This article is aimed at exposing a fellow called Muhammad Ali jabata a takfiri who calls people to misguidance, his false teachings is now a thing of concern for students of knowledge in the south western part of Nigeria, and I feel the need to warn people about him, HE IS AMONG THE KHAWAARIJ OF OUR TIME, his students and followers are spreading his misguidance through a website which i wont give the name so some people wont be tempted to click on it, just Hold on tight to that name MUHAMMAD ALEE JABATA, if you see his name on a website, DO NOT DOWNLOAD ANY AUDIO FROM THAT WEBSITE, EVEN IF IT IS ANOTHER PERSON, AS FAR AS IT IS THAT WEBSITE, THEIR IDEOLOGIES ARE ALL THE SAME, BECAUSE THE PREACHERS IN THAT WEBSITE ARE ALL HIS FOLLOWERS, BEWARE! Now here is a brief history of this Man, culled from:

http://www.simplysalafiyyah.com/A-Peek-at-False-Manhaj-of-Muhammad-Awwal-Jabata.html

Some ten years ago in South-West Nigeria, there arrived a fellow from Egypt en route Lagos and finally landed in a city known for some Islamic presence albeit Soofiyyah, Ilorin. This was a time when there was a resurgence of Sunnah-Salafiyyah in the region. Many youths were very enthusiastic to learn what was new in the Sunnah, and without much ado, would put it into action. This was also a time when many Sunnah-loving youths were freeing themselves from the blindness of hizbiyyah [blameworthy partisanship] that was being promoted by many Sunnah-seeming organizations. There were scholars of Sunnah at the time but they were very handful, or not very prominent, perhaps because the challenge was not really there.

Then the youths began to hear some conundrums from the fellow that arrived from Egypt. Things that were not what the youths were yearning for. Though some of the youths, especially those not really on the knowledge path, as usual, fell for the bait. Ibn Hajar Al-Asqalaanee [may Allâh show mercy on him], the writer of the popular Bulooghul-Maraam and the best commentary on Saheeh Bukhaari, was a Kâfir because he was an unrepentant Ash’aree (a person that makes some twistings in some of the Attributes of Allaah). Abu Haneefah [may Allâh show mercy on him] was no Imaam at all, in fact he was an ignoramus that rarely said what was correct whether in jurisprudential matters or ‘Aqeedah; he was a Mur’ji’ [a person that removes actions from belief] so he must be removed from the Four Imaams! Al-Imaam an-Nawawee [may Allâh show mercy on him] was also a Kâfir because he was as guilty as Ibn Hajar [may Allâh show mercy on him]. Al-Imaam As-Suyootee was indeed a Sufi whose comments and scholarly works amounted to nothing. If you eat with your spoon and fork you have come up with an innovation in the Deen and your abode is the hell, do not count on any excuse because there is no excuse in the matters that have to do with Aqeedah! If you have a newborn, and you invite people to it to dine with you, then you are as well as a kaafir. If your wife or daughter or mother does not cover her face then she is a sinner and her sin is nothing but a Kufr act, therefore she will enter the hellfire, no question. All the fathers are unbelievers if they do not hear what we say, hence when we pretentiously ask for the hands of their daughters in marriage and they fail to grant it we shall go ahead and marry them, there is no need for a Sharee’ah Qaadi to permit it, the Qudaat themselves are people of bid’ah and the people bid’ah, as far as we are concerned are Kuffaar, not even the minor Kufr! Kufr is Kufr just as bid’ah is bid’ah all which lands its doer in the hell as a major sin.

By Allâh, we have some youths that imbibe(d) the above false and far-from-the-correct-manhaj teachings, and of course, put them into ferocious actions declaring whomever comes with different stances even if they are more correct as kuffaar mubtadi’oon. May Allâh save the Muslims.

Nobody brought the thoughts we have mentioned to South-West Nigeria other than the fellow that came from Egypt via Lagos. His name is Muhammad Awwal Alee Jabata [may Allâh guide him and us to what is correct]. He is indeed a scourge for the Muslims in the South-West Nigeria.

As we said, he had his higher schooling in Egypt. He studied nothing but the course many scholars of Sunnah, past and present, had warned us about, Falsafa [Philosophy] in a university which nobody goes and remains safe in ‘Aqeedah and Manhaj except whomever is shown mercy by Allâh, al-Azhar University, Cairo. Jabata was doing his Master’s degrees when he was sent away from the school for anti-government activities; he was eventually jailed. One of his former first-class students, whom Allâh the Bountiful Lord has saved from him, Abdul-Fattaah Balloo, told us that when they were students under him, Jabata used to boast of being sent out of the Azhari University because of what he claimed were bold steps in saying the ‘truth’ against the government!

