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I feel polytechnic students are good in terms of practicals but still u cnt compare them~uni studnts all the way

it's like comparing a car and bike
No matter how much a power bike cost, I can not replace a car... But a car can do the work of a power bike

I have not seen any University graduate that can compete with me in terms of practical and theory. This is in addition to the fact that I got the best result from the technical college I attended before gaining admission into the polytechnic. I gained admission into the polytechnic with nine credits which is clearly above University requirement. Those half baked graduates from the University who combine two results to get five credit cannot claim superiority over me. I have never accepted it and I will not accept it. I have written a letter to my permanent secretary that the scheme of service is a fraud perpetrated by University graduates to undermine polytechnic education. This fraud must be corrected for peace to reign in the education sector. Let me borrow from the law of equilibrium which states that when an imbalance is created in a system in equilibrium, there must be a continuous reaction until the balance is restored. We will continue to agitate until the balance is restored. Whether I have gotten MSC or not I will continue to support the call for parity because there is no evidence to suggest that University graduates are better. I will tell you why HND is better than BSc taking into consideration the state of the Nigerian economy later.

UYCO:
I have not seen any University graduate can compete with me in terms of practical and theory. This is in addition to the fact that I got the best result from the technical college I attended before gaining admission into the polytechnic. I gained admission into the polytechnic with nine credit which is clearly above University requirement. Those half baked graduates from the University who combine two results to get five credit cannot claim superiority over me. I have never accepted it and I will not accept it. I have written a letter to my permanent secretary that the scheme of service is a fraud perpetrated by University graduates to undermine polytechnic education. This fraud must be corrected for peace to reign in the education sector. Let me borrow from the law of equilibrium which states that when an imbalance is created in a system in equilibrium, there must be a continuous reaction until the balance is restored. We will continue to agitate until the balance is restored. Whether I have gotten MSC or not I will continue to support the call for parity because there no evidence to suggest that University graduates are better. I will tell why HND is better than BSc taking into consideration the state of the Nigerian economy later.

. It is where your knowledge end that is where someone else started from. This debate has been defeated long ago.

@ CYCO, you are still learning OK. You thought university graduates don't have practicals knowledge. Just laughing in 3D. I guess you studied engineering. Those who don't know anything always make the loudest noise like empty vessel makes d loudest noise

How can one compare primary and secondary school?
How many Doctors (PhD) and professors do polytechnics have?

philchudi:
How can one compare primary and secondary school?
How many Doctors (PhD) and professors do polytechnics have?

. Ask CYCO for me.

There are so many PhD holders and professors in my school. Mind you, having professors in school does not automatically make a student intelligent. It is hard work and self development that makes one outstanding.

UYCO:
There are so many PhD holders and professors in my school. Mind you, having professors in school does not automatically make a student intelligent. It is hard work and self development that makes one outstanding.

. Polytechnic? you are still day dreaming. what is the name of your school? Tell us, I will verify it now.

If you feel University graduates are better , the best way to prove it is through examination by way of aptitude test for both poly and university graduates. If only University graduates pass the examination then employ or promote them. University graduates are running away from examination as a way of determining their superiority. For the avoidance of doubt, I am a product of the great Petroleum Training Institute

UYCO:
If you feel University graduates are better , the best way to prove it is through examination by way of aptitude test for both poly and university graduates. If only University graduates pass the examination then employ or promote them. University graduates are running away from examination as a way of determining their superiority. For the avoidance of doubt, I am a product of the great Petroleum Training Institute

. Tell us where are you working as a polytechnic graduate! yours is mono polytechnic.

people are attending Uniben, UI, Futa, Futo, ABU, Unilag, OAU etc. Some of you think anybody that graduate from the polytechnic is good and the best. Knowledge is by your seriousness and commitment.

There is no difference between engineering mathematics in the polytechnic and university. It is area of focus that separate us. While we focus more on application of mathematics to solve real world problems, they focus on theory without the knowledge of what they can apply them to achieve in terms of production. While they dwell on pure quadratic and simultaneous equations, we dwell on world problems leading to quadratic and simultaneous equations. That doesn't mean they are superior to us. It is like the problem between North and Southern Nigeria.

