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| Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Nobody: 7:50pm On Aug 06, 2016*. Modified: 3:36pm On Dec 11, 2016 |
Many times on this forum, we've seen misguided folks trying to ridicule the personality of Abu hurayrah, a great man, who was VERY PIOUS AND TRUTHFUL, one of the allegations levied against him is, "the time he stayed with the prophet was very short, how could he have narrated so much ahadith" I say: abu Hurayrah is not alone in having narrated a lot. Many of the younger Companions such as ibn `Abbās, ibn `Umar, ibn `Amr, abu Sa`īd, Jābir, `A’ishah, Anas and others narrated plenty and had dedicated their time to teaching. Abu Hurayrah narrated a lot due to several reasons, such as: a- He always stuck by the Prophet’s (peace be upon him) side, since he accompanied him for three years. He himself said: “People say: Abu Hurayrah narrates much. Know that if it weren’t for two verses I would not have narrated at all: {Lo! Those who hide the proofs and the guidance which We revealed,} until {I am the Relenting, the Merciful.} Our brothers from the Muhājireen were busy working in the markets, while the Ansār were busy with trade. However, aba Hurayrah was always alongside the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), hoping to be fed. I’ve witnessed what you have not and I’ve heard what you have not.{Bukhārī 118} b- The Prophet (peace be upon him) asked Allah to strengthen his memory. Abu Hurayrah narrated: I said: “O’ Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him), I hear a lot from you but I keep forgetting.” He said: “Extend your cloak.” I extended it. He grabbed it with his hand, then told me: “Embrace it.” Since I did this I haven’t forgotten a thing.{Bukhārī 119} c- Abu Hurayrah had dedicated his time for teaching. d- He had a lot of students, almost eight-hundred in total. e- He died much later than others, in the year 57 or 58 Hijri. Moreover, his narrations can be split into these categories: a- Weak narrations incorrectly attributed to abu Hurayrah. b- Repetitions, which is often the case. c- What he narrates from senior Companions, such as the ten and the Mothers of Believers, but he wouldn’t mention their names as he trusts them, and this is known as Mursal al-sahabī. d- His own words and sayings. Bukhārī and Muslim have agreed on 326 narrations from abu Hurayrah only. Bukhārī narrated 93 from him exclusively, while Muslim narrated 98 from him exclusively. I add, most prophetic narrations reported by abu Hurayrah are not solely transmitted by him, but was backed by other Companions who also narrated them. What proves his great memorization is what al-Ḥākim wrote, that Marwān summoned abu Hurayrah and began asking him while a man, who hid in the room, would write down everything. When a year passed, he summoned him again and asked him about the same matters that were documented in the book, so abu Hurayrah repeated it all without additions or subtractions.{Siyar A`lām al-Nubalā’ 2/598} Testimonies of the people of knowledge concerning abu Hurayrah: Al-Shāfi`ī said: Abu Hurayrah was the best at memorizing narrations in his time. Abu āli Dhakwān said: Abu Hurayrah was the best of the Prophet’s (peace be upon him) Companions in memorizing. Al-Dhahabī said: An Imam, a Faqīh, a Mujtahid, a hafidh, a companion of the Messenger of Allah (peace be upon him) and master of the hufadh This reply is originally that of sheykh Al-khamees – hafidhahullaah – may Allaah preserve him – with some modifications. |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Presbulg(m): 12:34am On Aug 07, 2016 |
Jazakallahu khayran I still have a lot to learn. |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Nobody: 4:41am On Aug 07, 2016 |
Presbulg:Wa iyak! Actually its everybody that has alot to learn, no one can know it all except Al-'ALIM(Allaah), knowledge is like a vast ocean, you can only fetch the one you are able to as you cant fetch the whole ocean... |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by abduljabbar4(m): 9:29am On Aug 07, 2016 |
I love this section |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Newnas(m): 9:56am On Aug 07, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:JazaakumuLLaahu khayraa. Meanwhile the shia are coming for your head ![]() |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Nobody: 9:59am On Aug 07, 2016 |
^^ |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Nobody: 10:48am On Aug 07, 2016 |
Newnas: lol, wa iyak! i wont Even waste my time, the op is clear enough for the wise... |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Nobody: 12:28pm On Aug 08, 2016 |
Abu hurayrah love for the prophet He expressed his deep love for the Holy Prophet (pbuh) by saying “When I see you, I become happy, you enlighten my eyes and my heart”. After the death of Prophet Muhammad, there were times when he couldn’t hold back his tears in the Prophet’s Mosque as he was telling a hadith. Gotten from: http://www.lastprophet.info/abu-hurairah |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by AlBaqir(m): 9:11pm On Aug 08, 2016 |
Newnas:In sha Allah we are on our way especially when its come to the issue of Islamic paul |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by AlBaqir(m): 9:12pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:We are absolutely not the first to levelled charges against Abu Hurairah due to his excessive narrations which are usually attributed to the Prophet. # Many Tabi'in (whom Ahlu sunnah considered as Salaf) especially those who lived at his time greatly thought of him as liar. Imam Muslim in his Sahih documents: Narrated Abu Zarin: Abu Hurayrah came to us, and he hit his forehead with his hand, and said, "YOU PEOPLE TALK, SAYING THAT I ATTRIBUTE LIES TO THE MESSENGER OF Allah, peace be upon him, in order to guide you while I go astray. Verily, I testify that I heard the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, saying: 'When the thong of anyone of you is broken, he should not walk in the other one until he has repaired it (i.e. the damaged one).'" Reference : Sahih Muslim 2098 a In-book reference : Book 37, Hadith 112 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 24, Hadith 5233 http://sunnah.com/muslim/37 If truly Abu Hurairah was a very pious and truthful Sahabi, why would his "students (Tabi'in)" doubt him so much? And indeed this thought of these