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Scholar8200:
But on what grounds would you expect God to exempt those who choose to follow the devil from this destination and still be a Just God? Especially when all that could be done was done to make them turn from following the devil but they rebelled thinking sin was sweet?

Scholar8200:
We were not there in existence to be consulted. However, we can choose what course we'll follow after we are born.

Since God is just, on what grounds should He deny you the consequence of the path you chose? That is the logic behind it all.

God's design of man is higher than that of animals. Man was created by an Immortal God for an immortal purpose. Yes the fall has made man unable to serve that purpose, yet Jesus is come to once again make that purpose possible for all who believe in Him.

However, nothing erases/alters that part of immortality.

Let me point this out, God is a Spirit and is Immortal (He can NEVER cease to exist). Man too, is immortal and though he lives in a flesh, he may leave same but does not cease to exist.

Rather, the place was created for the ones that could not be redeemed - the devil & his angels. But on what grounds would you expect God to exempt those who choose to follow the devil from this destination and still be a Just God? Especially when all that could be done was done to make them turn from following the devil but they rebelled thinking sin was sweet?

goodforsomthing:
I have been thinking about this how will a loving father feel seeing his children burning in fire forever,as a human being we can't let that happen to our children. God is our father and not just father but a loving father,please I need your views on this issue.

TrajansKong:
Zero empathy. No fellow-feeling. Not a tear of pity for those roasting.

I've yet to see a Nairaland Christian express horror, disgust, or even vague sadness at the notion of hellfire.

The prospect of human beings being roasted ETERNALLY seems to even warm the smallest part of their cold, cold, crushed, cruel, strange, dark hearts.

dorox:
Maybe you have not been attentive enough, there are lots of christians like myself who think the notion of hellfire is the ultimate expression of evil from a demented mind. We believe that the punishment for sin is death and not life of everlasting horrific torture.
Indeed, how can someone have complete joy in heaven knowing that there are people in absolute agony in hellfire?

dorox:
Maybe you have not been attentive enough, there are lots of christians like myself who think the notion of hellfire is the ultimate expression of evil from a demented mind. We believe that the punishment for sin is death and not life of everlasting horrific torture.
Indeed, how can someone have complete joy in heaven knowing that there are people in absolute agony in hellfire?

dorox:
Maybe you have not been attentive enough, there are lots of christians like myself who think the notion of hellfire is the ultimate expression of evil from a demented mind. We believe that the punishment for sin is death and not life of everlasting horrific torture.
Indeed, how can someone have complete joy in heaven knowing that there are people in absolute agony in hellfire?

honourhim:
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You are deceiving yourself with your JW belief.
Why would God raise the dead at last if it is only to judge them and kill them again? Doesnt that sound stupld?
Wake up and face the truth. Sinners will be tormented forever and that's why those who died Sinners will be raised at last. If it is only about wiping them out then there won't be need to raise dead Sinners up again since they are already not existing again.

TrajansKong:
Are you a JW??

dorox:
I study the bible with JW and attend their meetings every once in a while, but I have not yet decided to become a member at this time.

Jozzy4:
Its funny how some people reason , once a person disgagrees with them such ones are automatically labelled a JW , or atheist even agnostics . in other to divert themselves from the point such ones are making



Dorox ask one question , [size=27] if humans are immortal.. Why did Jesus come to save us from death ? [/size]

Very valid question . meanwhile, this immortality is the basis of the burning hell. Destroy this root and see the whole bricks of hell fall like Jericho


I await someone who can answer that question, let's address this stuff from it's very foundation!

TrajansKong:
God is a loving God indeed!!

How could he be a just God without torturing humans eternally for their wrong choices!! He did all he could (as God! ) yet they turned away from him. What else but to burn them forever and ever and ever without remission!

Have you [b]no[/b]idea how insanely sadistic you sound

White Jesus has stripped you of all empathy, my broda.

I can just imagine you sitting back in heaven laughing at their torment like this: http://soundbible.com/200-Evil-Laugh.html

honourhim:
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Liar. He has already admitted that he attends JW and study the bible with them so stop deceiving yourself.

Again, if everything ends in physical death why will God need to raise dead Sinners up on the last day only to kill them again? Does that make sense? You have failed to answer my question because you are afraid of the truth it poses before you.

honourhim:
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Liar. He has already admitted that he attends JW and study the bible with them so stop deceiving yourself.

Again, if everything ends in physical death why will God need to raise dead Sinners up on the last day only to kill them again? Does that make sense? You have failed to answer my question because you are afraid of the truth it poses before you.

Jozzy4:
Trash, so that makes him a member of Jw , right ?

Jozzy4:
Don't evade my question , if humans are immortal ... Why then did Jesus save us from death ?

Jozzy4:
* Regarding your question it boils down to lack of proper understanding, " There is going to be a ressurection of the righteous and unrighteous " Act 24:15, after the 1000 years of Christ Reign, each Ressurected individual will be allowed to make their decision to follow God or Satan who will be allowed to tempt all. Those who survived this last test will be given the promised " gift" of everlasting life , while Those who succumb will have the wages of their action , Death ( ROM 6:23)

honourhim:
What concerns me with whether he is a member of JW or not? The point i made in my post was that hid belief was that of JW. when he is already attending their meetings what else are you saying? So you mean its only when you claim membership of an organization that you can share in their belief? Trash.

So you mean Jesus came and suffered what he suffered just to save us from physical death? I pity you. And if physical death is such a horrible thing before God why on earth should the righteous die at all in the first place? Jesus came to save you from physical death yet both the righteous and sinners are dying on daily basis. What kind of trash are you talking?

