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Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by analice107: 5:15pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
MrPresident1:Have you met me? Bring it on. My point is, Isaac and Rebecca didn't go running around committing fornication before their parents knew that they were to marry. It done right. There was no premarital sex between them. |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by analice107: 5:20pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
MuttleyLaff:Make him vary go. Na MrPresident1 him be. You don swim finish? 1 Like 1 Share |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by Nobody: 5:24pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
A very ridiculous analysis. I'll be back later |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MuttleyLaff: 5:31pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
analice107:MrPresident1 is just harmlessly sporting with you. analice107:Yep. Drying up and about leaving. They close at six. |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by lepasharon(f): 5:52pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
Jesus should have gone to uni |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by analice107: 6:09pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
MuttleyLaff:You see my phone don go spell vary for emsef wey nah carry I type. It's well oo. |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MuttleyLaff: 7:04pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
analice107:When am on the phone, the same thing happens, the phone starts flexing like say the jayro get a mind of its own, but I literally slap it on the head the moment it tries second guessing and changing what I've originally typed. I always give it a close marking to check it pulling a fast one on me. |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by BAZETU12: 7:23pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
Don't let any white man to deceive you any more about jesus
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Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by analice107: 8:45pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
MuttleyLaff:I have tried to readjust it, It didn't work. It's very embarrassing. I type a word, it brings another word entirely word. |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MrPresident1: 10:22pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
analice107: Is it a China phone? Nokla or Samsong? |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MrPresident1: 10:34pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
analice107: Actually, sex is marriage. In the eyes of THE MOST HIGH, sex is marriage. There is no such thing as premarital sex, once you enter the place you must remain in the place forever, otherwise it becomes sin. Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; Actually again, it is YAH Himself who calls into the deeper secrets of His book, you take a step towards Him, He takes several steps toward you. |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MrPresident1: 10:35pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
AnalyticEngine: When are you coming back? Olodo |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MrPresident1: 10:56pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
analice107: I have answered the question of Jesus' learning earlier in this thread. Jesus had access to the best of education, the one available to only the highest nobility. He was also greatly endowed with wisdom from God. Luke 2:46-47 46 And it came to pass, that after three days they found him in the temple, sitting in the midst of the doctors, both hearing them, and asking them questions. 47 And all that heard him were astonished at his understanding and answers. John 7:15-17 And the Jews marvelled, saying, How knoweth this man letters, having never learned? 16 Jesus answered them, and said, My doctrine is not mine, but his that sent me. 17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God, or [whether] I speak of myself. The Jews were marvelled because Jesus did not school with the Pharisees or the Saduccees yet he had deep knowledge of the letters (or the Law). It was not that he could not read that they marvelled at, it is the fact that Jesus was expounding Scriptures in the deepest sense, in a radically new way far different from the sanctimonious puritanism of the Jewish leaders. |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MrPresident1: 11:08pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
MuttleyLaff: Isaiah 6:9 And he said, Go, and tell this people, Hear ye indeed, but understand not; and see ye indeed, but perceive not. Don't worry, when the cities are wasted without inhabitant, you will understand. continue reading from verse 10 |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MrPresident1: 11:21pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
MuttleyLaff: Tell me about the assets you are blessed with , are your assets in front or at the back or both? Stop quoting NLT bible, that is a dead bible doctored to keep the dead completely and permanently dead! Which one is Oshogbo weed or bath salts The temple according to the dimensions given was just about the size of a basketball court, how could the whole of Israel fit into such a space? it was all symbolic language. The difference between Moses' tabernacle of congregation and Solomon's temple is that Solomon was actually authorized to build the temple, Moses could not call his own a temple because they had not yet gotten to the pace where God would choose 'to place His name there'. Both Moses' tabernacle of congregation and Solomon's temple were capital cities. Moses' capital in the wilderness on the way to the Promised land, and Solomon's capital in the promised land. |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MrPresident1: 11:24pm On Aug 07, 2016 |