Although, northerners know that Nigeria as it is presently constituted is structurally defective and it can never work, they still prefer that the country remains the way it is because it to their own advantage. That is the problem with BSc holders. They know that they will amount to nothing without us but yet they want the status quo to remain even if it lead to a total collapse of the Nigerian economy

Is like saying IGP is better than MAJOR, are they thesame?

You focus more on application of mathematics to solve real world problems. How many problems have you used it to solve the engineering mathematics? Auchi polytechnic is the best polytechnic in west Africa and elder brother finished from there. When I talk about engineering, he listens very well OK. My Professor who taught me for many years was a consultant to PTI . Guy forget that thing OK. Nigerian institutions are not helping graduates in this country. In Nigeria, it is help your yourself with the right knowledge and practicals needed in the industry. Even as a PTI product when you get to the industry, you will be on probation for six months or one year training. Some PTI products are hurting for jobs very well. Which discipline did u study at PTI?

@ UYCO, If you people are better, accepted but let me ask you some questions. Who are they people lecturing polytechnics Students? 90% of the lecturers at Auchi polytechnic graduated from UNIBEN or Ambrose Alli University (AAU), Ekpoma, Edo state. Those who are HND holders as lecturers are either doing their PGD at UNIBEN or AAU yet you see them bragging. After their PGD, they will register for their too. Na condition makes craft fish bend. Guy, u can't compare College of Education and polytechnics and that is how you can't compare universities and polytechnics.

@Edo boy, for your information, most University graduates employed into the oil industry are sent to PTI for training before they start working. If you are a PTI product, they don't bother to send you for training unless it is training abroad. We are proud of what we have. We acquire real practical and theoretical knowledge that is needed by the oil industry. Even with the discrimination, we still dominate them in the work place because BSc holders consult me every day and I make money from them. PTI is a great school. I never regretted my choice of PTI with my nine credit.

@Edo boy, when you engage in intellectual discussion, please learn to create good premises before making conclusion. You are just making assertion without any fact to substantiate your claim. I have given you reasons why I think polytechnic education is better for Nigeria at this stage of our national development. All you have done is to make baseless assertions that are not logical. Most core lecturers in the polytechnic passed through the polytechnic system . Those who didn't pass through the polytechnic system spend between six to ten years to adapt to the polytechnic system of education. Others are sent abroad for special training. My lecturer told me that he spent about 10 years learning the polytechnic system of education before he could effectively lecture. Just the way most PhD holders and professors who passed through the polytechnic system are lecturing in the University. For your information, my ultimate goal in life is to become a university lecturer. Will that change my polytechnic background?

Obsolete debate!!!!

UYCO:
@Edo boy, when you engage in intellectual discussion, please learn to create good premises before making conclusion. You are just making assertion without any fact to substantiate your claim. I have given you reasons why I think polytechnic education is better for Nigeria at this stage of our national development. All you have done is to make baseless assertions that are not logical. Most core lecturers in the polytechnic passed through the polytechnic system . Those who didn't pass through the polytechnic system spend between six to ten years to adapt to the polytechnic system of education. Others are sent abroad for special training. My lecturer told me that he spent about 10 years learning the polytechnic system of education before he could effectively lecture. Just the way most PhD holders and professors who passed through the polytechnic system are lecturing in the University. For your information, my ultimate goal in life is to become a university lecturer. Will that change my polytechnic background?

. UYCO, u are talking gibberish OK. trash, Absolute Trash. TETFUND are responsible for training lecturers abroad. The number of university lecturers trained in abroad are more than the polytechnic lecturers. You don't have axiomatic facts. I know a lot about Nigerian education than you as far my root tied with Tetfund guy. Stop lying young man. I always sit with these lecturers on daily basis. A lot of then are from the universities. The number of UNIBEN lecturers trained in abroad by TETFUND is more than ones trained in Auchi polytechnic which is the best polytechnic in west Africa

special training? UYCO, so the special training is for polytechnics lecturers only. I will rest my case with you because you have no clue about both universities and polytechnics. First, even multinational companies know that university graduates are better than the polytechnic graduates. General electric only accept Bachelor's degree and others too. Latest NUC vacancies didn't include polytechnic graduates. A lot of university graduates have taught you during ur days at PTI. Even when are doing the work at the field, they still earn more than you and be your boss. In FG jobs, level seven is waiting for you and retired at 14. lastly, if you found yourself in the university tomorrow as a lecturer bell me anytime let me include you for the special training in abroad for you to know it is not only the polytechnic lecturers that are taken for special training in abroad. Bye and stop the aggravation because you still earn less than the graduates