Tabi'in are justified due to the fact that Abu Hurairah was caught red-handed. Imam al-Bukhari documents: Chapter: It is obligatory to spend for one's wife and household. Narrated Abu Huraira: "The Prophet (s) said, 'The best alms is that which is given when one is rich, and a giving hand is better than a taking one, and you should start first to support your dependents.' A wife says, 'You should either provide me with food or divorce me.' A slave says, 'Give me food and enjoy my service." A son says, "Give me food; to whom do you leave me?" The people said, "O Abu Huraira! Did you hear that from Allah's Messenger (s) ?" He said, "No, it is from Abu Hurairah's bag" Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 5355 In-book reference : Book 69, Hadith 5 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 7, Book 64, Hadith 268 http://sunnah.com/bukhari/69/5 NOTE: We can clearly see how this man started his narrations with "The Prophet said". Here he was caught red-handed. Soon we shall give another example. How many more of his bag's formulations are also like that which were not exposed?! lexiconkabir:The truth remain: # None of the above-mentioned sahabah narrated more than Abu Hurairah # All of the above-mentioned sahabah had a longer companionship with the Prophet than Abu Hurairah. # And talk about Abdullah ibn Amr, Abu Hurairah has this to say: Imam Bukhari documents: Narrated Abu Huraira: There is none among the companions of the Prophet (s) who has narrated more Hadiths than I except `Abdullah bin `Amr (bin Al-`As) who used to write them and I never did the same. Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 113 In-book reference : Book 3, Hadith 55 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 1, Book 3, Hadith 113 www.sunnah.com/bukhari/3 Unfortunately, less than 700 ahadith were found in the name of Abdullah ibn Amr (less than 1/7th of Abu Hurairah). And Ibn Amr died much later and worked greatly in the service of Islam (in Egypt) than Abu Hurairah (who narrated thousands upon thousands of ahadith). |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by AlBaqir(m): 9:19pm On Aug 09, 2016*. Modified: 9:46pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:This is a ploy to buy more year for Abu Hurairah. The truth remain he only spent THREE YEARS with Nabi salallahu alayhi wa ahli. He accepted Islam late after the conquest of Khaybar in 7 A.H. Narrated Abu Huraira: I enjoyed the company of Allah's Messenger (s) FOR THREE YEARS , and during the other years of my life, never was I so anxious to understand the (Prophet's) traditions as I was during those three years. I heard him saying, beckoning with his hand in this way, "Before the Hour you will fight with people who will have hairy shoes and live in Al-Bazir." (Sufyan, the sub-narrator once said, "And they are the people of Al-Bazir." ![]() Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3591 In-book reference : Book 61, Hadith 98 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 56, Hadith 789 http://sunnah.com/bukhari/61/ lexiconkabir:From the above confessions of Abu Hurairah, following were deducted: # He says, "Know that if it weren’t for two verses I would not have narrated at all" And indeed Abu Hurairah narrated excessively (more than 5000 ahadith) yet he confessed to have hidden too many also. Imam Bukhari documents: Narrated Abu Huraira: I have memorized two kinds of knowledge from Allah's Messenger (s) . I have propagated one of them to you and if I propagated the second, then my pharynx (throat) would be cut (i.e. killed). Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 120 In-book reference : Book 3, Hadith 62 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 1, Book 3, Hadith 121 http://sunnah.com/bukhari/3 Why would he charge the Tabi'in of his time (esp. his students) with his murder for having narrating "ahadith from the Prophet?". None of those who also narrated excessively after him was accused of lying or feared that their throat will be cut off for narrating too much. Praise be to our Lord for exposing him narrating his formulation from his bag using the name of Nabi salallahu alayhi wa ahli. And indeed if he dare narrate what's in other bags, his throat would have been cut off. # He says, "Our brothers from the Muhājireen were busy working in the markets, while the Ansār were busy with trade. However, aba Hurayrah was always alongside the Messenger of Allah Keeping with the Prophet "constantly", he foster two excuses: * To fill his never satiated belly and, * To witness things Those are two excuses of Abu Hurairah for narrating excessive ahadith. These excuses can never be justify for his excessive narrations due to following reasons: # Fact 1: HE USED TO RUN AFTER FOOD FROM OTHER THAN THE PROPHET Whatever hours he uses with the Prophet per day have been reduced while running after other people for food. Narrated Abu Huraira: The people used to say, "Abu Huraira narrates too many narrations." In fact I used to keep close to Allah's Messenger (s) to satisfy what filled my stomach( وَإِنِّي كُنْتُ أَلْزَمُ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم بِشِبَعِ بَطْنِي، ). I ate no leavened bread and dressed no decorated striped clothes, and never did a man or a woman serve me, and I often used to press my belly against gravel because of hunger, and I used to ask a man to recite a Qur'anic Verse to me although I knew it, so that he would take me to his home and feed me. And the most generous of all the people to the poor was Ja`far bin Abi Talib. He used to take us to his home and offer us what was available therein. He would even offer us an empty folded leather container (of butter) which we would split and lick whatever was in it. Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3708 In-book reference : Book 62, Hadith 59 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 5, Book 57, Hadith 57 http://sunnah.com/bukhari/62 # Fact 2: THOSE WHO STAYED LONGER WITH THE PROPHET NEVER NARRATED MORE THAN ABU HURAIRAH * Wives of the Prophet Stayed with the Prophet longer than him In terms of hours, days, weeks, months and years, Ummu Salamah and Aisha spent more with the Prophet than Abu Hurairah. None of the Prophet's wives (apart from Bibi Khadijah who died long ago) were known for working at all. And there were records that selected wife(s) used to accompany the Prophet to whatever expedition he goes. Yet, adding all the wives narrations together, its never up to 1/2 of what Abu Hurairah narrated. * Imam Ali, the most knowledgeable never narrated up to Abu Hurairah Ali was nurtured by the Prophet himself since age 3 (almost 16 years before Prophethood), and was with the Prophet till he (s) breathe his last. In short, Ali witnessed the whole 23 years of Prophethood era. Imam Ali was regarded as the best judge (who can rule with the Quran and Sunnah) of the entire Prophet's Ummah. In fact Ali uncovered this: # Al-Hafiz Ibn Kathir (d.774 H): Shu'bah b. al-Hajjaj, from Simak, from Khalid b. Ar'arah that he heard 'Ali; and Shu'bah again narrated from al-Qasim b. Abi Barrah from Abu al-Tufayl that he heard 'Ali; and it is also authentically transmitted through many chains that Amir al-Muminin 'Ali ibn Abi Talib climbed the pulpit of Kufah and said, "You will not ask me about ANY verse in the book of Allah, or about ANY Sunnah from the Messenger of Allah, except that I will inform you of that." Source: Tafsir al-Quran al-Azim (Dar al-Taybah Li al-Nashr wa al-Tawzi; 2nd edition, 1420H) [annotator: Sami b. Muhammad Salamah], vol.7, p.413} And Imam Ali sealed this claim saying: # Imam al-Hakim (d.403H) also records: Abu al-Hasan 'Ali b. Muhammad b. Uqbah - al-Hasan b. Ali b. Affan - Muhammad b. Ubayd al-Tanafasi - Bassam b. Abd al-Rahman al-Sayarfi - Abu al-Tufayl: I saw Amir al-Muminin Ali b. Abi Talib, may Allah be please with him, saying on the pulpit, "Ask me before you are no longer able to ask me, and you will never be able to ask anyone like me after me. Al-Hakim says: A hadith with Sahih chain Al-Dhahabi (d.748H) agrees: Sahih Source: al-Mustadrak ala al-Sahihayn (Beirut: Dar al-Kutub al-'Illmiyah; 1st edition, 1411H) [annotator: Mustafa Abd al-Qadir Ata], vol.2, p.506, #3736} Unfortunately, according to Ahlu Sunnah books of ahadith, Ali only narrated less than 500 ahadith while Abu Hurairah (who lived more years after him) narrated more than 5,000 ahadith. # Fact 3: PROPHET BUSY SCHEDULE How many hours per day does Nabi salallahu alayhi wa ahli could ever dedicated for Abu Hurairah (in 3 years) for narrating more than 5,000 ahadith ? * Last three years were the most busiest years for the Prophet: - Different expeditions, wars, - visitations of emissaries from different quarters, - special time for his family, - special time for his daily ibaadat esp during Ramadan, - conquest of Makkah, - last hajj, - his last illness etc. One of the most dedicated Sahabah, Abdullah ibn Mas'ud explains further: Narrated Ibn Mas`ud: The Prophet (s) used to take care of us in preaching by selecting a suitable time, so that we might not get bored. (He abstained from pestering us with sermons and knowledge all the time). Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 68 In-book reference : Book 3, Hadith 10 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 1, Book 3, Hadith 68 With all these and more, Abu Hurairah is actually telling us that Prophet used to teach him more than 5 ahadith per day non-stop for 3 years. |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by AlBaqir(m): 9:26pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
Below is another excuse for Abu Hurairah's excessive narrations: lexiconkabir:And what a memory he had! Imam Muslim documents: Abu al-Rabi’ al-‘Ataki and Abu Kamil al-Jahdari Fudayl b. Husayn – Hammad b. Zayd – Ayyub – Muhammad – Abu Hurayrah: Sulayman had SIXTY women and he said: “I will go around to all of them tonight, and each of them will become pregnant, and each one of them will give birth to a boy who will become a knight who will fight in the Cause of Allah.” But, none of them became pregnant except one, who gave birth to a malformed child." The Prophet, peace be upon him, said....." http://islamport.com/d/1/mtn/1/78/2900.html Imam Bukhari however documents: Abd b. Humayd – ‘Abd al-Razzaq b. Hammam – Ma’mar – Ibn Tawus – his father – Abu Hurayrah: Sulayman b. Dawud said: “Tonight, I will go around to SEVENTY women and each of them will give birth to a boy who will fight in the Cause of Allah.” It was said to him: “Say ‘insha Allah,’” but he did not say it. He went around to them, but none of them gave birth except one woman, who gave birth to a malformed child.” The Messenger of Allah, peace be upon ...." Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3424 In-book reference : Book 60, Hadith 96 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 55, Hadith 635 http://sunnah.com/bukhari/60 Yet Aba Hurairah is not done yet. Imam Bukhari also documents: Mahmud – ‘Abd al-Razzaq – Ma’mar – Ibn Tawus – his father – Abu Hurayrah: Sulayman b. Dawud, peace be upon them both, said: “Tonight, I will go around to ONE HUNDRED WOMEN. Each woman will give birth to a boy who will fight in the Cause of Allah.” The angel said to him: “Say ‘insha Allah.’” But, he did not say it, and he was caused to forget. Then, he went round to them, and none of them gave birth to a child except one woman, who gave birth to a malformed child...." Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 2819 In-book reference : Book 56, Hadith 35 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 52, Hadith 74 http://sunnah.com/bukhari/56 NOTE: And talk about Nabi Sulaiman alayhi Salam, how does such unreasonable description did justice to his person? A Prophet of Allah that slept with 60 - 100 women in a Night and refused to say "in sha Allah" despite being reminded by an Angel. La haola wala quwata illah billah. Allah, the Most High, gives who Sulaiman truly was: "And to Dawud, We gave Sulaiman (for a son). How excellent (a) slave he was ever oft-returning in repentance (to us)" (38.30) ABU HURAIRAH CONTINUES HIS TALES ABOUT PROPHETS OF GOD # Imam Bukhari documents one of these tales: Book of ghusl Chapter: One who baths alone Narrated Abu Huraira: The Prophet (s) said, 'The (people of) Bani Israel used to take bath naked (all together) looking at each other. The Prophet (s) Moses used to take a bath alone. They said, 'By Allah! Nothing prevents Moses from taking a bath with us except that he has a scrotal hernia.' So once Moses went out to take a bath and put his clothes over a stone and then that stone ran away with his clothes. Moses followed that stone saying, "My clothes, O stone! My clothes, O stone! till the people of Bani Israel saw him and said, 'By Allah, Moses has got no defect in his body. Moses took his clothes and began to beat the stone." Abu Huraira added, "By Allah! There are still six or seven marks present on the stone from that excessive beating." Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 278 In-book reference : Book 5, Hadith 30 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 1, Book 5, Hadith 277 http://sunnah.com/bukhari/5 * Was that addition (@underlined) from the Prophet also or from Abu Hurairah's bag? # Imam Muslim gives another tale: Book of virtues Chapter of (virtues of) Nabi Musa Abu Huraira reported Allah's Messenger (s) having said that the Angel of Death came to Moses and said: Respond (to the call) of Allah (i. e. be prepared for death). Moses (peace be upon him) gave a blow at the eye of the Angel of Death and knocked it out. The Angel went back to Allah (the Exalted) and said: You sent me to your servant who does not like to die and he knocked out my eye. Allah restored his eye to its proper place (and revived his eyesight) and said: Go to My servant and say: Do you want life? And in case you want life, keep your hand on the body of the ox and you would live such number of years as the (number of) hair your hand covers. He (Moses) said: What, then? He said: Then you would die, whereupon he (Moses) said: Then why not now? (He then prayed): Allah, cause me to die close to the sacred land. Allah's Messenger (s) said: Had I been near that place I would have shown his grave by the side of the path at the red mound." Reference : Sahih Muslim 2372 b In-book reference : Book 43, Hadith 207 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 30, Hadith 5852 http://sunnah.com/muslim/43 NOTE: Allah, ta'ala, gives a perfect description of Nabi Musa this way: And mention Musa in the Book; surely he was one purified (mukhlas), and he was an apostle, a prophet. And We called to him from the blessed side of the mountain, and We made him draw nigh, holding communion (with Us). {Sura Maryam: 51-52} * If Allah, ta'ala revealed His Prophets this way to Nabi Muhammad salallahu alayhi wa ahli, how is it possible that our Nabi will narrate the aforementioned unimaginable tales about his previous predecessors? Only in the bible can such tales and children cartoons be found - this is Rilwayne001 expertise. I leave you the esteemed readers to ponder on this beautiful summary of how Allah describes His Prophets: These are they on whom Allah bestowed favors, from among the prophets of the seed of Adam, and of those whom We carried with Nuh, and of the seed of Ibrahim and Israel, and of those whom We guided and chose; when the communications of the Beneficent Allah were recited to them, they fell down making obeisance and weeping. {Sura Maryam: 58} |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by AlBaqir(m): 9:35pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:* Students that continued to accuse their teacher of lying (in order to "guide" them) and used to caught his tricks red-handed! Well, we really don't know when exactly this man devoted his life for teaching. What is obvious are: # He was a governor during the Khilafah of Umar ibn al-Khattab. And Umar used to forbids and beat him for narrating ahadith on the lip of Nabi. And he embezzled public wealth that Khalifah Umar had to dealt with him harshly (though he argued those wealth were mere gifts). # He continue to hold offices at the time of the third Khalifah, Uthman ibn Affan. Abu Hurairah became rich in this regime. No scholar can ever deny the misappropriation of public funds during Uthman regime. # Abu Hurairah was NEVER EVER heard of during the regime of Imam Ali. Imam Ali disposed off all the governors of Uthmanic regime. Only the rebel Mu'awiyah refused to back down till he waged war against Imam Ali. # Abu Hurairah benefited immensely from the purse and regime of the Baghi Mu'awiyah ibn Abi Sufyan and continued to be reckoned with almost throughout the regime of subsequent Umayyad regime. lexiconkabir:# Abdullah ibn Amr whom Abu Hurairah confessed to be his master in ahadith narrations and writing died around 65, 67, 69 year of Hijrah. # Umm Salamah died around 64 year Hijri. # Jabir ibn Abdullah al-Ansari died around 78 year Hijri. # Asma bint Abi Bakr died around 100 year Hijri # Abdullah ibn Zubair died around 64 year hijri The list goes on, yet these were sahabah who spent far better years with the Prophet than Abu Hurairah and lived more years than Abu Hurairah, and none of them narrated 2/7 of what Abu Hurairah narrated even if you add up all their ahadith together. lexiconkabir:Fallacy. Here is a statistical analysis of al-Bukhari's hadith collection http://rpubs.com/aakazmi/statAhadith_0 May Allah bless and strengthen the brother who put out this great work. May Allah support him to finish the work. |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by AlBaqir(m): 10:06pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:Honestly its not really about you for you (and your cohorts) might decided to locked up your senses from clear evidences and facts but hundreds of thousands viewers will at least see the other side of this man. However I must thank you for this thread. It gives better opportunity to explore what we were unable to in the previous threads about Abu olongbo: https://www.nairaland.com/2934029/love-abu-hurayrah https://www.nairaland.com/3046418/abu-hurairah-mujassim-one-give |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Nobody: 10:55pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
