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| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by kaboninc(m): 5:19pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
oyinkinola:Lol! America can't leave their dollar to us because as the dollar is to America, so is the naira to Nigeria. It is just a currency that reflects the economic strength of a country. you can't print smaller denomination because of inflation!I never said you can't print smaller denomination because of inflation but that it will be too costly to print smaller denomination as inflation itself makes it use.less to spend or carry about. For example, due to inflation, the cost of "Tin Tomatoes" that usually cost 30 naira has gone up to 50 naira. So what is the essence of carrying two notes of 30 naira and 20 naira when I can easily carry a note of 50 naira? Hope you see the point of this argument. you can't print big note because of inflation!Then again I never said you can't print higher denomination currency because of inflation. However, due to large amounts of money in circulation, the essence of larger notes is to ease money transfers and reduce the cost of money management. Using the same analogy above will suffice. people cry of no money, you said there is much money in circulation!People cry of no money - which could actually be true - and that could be as a result of their respective economic activities. However, it still does not mean that you won't have much money in circulation. The question to ask is what is the source of this money in circulation? Why do we have too much naira chasing the dollar? Why is our system attractive to cash transactions? Most people who complain are usually below the middle class, down to the lower class. and you want to proof that because the price of bag of rice cost ₦20,000 that our 100k, ₦1,₦2,₦3,₦4 worth removed from our pocket(circulation), are you people know the real meaning of inflation?Lol. I don't think you understood my point here. Or maybe I do not understand what message you're trying to pass across here. |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by kaboninc(m): 5:24pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
nabiz:LOL...did you really write this post? |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by kaboninc(m): 5:28pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
orunto27:Lol! |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by nabiz(m): 6:31pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by kaboninc(m): 6:35pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
nabiz:Because its very funny! |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by nabiz(m): 6:46pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
kaboninc: How? I beg tell me |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by kaboninc(m): 6:56pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
nabiz:The hidden money part. Maybe you can tell us where it is. |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by shadeyinka(op): 11:10pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
oyinkinola:Maybe I didn't get your point. Please can you give just five examples of commodities that you can purchase for less than N5? Except you don't live in the country. One TomTom is N5 I don't know what can be cheaper than that. |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by shadeyinka(op): 11:13pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
kaboninc:The failure is the collective responsibility of all our past leaders. They have all been myopic in their handling of the Economy. We all pay the price now! |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by shadeyinka(op): 11:18pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
kaboninc:Exportation of raw material lead to inflation. That is why a developed country like Russia is having economic problem. Government is supposed to make money from taxes from the businesses it has helped to build |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by shadeyinka(op): 11:26pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
kaboninc:Simple 1. Reduce importation through building of private sector owned industries 2. Use oil money to develop business friendly infrastructures. 3. Facilitate the export of Nigerian skills, sweats, labour etc 4. Ban exportation of mineral resources but mine them for home industrial use 5. Develop, Steal, Purchase or clone technologies etc. |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by shadeyinka(op): 11:28pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
oyinkinola:What does the following countries export? USA Japan China UK Germany Does any one of the export raw materials? |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by shadeyinka(op): 11:31pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
trillville:Tell them o! Only third world countries sell raw materials (of course, there are some few exceptions) |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by shadeyinka(op): 11:33pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
kaboninc:Have you done the calculation to prove the contrary? |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by shadeyinka(op): 11:39pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
orunto27:After all that you have said, as long as we don't wake up our dead industries and start adding value to raw materials for domestic consumption, we remain a stagnancy level. Industry is the key! |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by shadeyinka(op): 11:43pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
oyinkinola:What he meant was that the CBN has printed so much money, it is becoming as valueless as paper. Government had been printing money to solve short term problems and they have not been able to mop up the excess |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by shadeyinka(op): 11:45pm On Aug 17, 2016 |
nabiz:All your advice seems to be long term in focus |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by jpphilips(m): 9:16am On Aug 18, 2016 |
