4kings:

Me too, thankgod.


Haba!, I'm very sure u know that the paragraph that talked about Jesus was first quoted by Eusebius.
Besides [i am assuming u are a history fan], how could Cyprian, Clement of Alexandria, Justin and many others who propagated paganism & all those egyptians stuff not notice Josephus words.
Also Origen the 'church father' who tried his best to advocate Christianity, never made reference to that Josephus paragraph. Moreso Origen disliked Josephus for not believing in Christ.

Goodnight my friend, i'm busy and I don't want to argue much, but if u have any strong contrary opinion ( to that Josephus' paragraph), you can post it am open-minded, and I will reply wen I see it.

I agree that the belief in Eusebius' possible interpolation is warranted and this is the major reason why scholars in the 19th century doubted the testimonium flavanium since Eusebius was the first to quote the text, but with other manuscripts such as the Arabic manuscript devoid of reference to Jesus as messaiah or other possible Christian interpolation, it is more reasonable to believe that an original core existed which was then interpolated, the original remained but additions were made to it to make it align with Christian beliefs. But you can hold on to your belief though if you so which, we agree to disagree.

Farmerforlife:


Lol, mine is...

13. Just believe that Jesus died for your sins and you will go to heaven.

How am I just to believe? Based on what premise? If I just say "I believe" without backup evidence or a reliable source (which the Bible clearly isnt due to its total lack of credentials and established authorship, let alone its monumental errors amd contradictions) I am just being hypocritical. Would God be deceived by my outward belief? Would He then send me the 'Holy Spirit' to make me truly believe, because I previously pretended to believe?

14. "You cant understand (and thereby believe) the gospel of a risen Christ unless you are filled with the Holy Spirit, which you cannot be filled with until you understand (and believe) in the gospel of a risen Christ."

Ok! I give up!

15. God (or a part thereof) came down, sacrificed Himself by getting us to crucify Him, died (can God or His part do that?) and then rejoined the main part that sent the second part, after which they both jointly sent down a third part to teach mankind about the sacrifice of the second part (which was not really dead afterall, but alive), all in order to enable the whole 3 parts to forgive us from a sin incurred by an ancestor and to redeem us from punishment for that sin. The irony is that all 3 parts only thought of that 2000 years ago, while the original sin which needed forgiving had taken place at least 6000 years ago (Biblical literalists) or even millions of years ago (Biblical metaphorists), effectively dooming thousands of innocent earlier generations (from New Zealand to Alaska) to an absence of salvation, or to some arbitrary and unfair post mortem judgement, which no Christian has been able to explain adequately.


None of that makes sense, yet unbelievably, it is a summary of the central theme of Christianity... really.

16. Total reliance on miracles.

So you mentioned this earlier, but deserves another mention. When the Scripture Union craze first took over parts of Nigeria, the narrative was all about miracles; cancer cures, the lame walking, the blind seeing, the deaf hearing. I was invited to many such miracle working centers (some of which are multimillion Naira establishments of Mammon today) and I did attend every single one to which I was invited. I am certain and say with total confidence, that NOT ONE actual miracle took place. All I saw was self deceit and exaggerated testimony. Even if actual 'miracles' did occur, so? Babalawos work equally valid 'miracles'. So do Hindus, Buddhists, Satanists, and Chris Angel even supposedly walked on water! Why dont Christians accept the testimonies of all these as' men of God'?

All in all, I tried my best, but Christianity was too illogical for me. The 'wisdom of their god' was truly foolishness to me. Paul knew very well of the lack of logic in his proposition (maybe the less gullible people in his time had pointed out to him), so he tried to pre-empt disbelief by coining this phrase.

But my view is live and let live. I tend to tolerate even those who believe in an undetectable teapot orbiting the earth (a la 'prophet' Russel) and a flying monster made of spaggheti.

Where do you get names to copy? This is getting out of hand. Stop it.

For every atheist thread there are these mentions.
Not interested!
Update your name list to people who *want* to be mentioned or expect things to turn unfriendly. There are enough atheists to go round. Call those ones.

Anas09:

Who even started this Moniker piling? Now every Punk will spew trash and line up Monikers.
Joe, go borrow some sense if you let a smarter dude got yours. Now stay off my mention except you have something reasonable to say.

Seriously, where do they compile these lists from?

Everyday some noob atheist is dragging out names with illogical topics full of disjointed ideas. Just look at this one.

4everGod:



You want us to believe you are an intelligent atheist yet the best your intelligence has to offer are topics that have been trashed ovet and over again on NL and effectively stomped on by we theists.

Go and sleep pls. Not everyone is meant to open threads.

When were atheists ever intelligent?

I can't understand why they aren't calling in their main atheists to these drag parties.

KingEbukasBlog:


Still not relevant



Lol . Muslims are only 49 percent of Nigeria's population

Here is a list of Christian Nobel Laureates https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Christian_Nobel_laureates

Dive in and get enlightened .