lepasharon: He was/is a very learned person |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MuttleyLaff: 12:26am On Aug 08, 2016 |
MrPresident1:Is this how you grow your tent? With smutty jokes? Go sit down elsewhere or go to a corner and pitch a tent there. MrPresident1:I don't intend to lose any sleep quoting NLT bible because quoting it was a random selection Dont lose sleep over it MrPresident1:Good natured banter MrPresident1:1While King David was living in his house, the LORD gave him peace with all his enemies around him. 2So the king said to the prophet Nathan, "Look, I'm living in a house made of cedar, while the ark of God remains in the tent." 3Nathan told the king, "Do everything you have in mind, because the LORD is with you." 4But that same night the LORD spoke his word to Nathan: 5"Say to my servant David, 'This is what the LORD says: Are you the one who will build me a house to live in? 6I haven't lived in a house from the day I took Israel out of Egypt to this day. Instead, I moved around in a tent, the tent [of meeting]. 7In all the places I've moved with all the Israelites, did I ever ask any of the judges of Israel whom I ordered to be shepherds of my people Israel why they didn't build me a house of cedar?' 8"Now this is what you will say to my servant David: 'This is what the LORD of Armies says: I took you from the pasture where you followed sheep so that you could be the leader of my people Israel. 9I was with you wherever you went, and I destroyed all your enemies in front of you. I will make your name famous like the names of the greatest people on earth. 10I will make a place for my people Israel and plant them there. They will live in their own place and not be troubled anymore. The wicked will no longer oppress them as they used to do 11ever since I appointed judges to rule my people Israel. So I will give you peace with all your enemies. I, the LORD, tell you that I will make a house for you. 12" 'When the time comes for you to lie down in death with your ancestors, I will send one of your descendants, [one] who will come from you. I will establish his kingdom. 13He will build a house for my name, and I will establish the throne of his kingdom forever. 14I will be his Father, and he will be my Son. If he sins, I will punish him with a rod and with blows inflicted by people - 2 Samuel 7:1-14 GOD'S WORD Translation |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by analice107: 8:38am On Aug 08, 2016 |
MrPresident1:Hahahahahahahaha. You mean Jesus had the best of education by listening to Lawyers talk just for one day? It was just one day MrPresident1. 1day. He and his family lived in Nazareth, and from there they came to a pass over feast. And on the day they should return, Jesus had gone into the Temple, they left believing he was with them, after like a days journey, they discovered he wasn't with them, they went around looking for him, they found him in the temple listening and asking questions. That's the Noble education you mean? Why are we even having this discussion? It doesn't matter whether Jesus was educated or not. His mission on earth wasn't to get education, but to die, and he died. My sins are atoned for, he promised to send me the Holy Spirit, he did. He promised to return, am expecting him, that's what I shd be talking about. Good morning your excellency. |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by analice107: 9:12am On Aug 08, 2016 |
MrPresident1:Yes MrPresident, Sex is Marriage. In the sense that, Sex consummates Marriage. It ties people together. That's why it shouldn't be done except couples have tied the knots. I don't know what you mean by "There's no such thing as PREMARITAL SEX" All the sex we are running around having is called what? If SEX IS MARRIAGE going by your context, all the chicks you have had sex with are your wives? Your Excellency sir, any sex you have when both of your families (male and female), have not agreed to become one family in marriage "BEFORE GOD" (as Christians), is termed as Premarital sex sir. |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by analice107: 9:35am On Aug 08, 2016 |
MrPresident1:Ifinix Hot 2. My iPhone refused to give me identify in NL. Dey phone Stressed me trying to register an account. Anytime I come in with the iPhone, I remain a guest. BB holds my other identify. |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by Nobody: 12:12pm On Aug 08, 2016 |
MrPresident1: The conclusion of your argument is that the immediate family of Jesus as at that time was among those of the highest social class. Excellent. MrPresident1: Let's include Matthew 13:54 When He had come to His own country, He taught them in their synagogue, so that they were astonished and said, “Where did this Man get this wisdom and these mighty works? My friend, their amazement at his teachings definitely suggest that Jesus was not from a noble class. The display of impeccable wisdom was expected of the elite only. MrPresident1: The premises of and inductions from your argument is that between the days of temple building and the days of Jesus; 1. ALL carpenters and smiths built the God's temple 2. Either the same carpenters and smiths who built the temple were still alive as at the time Jesus began his ministry or ALL their children continued with their parent's trade. 