One very sad thing, and which has informed this important but short message, is that Jabata goes on today declaring Muslims especially the callers to Sunnah as Kuffaar because of one alleged Bid’ah or the other, in fact, he has openly declared sinners among the Muslims as Kuffaar. For instance, he said whoever eats mutton, chicken, egg, etc, from animals not well-kept have eaten scavengers therefore such a person is a sinner and is guilty of kufr that will land him in the hell fire. His tapes where he says such things are very widely spread.

It was no surprise when he declared a caller to Sunnah [we do not praise anybody above Allâh] in Ibadan as a Kâfir for allegedly permitting bowing to other than Allâh. That allegation remains a big lie.

We would have even kept quiet from writing about him if not very recently when some foot-soldiers of his came out massively online to sell the products of their fateen teacher to the non-suspecting Muslim public at the time when the love for Sunnah and Salafiyyah seems to be soaring very rapidly, all praise to Allâh.

Jabata has made himself an authority in the whole of South West Nigeria. Praise to Allâh who used some scholars and students of the Sunnah in Lagos and Ilorin to cut his wings, that was about seven years ago. Those scholars refuted him so ferociously that he went underground for years. Alhamdulillah, many youths abandoned him and we even thought he had repented from his evil statements. But today Jabata has resurfaced and found a new haven in the old city of Ibadan, the capital of the old western region of Nigeria and the arguably the largest city in Africa, and there are many ignoramuses blindly following him saying ‘he has daleel with him’. Many of these his ignoramus followers do not know how to spell their names in Arabic let alone knowing the matters of Bid’ah, Kufr and Eemaan properly. May Allâh guide all of us and them.

Among the teachings of Alee Jabata are the following:

1. That Allâh only sent the Messenger of Allâh (salaLlaahu alahyi wa sallam) to us therefore there is no need for scholarly explanations in the matters of the Deen this is why he has come up with various theories he had no one as his Imaam. AbdulFattaah Ballo told us that he was there in the class when Jabata began the Da’wah of spoon and fork is bid’ah that would lead to kufr, he said they were reading a Qaradawi book that day when he came across the issue while trying to refute the former. He said he was also present in the Waleemah of the second wife of Jabata where spoons were freely used. In fact, he said, when it seemed the gathering had run out of spoons, Jabata himself had to search for spoons to share between his guests. But just some months after, he said the use of spoon and fork is a bid’ah act that makes one a total Kâfir! That is what he and his followers say there is no exaggeration.

So Jabata believes in no scholar save his unknown teachers. Abdul-Fattaah said, truly Jabata used to quote Ibn Taymiyyah and Ibn Qayyim but he would quote them when they said whatever suited his whims. He believes in himself and himself alone upon the claim that he is following the Daleel! So he is a mujtahid!

2. Similar to the point above is that Jabata does not believe in the legitimacy of the statements of the Sahabah as being useful in the Sharî’ah. He said whether a Sahabi said a thing or not is not what matters, what matters is whatever the Messenger of Allâh (salaLlaahu alahyi wa sallam) said. This therefore qualifies him to look at the issues of Islam the way he feels like since the person of the Messenger of Allâh (salaLlaahu alahyi wa sallam) alone is to be followed! It is not far that this thought of his takes him away from the manhaj of the Salaf even if he and his loyalists make a thousand claims.

Those are the Usool of Jabata known to him and his unknown teachers among whom is the deviant, Mahmood al-Haddaadee, also and Egyptiian, who championed the cause, among other deviant ones, that all the books of Ibn Hajar al-Asqalanee should be burnt because he was a Kâfir! Interestingly Jabata says he is not a follower of Haddaadee. He would sometime want to burst into crying whenever he is attributed to Haddaadee. AbdulFattaah Ballo told us that Jabata once said that Haddaadee himself was a Kâfir to him! We say that it is not new for a bunch of Takfeeris ending up calling one another Kuffaar. One of the scholars has said that if you gather ten Takfeeris in a room, they will end up calling one another kuffaar. There are many other things Jabata would deny whenever he is cornered.

Whether Jabata and his followers like it or not, he is a Haddaadee and a Takfeeri [a person who unjustly declares Muslims as unbelievers because of one sins or the other that sometimes include bid’ah] thus his words are not to be taken. His speeches are to be avoided. Warnings have to go on against him and his followers, until the Deen become Allah’s alone.

Lastly, we think it would not be proper if we fail to bring the concise description made by one of the Shuyookh of Sunnah in South West Nigeria, Ash-Shaykh Najeem Sulayman [may Allâh lengthen his life on goodness], about the person and manhaj of Alee Jabata. The Shaykh said:

'He is bold on falsehood. His tongue is (always) drawn out. His speeches are unmarketable, rejected even false. He never smelt Da'wah Salafiyyah let alone tasting it. Allaah's aid is sought.'