Haba . God chose to design the universe the way He did .




God's judgement determines who goes to Heaven or Hell - this is pellucid , nothing abstruse .




Miracles still happen outside Africa .




An epiphany you mean ? Well please don't bloviate about how you understand miracles with New Age Science BS here abeg

I hardly went for Chapel Services in CU and I'm replete with the knowledge of God .



How am I evading your question Just negodu





I implore you to read that link for demystification . You are seriously prattling away from the topic





Deists ... **sigh***





Hang on .



Who killed religious people under communism ? Atheists .

How do atheists have murderous tendencies ? Subjective Morality

Check out this thread for elucidation : https://www.nairaland.com/3176513/atheist-murderers-past-present-murderous



I wee steal your girlfriend



Sharap




Sorry





Wetin ?

Mtcheeew, since u have nothing to say.

Anas09:

Who even started this Moniker piling? Now every Punk will spew trash and line up Monikers.
Joe, go borrow some sense if you let a smarter dude got yours. Now stay off my mention except you have something reasonable to say.

Seriously, where do they compile these lists from?

Everyday some noob atheist is dragging out names with illogical topics full of disjointed ideas. Just look at this one.

KingEbukasBlog:


Seriously your sauce is insipid and tastes nothing like credible

Muslimpopulation.com ... lmao


Fabricating figures

lol @insipid sauce.
However I think u got my point.

kilo4sure:

I agree that the belief in Eusebius' possible interpolation is warranted and this is the major reason why scholars in the 19th century doubted the testimonium flavanium since Eusebius was the first to quote the text, but with other manuscripts such as the Arabic manuscript devoid of reference to Jesus as messaiah or other possible Christian interpolation, it is more reasonable to believe that an original core existed which was then interpolated, the original remained but additions were made to it to make it align with Christian beliefs. But you can hold on to your belief though if you so which, we agree to disagree.

Ok then.

Bolt000

Stop putting names on sunk threads.

If you need commenters, call up your atheist crew. You honestly think people who aren't atheists should be interested in an atheist thread?

Either you start a thread people want to view, or you keep it to yourself. You've no business mentioning people up and down.

Tellemall:
Bolt000

Stop putting names on sunk threads.

If you need commenters, call up your atheist crew. You honestly think people who aren't atheists should be interested in an atheist thread?

Either you start a thread people want to view, or you keep it to yourself. You've no business mentioning people up and down.

You done? :-/
if you are please unfollow and swerve! mtcheeww.

KingEbukasBlog:


4kings ... please tell this nigga(not used in a pejorative manner) that he is actually pained .

Abeg remov me commot ur discussion.
I no want anoda lengthy argument.

Tellemall:


Seriously, where do they compile these lists from?

Everyday some noob atheist is dragging out names with illogical topics full of disjointed ideas. Just look at this one.

So there such a thing as a "noob atheist".. smh.

KingEbukasBlog:


So you think it's not plausible for aliens to exist ?

It's likely that lifeforms exist outside of our planet. However, to be abducted and r8ped without physical evidence is unlikely. Most alien encounter claims involve the genitals and recta.

4kings:

www.muslimpopulation.com/africa/
Google is ur friend!

Exactly, Google is our friend, thats why I would prefer a more reliable one from here, gotten from census:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Nigeria

Than the type u got from a site with obvious interests.

Hehehhehe, Lol

Google is ur friend

KingEbukasBlog:


Seriously your sauce is insipid and tastes nothing like credible

Muslimpopulation.com ... lmao


Fabricating figures

Azzzin,

I thot i was the only one who laughed when I saw the website name he was using as reference.

The guy is funny!

felixomor:


Exactly, Google is our friend, thats why I would prefer a more reliable one from here, gotten from census:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Nigeria

Than the type u got from a site with obvious interests.

Hehehhehe, Lol

Google is ur friend

OK then replace what I stated with 50 then.
I was trying to make a point to ebuka, besides I am not a muslim so I don't care about the population of Muslims in Nigeria, so again u can replace the value, and see the point I was trying to make.

4kings:

OK then replace what I stated with 50 then.
I was trying to make a point to ebuka, besides I am not a muslim so I don't care about the population of Muslims in Nigeria, so again u can replace the value, and see the point I was trying to make.

My bro, even if u replace it with 50, ur statement will still be wrong. Sorry

felixomor:


My bro, even if u replace it with 50, ur statement will stii be wrong. Sorry

How?

4kings:

How?

Because when u use that same wikipedia, and check the christian population and other religions, u will see that ur statement is wrong, percentage wise.

U get?

felixomor:


Because when u use that same wikipedia, and check the christian population and other religions, u will see that ur statement is wrong, percentage wise.

U get?

OK, lemme say this in ISRAEL the percentage of Christians 2% of which most are Arab christians (Greek Orthodox), while Muslims make up 17.5%*modified* (source Wikipedia). But no christian would admit that ISRAEL is an Islamic country.
The point I was driving at can be gotten if u regard what I just said and read again my response to ebuka.
So do u get me now?