80% of poly graduates here and there forgot that they ended up in the poly cos they couldnt get admission into the uni...some one up there said he had admission into the poly with 9credits far better than the requirements of the uni at 5credits/2sittings,at a point a pass in eng or maths with just 3credits at two sittings gets u into the poly.
@UYCO,im so sorry you are dissappointed but this supposed to be a debate and not another avenue to wail.make ur points clearer with basis...tell us the ratio of poly to uni grads that are successful as enterprenures in our society even with all the acclaimed practicals.

I am a lecturer at a Nigerian university. And I find it incredibly amusing that we have someone ranting about how polytechnique education is superior to a university education. That is simply not true. You might be an exemption, your personal case that is. However, we don't make generalizations based on exemptions, but based on how the Gaussian distribution translates the data spread. It is not uncommon to find polytechnique graduates who are found wanting with respects to communication in the English language. Now to the quality of the taught programmes. Polytechniques rely immensely on lecturers with no more than first degrees (HND/BSc) and it is only recently that some of their lecturers are beginning to get PhDs. In fact it is not uncommon to find polytechnique rectors without a PhD. Universities on the other hand are rated based on the number of professors and PhD holders. And it is only an unteachable illiterate that will count professorship as nothing. Professorship is the highest level of academic-cum-competence attainment here and anywhere else. So, if NYCO is so irate about how polytechnique graduates are renumerated, he should go to the nearest university and see if he will survive in trying to get a degree.

@Mr. Lecturer, I find it very difficult to believe that you are a lecturer in the first place. Your level of reasoning and your presentation has given you away. You have not been able to give any justifiable reason to substantiate your position on the matter. If a University lecturer can exhibit this low level of logical thinking, then your students will do worse. I have a degree holder as a wife and I know how long it takes me to teach her things she is supposed to know as a degree holder. My argument that every student taught by a professor is not automatically intelligent is still subsisting. I expected the supposed learned lecturer to create enough premises logically to nullify my argument. All he could say is that professors are respected. The number of professors determines the rating of a university and that automatically makes their product better and more efficient on the job. Mr. Lecturer, I totally disagree with your baseless assertions. Certificates are awarded on the bases of knowledge acquired. Knowledge acquired is tested through examination. Therefore examination should be the basis for determining superiority. If only University graduates pass such exam and non of them fail because there are so many professors in their schools while no body passes the exam among polytechnic graduates who sit for the same examination, then your superiority theory will be valid. I will not contest it with you. Until then, your theory remains a fallacy and therefore not valid. To this end therefore, it will not be unwise for you to withdraw your baseless argument. I rest my case for now.

Mr. Lecturer, if you understand gaussan distribution very well and probability theory, you will not generalize that all University graduates are better than polytechnic graduates. The probability that all University graduates are better than polytechnic graduates does not exist. To also believe that all University graduates are good because they are taught by professors is illogical. I am not also saying that all poly graduates are good. As I am typing this message from a popular joint , I can see a lot of your university students who are prostitute around and they will eventually graduate with degrees from hotel room where they hustle. For you to think that I cannot survive a degree program where these prostitutes are bagging degrees from hotel rooms shows how shallow the level of your reasoning is. I am being tempted to believe that you are a product of special Centres and university examination malpractice. That you are a lecturer does not mean you are intelligent.

@Edo boy, you have succeeded in demystifying the fraud in the University system of education. I expected you to tell me what the universities with so many professors have applied their theoretical based education to produce in Nigeria that has stimulated the economy. Most conventions and standards used in the oil industry are developed by American Petroleum Institute. Eg API gravity, API gas equation, API standard measurement.