This is just a warning to the sunnah loving youths from the south western part of Nigeria, beware of who you learn from, salaam alaykum.

Is he an Alfa?

yep, a kharijee in ilorin, kwara state, his anthem is "kullu bid'atin kufr" whereas our noble prophet said "kullu bid'atin dhalaala", honestly i wouldnt opened this thread, but someone notified this morning about what one of his followers did recently, then i felt the need of warning people about him.

It is only a matter of time before he gets power and start slaughtering you brothers and sisters if you dont expose and restrain his trash. He is xtreme summarily.

Empiree:
It is only a matter of time before he gets power and start slaughtering you brothers and sisters if you dont expose and restrain his trash. He is xtreme summarily.

The underlined is exactly my fear, this is why i opened this thread, insha Allaah i will open other threads that refutes some of his nonsense.

this is serious. a lot of complicity in the land. Allah knows best. every sect always claims to be the best and always possess evidences. one should just stick with Qur'an and observe solat to be on the safe side

Lol.. I have 3 of is audio. Yet to listen to em' though.

Rilwayne001:
Lol.. I have 3 of is audio. Yet to listen to em' though.

Tor, delete it o, or better still dont take what he says seriously, there is this his student that is exactly like him in oyo, Abu Aisha a.k.a abu ibeji a.k.a mustopha Rosheed, stay away from his audio lectures.

lexiconkabir:


Tor, delete o, or better still dont take what he says seriously, there is this student that is exactly like him in oyo, Abu Aisha a.k.a abu ibeji a.k.a mustopha Rosheed, stay away from his audios lectures.

Lol.. Demola said exactly the same thing. I will see to that sha.

I know him as a misguided person way before now. I'm in ibadan though.

poundlander:
this is serious. a lot of complicity in the land. Allah knows best. every sect always claims to be the best and always possess evidences. one should just stick with Qur'an and observe solat to be on the safe side

And where did you keep the sunnah?

lexiconkabir:


And where did you keep the sunnah?

Sunnah! how are you sure which is authentic and which is weak this days? a lot of "hadith" on the cyberspace and everywhere, be it saudi, Egypt, Morocco, Iran, Iraq, ilorin, ibadan, kano, sokoto. each sect always claims to be the best

poundlander:

Sunnah! how are you sure which is authentic and which is weak this days? a lot of "hadith" on the cyberspace and everywhere, be it saudi, Egypt, Morocco, Iran, Iraq, ilorin, ibadan, kano, sokoto. each sect always claims to be the best

The job of authenticity of hadith has been done by scholars of hadith, scholars like Bukhari, Muslim, Albani, ibn majah, tirmidhi, and so on, you can as well study the science of hadith, so it all goes down to studying, if you are discarding the sunnah, then how will you pray without that same sunnah?

lexiconkabir:


The job of authenticity of hadith has been done by scholars of hadith, scholars like Bukhari, Muslim, Albani, ibn majah, tirmidhi, and so on, you can as well study the science of hadith, so it all goes down to studying, if you are discarding the sunnah, then how will you pray without that same sunnah?

am not discarding sunnah, am only being careful in embracing ALL reported sunnah, because we also have sheikhs that have discredited the works of some of sheiks mentioned. if prophets of Allah are fallible, then sheikhs are more susceptible.

poundlander:

am not discarding sunnah, am only being careful in embracing ALL reported sunnah, because we also have sheikhs that have discredited the works of some of sheiks mentioned. if prophets of Allah are fallible, then sheikhs are more susceptible.

Note: The prophets are infallible in matters of deen.

Follow the sunnah that has been proven to be authentic, to know the ones that are authentic, you have to study, simple as ABC but trying to brush away the sunnah because you are being "careful" is misguidance.

lexiconkabir:


Note: The prophets are infallible in matters of deen.

Follow the sunnah that has been proven to be authentic, to know the ones that are authentic, you have to study, simple as ABC but trying to brush away the sunnah because you are being "careful" is misguidance.

noted. but am sure the followers of jabata too will have it in their mind that they are practising the sunnah, as jabata himself would claim to have studied extensively before arriving at his doctrine. to be safe I will rather stick to what is surer than what is controversial as stipulated in the hadith

poundlander:

noted. but am sure the followers of jabata too will have it in their mind that they are practising the sunnah, as jabata himself would claim to have studied extensively before arriving at his doctrine. to be safe I will rather stick to what is surer than what is controversial as stipulated in the hadith

Claiming that you follow the sunnah is not the problem, you claim to follow the sunnah? Masha Allaah! Thats not our concern, our concern is your methodology, if it doesnt conform with the methodology of our pious predecessors(the sahabas, the followers of the sahabas, the followers of the followers of the sahabas) in the deen, then we will kick you out and expose you, this is what i did on this thread, jabata failed from day one of his da'wah.

