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Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by analice107: 12:02am On Jul 10, 2016
lordnicklaus:
I do not see any reason for this post. @op the reason you derive fun in arguing with Muslims is because you are a Christian. If you were born a Muslim, of course you would speak in favour of Islam and against Christianity and if the Muslims here were born into Christian homes, they would speak for Christianity. And quoting from your sacred text does not validate the authenticity of your religion cos even a Buddhist would quote the Tripitaka to prove that Buddha is the Messiah.... For me, I would remain a Christian hoping I have made the right choice.
O Wow. Did you just say "Hoping you made the right choice?" Wonderful. This one is a space filler. Those who know their God, shall be strong and do exploits.
Sorry find out who you are, because right now, you don't.

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Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by analice107: 12:07am On Jul 10, 2016
true2god:
Baca is not just mecca, it is barcelona. So since we also call Barcelona 'Baca', biblical Baca must be in spain. This is islamic logic and argument. No reason, no logic and anti-facts.
Their body is the Mosque and their Brian is the Donkey. The Donkey doesn't enter the Mosque. When it comes to reason, they lock up their reasoning faculties.

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Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by analice107: 12:21am On Jul 10, 2016
truthman2012:


Don't mind him. Quran is a trash. It says Moses, the leader of the Jews is a muslim, which will invariably mean the Jews are muslims too. Now ask them if Jews are muslims. If Jews are muslims, why did Muhammad say they should be fought and forced to pay jizyah (taxes)?

Islam is nothing but satanic manipulations.
Islam is a thieving religion. They seek to steal everything from the Jews.
They steal their Patriarchs and prophets and turn them to muslims.
Steal the Torah and the New Testament, and try to fix Muhammed inside.
Steal the Holy Spirit and call him Muhammed, but forgot that the bible said the Holy Spirit who is a spirit dwells inside the believers, while Muhammed died like a pig after being poisoned by a mere slave girl.

(O my God!!!! Wait... In Islam it's believed that if a man is killed by a woman he won't enter paradise. Muhammed is so in hell)

Going on...
They steal Jesus the Messiah and called him Isa. They claim they believe in him yet hate his followers to death.
Steal Angel Gabriel and call him Jubril. But forgot to add that Gabriel doesn't inflict fear or pain on those he brings a message.

Now they want to steal the land of the Jews. They are claiming Jerusalem which Muhammed travelled to in his dream as theirs.
Mehhn, this is indeed a thieving religion.

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Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by analice107: 12:25am On Jul 10, 2016
mustymatic:

It was neither written Jesus was a christian, I said clearly, Islam means submission (to one God) a muslim is one who submits to the will of God...Many religions have a concept of surrender to God. In Jewish history, when the ancient Hebrews obeyed God’s commands, they had a long period of prosperity and stability.

In Christianity, surrendering to God is a way of putting your life into more capable hands – in fact, Jesus asked many of his disciples to surrender their livelihoods and follow him.

So all the prophets of God were Muslims -they did surrender to God's will
Wow. Just listen to yourself. Yesterday we were pagans, today we surrender to God. Fine, since the Jews and Christians surrender to God why aren't we muslims. Why aren't we knocking our faces on the ground?
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by analice107: 12:30am On Jul 10, 2016
mustymatic:
Jew is an identity, a tribe not religion dumbass
You are the dumbass here. The Jews are a Nation not just an identity. From it you get their religion Judaism, their location is called Judea, their individuals are called Jews. It's the same thing you guys are trying to steal from them, claiming Islam is a Nation rather than a stupid ideology.

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Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by analice107: 12:32am On Jul 10, 2016
Presbulg:


Here what you so called christians don't know, Islam isn't any competition with Christianity or any other religion.
Islam ain't a race either.

Islam simply means - following in the will of God which started right from Adam till Mohammed. They all came with the same message - To serve and submit to the will of God.
Liar liar, pants on fire. Well, carryon, maybe with time, even you may come to really believe these lies.
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by annunaki2(m): 9:16am On Jul 10, 2016
Presbulg:


Here what you so called christians don't know, Islam isn't any competition with Christianity or any other religion.
Islam ain't a race either.