oyinkinola:You seem to forget that most of the coins you claim Nigerians refuse to utilize were once notes, why were they abandoned afterwards?? They don't give you cents in a US grocery store because the store has some, they give it to you because the volume of currency in circulation vs the quantity of goods, are in tandem or close to it, hence every currency counts including the cents. Conversely, in an inflated economy like ours, more money are chasing few goods and services hence there is a disproportion, the goods are competing for more money leaving behind its real value. This is my last response to you, life does not run on personal feelings, you need to grasp the fundamentals before you can string cause and effects together. You have a good observation however, you misplaced culpability. Have a nice day!! |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by jpphilips(m): 9:37am On Aug 18, 2016 |
KnowAll:Who doesn't know this? the question is; Can you do it? The only man from Africa who tried was dragged on the streets of Tripoli, do you want that to represent your fate? You may go and read up the AFRICAN DINAR to understand the real reason Gaddafi was killed. |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by jpphilips(m): 9:56am On Aug 18, 2016 |
oyinkinola:I really didn't want to respond further but since you have mentioned Tom Tom, I am equally a fan of Cadbury so let us take this discussion to the streets, Make a list of items that sell 3 pieces for 5 naira, use major cities in Nigeria like PH, ABJ and Lagos (they are the drivers of the economy) as a case study shall we!! |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by jpphilips(m): 10:11am On Aug 18, 2016*. Modified: 11:07am On Aug 18, 2016 |
kaboninc:Immediately i read this, i told myself that this joke can only come from Kabnonic, not surprised though. Now listen attentively, since August 2014, a disaster befell Nigeria and that disaster was low export revenue. By 2015 when this Government came in, it has become worse now let us go to the basics. Forex control falls under the Monetary policy strictly under the CBN Governor, so what will Fiscal policy contribute to Forex shortages? Hoping you know that Fiscal policy is strictly about Government spending, funny enough, the CBN and MOF hardly operate the same account, so what do you expect from the minister? You said Fiscal and monetary policies should complement each other but refused to tell us how in terms of boosting export earnings. How exactly do you want the Finance Minister to help the CBN Governor to boost export earnings which is the real challenge of the CBN? I told you sometime ago that why people blamed Iweala for Jonathan's financial misdemeanor was not because they didn't know that Iweala was not culpable but she accepted a position that puts her in charge as a coordinator of the economy, that is where she became culpable, You argued on the contrary at the time, so why do you think the absence of a finance minister makes a difference in the CBN's woes? Aren't you speaking from both compass of your mouth? |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by jpphilips(m): 10:35am On Aug 18, 2016*. Modified: 11:10am On Aug 18, 2016 |
orunto27:Redenomination sounds like the economic proposal of Ben murray Bruce, someone with 11b naira at his disposal yet could not run a cinema effectively and you take his word for it? Soludo is an economics guru, the fact he proposed it in 2004/2006 does not mean it is still a valid arguement. In Soludo's era it could have worked for obvious reasons, but now, it will render us impotent. I heard BMB's message where he mentioned Ghana and the Turkish Lira, I couldn't hold Laughter, that guy is as empty as his debts, he doesn't understand nada, he is only capitalizing on his media advantage just like Nnamdi kanu did with Radio Biafra. We have more to lose re denominating than we have to gain, Nigeria's 2004 economic landscape is different from now. |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by jpphilips(m): 10:59am On Aug 18, 2016 |
shadeyinka:Did you really ask this question? most of you still have a long way to go in dissecting issues. |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by kaboninc(m): 12:39pm On Aug 18, 2016 |
jpphilips:Its been a very long time you quoted me. JJPhilips! ![]() Now back to your comment. Forex control falls under the Monetary policy strictly under the CBN Governor, so what will Fiscal policy contribute to Forex shortages? Hoping you know that Fiscal policy is strictly about Government spending, funny enough, the CBN and MOF hardly operate the same account, so what do you expect from the minister? You said Fiscal and monetary policies should complement each other but refused to tell us how in terms of boosting export earnings. How exactly do you want the Finance Minister to help the CBN Governor to boost export earnings which is the real challenge of the CBN?This is not the first time nor will it be the last time that Nigeria will experience this shock/price reduction in crude oil. However what matters most is what you have as leverage/hedge against the shock. In business when earnings increase, you invest and save especially in very unstable economic environment. Then when earnings reduce, you use the savings and reduce cost. Now did we have enough savings? I do not want to trade blames on who is responsible because truly, it is obvious. Quite alright, the CBN sets the tone for foreign exchange policy in Nigeria but they must work together with the MOF so as to reflect the realities on ground and achieve a common goal. Let me give you an example. Due to so much pressure on the Foreign Reserves, the CBN had to place a ban on access to foreign exchange to finance the importation of certain products. Ironically, the fiscal response will be to place a ban on the importation or initiate measures to discourage importation and encourage local production and these includes increasing import tariffs, granting tax holidays, easing and supporting access to finance, and spending on infrastructure, etc. So the CBN in its wisdom, could only acted within its mandate so as to keep our reserves healthy. But did we even have a Finance Minister at that time? Another example is petroleum products. A large percentage of our imports is refined petroleum products. Importers assess funds from the CBN (at that time) at "affordable" rates so that they could sell at an "affordable" price even with the subsidy to Nigerians. Now the only thing the CBN could do is to ensure strict compliance as to request and remittance of