4kings:

OK, lemme say this in ISRAEL the percentage of Christians 2.1% of which most are Arab christians (Greek Orthodox), while Muslims make up 17.5%*modified* (source Wikipedia). But no christian would admit that ISRAEL is an Islamic country.
The point I was driving at can be gotten if u regard what I just said and read again my response to ebuka.
So do u get me now?

Bros, rest.
u cant say this is Isreal, ur statement was wrong, period. Stop substituting, just to make urself right.

Moreover, Isreal is a unique country which everybody knows how they were formed.

U cant also use the percentage of country religions as a narrative to the argument, Because country population and statistics of distribution of a awardees are not the same type of samples. Statistically speaking.

felixomor:


Bros, rest.
u cant say this is Isreal, ur statement was wrong, period. Stop substituting, just to make urself right.

Moreover, Isreal is a unique country which everybody knows how they were formed.

U cant also use the percentage of country religions as a narrative to the argument, Because country population and statistics of distribution of a awardees are not the same type of samples. Statistically speaking.

That's my point, I wasn't substituting I was presenting an allegory, and apparently I thought the websites statistic was right(my bad), I wouldn't have used it.
We have 'popularly distinguished geniuses'(a few) in different fields today & of time past, but we also brilliant minds at all levels of accomplishment. My argument was that most of those 'distinguished geniuses' are irreligious and I also mentioned some of their names.

4kings:

That's my point, I wasn't substituting I was presenting an allegory, and apparently I thought the websites statistic was right(my bad), I wouldn't have used it.
We have 'popularly distinguished geniuses'(a few) in different fields today & of time past, but we also brilliant minds at all levels of accomplishment. My argument was that most of those 'distinguished geniuses' are irreligious and I also mentioned some of their names.

Nigeria is playing good football against Japan and you are making logical fallacies upandan .

KingEbukasBlog:


Nigeria is playing good football against Japan and you are making logical fallacies upandan .

So u still dey awake.
They will win IJN

KingEbukasBlog:


Nigeria is playing good football against Japan and you are making logical fallacies upandan .

Not to cause any much argument, but remember from what I wrote in my first post that I knew u would bring up the Nobel laurettes, I was just presenting my argument in another view.

4kings:

That's my point, I wasn't substituting I was presenting an allegory, and apparently I thought the websites statistic was right(my bad), I wouldn't have used it.
We have 'popularly distinguished geniuses'(a few) in different fields today & of time past, but we also brilliant minds at all levels of accomplishment. My argument was that most of those 'distinguished geniuses' are irreligious and I also mentioned some of their names.

But when u use the word "most", u r making a statistical claim.
And where is ur reliable backup for that,
U cant just make such statement and give few examples. Give ur statistical source.

At least there are statistical backups for data on religious intellectual achievements.

And he gave u one.

KingEbukasBlog:


Nigeria is playing good football against Japan and you are making logical fallacies upandan .

Lol

felixomor:


But when u use the word "most", u r making a statistical claim.
And where is ur reliable backup for that,
U cant just make such statement and give few examples. Give ur statistical source.

At least there are statistical backups for data on religious intellectual achievements.

And he gave u one.

Ahhhhhhh
I knew he was going to give that same statistics according to my first post, I was just coming from another perspective.
Like it is generally known religion has been very predominant among ALL, in time past. But we know of guys like Galileo whose mission was considered heretical in his time, Pythagoras, Aristotle, Einstein, Karl Marx and co, this guys(distinguished) have led men from the freedom of primitive accustomed views to the state of knowledge the world is correctly in, and they're are all irreligious.
That's why I mentioned names emphasis on 'distinguished' again.

Talking about statistics, Japan and China for example that are at the forefront of technological advancement are mostly irreligious, but I won't want to go further in any argument.

Anas09:

Who even started this Moniker piling? Now every Punk will spew trash and line up Monikers.
Joe, go borrow some sense if you let a smarter dude got yours. Now stay off my mention except you have something reasonable to say.

is like the op is new on nairaland. Old argument.

Honestly op, I'm disappointed, the majority of the points you stated were not valid arguments against Christianity (some were) and those Christian 'scholars' would have an easy time providing rebuttals because even I can pretend to be a Christian for a few minutes and provide logical arguments for Christians, for some of tge points. What I was expecting were really strong arguments that really bring out the foolishness of Christianity

AnonyNymous:
Honestly op, I'm disappointed, the majority of the points you stated were not valid arguments against Christianity (some were) and those Christian 'scholars' would have an easy time providing rebuttals because even I can pretend to be a Christian for a few minutes and provide logical arguments for Christians, for some of tge points. What I was expecting were really strong arguments that really bring out the foolishness of Christianity

Like which?

felixomor:


Azzzin,

I thot i was the only one who laughed when I saw the website name he was using as reference.

The guy is funny!

No mind am