Islam simply means - following in the will of God which started right from Adam till Mohammed. They all came with the same message - To serve and submit to the will of God.

How do you reconcile the bolded statement with your useless sahada that makes one a muslim?

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Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by Presbulg(m): 12:46pm On Jul 10, 2016
analice107:

Liar liar, pants on fire. Well, carryon, maybe with time, even you may come to really believe these lies.

The truth's been written whether you choose to believe it or not, it's not my problem.
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by Presbulg(m): 12:47pm On Jul 10, 2016
annunaki2:


How do you reconcile the bolded statement with your useless sahada that makes one a muslim?

The thing is the way the salat is being performed now came at a later time when it revealed to Rosul (s.a.w). The shahada 'statement' doesn't automatically make u a Muslim. You have to say it with a sincere heart. There has to be good intention. And God only considers what it's in the heart and measures one's deeds to judge us.
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by truthmans2012: 1:27pm On Jul 10, 2016
mustymatic:
Jew is an identity, a tribe not religion dumbass

Terrorist !!!

Why did your Quran separate the Jews and Christians if Jew is an identity? Are there no Jews by tribe among the Christians?

I wonder where muslims keep their brain.
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by analice107: 1:50pm On Jul 10, 2016
Presbulg:


The truth's been written whether you choose to believe it or not, it's not my problem.
you so pathetic.
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by analice107: 1:50pm On Jul 10, 2016
Presbulg:


The truth's been written whether you choose to believe it or not, it's not my problem.
you are so pathetic.
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by annunaki2(m): 1:58pm On Jul 10, 2016
Presbulg:


The thing is the way the salat is being performed now came at a later time when it revealed to Rosul (s.a.w). The shahada 'statement' doesn't automatically make u a Muslim. You have to say it with a sincere heart. There has to be good intention. And God only considers what it's in the heart and measures one's deeds to judge us.

Taking the decision to be a muslim has never and can never be a good decision.
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by Presbulg(m): 3:03pm On Jul 10, 2016
annunaki2:


Taking the decision to be a muslim has never and can never be a good decision.

Well that's your own opinion.

Peace
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by Presbulg(m): 3:05pm On Jul 10, 2016
analice107:
you are so pathetic.
Just like I said, whether you choose to believe it or not is my problem.
Peace
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by mustymatic(m): 4:05pm On Jul 10, 2016
analice107:

You are the dumbass here. The Jews are a Nation not just an identity. From it you get their religion Judaism, their location is called Judea, their individuals are called Jews. It's the same thing you guys are trying to steal from them, claiming Islam is a Nation rather than a stupid ideology.
you think you're saying anything different abi? Hahaha...so it's not an identity, yet you said their individuals are grin so there can't be a Muslim jew right?
Mumu...don't quote me again
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by mustymatic(m): 4:09pm On Jul 10, 2016
analice107:

Wow. Just listen to yourself. Yesterday we were pagans, today we surrender to God. Fine, since the Jews and Christians surrender to God why aren't we muslims. Why aren't we knocking our faces on the ground?
But Jesus did knock his face on the ground grin
And I didn't say you are because you worship three gods.. Jesus worshipped one thats y he is, as commanded
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by mustymatic(m): 4:14pm On Jul 10, 2016
truthmans2012:


Terrorist !!!

Why did your Quran separate the Jews and Christians if Jew is an identity? Are there no Jews by tribe among the Christians?

I wonder where muslims keep their brain.



Why do you think it's okay to label me a terrorist on a forum like this?
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by truthmans2012: 4:19pm On Jul 10, 2016
mustymatic:

But Jesus did knock his face on the ground grin
And I didn't say you are because you worship three gods.. Jesus worshipped one thats y he is, as commanded

You worship the three daughters of allahh. Islamic worship today is the mixture of the worship of each of the three daughters of allahh.