The prophet said hold on tight to the book of Allaah and the Sunnah, doing these, you can never go astray, some version says hold them tight with your molars, as you know, holding with your molars can never make them fall, now here you are trying to brush away that same sunnah? I advice you change your orientation.

lexiconkabir:


Claiming that you follow the sunnah is not the problem, you claim to follow the sunnah? Masha Allaah! Thats not our concern, our concern is your methodology, if it doesnt conform with the methodology of our pious predecessors(the sahabas, the followers of the sahabas, the followers of the followers of the sahabas) in the deen, then we will kick you out and expose you, this is what i did on this thread, jabata failed from day one of his da'wah.

The prophet said hold on tight to the book of Allaah and the Sunnah, doing these, you can never go astray, some version says hold them tight with your molars, as you know, holding with your molars can never make them fall, now here you are trying to brush away that same sunnah? I advice you change your orientation.

what I will say is Allah knows best, because its quite easy to sit at the other side of the divide and condemn. Sufi did it, izala did it, jabata n his cohorts are doing it. I think its high time we quitted condemnation of one another, and rather enlighting Muslims on the basic rudiments of Islam. since most, if not all of these sects believe in oneness of Allah, the prophets, observing solat, alms giving, pilgrimage and Ramadan fasting.

poundlander:

what I will say is Allah knows best, because its quite easy to sit at the other side of the divide and condemn. Sufi did it, izala did it, jabata n his cohorts are doing it. I think its high time we quitted condemnation of one another, and rather enlighting Muslims on the basic rudiments of Islam. since most, if not all of these sects believe in oneness of Allah, the prophets, observing solat, alms giving, pilgrimage and Ramadan fasting.

The basic pillar of Islam is tawheed, without tawheed the rest of your deeds are rubbish, and this is exactly where all those sects you mentioned faulted, so what we are to start with is tawheed and not "how to pray" "how to do wudhu" and so on, even when the prophet sent mu'adh to Yemen, he asked him to teach the people tawheed first, after theyve understood it, then he should teach them salaah and so on, even our noble prophet taught tawheed for 13 good years, before he started teaching salaah and so on, therefore we will keep condeming people that has faulted in tawheed, we wont just sit down and watch the ummah sink, Abadan!

lexiconkabir:


The basic pillar of Islam is tawheed, without tawheed the rest of your deeds are rubbish, and this is exactly where all those sects you mentioned faulted

See that? See that? See that?. This is how jabata started. I told you before that his ideology sprung from yours - the people who called themselves "salafis" today. Because he has gone overboard is the reason salafi in nija disassociate themselves from him. And no matter how worse he is, he speaks some truth that i can deduce from but i can't accept him as my teacher.

In order to authenticate your statement, you have to proof that a muslim believes there is more than one Allah (subhanaAllah). This is what you meant. You are saying that only the salafis are upon tawheed. Tawheed is Oneness of Allah which is basic essence of a muslim. This is what differentiates us from other religions. So how many muslims we have then if salafi are the only muslims?. Alhamdullilah, I liberated myself from such mentality in 2011. I was in salafism for 4 yrs and am over it. It is ideology of shabab(youths) who only understand what they see. Nothing more. They derive themselves from insight.

No muslim believes there is more than one God not even Sh'a. Why do you need to condemn ALL sects and purifies yours just bcus you said this incantation "I am a muslim upon the understanding of salafi salih". Saying this phrase doesnt proof anything at all. And what proudlander is saying is not ideology of Quraniyun (hadith rejecters). He is being skeptical of spurious ahadith just like any muslim.

As for following the footsteps of sahaba, let me remind you that sahaba are people of SPIRITUALITY. They did not call themselves Salafi. The word salaf merely means predecessors. If anyone calls himself salafi today does not mean he is following them. Sahaba are people of FIRASA.


"Hold on to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of my kulafah rashidun" is the same as Allah's SUNNAH, Allah's way. No difference btw them bcus Rosululah (SAW) would NEVER contradict Qur'an and Kulafa Roshidun would NEVER contradict the prophet (Sallalahu Alaiy wasalam). ANd "Sunnah" practices are spread all over hadith collections. Not only Sahih Bukhari and Muslim. There are other 4 shittah used by some muslims,

Jabata's takfir is his major error which is very close to that of salafism. Those salafis worldwide have made takfir of people. Same in nija, those who are now condemning Jabata have made takfri of other muslims. They only go against Jabata now after he made takfir of them too like Sheik Akindele

Empiree:
See that? See that? See that?.

see what?

