Religion is the belief in and worship of a
superhuman controlling power,
especially a personal God or
gods,on the other hand,

Tribalism is the state of being
organized in, or advocating for, a
tribe or tribes. In terms of
conformity, tribalism may also
refer in popular cultural terms to
a way of thinking or behaving in
which people are more loyal to
their tribe than to their friends,
their country, or any other social
group.state your opinion and you can also talk about the solution.

CC:Lalasticlala,seun,mynd44,ishilove.

I tink is tribalism coz people dat practice same religion do av ethnic conflicts

Nothing wrong with Tribalism.

We are in a multicultural society and as such need to promote our different ethnicities and cultures.

If you think Tribalism is bad then look at the once diverse north which under relentless Islamic jihad has become one monogamous entity of lost Africans trying to out do themselves in adopting Arabic norms, traditions and religion.

In the case of religion, not all religions are bad.


It is that which arrogates to itself supremacy over the rest through the use of blatant crude force.

In conclusion, the lost Africans to the north with their borrowed Arabic ways and religion is the problem.

Neither.
The Real Dou-Destroyers are Poverty and Illiteracy.

Tribalism ofcourse. We don't see religion conflicts down south here but tribalism dey well well.

ckmayoca:
Tribalism ofcourse. We don't see religion conflicts down south here but tribalism dey well well.

Have you witnessed any tribal war in the south?

Triba.lism ofcourse. We don't see religion conflicts down south here but tribalism dey well well.

Comparing religion with tribalism is like comparing sex with masturbation, race, tribalism,ethnicity, skin color, locality and intonation, has always been our problem.

12Monkeys:


Have you witnessed any tribal war in the south?

It doesn really have to be a bloody war but daily dealings and when assistance is needed.

Both

In Nigeria, Tribalism and Religion

ckmayoca:


It doesn really have to be a bloody war but daily dealings and when assistance is needed.

Healthy competition amd not war of any kind.

And why would you be needing help?


Finally, you are confusing serial stereotyping culture to Tribalism.

NIGERIA

Tribalism

Religion: the major insecurity problem can trace it's origin to religion "Boko Haram" doo misinterpretation of Islam. "Many innocent souls av bn wasted n till counting, billions av bn budgeted 4curbing it, dt ad bn embezzled (dakusigate) breading corruption. Affect d agricultural pdt 4rm Northern part of d state, dent our reputation ( recent. Report 4rm US dt 9ja is not save), scare foreign investor away etc
D missionary dt. Introduce Christianity to us gave out free education opportunities to d ppl home n abroad, Christianity spread bcus d early Christians gv 2d needy, orphans n widows etc but today: an average 9ja cannot afford Christian n Muslim universities, pastors own plane and cars while poor members dt contribute in cash and kind cant afford d fee 4deir children. D members trek to church n mosques.
B4 d introduction of Islam n Christianity: our grandparents of traditional religion believe in deir gods, dey engage not in any ungoldly act
Bcus of d fear of ogun, sango, amadioha. Eg wen a red cloth is placed on anything even money no 1 will pick it but place bible n quoran on money den wait n c

tribalism is the worse

NEITHER.The problem wit Nigeria z her PEOPLE nd their MENTALITY

The problems of Nigeria ranges from
1. Curruption
2. poverty
3. Ethnic rivalries
4. Mono-economic system
5. High rate of illitracy which leads to ignorance
6. high practice of capitalist system(only few individuals owns the means of production)
7.Unemployment

Trabalism nor religion is not the problem of Nigeria, if these things I mentioned above are checked, there won't be any room for tribalism or religion

wizzyrich:
The problems of Nigeria ranges from
1. Curruption
2. poverty
3. Ethnic rivalries
4. Mono-economic system
5. High rate of illitracy which leads to ignorance
6. high practice of capitalist system(only few individuals owns the means of production)

Trabalism and religion are not the problems of this country, if these things I listed above are checked, there won't be any room for tribalism or religion

It is your type that will claim that poverty is the driving force behind boko haram where that is not the case.