Read it here:

www.nairaland.com/2287893/allah-loves-pagans-hates-jews

You know what, we have discovered that Muhammad was sent by the gods of Hindus:

www.nairaland.com/3216638/why-did-muhammads-name-appear
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by analice107: 5:34pm On Jul 10, 2016
mustymatic:

But Jesus did knock his face on the ground grin
And I didn't say you are because you worship three gods.. Jesus worshipped one thats y he is, as commanded
Hahahahahahahaha. Really? Jesus who taught us to worship our Heavenly Father in spirit and in truth, worship that same God knocking his face to the ground? Did he also pray facing Mecca
Guy, worship your Idol, and wait for judgement.
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by mustymatic(m): 6:08pm On Jul 10, 2016
analice107:

Hahahahahahahaha. Really? Jesus who taught us to worship our Heavenly Father in spirit and in truth, worship that same God knocking his face to the ground? Did he also pray facing Mecca
Guy, worship your Idol, and wait for judgement.
When a Muslim prays or thanks God he does so in the same fashion and from that was taught to Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and all of the previous Prophets of God (may peace be upon them all). You will find that when a Muslim prays he places his forehead on the ground in total submission to God Almighty. Let us see how the Prophets (including Jesus) prayed according to the Qur'an and Bible:

"These are some of the Prophets whom GOD blessed. They were chosen from among the descendants of Adam, and the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah, and the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom we guided and selected. When the revelations of the Most Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate, weeping.
" – Qur’an English Translation [19:58]

"And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, [/b]saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." - New Testament (Matthew 26:39)

[b]"And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face,
and were sore afraid." - New Testament (Matthew 17:6)

"And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying," - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17:3)

"Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17:17)

"And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped." - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Exodus 34:cool

“And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces:
and the glory of the LORD appeared unto them.” - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers 20:6)

"And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers 16:20-22)

And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with [their] faces to the ground. - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Nehemiah 8:6)

"And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship,
and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Joshua 5:14)
@ the bolded, so now you're admitting Jesus didn't ask you to worship him but his God grin
Confusion

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Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by truthmans2012: 6:25pm On Jul 10, 2016
mustymatic

When a Muslim prays or thanks God he does so in the same fashion and from that was taught to Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and all of the previous Prophets of God (may peace be upon them all). You will find that when a Muslim prays he places his forehead on the ground in total submission to God Almighty.

Which Abraham, Moses and Jesus?

Muhammad didn't represent their God. Muhammad was prophesied by Hindus as one of their own. Are Abraham, Moses and Jesus talked about in Hindus?

Muhammad was sent from the world of darkness.

In those Biblical verses you cited, they did those things once and never repeated them as a routine. Nowhere can you find them facing the East (Kaaba). The Bible says those who face the East turn their back to God's Temple (Ezekiel 8:15), that means the muslims who face Kaaba (East) praying are turning their back to God's Temple.

See how Hindus claim Muhammad as their own:

www.nairaland.com/3216638/why-did-muhammads-name-appear
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by analice107: 7:23pm On Jul 10, 2016
mustymatic:

When a Muslim prays or thanks God he does so in the same fashion and from that was taught to Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and all of the previous Prophets of God (may peace be upon them all). You will find that when a Muslim prays he places his forehead on the ground in total submission to God Almighty. Let us see how the Prophets (including Jesus) prayed according to the Qur'an and Bible:

"These are some of the Prophets whom GOD blessed. They were chosen from among the descendants of Adam, and the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah, and the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom we guided and selected. When the revelations of the Most Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate, weeping.
" – Qur’an English Translation [19:58]

"And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, [/b]saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." - New Testament (Matthew 26:39)

[b]"And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face,
and were sore afraid." - New Testament (Matthew 17:6)

"And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying," - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17:3)

"Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17:17)

"And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped." - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Exodus 34:cool

“And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces:
and the glory of the LORD appeared unto them.” - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers 20:6)

"And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers 16:20-22)

And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with [their] faces to the ground. - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Nehemiah 8:6)

"And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship,
and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Joshua 5:14)
@ the bolded, so now you're admitting Jesus didn't ask you to worship him but his God grin
Confusion
I hope you know falling to their faces means lying prostrate on the ground. We, I lie prostrate into submission and worship to God, that doesn't make me a Muslim.
Now, let's compare Islamic worship with this Babylonian Idol worship, let see how they fit.