AlBaqir:Many Tabi'in??? like seriously Albaqir? Imam Muslim in his Sahih documents:ya kadhdhaab! how did you know those people that accused him were his followers? to the extent that you said they are recognised by Ahlul sunnah? what are their names? anyway here is another narration found in ibn majah; abu rizin said thati saw abu huraira hitting his head with his hand and saying o people of iraq! you think that i lie upon holy prophet asws so that it gets easy for you; i testify that i heard prophet asws say that when a dog licks a vessel , wash it 7 times[sahih ibn maja, albani, vol 1, page 129, book of taharat, chapter when dog licks washing the utensil] Albaqir the people you claim that were Tab'ins of Abu Hurayrah are actually some UNKNOWN set of iraqis, so what if the same iraqis who killed Ali(ra), Hussayn(ra) called Abu hurayrah(ra) a liar? does that in anyway reduce his credibility? do you know how it sounds? like khwarijies made takfeer of Ali(ra), now if we see from the view of khwarijis then Ali(ra) did kufr. So now can you oh liar say that this was the reputation of Ali(ra) in his era? No? moreover The prophet was called a liar by the people he was sent to, does that in anyway make him a liar? a'udhubillah! The way you rawaafid think at times, is quite intriguing. And indeed this thought of these Tabi'in are justified due to the fact that Abu Hurairah was caught red-handed.really? Imam al-Bukhari documents:okay lets see it... Chapter: It is obligatory to spend for one's wife and household.Albaqir, whats your problem here? here is another narration; Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "The best alms is that which you give when you are rich, and you should start first to support your dependants."[bukhari 5356] so its very clear that in the initial hadith you quoted, the prophet words were actually what we see in this hadith, so when the people heard an addition, they asked him if he heard that from the prophet and being the HONEST and PIOUS man that he is, he didnt lie, rather he said, it was his own opinion, now i ask you Albaqir, if he had lied that the addition is also part of Muhammad's words, do you think they would have doubted him? No! absolutely not, infact that hadith actually proves him to be truthful. The truth remain:your problem is, you conclude without bringing clear facts, it is well known that abu hurayrah tops the ranking of hadiths narration(according to sunni sources, because we have from shia sources people who narrated 70,000 hadiths and even more), do you know when abu hurayrah made that statement? probably when his hadith werent as much as that of ibn Amr, who did write his own hadith down, so stop making conclusions on half baked "proofs". to be continued insha Allaah |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Nobody: 11:43pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
AlBaqir:no need to flex muscles, its clearly an unintentional error, and i apologize for that, like i said earlier the post is not originally mine, i just made some modifications, didnt see this. if not i would have rectified it. From the above confessions of Abu Hurairah, following were deducted:Albaqir, stop making unfound claims, you will pick an hadith, give it your own meaning to mislead people, nobody does that except shaytan and his agents, anyway here is the explanation of Hafidh Ibn Hajar al Asqalani (rahimahu Allah) in his book "Fath al Bari"; "The scholars took this type of knowledge, that he (Abu Hurayrah) didn't transmit\spread, to mean the hadiths that show the names of the Amirs (leaders) of evil, their conditions and era/period. And Abu Hurayrah used to point to some of it without declaration, fearing for himself from them, like his saying: I seek refuge to Allah from the head of the sixty, and the leadership of the youth , pointing to the khilafah of Yazid bin Mu'awiyyah, because it was in the year sixty after Hijrah. And Allah answered the duaa of Abu Hurairah, so he died a year before it... Ibn al Munir (683 A.H.) said: the Batiniyyah made this hadith as a means to making their falsehood correct, in which they believed that the shari'ah has a dhahir (apparent meaning\knowledge) and batin (hidden\inner\secret meaning\knowledge), and the result of that batin is dissolution of the deen. He said: Abu Hurairah meant by his saying: "would be cut " meaning: the people of injustice would cut his head off if they heard his criticizing\finding fault with their actions ..... , and what supports this is that the written hadiths, if they were from ahkam (rulings), he wouldn't be able to conceal it, because of what he mentioned in the first hadith of the ayah that condemns who conceals knowledge. and other said: it could mean things related to signs of the hour, the changing of conditions, and the fierce battles at the end of time, so then the ones who are not familiar with it would reject it.." Also Imam Ibn Battal(rahimahu Allah) mentioned in his sharh (explanation) of this hadith in sahih al Bukhari, that the knowledge that Abu Hurairah didn't spread was related to fitna (trials), so is a similar explanation found in Imam adh Dhahabi(rahimhu Allah) in his book "as Siyar". So basically, that knowledge that was not revealed is related to things in future, and trials (fitan), it has nothing to do with rulings in shari'ah, that are guidance to mankind which every Muslim needs to know, and is not allowed for one to conceal.... # He says, "Our brothers from the Muhājireen were busy working in the markets, while the Ansār were busy with trade. However, aba Hurayrah was always alongside the Messenger of AllahThis is nonsense, so a student will stay with his teacher all through the 24hours? this doesnt prove anything. # Fact 2: THOSE WHO STAYED LONGER WITH THE PROPHET NEVER NARRATED MORE THAN ABU HURAIRAHSorry Albaqir this is another nonsense, do we just accept Ahadith from the wives of the prophet because they stayed with him longer than Abu hurayrah? is that the science of Hadith your zombie "imam" in occultation teach you guys? does it have to do with memory strenght or how long someone stayed with the prophet? nawa for you ooo, moreover out of All the wives of the prophet, Aisha(ra) narrated more, does this mean Aisha stayed more with prophet than the other wives? *Imam Ali, the most knowledgeable never narrated up to Abu Hurairahyou'll have to prove that Ali had a stronger retentive memory than Abu hurayrah, for me i'll present my prove that Abu hurayrah had a strong memory; What proves his great memorization is what al-Ḥākim wrote, that Marwān summoned abu Hurayrah and began asking him while a man, who hid in the room, would write down everything. When a year passed, he summoned him again and asked him about the same matters that were documented in the book, so abu Hurayrah repeated it all without additions or subtractions.{Siyar A`lām al-Nubalā’ 2/598}, ".....present your proof, if (indeed) you are truthful"<Quran> to be continued insha Allaah.... |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Nobody: 11:57pm On Aug 09, 2016 |
@Albaqir # Fact 3: PROPHET BUSY SCHEDULEmost of Abu hurayrah ahadith are repitition, he narrated many from other sahabas he trusted, so since he trusted them, he doesnt need to say i heard from so and so sahabah, instead he will say i heard from the messenger of Allaah, this is part of ilm hadith....so with all this facts ground, the ahadith of abu hurayrah exclusively is not up to 400.. |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Nobody: 12:15am On Aug 10, 2016 |