This is how jabata started. I told you before that his ideology sprung from yours - the people who called themselves "salafis" today. Because he has gone overboard is the reason salafi in nija disassociate themselves from him. And no matter how worse he is, he speaks some truth that i can deduce from but i can't accept him as my teacher.

Jabata never started like an ahlul sunnah, and what are trying to insinuate? that Tawheed shouldnt be the paramount thing? do you even know what tawheed is? I dont think so, are you disputing the fact that the first thing that should be taught is tawheed? so you now know how to teach islam better than the prophet? when the prophet wanted to teach islam, what did he started with? see this hadith;

it was narrated that Ibn ‘Abbaas (may Allaah be pleased with him) said: When the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) sent Mu’aadh ibn Jabal to Yemen, he said to him: “You are going to people from among the People of the Book, [size=15pt]so let the first thing to which you call them be belief in Allaah alone (Tawheed)[/size]. If they accept that, then tell them that Allaah has enjoined on them five prayers every day and night. If they pray then tell them that Allaah has enjoined on them zakaah from their wealth to be taken from their rich and given to their poor. If they agree to that then take it from them but avoid the best of people’s wealth.”

why didnt the prophet say he should start from salaah or zakaah and so on, why tawheed? isnt that what i just told the brother?

tawheed do not divide muslims as Allaah says;

".,.It is He Who has supported you with His Help and with the believers. And He has united their (i.e. believers') hearts. If you had spent all that is in the earth, you could not have united their hearts, but Allaah has united them. Certainly He is All-Mighty, All-Wise. (Al-Anfal: 62-63)"

Why did Allaah not unite the Muslims with something other than the word of Tawheed? When they said, 'Laa illaaha il-Allaah (none has the right to be worshipped in truth except Allaah alone),' and they purified their worship for Allaah, and they abandoned Shirk, then their hearts became united. And if this had not happened, they would have remained as they were before - dispersed, divided, fighting each other, and killing each other.

So when the Messenger of Allaah (salallaahu 'alayhi wa sallam) called them to Tawheed, and they said, 'Laa illaaha il-Allaah (none has the right to be worshipped in truth except Allaah alone),' and they believed in it and acted in accordance with it, then Allaah united their hearts upon Tawheed.

And Imam Malik (rahimahullaah) said: 'The last part of this Ummah will never be rectified except by that which rectified its first part.'

whats that first part? Tawheed, so i dont seriously know your problem.

In order to authenticate your statement, you have to proof that a muslim believes there is more than one Allah (subhanaAllah). This is what you meant. You are saying that only the salafis are upon tawheed. Tawheed is Oneness of Allah which is basic essence of a muslim. This is what differentiates us from other religions.

As usual, your definitions are incomplete, anyway here is the full definition of Tawheed;

Believing that Allaah is One with no partner or associate in His Lordship (ruboobiyyah), divinity (uloohiyyah) or names and attributes (al-asma’ wa’l-sifaat).

so lets start with sufis, sufis do believe that their mawlanas have the power to do the good or bad, they do grave worship and so many acts of shirk, shi'as call on Hussayn, hassan, Ali, and so on for help just like the sufis, the ash'arees do twistings with the attributes of Allaah, they dont leave the way Allaah gave himself the attributes, murjis has the same fault as ash'arees, so one way or the other they have faulted either in Tawheed Ar-ruboobiyyah or Tawheed al-uloohiyyah or al-asmaa wa'l-sifaat).

So how many muslims we have then if salafi are the only muslims?. Alhamdullilah, I liberated myself from such mentality in 2011. I was in salafism for 4 yrs and am over it. It is ideology of shabab(youths) who only understand what they see. Nothing more. They derive themselves from insight.

I am not saying anybody is not a muslim, calling a muslim a kafir unjustly is a very serious issue, i wont do that(audhubillaah), but that doesnt mean we wont teach people about tawheed, the dangers you will fall into if you are not careful and so on, seriously Empiree if you dont want to learn, why dont you let others?

No muslim believes there is more than one God not even Sh'a. Why do you need to condemn ALL sects and purifies yours just bcus you said this incantation "I am a muslim upon the understanding of salafi salih". Saying this phrase doesnt proof anything at all. And what proudlander is saying is not ideology of Quraniyun (hadith rejecters). He is being skeptical of spurious ahadith just like any muslim.

yes saying the phrase doesnt proof anything at all, but to act upon it, bi idhnillaahi ta'ala i am striving hard to act on it, but are you? Muhammad said his ummah will divide into 73, and only one will be saved, the sahabas asked him which? he said those that are upon what me and my companions are upon, I ask you, are you upon this?