Daniel 3:3-7 Then the satraps, the deputies, the governors, the judges and chief stargazers, the treasurers, the counselors, the sheriffs and lawyers, and all the chief officials of the provinces were gathered together for the dedication of the image that King

Nebuchadnezzar had set up, and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up. Then the herald cried aloud, You are commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, That when you hear the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, dulcimer or bagpipe, and every kind of music, you are to fall down and worship the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. And whoever does not fall down and worship shall that very hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. Therefore, when all the peoples heard the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, dulcimer or bagpipe, and every kind of music, all the peoples, nations, and languages fell down and worshiped the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.

Pay attention to a call for prayer by musicians or Callers. Also pay attention to the same hour of prayer, every body everywhere. People of different Nations and languages. Pay attention to this too, anyone who refuses to pray at that our, in that manner, and at that time, gets killed. Does it sound familiar to you?
Idol worshipper.
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by Presbulg(m): 12:43am On Jul 11, 2016
mustymatic:

When a Muslim prays or thanks God he does so in the same fashion and from that was taught to Abraham, Moses, Jesus, and all of the previous Prophets of God (may peace be upon them all). You will find that when a Muslim prays he places his forehead on the ground in total submission to God Almighty. Let us see how the Prophets (including Jesus) prayed according to the Qur'an and Bible:

"These are some of the Prophets whom GOD blessed. They were chosen from among the descendants of Adam, and the descendants of those whom we carried with Noah, and the descendants of Abraham and Israel, and from among those whom we guided and selected. When the revelations of the Most Gracious are recited to them, they fall prostrate, weeping.
" – Qur’an English Translation [19:58]

"And he (Jesus) went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, [/b]saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." - New Testament (Matthew 26:39)

[b]"And when the disciples heard it, they fell on their face,
and were sore afraid." - New Testament (Matthew 17:6)

"And Abram fell on his face: and God talked with him, saying," - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17:3)

"Then Abraham fell upon his face, and laughed, and said in his heart, Shall a child be born unto him that is an hundred years old? and shall Sarah, that is ninety years old, bear?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Genesis 17:17)

"And Moses made haste, and bowed his head toward the earth, and worshipped." - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Exodus 34:cool

“And Moses and Aaron went from the presence of the assembly unto the door of the tabernacle of the congregation, and they fell upon their faces:
and the glory of the LORD appeared unto them.” - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers 20:6)

"And the LORD spake unto Moses and unto Aaron, saying, Separate yourselves from among this congregation, that I may consume them in a moment. And they fell upon their faces, and said, O God, the God of the spirits of all flesh, shall one man sin, and wilt thou be wroth with all the congregation?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Numbers 16:20-22)

And Ezra blessed the LORD, the great God. And all the people answered, Amen, Amen, with lifting up their hands: and they bowed their heads, and worshipped the LORD with [their] faces to the ground. - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Nehemiah 8:6)

"And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship,
and said unto him, What saith my Lord unto his servant?" - Old Testament (Tanakh) (Joshua 5:14)
@ the bolded, so now you're admitting Jesus didn't ask you to worship him but his God grin
Confusion

Bro, it's a waste of time arguing with these people, even when the truth is being thrown right to their face, they wouldn't agree with. I'll suggest you stop conversing with them.