AlBaqir:i wont waste my time with this, there is nothing worth responding here, it is proven that Allaah's messenger supplicated for abu Hurayrah and it was answered, only fool will take your words seriously. Remember these ahadith were attributed to Aba hurayrah? so a tab'in or tabi tab'in whose hadith was traced to aba hurayra might have made an error in the numbering, but the main message being passed is, we should say "Insha Allaah" in anything pertaining the future, moreover Aba hurayrah is not infallible, infact there is an hadith in bukhari that says its 90 women, some scholars has agreed that this figure is more correct, so cut the crap. Only in the bible can such tales and children cartoons be found - this is R.ilwayne001 expertise.I wont also waste my time on this, this issue has been refuted by brother sino in another thread, but your shamelessness wont let you agree when refuted..... https://www.nairaland.com/3166814/agege-show-innaa-lillaahi-wa#47246154 https://www.nairaland.com/3166814/agege-show-innaa-lillaahi-wa/1#47262193 https://www.nairaland.com/3166814/agege-show-innaa-lillaahi-wa/1#47271473 moreover it his authentically documented in this munafiq's book that prophet sulayman had 300wives and 700 concubines which is quite close to the number given in the bible, Rilwayne001 could help us confirm, We read in a tradition with a SAHIH chain from Imam Baqir(as) in Shia book Hayat-ul-Qaloob: Imam Baqir(as) said: Prophet Sulayman(as) had a fort, having 1000 rooms made by Jinns for him, and in every room one of his wife used to live. [size=18pt]From these 300 were his wives and 700 were concubines[/size]. Allah gave him the sexual strength of 40 men. He used to daily visit all of his women and used fulfill their desires.(Majlisi declared chain as Sahih, Hayat-ul-Qaloob vol 1, p. 644) Dear esteemed readers, hope you can see his hypocrisy?? |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Nobody: 12:35am On Aug 10, 2016 |
AlBaqir:Already refuted ya kadhdhaab! Well, we really don't know when exactly this man devoted his life for teaching. What is obvious are:youve not given us any proofs for all the assertions you made, you dont have respect for yourself and your readers....... # Abdullah ibn Amr whom Abu Hurairah confessed to be his master in ahadith narrations and writing died around 65, 67, 69 year of Hijrah.Already refuted... # Umm Salamah died around 64 year Hijri.like i said earlier, what we are interested in is the memory strenght of the sahabahs, not how long they lived, but i dont expect you to know this, since your science of hadith is crooked one.... Fallacy. Here is a statistical analysis of al-Bukhari's hadith collectionanyone who entered that webpage must have seen the rubbush you refered us to, so i wont waste my time.... |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Nobody: 12:38am On Aug 10, 2016 |
AlBaqir:and i will ignore whatever fallacy you bring to this thread like i did in the other.. |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Nobody: 12:47am On Aug 10, 2016 |
Dear esteemed readers i bring to you The Status of Abu Hurayra; General merits: Al-Bukhari said that Abu Huraira had eight-hundred students from the sahaba and tabi’een that narrated from him hadith. This alone is a major merit since the companions would not allow such a person to have so many students without criticism if he was not suitable for such an important role and the number is solid evidence that the man was extremely trustworthy in the eyes of the sahabah and tabi`een. Al-Hakim in Al-Mustadrak 6/2224 lists twenty eight companions of the Prophet – peace be upon him – who narrated hadiths from Abi Huraira as evidence of his reliability. Abu Huraira was also someone that people used to seek religious rulings from, which is why Ibn Sa’ad included him in his chapter as one of the fourteen companions that used to give out religious rulings after the time of the Prophet – peace be upon him – . (Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabeer 2/312.) Specific praise from Sahabah: Ibn Umar said: Umar is better than me and Abu Huraira is better than me. (Musanaf Abdulrazaq #8342.) He also said: O’ Abu Huraira, from amongst us you used to attach yourself to the Messenger of Allah – peace be upon him – the most, and were the best memorizer of his hadith. (Al-Tirmithi #3771) Talha said: There is no doubt that he (Abu Huraira) heard from the Messenger – peace be upon him – what we did not hear and he was a guest of the Messenger – peace be upon him – for he was poor, his hand was with the hand of the Messenger – peace be upon him – . (Al-Tirmithi #3772. There is some weakness because Ibn Ishaaq may have not heard it from Mohammad bin Ibrahim Al-Taymi.) Zaid bin Thabit narrated that the Prophet – peace be upon him – affirmed a supplication by Abi Huraira in which he asks for knowledge that cannot be forgotten. (Tareekh Dimashq: Abu Huraira #187.) Abu Ayoob said: I prefer to narrate from Abu Huraira (as an intermediary) than from the Prophet – peace be upon him – (directly). He means that he trusts abu Huraira more than he trusts himself when it comes to narrating prophetic-traditions (Al-Mustadrak #6175. There is some anonymity with Ibrahim bin Bistam, but this narration has been narrated in Tareekh Dimashq through many alternative chains. See Tareekh Dimashq: Abu Huraira #260-263.) Abdullah bin Abbas narrates the story of how `Ali was sent after Abu Bakr to announce the verses of Surat-Bara’ah, since the Prophet – peace be upon him – said that only a man from his relatives may do so. So he narrates that when Ali’s throat became soar from announcing it, he would let abu Huraira take his place and announce it to the people. (Al-Sunan al-Kubra, Bayhaqi 9/222.) Specific praise from Tabi’een: Abu Salih: Abu Huraira was one of the best companions at memorizing the hadiths of the Messenger – peace be upon him – . (Mustadrak Al-Hakim #6161.) Mohammad bin Iyas bin Al-Bukair used to take fatwas from Abu Huraira. (Muwatta Malik #1037.) Abu Hazim boasted that he took knowledge from Abu Huraira for five years. (Al-Ma’rifa wal Tareekh 2/65). Abu Uthman Al-Nahdi said: Abu Huraira, his wife, and his servant, used to have three shifts for each period