The north has a wild crazy history of violence inspired by Islamic doctrine.

Google Hamman Yaji and see for yourself that boko haram no be today e start.

wizzyrich:
The problems of Nigeria ranges from
1. Curruption
2. poverty
3. Ethnic rivalries
4. Mono-economic system
5. High rate of illitracy which leads to ignorance
6. high practice of capitalist system(only few individuals owns the means of production)
7.Unemployment

Trabalism nor religion is not the problem of Nigeria, if these things I mentioned above are checked, there won't be any room for tribalism or religion

A European's account of Madagali during the years of Hamman Yaji

The … [northern districts of Madagali, Cubunawa. and Mubi ] taken over by this province … are the most lawless, ill-governed places I have seen in Nigeria … Slave dealing and slave raiding are rampant … chiefs of minor importance were given rifles with which they were encouraged to attack the wretched pagans [who are] hiding like frightened monkeys on inaccessible hilltops … of course, everyone goes about fully armed: spears, shields, bows and arrows, clubs, etc. (The British Resident, Yola province, in 1920, cited by Anthony Kirk-Greene 1958: 84)

There is a historical perspective to this madness in the northeast with Boko Haram as can be seen with the constant slave raiding by Muslims on animist people in the NE.

The disdain for ISLAM was so ingrained in the minority tribes people in the NE that they resisted converting to Islam even at the threat of death since the Fulani raiders did not make any significant distinguishing case when raiding non hausa/fulani and kanuri settlers irrespective if they where converts to islam. This ought to explain the ethno-religious supremacy held by Kanuri/Hausa/Fulanis over minority northerners and why modern day jihadist criminals like boko haram are exclusively composed by these same ethnic groups. The indigenous people of the NE hated Islam so much no thanks to years of slave raiding by Islamists like Hamman Yaji that they converted to Christianity almost immediately when the first European missionaries arrived.

What we see in the NE with Boko Haram is nothing new but a sustained and systematic slow genocide carried out on minority ethnic groups in the north and middle belt by HAUSA/FULANI extremists jihadist criminals.

Hamman Yaji: The Shekau of days past.


Hamman Yaji, a Fulbe{fulani} , was the last slave raider of the Northern Mandaras {northeast Nigeria, parts of cameroun and present day Chad }. He was arrested by the British in 1927 and montagnards from Sukur to Dughwede give explicite accounts on his relentless raiding. His diary was published in 1995 (Vaughan et al). It is historically unclear whether it was the suspicion of Mahdism or the complains from montagnards which led to his arrest (Muller-Kosack 1999).

The diary of Hamman Yaji is unique: a precious historical source, a fascinating social document. From September 1912 until the day before his arrest in August 19, an insider voice tells us of life in the early colonial period, on the furthest margin of European authority.

Madagali, in present-day northeastern Nigeria, was a tiny principality within the Adamawa emirate, itself a province of the Sokoto caliphate: all three were conquest states, ruled by Muslim Fulani. Hamman Yaji became ruler of Madagali in 1902, appointed by the Germans the day after they had killed the previous ruler, his father. He survived the change to French rule in 1916, to British in 1922. The British deposed him in August 19, allegedly for past slaving, but probably more for his Mahdist sympathies. From September 1912 until the day before his arrest, Hamman Yaji chronicled his activities, sometimes almost daily. Entries are generally sparse, but, read carefully, and with the helpful editorial material in this book, the ensemble is remarkable. The book is dedicated to all people of the Madagali district, with the hope that their future will be one of harmony and mutual cooperation.

A worthy hope, but sitting a little uneasily here, since Hamman Yaji was a dedicated slave raider.

The recurrent litany makes chilling reading:

May 12, 1913: "...I sent my soldiers to Sukur and they destroyed thehouse of the Arnado [village head] and took a horse and seven slave girls and burnt their houses."