the foreign exchange to suppliers. However, if the government had taken the bold step to remove subsidy earlier than they did, the pressure wouldn't have been this severe. Unfortunately a Finance Minister had not been appointed as at that time. Then again, focus should not be about boosting export earnings but boosting local production to meet local consumption. If we can meet a sizable percentage of local consumption, we will succeed in reducing our dependence on imports and hence strengthen our naira. The amount of imports alone in a year is a reflection of the huge market potentials in Nigeria. And there are various ways the government can "spend" money to make this a reality. Provision of infrastructure especially power and transportation is very critical. The talk about CBN and MOF operating the same account is a funny statement that should not have arisen. I told you sometime ago that why people blamed Iweala for Jonathan's financial misdemeanor was not because they didn't know that Iweala was not culpable but she accepted a position that puts her in charge as a coordinator of the economy, that is where she became culpable, You argued on the contrary at the time, so why do you think the absence of a finance minister makes a difference in the CBN's woes?Most people (sadly including you) who blame the past administration for certain misdemeanor are usually sentimental in their reasoning. Even the current administration has tried so much to pour dirt on the last administration but end up "commending" them. In the last administration, we had an economic team that had a clear focus, clear mandate, clear roadmap, clear idea of where they were going, the challenges they faced and were determined to succeed. You saw fusion of ideas, you had formidable partnerships, you had resilient spirit even in the face of challenges, stiff destructive opposition, bully and tyrany. Yet they continued working. I can give you an example of the CBN working with the MOF. When Mr. Godwin came in, he made it clear that his goal is to support, nurture and encourage local production, supporting small business and most especially the informal sector. The MOF responded by making it easy for people to access finance through the banks. The Minister of Petroleum Resources made sure that there Nigerians and Nigerian companies participated in various business operation in the petroleum industry especially the Upstream. Can we say that for the current administration? The VP, a lawyer is the coordinator. Oh, great...but you as a person, can you just tell the house what are the clear policies of this administration? Their roadmaps? |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by kaboninc(m): 12:49pm On Aug 18, 2016 |
shadeyinka:Who should build these private sector owned industries? Government or You? 2. Use oil money to develop business friendly infrastructures.Business friendly infrastructures like? And these infrastructures, don't you think they are already being build or in place? 3. Facilitate the export of Nigerian skills, sweats, labour etcLol @ our Sweats! However, don't you think there is a deficiency of required skills, sweats and labor? 4. Ban exportation of mineral resources but mine them for home industrial useYou mean we should "completely" ban 'all' minieral resources? Even processed mineral resources? 5. Develop, Steal, Purchase or clone technologiesSteal or clone technologies? Will that help innovation? |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by kaboninc(m): 12:52pm On Aug 18, 2016 |
shadeyinka:Lol. I'll advise that you take you time to study how economies operate. |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by Nobody: 1:19pm On Aug 18, 2016 |
shadeyinka:THAT'S MY PROBLEM LET ME WORRY ABOUT THAT |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by orunto27: 9:58am On Aug 19, 2016 |
Let us take it easy meangwhile please. Let us just for example, persuade these 3 good citizens viz:- Ben Bruce, Saraki and Emefiele to bring in their Escrow Accounts into their Current and Domiciliary Accounts with our DMBs and CBN. Let CBN domicile @ N100:$1. DMBs will transact them to BDCs @ N115: $1 and BDCs will reach End-Users @ N135:$1. Please don't say they guinea-pigs? No. We are asking them to be Patriotic Leaders to move Nigeria forward. If these 3 Personalities cooperate to do what I am suggesting, I can assure you that Soludo, Lamido, Ekweremadu and I, will join this good example.. Very soon, there will be no breathing space for looters anymore. The N300 forex savings made from each one Dollar Exchange will tremendously improve the value of Naira and will make more Naira available for Agriculture, local industries, Road constructions and National Development. |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by oyinkinola: 10:04am On Aug 19, 2016 |
jpphilips:...you are totally wrong, although i didn't know what type of economics you economists plan for Nigerian economy but whatever be the case, if your plan didn't put into consideration 70% of Nigerian living bellow poverty level.... $1!, also such a plan must take into consideration of our locally produced and consumed product, the necessity of life eg food, and the least currency that can easily earn with little effort, and must be protected of market cheating! the plan will failed! If tom tom is N5 per unit, 5 one, one Naira=N5, will buy 1 tom tom, N1 is hereby not valueless! |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by oyinkinola: 10:43am On Aug 19, 2016 |
jpphilips:I disagree, 1. since Nigeria own her money after pound, Central bank introduce Notes and Coins and till today coins are still in circulation according to CBN but where are they in your pocket?(coins 50kobo, N1, N2)means 2.50+2.50=N5,2+2+1=N5,5+1=N6,5+2=N7,5+1+2=N8,2+2+5=N9 with this any amount you bring to market you will have your change back without cheating, that's the best transaction! this is the reason why CBN keep this Coins till-date to ease transaction not just an arrangement between sellers and buyers! but Nigerian killed them,this put pressure on N5 and don't be surprise to see N5 died soon! and inflation will be blamed. |
| Re: Failed Naira: Your Advice For The Federal Government by shadeyinka(op): 3:04pm On Aug 20, 2016 |
jpphilips: |
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why did u ask?