of the night (for qiyam prayers). (Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabeer 5/248.) Tawus: Abu Huraira did not let his daughter wear gold because he feared for her the heat of the hellfire. (Al-Tabaqaat Al-Kabeer 5/245). Maymoon bin Mihran got into an argument with a shaikh who boasted by having heard hadiths from Abu Huraira implying that he himself is knowledgeable. Maymoon argued that not everyone that sat with Abu Huraira has his heart with him at the time. In other words, according to Maymoon, those that attentively listen to Abu Huraira would become people of knowledge. (Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabeer 2/326). This small list of merits we mentioned here is sufficient Insha-Allah to show the high status abu Huraira possessed in early Islamic society where he was known by all for his knowledge and piety. source: Twelvershia.net |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Nobody: 12:48am On Aug 10, 2016 |
salaamu alaykum wa rahmatAllaah, wa barakaatuhu. |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by AlBaqir(m): 7:23am On Aug 10, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:In sha Allah we sha soon see who exactly the Liar is. Narrated Abu Zarin: Abu Hurayrah came to us, and he hit his forehead with his hand, and said, "you people talk, saying that I attribute lies to the messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, IN ORDER TO GUIDE YOU while I go astray. Verily, I testify that I heard the Messenger of Allah, peace be upon him, saying: 'When the thong of anyone of you is broken, he should not walk in the other one until he has repaired it (i.e. the damaged one).'" Reference : Sahih Muslim 2098 a In-book reference : Book 37, Hadith 112 USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 24, Hadith 5233 http://sunnah.com/muslim/37 # First, we know those people that accused him of lies to be his students due to his own confession "IN ORDER TO GUIDE YOU". # No doubt he used to recite ahadith to them (and probably expatiate on the meaning). lexiconkabir:How do you know they were [u]UNKNOWN set of Iraqis?[/b]. Unfortunately the hadith you rely on is a worthless hadith. Imam Ibn Majah records: It was narrated that Abu Razin said: 'I saw Abu Hurairah hitting his forehead with his hand and saying: "O people of Iraq! Do you claim that I would tell a lie against the Messenger of Allah so that it may be more convenient for you and a sin upon me?' I bear witness that I heard the Messenger of Allah say: 'If a dog licks the vessel of anyone of you, let him wash it seven times.." Grade : Da'if (Darussalam) English reference : Vol. 1, Book 1, Hadith 363 Arabic reference : Book 1, Hadith 393 http://sunnah.com/ibnmajah/1 lexiconkabir:Sorry I don't remember where Nabi salallahu alayhi wa ahli was ever called a liar faah. People of his time (even the polytheists) knew him to be truthful. He was given the title "as-Sadiq, al-Amin". What Quran explains they ever called Nabi were "majnun" and "magician". lexiconkabir:You are adding fuel to fire. Who narrated that hadith (5356)^ ? Its Abu Hurairah And you want a sane person to accept. Besides that hadith 5356 is a shorter version of the hadith in question where he was caught red handed. Unless you can give us a truthful Sahabi that also narrated that same hadith (5356) from Nabi. That is when we can take Abu Hurairah serious. In fact, you don't at any circumstance add a single word to that of Nabi narration whenever you quote him. That is tahrif (distortion). |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Nobody: 8:00am On Aug 10, 2016 |
AlBaqir:Insha Allaahu Ta'ala we will see who it is... Narrated Abu Zarin:Albaqir, its either you give us the names of this his students or you stop speculating, Again the hadith i cited from ibn majah shows that this people were not his students but some set of UKNOWN Iraqis, now you have tried to fault this hadith(like you did on some thread about kneeling down, remember?) suprisingly, when you gave us the people that graded it da'if you brought up darrusalam, pls which scholar in particular graded it da'if from "Darusalam" we dont know! so i will rather stay with the contemproary celebrated hadith scholar, shaykh Albani, for he graded that hadith SAHIH at [size=18pt]sahih ibn maja, albani, vol 1, page 129[/size] Sorry I don't remember where Nabi salallahu alayhi wa ahli was ever called a liar faah. People of his time (even the polytheists) knew him to be truthful. He was given the title "as-Sadiq, al-Amin". What Quran explains they ever called Nabi were "majnun" and "magician"How would you know when you dont read the Quran, all you know is to call on Hussayn for help, worship graves and so many shirk activities, you shi'as are ignorant of the Quran more than a sunni 5year old kid, anyway feed your eyes; "And they wonder that there has come to them a warner from among themselves. And the disbelievers say, “This is a magician and [size=23pt]a liar[/size]."{Saad: 38} "May the curse of Allaah be upon the liars" You are adding fuel to fire. Who narrated that hadith (5356)^ ? Its Abu Hurairahyou dont get the point do you? you dont know the circumstances on which that hadith was narrated, i have given another hadith that suggest Abu hurayrah had already transmitted a similar hadith, so when he probably was repeating himself, people heard an addition that sounded like his opinion, and people asked him if he heard that from the prophet(saws) and being a TRUTHFUL man, he said No, that it was his opinion, so whats your problem? if Abu hurayra wanted, h e would have said "yes the prophet said so", but no he didnt, i repeat DO NOT MAKE CONCLUSIONS ON HALF BAKED "PROOF" |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by AlBaqir(m): 10:18am On Aug 10, 2016*. Modified: 11:24am On Aug 10, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:Flex muscle? I simply expose your desperation. Anyway may Allah forgive our errors. lexiconkabir:Obviously that was scholar's viewpoints and as you can see their differing opinions. Its a guess work with no certainty. However the point remain that Abu Hurairah cancelled many "ahadith" after revealing excessive "ahadith" among which were his formulations from his bag. lexiconkabir:Alhamdulillah you are using your brain now. This is exactly the reality I want you to understand. Remember you argument was that Abu Hurairah's excessive ahadith was due