May 21: "I captured 20 slave girls."

June 11th: "I captured six slave girls and ten cattle, and killed three men."

June 25: "I captured 48 slave girls and 26 cattle and I killed five persons."

July 6: "I captured 30 cattle and six slave girls."

All this (and more) on a single page. Exactly what such raids involved the diary itself does not say: traditions gathered later amongst the victimized populations are ghoulish indeed, comparable with another unique document, the eye-witness account of Bagirmi slaving a little further east and 40 years earlier, recorded by the German traveler Gustav Nachtigal in the third volume of his Sahara and Sudan.

Hamman Yaji's editors suggest, a little speculatively, that a word from a British officer in March 1924 sufficed to stop the raiding. The raiding did stop, and even the most tender liberal conscience, reflecting on colonialism, may take some comfort that a line was drawn under such entries as: "I sent Fadhl al Nar with his men to raid Sukur and they captured 80 slaves, of whom I gave away 40. We killed men and women and 17 children."

The troops were evidently out of control here: women and children were too valuable to be killed. The exploitation, often sexual, of women is clear: female slaves circulated as gifts, or in exchange (three for a horse, for instance). Hamman Yaji swapped female slaves with one of his men, even with his son, who objected that "he did not want a girl, he wanted a boy slave".

Even in such circumstances, a defiant female voice is audible: "I found that my slave girl in the absence of her fellow-slaves had said that she would not prepare my food for me. Why she would not cook my food I do not know, but anyway the result was that I got no food from her and was obliged to buy it."


Or again: "I my wife Umm Asta Belel said that in respect of her being a Muslim she was tired of it, and in respect of her being a pagan it would be better for her." Some passages are enigmatic, such as: "I fixed the penalty for every slave who leaves me without cause at four slave girls and if he is a poor man 200 lashes."

Is the implication here that slaves with cause could leave? How many slaves were rich enough to be able to pay a fine of four slave girls? What where the chances of surviving 200 lashes? Slavery is by far the most prominent single theme, but there are many others, such as local politics and power structures, the local practice of Islam, and the advance of colonialism. The diary ends on a homely note: "On the same day Sarkin Lifida ruined the onions."

https://www.timeshighereducation.com/books/deep-insight-on-an-african-despot/162186.article

wizzyrich:
The problems of Nigeria ranges from
1. Curruption
2. poverty
3. Ethnic rivalries
4. Mono-economic system
5. High rate of illitracy which leads to ignorance
6. high practice of capitalist system(only few individuals owns the means of production)
7.Unemployment

Trabalism nor religion is not the problem of Nigeria, if these things I mentioned above are checked, there won't be any room for tribalism or religion

What's the difference between ethnic rivalries and tribalism?

12Monkeys:


It is your type that will claim that poverty is the driving force behind boko haram where that is not the case.

The north has a wild crazy history of violence inspired by Islamic doctrine.

Google Hamman Yaji and see for yourself that boko haram no be today e start.

are u really sure u read all the things I listed up there or u are just quoting me for quoting sake ? Didn't u see the part I wrote "illiteracy" ?

Beside we are talking abt Nigeria in general and not the north alone. Or are u trying to say poverty is not a problem in Nigeria ?

wizzyrich:
are u really sure u read all the things I listed up there or u are just quoting me for quoting sake ? Didn't u see the part I wrote "illiteracy" ?

Beside we are talking abt Nigeria in general and not the north alone. Or are u trying to say poverty is not a problem in Nigeria ?

The north has accounted for well over 90% of civil disturbances, riots and skirmishes since almagation.

The reason behind this is religious intolerance and not illiteracy or poverty.


Are there not poor uneducated populations in the south prior to independence? So why has civil disturbances, skirmishes and sectarian riots been limited to the north only?