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Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by truthmans2012: 8:41am On Jul 11, 2016
analice107:

I hope you know falling to their faces means lying prostrate on the ground. We, I lie prostrate into submission and worship to God, that doesn't make me a Muslim.
Now, let's compare Islamic worship with this Babylonian Idol worship, let see how they fit.

Daniel 3:3-7 Then the satraps, the deputies, the governors, the judges and chief stargazers, the treasurers, the counselors, the sheriffs and lawyers, and all the chief officials of the provinces were gathered together for the dedication of the image that King

Nebuchadnezzar had set up, and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up. Then the herald cried aloud, You are commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, That when you hear the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, dulcimer or bagpipe, and every kind of music, you are to fall down and worship the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. And whoever does not fall down and worship shall that very hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. Therefore, when all the peoples heard the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, dulcimer or bagpipe, and every kind of music, all the peoples, nations, and languages fell down and worshiped the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.

Pay attention to a call for prayer by musicians or Callers. Also pay attention to the same hour of prayer, every body everywhere. People of different Nations and languages. Pay attention to this too, anyone who refuses to pray at that our, in that manner, and at that time, gets killed. Does it sound familiar to you?
Idol worshipper.

Good points.

Why should ALL people pray at the same time facing a particular direction? That in itself is idlolatry. Is God not everywhere? Besides, the Bible says those who face the East (Mecca) turn their back to God's Temple (Ezekiel 8:15). That shows idolaters had been facing the East (Mecca) before Muhammad was born and muslims continue with the practice. I pity them.

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Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by mustymatic(m): 10:54am On Jul 11, 2016
analice107:

I hope you know falling to their faces means lying prostrate on the ground. We, I lie prostrate into submission and worship to God, that doesn't make me a Muslim.
Now, let's compare Islamic worship with this Babylonian Idol worship, let see how they fit.

Daniel 3:3-7 Then the satraps, the deputies, the governors, the judges and chief stargazers, the treasurers, the counselors, the sheriffs and lawyers, and all the chief officials of the provinces were gathered together for the dedication of the image that King

Nebuchadnezzar had set up, and they stood before the image that Nebuchadnezzar had set up. Then the herald cried aloud, You are commanded, O peoples, nations, and languages, That when you hear the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, harp, dulcimer or bagpipe, and every kind of music, you are to fall down and worship the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar has set up. And whoever does not fall down and worship shall that very hour be cast into the midst of a burning fiery furnace. Therefore, when all the peoples heard the sound of the horn, pipe, lyre, trigon, dulcimer or bagpipe, and every kind of music, all the peoples, nations, and languages fell down and worshiped the golden image that King Nebuchadnezzar had set up.

Pay attention to a call for prayer by musicians or Callers. Also pay attention to the same hour of prayer, every body everywhere. People of different Nations and languages. Pay attention to this too, anyone who refuses to pray at that our, in that manner, and at that time, gets killed. Does it sound familiar to you?
Idol worshipper.
Hahaha, falling on one's face means to lie..chai, you can lie. Why not just say lie , when you fall on your face it literally means that your face supports your body.

In reading the New Testament we must cease to think of the man Jesus, and even of the “Son of God”, and think of him rather of the sun of god, for this is a solar myth, and its dying hero, a dying sun.

The cross is a pagan symbol that was adored in Egypt thousands of years before Jesus was born. The Roman Catholic Church adopted the cross symbol at least 600 years after Jesus was supposedly crucified. Even the early Christians of North Africa rejected the wooden cross after Tertullian condemned it.

Tertullian confessed that pagans worshipped crucified saviors hanging on a cross.The cross of Christ, as experts seem to agree, was actually a bar placed across the top of an upright, so it was not a cross at all. It was a “Tee” (T), called “Taw” in Hebrew and “Tau” in Greek. So the cross that the victim was suspended from was actually a crossbar, and perhaps in those days this was called the cross. The “Taw” sign was the symbol of the dying and rising god, Tammuz, and “Taw” was the sign that was made on the heads of those marked for salvation by the god. So, crucifixion images might not be as conventional as the ones based on the Catholic crucifix

Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by truthmans2012: 11:43am On Jul 11, 2016
mustymatic:

Hahaha, falling on one's face means to lie..chai, you can lie. Why not just say lie , when you fall on your face it literally means that your face supports your body.