to the fact that he always stuck by the Prophet while others go around their business. Here's your submission: lexiconkabir:So my point is such excuse is silly for the fact that Prophet's wives spent more time with the Prophet and had more years of companionship with the Prophet than Abu Hurairah yet your book only recorded less less ahadith to their belts compare to Abu Hurairah. lexiconkabir: # Imam Ali was introduced by Nabi to be the most knowledgeable of his Ummah (in a mutawatir ahadith)# The Sahabah themselves testified to Ali being the best judge of the Ummah (and he only judge by Quran and Sunnah) # Imam Ali himself declared he is the most knowledgeable of Quran and Sunnah and that no one will ever claim such after him. Yet, you are asking for prove of his retentive memory. Are you naught or a nasibi? There is no knowledge without retentive memory faah. Imam Ali was the self of Nabi as Quran says. |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by AlBaqir(m): 10:40am On Aug 10, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:I have shown the world the salafi link where the hadith is graded Da'if. You have to do more than just "vol.1, pg.129". Which edition and publication? Where exactly is Albani's tahqiq on the hadith? You can equally give us the scan page of Ibn Majah's Sunan where we can clearly see Albani's comment. How many times you have lied with Albani's name! The link I provided have chain of transmitter to the hadith. Where is yours? lexiconkabir:Toor. That's why I said "I don't remember". I don't remember is different from it doesn't exist. So that was never a lie. And now that you've reminded me of the verse, I take it in good faith. Have you ever taken your lies or errors? lexiconkabir:I don't take liars seriously unless their saying is corroborated by Quran or another hadith from a reliable person |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Newnas(m): 11:49am On Aug 10, 2016 |
The nuisance has finally woken up!!! Everything that supports him is mutawaatir!!! These shia are very ignorant of the science of hadith, in fact they are the most ignorant of the sects regarding the knowledge of hadith. Their shameless sheikhs had to create a sham called it science of hadith after 900hijrah because the people of sunnah were always silencing and shaming them of the absence of any research on narrations. Even their sheikhs agree that they have no chains to their claimed imams, they even say that the chain of narrators is useless, the only benefit in it is barakah of mentioning the name of imams. Then he claims that he there is not a place where the polytheists called the prophet alyhissolaat wassalaam a liar in the Quran. Surah An-Nahl, Verse 101: وَإِذَا بَدَّلْنَا آيَةً مَّكَانَ آيَةٍ وَاللَّهُ أَعْلَمُ بِمَا يُنَزِّلُ قَالُوا إِنَّمَا أَنتَ مُفْتَرٍ بَلْ أَكْثَرُهُمْ لَا يَعْلَمُونَ And when We change a Verse [of the Quran, i.e. cancel (abrogate) its order] in place of another, and Allah knows the best of what He sends down, they (the disbelievers) say: "You (O Muhammad SAW) are but a Muftari! (forger, liar)." Nay, but most of them know not. (English - Mohsin Khan) via iQuran Surah Hud, Verse 93: وَيَا قَوْمِ اعْمَلُوا عَلَىٰ مَكَانَتِكُمْ إِنِّي عَامِلٌ سَوْفَ تَعْلَمُونَ مَن يَأْتِيهِ عَذَابٌ يُخْزِيهِ وَمَنْ هُوَ كَاذِبٌ وَارْتَقِبُوا إِنِّي مَعَكُمْ رَقِيبٌ "And O my people! Act according to your ability and way, and I am acting (on my way). You will come to know who it is on whom descends the torment that will cover him with ignominy, and who is a liar! And watch you! Verily, I too am watching with you." (English - Mohsin Khan) via iQuran Maybe if you left your curse Alkafi fabricated book for some time you would know a basic thing like this!!! Then, you see now that accusing pious people of lies is a sunnah of the polytheists which you have dogmatically followed your sheikhs in inheriting! |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by AlBaqir(m): 11:54am On Aug 10, 2016 |
lexiconkabir:This has been dealt with already when Sino posted it here: https://www.nairaland.com/3166814/agege-show-innaa-lillaahi-wa/1#48194520 # The hadith in Hayatul Qulub has no Sanad. So it is by default a Da'if hadith. # Hayatul Qulub of Allamah Majlisi is a story book about the life of Nabi. Its not a book of ahadith or its tahqiq # In Shi'i science of hadith, any hadith that is contrary to Quran or mutawatir hadith or intellectual reasoning is thrown out irrespective of its chain of transmitter or which book documents it. The case of Nabi Sulayman sleeping with 100 or 70 or 60 or 300 wives is falsehood. My submissions are clear as explained already. |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by AlBaqir(m): 11:57am On Aug 10, 2016 |
Newnas:We have challenged you to question whatever hadith we claimed to be mutawatir to prove its tawattur. Again I have schooled your ignorant brain once of what mutawatir hadith is. |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Newnas(m): 12:13pm On Aug 10, 2016 |
AlBaqir:I'm not the one that should prove its tawaatur, olodo! It's you claiming something that should mention at least one scholar of hadith before you who has graded it as mutawatir. Note: no shia sheikhs here! Because we both know that the claimed study of narrators and documentation among shia is a sham. Again I have schooled your ignorant brain once of what mutawatir hadith is.You are very ignorant and stubborn!!! Your delusion of grandeur is beyond reasoning! Are you a student of David Copperfield? ![]() You mentioned about four narrations, I told you that there chains are weak, you claimed that they are mutawaatir. Every student of hadith knows that four hadiths are still ahaad. Instead of bringing your proof you started defining tawaatur reports and their conditions and quoting Shaykhul Islam. That's compounded ignorance: being asked for a dog but presenting a snail and still being proud! |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by mustymatic(m): 5:05pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
Allah swt chose prophet Muhammads companions, whenever you accuse them,you are indirectly doing it to the prophet. Shia hates what Muhammad pbuh loves, from amongst his companions and spouses... ![]() May Allah guide us |
| Re: Abu Hurayrah – The Great Hadith Narrator by Newnas(m): 5:11pm On Aug 13, 2016 |
mustymatic:Aameen |
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