As for following the footsteps of sahaba, let me remind you that sahaba are people of SPIRITUALITY. They did not call themselves Salafi. The word salaf merely means predecessors. If anyone calls himself salafi today does not mean he is following them. Sahaba are people of FIRASA.

yes salafi means predecessors, so it doesnt mean anything, that is why the followers of sunnah adds "solih" that is the pious predecessors among the predecessors, you know you are very funny, why would sahaba call themselves predecessors? does that make sense to you? if some people are to come after you, you dont know them yet, then can you call yourself a predecessor? predecessor of who?

"Hold on to my Sunnah and the Sunnah of my kulafah rashidun" is the same as Allah's SUNNAH, Allah's way. No difference btw them bcus Rosululah (SAW) would NEVER contradict Qur'an and Kulafa Roshidun would NEVER contradict the prophet (Sallalahu Alaiy wasalam). ANd "Sunnah" practices are spread all over hadith collections. Not only Sahih Bukhari and Muslim. There are other 4 shittah used by some muslims,

when i quote hadith, do i restrict myself to bukhari and muslim alone? i dont have any problem with any hadith as far as it is authentic!

Jabata's takfir is his major error which is very close to that of salafism. Those salafis worldwide have made takfir of people. Same in nija, those who are now condemning Jabata have made takfri of other muslims. They only go against Jabata now after he made takfir of them too like Sheik Akindele

Jabata has many errors apart from being a takfiri - a quick question, who is a takfiri??

Jabata lies against Allaah and the prophet, he has never been a follower of the pious predecessors of islam, his aqeedah is foreign to the people of sunnah.


Empiree, i see you are trying hard to make me look like a bad person, because i am trying to propagate the sunnah, but it is no suprise, if ibn taymiyyah was imprisoned many times because of strict adherence to the sunnah, imam maalik was beaten until his hand was broken, even our noble prophet was stoned, then who am i?

salaam.

The whole thing's a joke. For instance, Sheik Akindele is a well known specialist in Ruqya. Ruqya is arabic word for medicine or sort which is equivalent to Yoruba's Jalabi. Bunch of Salafis have condemned Jalabi which is technically ruqya. The name(ruqya) and practice is acceptable by muslims bcus it has Arabic undertone. But Jabata is now accusing Sheik Akindele of Shirk. I watched his video you posted during ramadan on Agege thread.

He said Sheik Akindele got the dua from the Jinn. Isnt the same thing you and other salafi condemned Jalabi people for? That's, dua that is not recommended by the prophet?. Sheik Akindele being a Salafi himself doesnt see anything wrong with it lately. I guess his understanding of the deen is getting wider and wider now. Now Jabata is doing exact same thing he did. Jabata went astray by saying Jinn giving Sheik Akindele dua is like jinn giving Children of israel magic.

He calls the dua magic while in fact the dua that Sheik Akindele recited in Ruqya are clear verses of Allah. Same thing i was telling you. Yes, it is true that Jinn gave him dua to recite to cure his victims. As long as the dua is Allah's word or has general isnad in the Qur'an, ii is absolutely valid. Dont we read the same thing in hadith where Shaytan recommended Ayat Qursiy. So bcus Shaytan recommended it makes it bid'a? No. This is what you people dont understand. I am so thankful to Allah for little understand he bestowed on me.

Dua is dua as long as it has isnad (chain) in the Quran. Period. We dont need to search for specific ahadith to give us order before we say a prayer ( voluntary). Shari'a is SUNNAH. SUNNAH is Shari'a

lexiconkabir:


This will be responded to when I'm less busy insha Allaah.

ok

Empiree:
The whole thing's a joke. For instance, Sheik Akindele is a well known specialist in Ruqya. Ruqya is arabic word for for medicine of sort which is equivalent to Yoruba's Jalabi. Bunch of Salafis have condemned Jalabi which is technically ruqya. The name and practice is acceptable by muslims bcus it has Arabic undertone. But Jabata is now accusing Sheik Akindele of Shirk. I watched his video you posted during ramadan on Agege thread.

He said Sheik Akindele got the dua from the Jinn. Isnt the same thing you and other salafi condemned Jalabi people of? That's, dua not recommended by the prophet?. Sheik Akindele being a Salafi himself doesnt see anything wrong with it lately. I guess his understanding of the deen is getting wider and wider now. Now Jabata is doing exact same thing he did. Jabata went astray by saying Jinn giving Sheik Akindele dua is like jinn giving Children of israel magic. He calls the dua magic while in fact the dua Sheik Akindele recite in Ruqya are clear verses of Allah. Same thing i was telling you. Yes, it is true that Jinn gave him dua to recite to cure his victim. As long as the dua is Allah's word or has general isnad in the Qur'an, is it absolutely valid. Dont we read the same thing in hadith where Shaytan recommended Ayat Qursiy. Bcus Shaytan recommends it makes it bid'a? No. This is what you people dont understand. I am so thankful to Allah for little understand he bestowed on me

A very touching story, someone should please pass me a tissue.....