In reading the New Testament we must cease to think of the man Jesus, and even of the “Son of God”, and think of him rather of the sun of god, for this is a solar myth, and its dying hero, a dying sun.

The cross is a pagan symbol that was adored in Egypt thousands of years before Jesus was born. The Roman Catholic Church adopted the cross symbol at least 600 years after Jesus was supposedly crucified. Even the early Christians of North Africa rejected the wooden cross after Tertullian condemned it.

Tertullian confessed that pagans worshipped crucified saviors hanging on a cross.The cross of Christ, as experts seem to agree, was actually a bar placed across the top of an upright, so it was not a cross at all. It was a “Tee” (T), called “Taw” in Hebrew and “Tau” in Greek. So the cross that the victim was suspended from was actually a crossbar, and perhaps in those days this was called the cross. The “Taw” sign was the symbol of the dying and rising god, Tammuz, and “Taw” was the sign that was made on the heads of those marked for salvation by the god. So, crucifixion images might not be as conventional as the ones based on the Catholic crucifix

Islamic mentality.

Dressing is a cultural thing, it has nothing to do the God. Did Muhammad wear suit (coat)? Why are muslims wearing it.

So we have to dress like the Jews before God will recognize us? Carnal reasoning. No wonder muslims become the slave of the Arabs by dressing like them and speaking their language to worship allahh. Doesn't allahh understand any other language as God? Because he is an Arabian idol who understands only Arabic, you have to worship him speaking only Arabic.

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Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by Nobody: 1:01pm On Jul 11, 2016
truthman2012:


If you are truly a Christian and you believe in the Bible, you would not say what you have said. Jesus said "I am the way the WAY the TRUTH and the LIFE nobody can come unto God except by me (John 14:6).

There is no other name under heaven where you can be saved (Acts 4:12).

And this Gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness to all NATIONS and then the end will come (Mat.24:14).

So if you believe in those Bible passages, why would see islam as another way to God?

Again, quoting from a sacred text. Won't it be suprising if you find such in the Veda or the Tripitaka or in Pan Ku?

What if you read a verse in the Veda and it said "Those who follow Krishna shall be saved, for the name of Krishna is mighty to save and to keep from evil"?
Won't you assume that since it was written by Hindus, it would speak in favour of Krishna? Believe me every religion has proofs cos you can't tell me that Buddha never existed or Sango never existed or even the supposed mythical Hercules never lived. Every religion has at least a single fact in its sacred relic or text. My friend, engaging in unhealthy arguments with other religions' folks is unwise. The same goes for Muslims.
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by Nobody: 1:09pm On Jul 11, 2016
mustymatic:

But Jesus did knock his face on the ground grin
And I didn't say you are because you worship three gods.. Jesus worshipped one thats y he is, as commanded

Lol!!!! So, knocking one's face on the ground means he is performing Salat? Even followers of Olumba Olumba knock their faces on the ground, can you call them Muslims seeing they are pagan?

Jews prayed in any position, even standing up or while sitting down. Truthman was even right, you Muslims claim the unattainable. Very soon you are gonna tell me that Buddha was a Muslim or that Perseus performed Salat.
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by mustymatic(m): 2:42pm On Jul 11, 2016
truthmans2012:


Which Abraham, Moses and Jesus?

Muhammad didn't represent their God. Muhammad was prophesied by Hindus as one of their own. Are Abraham, Moses and Jesus talked about in Hindus?

Muhammad was sent from the world of darkness.

In those Biblical verses you cited, they did those things once and never repeated them as a routine. Nowhere can you find them facing the East (Kaaba). The Bible says those who face the East turn their back to God's Temple (Ezekiel 8:15), that means the muslims who face Kaaba (East) praying are turning their back to God's Temple.

