SaintJoel called to tell me about this and that I had some balance with him. So I told him I will use that balance for expenses.[b] At this point, it was obvious to me that he had collaborated with NCS officials to ensure I pay more. [/b]I was highly exasperated.

At about 3.00 pm, the car was cleared at Benin Republic & we waited until 5.00pm as is the rule in Benin Republic. Tokunbo cars don't leave until 4.00pm and cannot cross the border until 5.00pm.
Re: My Successful Experience With Saintjoel Of Nairaland In Buying A Car Frm Cotonou by bravolad(m): 7:13pm On Jul 09, 2016
Picture of the car at the park in Cotonou

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