The whole thing is a joke. Dua is dua as long as it has isnad (chain) in the Quran. Period. We dont need to search for specific ahadith to give us order before we say a prayer ( voluntary). Shari'a is SUNNAH. SUNNAH is Shari'a

Then why was the prophet sent to explain the Quran and teach us how to serve Allaah if we were able to understand it ourselves? if you are prescribing du'a yourself that do yasin xyz times without any recommendation from the prophet, then its nonsense, i asked you a question, people today use suratul masad to curse people that wronged them, so i asked, did the prophet prescribed that? obviously No, is suratul Masad in the Quran? yes, is it nonsense to curse someone with suratul masad? yes!

salaam!

Amoto94:
A Peek at False Manhaj of Muhammad Awwal
#JABATA Al-Haddaadee At-Takfeeree

Maybe you should merge your thread here

This is directed at Muslims that seek truth;

Like i have said and proved, without tawheed your islam wil crumble, don't let anyone deceive you, what you need to do is learn tawheed, not just learning tawheed, learn from the right sources, tawheed is very important! The ummah can never unite upon falsehood, we can only unite upon truth which is tawheed.

How do you expect us to unite when we are not on the same page? How can i unite with someone that calls hussayn instead of Allaah? Or someone that claims a prophet came after Muhammad? Or someone that kneels for someone other than Allaah? We can never unite on that, Abadan! Its like uniting water and fire, its not done.


So i appeal to Muslims that wants to be guided, pls learn tawheed, in that course you'll learn the nullifiers of Islam.


Salaam alaykum.

Very well said brother @lexiconkabir

Just to add more on the divisions of the Muslims.

Division and differences among this ummah is something inevitable, to which history bears witness, as do the texts of the Sunnah of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever among you lives after I am gone will see a great deal of dissent.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (4067); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

Dissent has occurred in the political field, as well as in the fields of thought and ‘aqeedah, which is represented in the appearance of different sects at the end of the era of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs, such as the Murji’is, Shi’ah and Khawaarij.

But by His mercy, Allaah decreed that this division should happen when some groups drifted away from the way of the main body of the Muslims and developed their own different approach, and they were distinguished by their own names and character. So the ‘aqeedah of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, and the ‘aqeedah of the majority of Muslims, was not confused even for a day with that of the other, misguided sects, so that those sects would not dare to call themselves Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, rather they are called after the bid’ah (innovation) that they introduced, or the person who founded the sect. You can see that when you examine the names of all the sects.

The famous hadeeth about the ummah splitting into seventy-three sects bears witness to that.

It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).”

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) described the saved group as the[b] jamaa’ah[/b], i.e., the consensus of the Muslim scholars. In other reports he also described them as “the vast multitude”, as in the hadeeth of Abu Umaamah and others which is recorded by Ibn Abi ‘Aasim in al-Sunnah (1/34) and al-Tabaraani in al-Mu’jam al-Kabeer (8/321), with an isnaad that is hasan li ghayrihi (hasan because of corroborating evidence).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also described them in the following terms: “My ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of whom will be in Hell except one group.” They said: Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah? He said: “(Those who follow) that which I and my companions follow.” This is mentioned in the hadeeth of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr which was recorded and classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi (2641). It was also classed as hasan by al-‘Iraaqi in Ahkaam al-Qur’aan (3/432), al-‘Iraaqi in Takhreej al-Ihya’ (3/284) and al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

This is the clearest sign that the Muslim can use to determine what is the saved group, so he should follow the way of the majority of scholars, those whom all the people testify are trustworthy and religiously-committed, and he should follow the way of the earlier scholars among the Sahaabah, Taabi’een and the four Imams and other scholars, and he should beware of every sect that differs from the main body of Muslims (jamaa’ah) by following innovation (bid’ah).

https://islamqa.info/en/90112

Lastly, everyone is very much responsible and answerable to Allah for what they tell people. This includes what is posted on Nairaland. A person should keep in mind that when they post wrong information that misleads others, they CARRY the sins of whomever they misled and this is very important.
The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever calls others to guidance will have a reward like the rewards of those who follow him, without that detracting from their reward in any way. And whoever calls others to misguidance will have a burden of sin like the burden of those who follow him, without that detracting from their burden in any way.”(Narrated by Muslim, 2674).

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A very touching story, someone should please pass me a tissue.....