Trash.
Here is the biblical details of the Acts 24;15 you quoted-

4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.

5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The first resurrection is for the righteous so dont lump it together as if the just and unjust will be resurrected same time.

The second resurrection is for the unjust and it will take place after the 1000 years reign so carry your false teaching out of here abeg.



My question remains-
Why will the sinners be resurrected again just for the purpose of killing them again? What sense does it make? Many of these people died thousands of years ago. many died in most horrible way, and you want to tell me that they will be resurrected again only for the purpose of judging them and killing them again? NO pls. They are being resurrected to face something worse than physical death and that is eternal torment.

Read through revelations 20 and stop deceiving yourself. I can see you are trying hard to paint a picture of an all loving God and thereby messing up yourself. Deceiver.

lordnicklaus:
@op. There is no mention of a burning hell in the oldest extant manuscripts of bible text.

Infact, the concept was a later addition.


"If your hand offends you, cut it off it is better to enter into life maimed than having two hands and going into hell, into unquencheable fire. Where their worms do not die and the fire is unquenched.
And if your foot is an offence to you, cut it off it is better to enter into life as a crippled than having two feet and thrown into hell, into fire that is unquenched. Where their worm does not die and the fire is not quenched.
If your eye offends you, pluck it out. It is better that you enter into God's kingdom with one eye, than having two eyes and thrown into hell fire. Where their worm does not die and the fire is unquenched." - Mark 9:43-48



The above verse can not be found in the oldest text of Mark. It was a later addition in the text.

These texts were then found out to be spurious......

honourhim:
your father is human who is subject to change.Things about him are temporary God is eternal and not subject to change. Things about him are not temporary. Thats why his wrath will be experienced by unrepentant sinners at last forever just as his love and kindness will be experienced by the righteous (repentant sinners) at last forever.

There is nothing any of us can do about it. The nature of God does not permit change. By this i mean there is no way any of God's characteristics(love, wrath, mercy, Jealous etc.) can be expunged from him. Each of these attributes must eternally manifest accordingly.

There is no place in the bible where God claimed to be all loving as some people here are positing..God made both his loving nature and his wrath clear for us in the bible. he never pretended about his nature. Only the evil minded ones here are deceiving themselves and trying hard to convince us of what God is not.

The best we can do is to follow the escape route he provided for us. Thinnking about hellfire and trying to judge God whether he is right or wrong cannot change the situation neither is it an escape route. Dont be deceived bro.

cloudgoddess:
Damń. It must really suck to live each day believing such horrible things. How can you not see that these beliefs have you trapped in a psychological cage?

Jozzy4:
My point which you misunderstood is that someone shares a belief contrary to you doesn't make them a JW . you already attacked him as JW even before he made the clarification that he only attend their meetings and he isn't a member .

That kind of mentality is bad . many people even atheists and agnostics also some Churches reject the hellfire teaching . yet that doesn't make them JW . its wrong to tag their beliefs " JW belief " . focus on is , are they making a vital point not searching for where they got their beliefs from.

There is a man called L.Ray Smith who reject almost all the teachings of Christendom . this man is a times mistaken for a JW even when he do say it countless times that he is not and that he have a differing belief from JWs in some aspect .

So stop that tag!



Calm down , Immortality means cannot die! If humans are immortal beings , how then can Jesus claim to save then from death ?
That's the question!




That's the problem with you guys , am talking about the Resurrection as stated in John 5:28,29 and Act 24:15 not first ressurection please!

Its a shame that the term second ressurection is never found in the scripture ! The term first Ressurection is used to describe the ressurection of the few ones selected to reign with Christ over the EARTH . but your understanding of verse 5 is funny indeed, does it mean they will Reign with Christ over an empty earth , since if taken literally it means all the dead humans are not yet ressurected ?


** RESSURECTION Read John 5:28:29 and see all the dead getting ressurected together , in line with Act 24:15.

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Again regarding your question, second death as I explained earlier is scriptural.

honourhim:
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Trash. See how you are twisting the scriptures to suit your false teaching.

You have failed to tell me why christians who have received Christ are still dying just like sinners despite your claim that Jesus died to save us from physical death. Why are the just still dying, even on daily basis?
We ve had this argument extensively in the past where we trashed this heaven, hell, immortality etc matter . You can look up the threads and go thru them. I ve no time to start going thru the argument all over again.

goodforsomthing:
I have been thinking about this how will a loving father feel seeing his children burning in fire forever, as a human being we can't let that happen to our children. God is our father and not just father but a loving father,please I need your views on this issue.

Ken4Christ:
God is a loving God but he is also a God of judgment. He always gives warning before he judges but we are always stubborn.

Remember how the whole earth was destroyed with flood saving only eight souls. He was loving God when he did that.

When he rained down fire from heaven to destroy Sodom and Gomorrah, he was a loving God.

God is a consuming fire and a loving God at the same time. Whether you experience his love or fall under his judgment is purely a product of your choice.

Read the book of Revelation very well, you will see several judgment he poured on the kingdom of darkness even worse than the torture of hell. Read Revelation 9:1-6. just to get a little picture of what I am talking of.

God does not send people to hell. It is your decision that sends you there. He already provided redemption for you through the death of Jesus Christ. The choice is yours.

You can't understand God through reasonings. Accept his word by faith.

Hell is real. Even more real than this earth.

Jesus went there for you so you will not need to go - Acts 2:27.

Please, don't take this foolish risk of using reasonings to ignore the warning. It is a very hot place. The worst prison on earth is paradise compared with it.

Give your life to Jesus and escape the wrath of God that will come on the children of disobedience.