See how Hindus claim Muhammad as their own:

www.nairaland.com/3216638/why-did-muhammads-name-appear
Not only Hindus, it's In the bible too grin
Why did they do it once?
Na lie, he prayed many times
Let us look at the following from the Bible:

"Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed....(From the NIV Bible, Matthew 16:39)"

"So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 26:44)"

"One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 6:12)"

"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be HEARD FOR THEIR MUCH SPEAKING. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 6:5-cool"

Matthew 26:36-44

36. Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, "Sit here while I go over there and pray."
37. He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled.
38. Then he said to them, "My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me."
39. Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
40. Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. "Could you men not keep watch with me for one hour?" he asked Peter.
41. "Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak."
42. He went away a second time and prayed, "My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done."
43. When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy.
44. So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, SAYING THE SAME THING.
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by truthmans2012: 3:30pm On Jul 11, 2016
mustymatic:

Not only Hindus, it's In the bible too grin
Why did they do it once?
Na lie, he prayed many times
Let us look at the following from the Bible:

"Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed....(From the NIV Bible, Matthew 16:39)"

"So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, saying the same thing. (From the NIV Bible, Matthew 26:44)"

"One of those days Jesus went out to a mountainside to pray, and spent the night praying to God. (From the NIV Bible, Luke 6:12)"

"And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward. But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly. But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be HEARD FOR THEIR MUCH SPEAKING. Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him. (From the KJV Bible, Matthew 6:5-cool"

Matthew 26:36-44

36. Then Jesus went with his disciples to a place called Gethsemane, and he said to them, "Sit here while I go over there and pray."
37. He took Peter and the two sons of Zebedee along with him, and he began to be sorrowful and troubled.
38. Then he said to them, "My soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. Stay here and keep watch with me."
39. Going a little farther, he fell with his face to the ground and prayed, "My Father, if it is possible, may this cup be taken from me. Yet not as I will, but as you will."
40. Then he returned to his disciples and found them sleeping. "Could you men not keep watch with me for one hour?" he asked Peter.
41. "Watch and pray so that you will not fall into temptation. The spirit is willing, but the body is weak."
42. He went away a second time and prayed, "My Father, if it is not possible for this cup to be taken away unless I drink it, may your will be done."
43. When he came back, he again found them sleeping, because their eyes were heavy.
44. So he left them and went away once more and prayed the third time, SAYING THE SAME THING.

How can Muhammad belong to the kingdom of darkness and still be in the Bible at the same time? May God lay hands on your brain allahh has tampered with.

There is a difference between falling down and prostration that muslims do. When you fall down, you lie down with your belly and face on the ground i.e you are flat on the ground. Is it not your kneels and forehead alone that touch the ground when you prostrate? Are you flat on the ground? Jesus fell down only on that occasion with no ablution or facing the East (Kaaba), the house of idols.
Re: Did Abraham Succeed Making His Family Muslims? by Nobody: 4:17pm On Jul 11, 2016
truthmans2012:


How can Muhammad belong to the kingdom of darkness and still be in the Bible at the same time? May God lay hands on your brain allahh has tampered with.

There is a difference between falling down and prostration that muslims do. When you fall down, you lie down with your belly and face on the ground i.e you are flat on the ground. Is it not your kneels and forehead alone that touch the ground when you prostrate? Are you flat on the ground? Jesus fell down only on that occasion with no ablution or facing the East (Kaaba), the house of idols.
@mustymatic

Falling to one's face, like it was done in the Bible verses you quoted, doesn't in anyway relate to the way the Muslims do it. The muslims bow with their head touching the ground, mumble some words, get up to stand erect, mumble some words and repeat the whole process multiple times. All these they do while facing the east where the idol Kaaba is. Was it ever pointed out in those verses you quoted that the names mentioned did exactly as the muslims do?

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