CyberWolf:
What's the difference between ethnic rivalries and tribalism?

take this as an assignment, look at the meaning of ethnic and also look at the meaning of rivalries, then also look at the meaning of tribalism and tell me what you understood

12Monkeys:


The north has accounted for well over 90% of civil disturbances, riots and skirmishes since almagation.

The reason behind this is religious intolerance and not illiteracy or poverty.


Are there not poor uneducated populations in the south prior to independence? So why has civil disturbances, skirmishes and sectarian riots been limited to the north only?

So are you trying to say Nigeria is only made up of North alone ? Cus the last time I checked, we were talking of Nigeria as an entity and not particularly the Northern part of Nigeria alone

wizzyrich:
are u really sure u read all the things I listed up there or u are just quoting me for quoting sake ? Didn't u see the part I wrote "illiteracy" ?

Beside we are talking abt Nigeria in general and not the north alone. Or are u trying to say poverty is not a problem in Nigeria ?

To further buttress my point that poverty is not the driving force behind social strifes and skirmishes, I will let you know that in the north, Islamic extremism and radicalization increases as you go up the social ladder.

Your average northerner can't read the Koran but depends on educated Islamic mullahs to interprete the pages and doctrines of the Koran.


Abdull Mutallab was by no means poor or from a poor background.

He immersed himself into studying the Koran and became radicalized from what he read therein. Mutallab had the luxury of time and resources to dedicate himself to his Islamic studies, something your average poor northern doesn't have the capabilities, time and resources to do since he lives from hand to mouth doing menial jobs.


I will tell you that your average poor northerner is not the problem but the radicalized ,educated and affluent elite who spread this poison of religion to them.

wizzyrich:
take this as an assignment, look at the meaning of ethnic and also look at the meaning of rivalries, then also look at the meaning of tribalism and tell me what you understood

you can tell us.

wizzyrich:
So are you trying to say Nigeria is only made up of North alone ? Cus the last time I checked, we were talking of Nigeria as an entity and not particularly the Northern part of Nigeria alone

For all the hate talk here between Igbos and Yorubas, you can bet you will never hear or see it degenerating to street riots between the two groups.


Rather you will see that it is the northern Muslims that are fighting both the Yorubas and igbos on their own soil.


The mile 12 and Nimbo incidences are all there to be referenced.

12Monkeys:


For all the hate talk here between Igbos and Yorubas, you can bet you will never hear or see it degenerating to street riots between the two groups.


Rather you will see that it is the northern Muslims that are fighting both the Yorubas and igbos on their own soil.


The mile 12 and Nimbo incidences are all there to be referenced.

Haven't u heard of kaduna riot in the year 2000, odi massacre, jos riot of 2001 and 2008, Aba women riot etc the fact that the Yoruba's and the Igbo's have not entered into a street riot today does not mean we can guarantee that such can't happen in future.

I believe almost all the problems I listed cuts across every part of the country, or is there any part of the country you won't find Poverty or illiteracy or unemployment or even corruption ?

Yes there is extremism in the north but can we also say it is as a result of the extremism alone that has made Nigeria not to develop ?

wizzyrich:
Haven't u heard of kaduna riot in the year 2000, odi massacre, jos riot of 2001 and 2008, Aba women riot etc the fact that the Yoruba's and the Igbo's have not entered into a street riot today does not mean we can guarantee that such can't happen in future.

Odi massacre : state sponsored massacre perpetuated mainly by Hausa Fulani Muslim soldiers

Kaduna and Jos riots : sectarian riots instigated by Hausa fulani Muslims

Aba Women riots: termed a riot by the colonial govt to justify killing women protestors.

Yorubas and Igbos haven't fought and will never fight themselves. Their rivalry is a healthy competition between the two tribes. There are igbos all over Yoruba land and apart from skirmishes involving Igbo traders and Yoruba market touts, there will never be a day the Yorubas will be going house to house looking for igbos to kill and vice versa.


The problem in Nigeria is the Hausa/Fulani religious and ethnic SUPREMASCISTS !