3. Should anyone have opened a workshop during the time of Jesus where he supplies such services like carpentry, he automatically is an elite 4. Not only were the nobles artisans, smiths etc, they doubled as teachers of the law (adduced from your argument). Therefore, Pharisees and Saducees were carpenters and smiths. Your argument is fantastically invalid. The following scriptures do not support your claims of Jesus being of the highest level of nobility: “For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that, though he was rich, yet for your sakes He became poor, that you through his poverty might be rich.” (2Co 8:9) but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men (Phil 2:7) Mary could sacrifice only two turtle doves which was a poor households sacrifice for the purification of child birth (Lev 12:2-8; Luk 2:24). If the family of Jesus was among the highest nobles of their time, he certainly would have been buried in their own noble tomb. Instead, he was buried in a rich man's tomb. That the bible emphasised he was buried in a rich man's tomb shows he was not from the elite class else it might not have been necessary to mention it. When I used the word 'ridiculous' to describe your your premises and the conclusion of your argument, I do not mean it to insult you. I used it in an attempt to accurately describe the nature of your argument. |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MuttleyLaff: 12:40pm On Aug 08, 2016 |
AnalyticEngine:ROTBL welcome to MrPresident1's world of eisegesis Just a throw him a rope, trust he'll either use it as a life line to get out of the hole he's digging himself in or use it to tangle himself up more with it. |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by analice107: 2:58pm On Aug 08, 2016 |
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Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by analice107: 2:58pm On Aug 08, 2016 |
BAZETU12:Where did you leave your brian? Hahahahaha. Is Jeaus a Roman citizen or a Jew? oh wait!!! Yeah, he was a Catholic. gerraaaaaat |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MrPresident1: 9:10pm On Aug 08, 2016 |
MuttleyLaff: It is good natured banter, don't be uptight and prudish MuttleyLaff: Hatred for God made the god of this world to doctor the Bible, God has promised to reward His haters, His promises are infallible Deuteronomy 32:41 If I whet my glittering sword, and mine hand take hold on judgment; I will render vengeance to mine enemies, and will reward them that hate me. 42 I will make mine arrows drunk with blood, and my sword shall devour flesh; and that with the blood of the slain and of the captives, from the beginning of revenges upon the enemy. Your God's Word translation is fake, if it is not KJV, if it comes later than KJV, IT IS FAKE In conclusion, the deeper layers of the Bible, the richer marrow, the wealthier vein of gold, is in pictures and not in words, if you cannot see it, then it is not in you |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MrPresident1: 9:32pm On Aug 08, 2016 |
analice107: Matthew 7:28 And it came to pass, when Jesus had ended these sayings, the people were astonished at his doctrine: Matthew 22:33-34 And when the multitude heard this, they were astonished at his doctrine. 34 But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence,... The Pharisees and the Sadducees were considered the most learned men of the temple, yet the Pharisees heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, he slew them with knowledge , just the way I slay Goshen360 whenever he shows his face on my threads . The point is that Jesus being a son of a carpenter, which carpenter means of noble birth, was exposed to the noblest of education, and then endowed by THE MOST HIGH with great wisdom, a combination of these factors enabled him to slay both the Pharisees and the sadducees Wherever he meets them, he slays them, and they always invariably left him alone Matthew 22:22 When they had heard these words, they marvelled, and left him, and went their way. |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MrPresident1: 9:48pm On Aug 08, 2016 |
analice107: Sex is marriage, a wedding does not become a marriage until the consummation, so if the wedding is not consummated is it valid? As long as there is no consummation of marital vows marriage is not yet valid. In your own words, Sex consummates Marriage. I am telling you again, Sweery, that there is no such thing as premarital sex, it is an invalid oxymoron. Sex is marriage, the secret act of sex is the marriage before God, that is the union of the souls, if the souls are not united, they can never be one. So they whole world may witness a wedding made in heaven, but if there is no sex between the man and the woman to consummate and seal the union, they are only just housemates. So even if families agree, but there is no sex, no deal. Sex is marriage, once there is sex between a man and a woman, an exchange of souls, they are married, no need for ceremony, ceremony is secondary, God sees and recognizes both of them as man and wife. The time of ignorance has passed Acts 17:30 And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent: Ps: There is also no such thing extramarital sex, the last person to enter the place is the owner of the place, a lot of people are not living with their spouses in the eyes of God |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MrPresident1: 9:51pm On Aug 08, 2016 |
analice107: Maybe the phone is Hiphone , the 'H' was sandpapered away so you were conned into buying Hiphone instead of iphone |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MrPresident1: 11:11pm On Aug 08, 2016 |