Then why was the prophet sent to explain the Quran and teach us how to serve Allaah if we were able to understand it ourselves? if you are prescribing du'a yourself that do yasin xyz times without any recommendation from the prophet, then its nonsense, i asked you a question, people today use suratul masad to curse people that wronged them, so i asked, did the prophet prescribed that? obviously No, is suratul Masad in the Quran? yes, is it nonsense to curse someone with suratul masad? yes!

salaam!

It baffles me how people arrogantly and ignorantly now claim to have more knowledge than the Prophet(peace and blessing be upon him). They gain little knowledge and start challenging the perfected deen of Allah. These days some people believe they are so smart-they come up with twisted ideas and they lie Against Allah and his messenger (peace and blessing be upon him). Then when people try to correct them they arrogantly shun the truth.They continue to believe that they are right even when clear evidence have been presented against them.

Is it that they are deluded? Or have their ideas clouded over their sense of reasoning? Is it that they are blind and deaf to the truth?

Do they know better than the Messenger of Allah?
Are they better than the salafs? Didn't Allah's messenger tell us whom the best generations are?
It was narrated from ‘Abd-Allaah ibn Mas’ood (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “The best of the people are my generation, then those who come after them, then those who come after them.” Narrated by al-Bukhaari (2652) and Muslim (2533)

Has Islam been completed? Yes! Then who are they to add a comma to Allah's deen?
Whomsoever comes up with an understanding of Islam that is different from the way the sahabas and righteous predecessors understand it will have their ideas rejected! Simple!

@Poundlander you need to read this! The sister(may Allaah preserve her and us) has beautifully brought the proofs for all I've been saying, maybe you'll have a change of orientation after reading this.

Contact17:
Just to add more on the divisions of the Muslims.

Division and differences among this ummah is something inevitable, to which history bears witness, as do the texts of the Sunnah of our Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever among you lives after I am gone will see a great deal of dissent.” Narrated by Abu Dawood (4067); classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in Saheeh Abi Dawood.

Dissent has occurred in the political field, as well as in the fields of thought and ‘aqeedah, which is represented in the appearance of different sects at the end of the era of the Rightly-Guided Caliphs, such as the Murji’is, Shi’ah and Khawaarij.

But by His mercy, Allaah decreed that this division should happen when some groups drifted away from the way of the main body of the Muslims and developed their own different approach, and they were distinguished by their own names and character. So the ‘aqeedah of Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, and the ‘aqeedah of the majority of Muslims, was not confused even for a day with that of the other, misguided sects, so that those sects would not dare to call themselves Ahl al-Sunnah wa’l-Jamaa’ah, rather they are called after the bid’ah (innovation) that they introduced, or the person who founded the sect. You can see that when you examine the names of all the sects.

The famous hadeeth about the ummah splitting into seventy-three sects bears witness to that.

It was narrated from Mu’aawiyah ibn Abi Sufyaan (may Allaah be pleased with him) that he said: The Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) stood among us and said: “Those who came before you of the people of the Book split into seventy-two sects, and this ummah will split into seventy-three: seventy-two in Hell and one in Paradise, and that is the jamaa’ah (main body of Muslims).”

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) described the saved group as the[b] jamaa’ah[/b], i.e., the consensus of the Muslim scholars. In other reports he also described them as “the vast multitude”, as in the hadeeth of Abu Umaamah and others which is recorded by Ibn Abi ‘Aasim in al-Sunnah (1/34) and al-Tabaraani in al-Mu’jam al-Kabeer (8/321), with an isnaad that is hasan li ghayrihi (hasan because of corroborating evidence).

The Prophet (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) also described them in the following terms: “My ummah will split into seventy-three sects, all of whom will be in Hell except one group.” They said: Who are they, O Messenger of Allaah? [size=15pt]He said: “(Those who follow) that which I and my companions follow.[/size]” This is mentioned in the hadeeth of ‘Abd-Allaah ibn ‘Amr which was recorded and classed as hasan by al-Tirmidhi (2641). It was also classed as hasan by al-‘Iraaqi in Ahkaam al-Qur’aan (3/432), al-‘Iraaqi in Takhreej al-Ihya’ (3/284) and al-Albaani in Saheeh al-Tirmidhi.

This is the clearest sign that the Muslim can use to determine what is the saved group, so he should follow the way of the majority of scholars, those whom all the people testify are trustworthy and religiously-committed, and he should follow the way of the earlier scholars among the Sahaabah, Taabi’een and the four Imams and other scholars, and he should beware of every sect that differs from the main body of Muslims (jamaa’ah) by following innovation (bid’ah).

https://islamqa.info/en/90112

So brother, try and follow the ways of Muhammad(pbuh) and his companions, don't anyone deceive you.

Salaam.