UYCO:
@Mr. Lecturer, I find it very difficult to believe that you are a lecturer in the first place. Your level of reasoning and your presentation has given you away. You have not been able to give any justifiable reason to substantiate your position on the matter. If a University lecturer can exhibit this low level of logical thinking, then your students will do worse. I have a degree holder as a wife and I know how long it takes me to teach her things she is supposed to know as a degree holder. My argument that every student taught by a professor is not automatically intelligent is still subsisting. I expected the supposed learned lecturer to create enough premises logically to nullify my argument. All he could say is that professors are respected. The number of professors determines the rating of a university and that automatically makes their product better and more efficient on the job. Mr. Lecturer, I totally disagree with your baseless assertions. Certificates are awarded on the bases of knowledge acquired. Knowledge acquired is tested through examination. Therefore examination should be the basis for determining superiority. If only University graduates pass such exam and non of them fail because there are so many professors in their schools while no body passes the exam among polytechnic graduates who sit for the same examination, then your superiority theory will be valid. I will not contest it with you. Until then, your theory remains a fallacy and therefore not valid. To this end therefore, it will not be unwise for you to withdraw your baseless argument. I rest my case for now.

There is no amount of logical reasoning that is going to bail you out of the vicious cycle of hatred your bitterness has driven you into.

That said, debating the superiority of university education to polytechnic training, it's not just in Nigeria that the former has distinct advantages over the latter. And yes, I have lived and been trained in several countries (England, Germany, US, France, Sweden, Netherlands, Scotland etc) on this planet earth to state categorically that University education remains the highest milieu for academic learning. And yes, I got a polytechnic admission too at the beginning, which I turned down in favour of admission into one of the best Nigerian universities for my first degree.And yes my training and experience spans classical mechanics, statistical mechanics, quantum mechanics, and so many more. So, don't even begin to say a word about Gaussian distribution or the probability theory. I am not just a lecturer, I am also an employer and I receive applications from both university and polytechnic graduates: when it comes to the interview proper, I am afraid in most cases university graduates out-perform their counterparts from the polytechnic.

What you fail to understand is that a large part of education emanates from the academic and historical culture of the institution, not just how well your lecturers show you the difference between size 6 and size 8 blocks, or how glibly he dictates his ragged notes. Pride is an essential part of learning which only comes from the value history and society places on that institution. The very reason OAU, UI, UNN etc graduates are of a different breed whenever you come across them. I have had the privilege of being to Harvard school of medicine at Boston, of being to University College London, of being to Cambridge, of being to University of Pennsylvania in Philadelphia and several others. Of all of them, Harvard school of medicine at Boston has what you could call the poorest outlook, but then it produces the best results in students. Why? Because, the students are smarter? Nope. You have several smarter students at OAU, at OOU, at ABUAD, etc. Why then? Because the moment you become an Harvard student, you take on a new identity and you have enough pride to believe in the best parts of yourself.

The same happens with university education, as compared with polytechnic training. It is immaterial that you had 9 credits or whatever when you got your admission into a polytechnic. A university student entering with just 5 credits is more than likely to turn out much better educated and more competent than you at graduation. It is definitely not a mistake that averagely university graduates are better remunerated than polytechnic graduates (no pun intended).

If polytechnic education was that awesome, it would seem shocking then that most employers in Nigeria give preference to University graduates.
If polytechnic education was that awesome, why do your lecturers flock our universities further training. Why not get that from your university?
If polytechnic education was that awesome, why do you seek to end up in a university? Such hypocrite.

There is nothing inherently bad about polytechnic degrees, just so long you do not seek to compare it with university training. Everyone should be content with what he has, and if he is not then he should quietly find a way to get himself into a university system without disparaging it.

I am a B.sc. Holder. There is no difference between d 2 qualifications in terms of d work load... Their difference is traceable to their respective title

Mr. Lecturer, you talked about some polytechnic graduates who have problem with English language. It is disheartening to note that you rely on few poly graduates who have problem with English language to make conclusion on your superiority theory. Let me educate you a little about engineering and other technology related courses that polytechnics were originally established to offer. English language plays very little role in engineering. The reason is that there are engineers and medical doctors in other countries who don't know how to speak English. They were trained with their own language. The core subject that you need is physics, chemistry, mathematics, biology, agric depending on the area of engineering you want to study. It is pertinent to note that patience Jonathan is not a product of polytechnic. The man who propounded my oga at the top theory is not a product of polytechnic. Above all, I have seen an English graduate of delta state university who doesn't know how to write official letter. Is that enough for me to generalize that University graduates have problem with English language?