AnalyticEngine: My friend, go through the thread again read from the beginning, open your Bible and follow the thread/tutorial step by step. Jesus was of the house of David, the house of David is the nobility of Israel, do you understand? Romans 1:3 AnalyticEngine: Israel had devolved greatly by the time Jesus came on the scene, the house of David was no longer in power, Israel was under Roman rule at this time, Jesus being described as a carpenter's son is to show the nobility of his birth Jeremiah 29:2 When Nebuchadnezzar deported Israel burned Jerusalem, the Bible records that he carried captive the carpenters and the smiths to his temple in babylon, carpenters and smiths are figurative descriptions of the teachers, the learned men, and the nobility, men who built the temple of God, the temple of God is the heart of man. Carpenter as used in the Bible is different from carpenter as used in contemporary society. The Pharisees and the Sadducees were bad carpenters, they were not building the temple of God aright, they were bad workmen, Timothy was a good workman, all good pastors are good workmen, all bad pastor are bad workmen. AnalyticEngine: You are nauseatingly ignorant. The house of David was not king over Israel during the time of the incarnation of Jesus, Jesus was a man until the Holy Spirit conceived him (I do not expect you to understand this), Jesus was rich, yes! because David is king over Israel, but he came lowly to fulfill the purpose of his coming, he was to come and die, his kingdom had not yet come! So he was rich, but he came lowly to fulfill the purpose of his coming, does this lowly incarnation of his remove from his nobility as a son of David? Humble yourself, it is your arrogance and pomposity that did not allow you to grasp the truth, and has made you clutch at straws till date, (I have an inkling who you are). AnalyticEngine: More nausea inducing ignorance. If you had humbled yourself, and tried to learn, you wouldn't be here today spouting stomach churning nonsense at this epoch in the evolution of knowledge, arrogance destroyed you. Shame! Take note, I am not arguing with you or anyone, if you do not understand me, it just simply means it is not in you, that is just as easy as it is. Jesus said his own sheep will hear his own voice. There were all written in allegories, the Bible was not meant to be understood literally, the words were meant to be seen in pictures, they were not meant to be taken literally. Jesus was from David, that he came lowly, does it remove from the fact that he was of the highest nobility? Does it? It was his purpose, the purpose of his incarnation demanded a low estate, but he was rich! In conclusion, Jesus Christ is not a single person, under that name is a composite of characters, therefore everything said to have been done by Jesus Christ is allegories with deeper meaning when examined compositely. |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by MrPresident1: 11:37pm On Aug 08, 2016 |
MuttleyLaff: TrajansKong: Take a good look at what TrajansKong posted and you will see sincerity, many are only waiting to be truly enlightened on the true nature of God, they are tired and sick of the shenanigans of fake pastors and fake religion. Even if a person professes atheism, and he is sincere in his dealings with his fellow human beings, he will make heaven before the evil fellow who uses the Bible to cover or justify evil deeds. What I teach is not for the masses, it is for only the prepared heart, only the worthy will find sense in what I am saying, the more the unworthy try to understand the more confused they will be. The true owners were called to a feast, they prevaricated, then outsiders were called to partake of the feast that was meant for the children because they have been found worthier than the so called children, this will be the case of so many 'Christians' when the son of man is revealed. Read Luke 14:16-24 |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by Nobody: 9:03am On Aug 09, 2016 |
MrPresident1: No, I don't. It has nothing to do with the premise of your argument which states (paraphrasing), "Carpentry was used to signify Jesus' nobility" MrPresident1: The premises are predicated upon the assumption that carpenters figuratively refers to nobility. Your evidence is that the bible used carpenters and smiths in conjunction with learned men according to Jeremiah 24. In my opinion, this is spurious and ridiculous of you or who ever the source of your write up is. By your logic, if any profession is juxtaposed with any social class in a sentence to illustrate an event, then it automatically means that profession is attached to that social class. Fantastic. MrPresident1:Beautiful MrPresident1: @bolded, I want to be intelligent like you when I grow up. Again, you claim that Jesus was rich and from a noble home, beautiful. For the sake of the point I want to make, let me assume it is true. So now, does it automatically imply that carpentry was used to ascribe nobility to Jesus? Your response is 'yes' and you quoted Jer 24. This is exactly the most ridiculous of your premises. MrPresident1: Seriously, did all you wrote really make sense to you? MrPresident1: Feel free to hurl all the torrents you want. Neither am I arguing with you. Just performing my civic responsibility by pointing out errors that are in the guise of truth for the sake of posterity. It won't change a thing. All I am saying is when ever you present an argument, back them up with discrete and valid premises. Not like the ones you've got up there. They are very silly and they tend to portray you as a matured idiot. MrPresident1: For example, when the bible says "though shall not steal" according to your logic, it shouldn't be understood literally. Therefore, what could be the actual meaning since it is figurative? MrPresident1: I would have asked you to explain the relationship between your concluding remarks and your opening propositions but I am tired of reading poo. |
Re: You Thought Jesus Was A Carpenter, As In A Furniture Maker? by analice107: 3:08pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
MrPresident1:Ok |
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