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masseratti:
weather and moon? smh, you can do better

NARRATOR AbuHurayrah SAHIH MUSLIMÂ
HADITH_No 2379Â

Allah's Messenger (peace_be_upon_him) said:
Observe fast on sighting it (the new moon) and break (fast) on sighting it (the new moon), but if the sky is cloudy for you, then complete the number (of thirty).


Try harder in your argument.

nyabinghi:
you are a stark illiterate. Stop reading the bible,it is too hard for you. The word is the sperm that brings forth every human being. Was God born? Wasn't jesus born. Christians are generally and mentally retarded.

Now I knw that you are a muslim....not surprised tho* cos I know muslim and terrorism r like 5 and 6..if u have the power to bomb me from there ,I know you won't hesitate to do it..I've gat no time to discuss with people like you cos you've been brainwashed already..I accept that insult for Christ sake...
God will reward you!...
#peace#

davss02:
Now I knw that you are a muslim....not surprised tho* cos I know muslim and terrorism r like 5 and 6..if u have the power to bomb me from there ,I know you won't hesitate to do it..I've gat no time to discuss with people like you cos you've been brainwashed already..I accept that insult for Christ sake...
God will reward you!...
#peace#

e pain am die, I use the mosaic laws, you yab me I yab you, christ self dey halla wayo Allah when the beatings of the romans was getting too much. God will reward me for schooling you.christianityisforfools.

This stupid country should just be divided oooooo... isn't it glaring enough

nyabinghi:
you are the real fool here, any idiot can decipher the poo called bible. Is it written in hieroglyphics. Bible wey dem dey edit everyday. Na God go punish you in jesus name.

all i need to say hv been said, i hv no other words to exchange with you,You just called a Holy book "poo" waow, God bless your soul

mikool007:
all i need to say hv been said, i hv no other words to exchange with you,You just called a Holy book "poo" waow, God bless your soul

mikool007:
all i need to say hv been said, i hv no other words to exchange with you,You just called a Holy book "poo" waow, God bless your soul

satan destroy your soul

iliyande:
The Director of Muslim Rights Concern, MURIC, Ishaq Akintola, has called for ‘fair treatment’ between Christians and Muslims in Nigeria.
The professor of Islamic Eschatology said Nigeria is not a secular state as according to him, it does not recognize religion.

In a chat with the Punch, Akintola said, “I still insist Nigeria is not a secular state. It does not recognise any religion at all. An example is the Sallah holidays. Although Christians used to enjoy Christmas and other holidays, there was no Sallah holiday for Muslims on Eid el-Fitr and Eid el-Kabir days during the colonial days. We wrenched that from our oppressors’ hands after a long struggle.

“Another example where freedom has come our way is where Nigerian Christians compelled Muslims to operate Christian financial system with its riba (interest) which is haram (forbidden) for Muslims, yet they refused to allow Muslims to practise the Islamic banking until a former governor of the Central Bank of Nigeria, Sanusi Lamido Sanusi (now Emir of Kano), belled the cat by introducing Islamic banking.

“What exactly do I mean? Nigerian Christians have been enjoying everything they need since the British took over the country and colonised it. They have the Christian common law while they object to Muslims having Shariah. They enjoy Christo-Western education while they restrict Muslim children’s access to Islamic education. Christians are free to do whatever they like on Sundays but Muslims are chained to their workplaces on Fridays. That chain must break. Freedom is our cry.

“The government supports both Christian and Muslim pilgrimages. Christian and Muslim prayers are said at official functions. The preamble of the Nigerian Constitution leans heavily on God. So, we are a multi-religious nation. It is when Christian leaders want to pull the wool over our eyes that they claim that Nigeria is a secular country.

“We must widen the horizon of the quest for self-determination. They hold Christian court or church marriage whose certificate is recognised by law whereas mosque marriage certificate is not recognised. Christian schoolchildren use Christian school uniforms but Muslim children are disallowed from using the hijab. Muslim women are denied driving licences and international passports in Nigeria on account of their use of hijab.

“There is an urgent need to straighten this lopsided system. It is not working. Nigerian Muslims still remain oppressed today because they have yet to be emancipated in the four examples above. There are more areas of oppression. But there are one or two aspects where the Muslims have been liberated.

“So you can see that it is all about struggling for liberation. It is like a master-slave affair. Those who sit on the necks of Muslims are reluctant to set them free. But we will get there whether the oppressor likes it or not. It is interesting to note that Christians know that a Muslim commits a sin each time he collects or gives riba yet they never freely allowed it. What do you call that? Do we love our neighbours?

“Do you call that freedom of religion? Isn’t there some element of selfishness in that? Didn’t Jesus teach loving the neighbour? I remember that a particular bishop from the East led his followers in a public demonstration against the introduction of Islamic banking. Ridiculous, isn’t it?

“As for the claim that Muslims are being favoured by the present administration, that is large-scale falsehood. Even Nigerian toddlers know that Buhari is religion-blind. He is not a fanatic. He just wants to fix Nigeria.

“How has the present administration favoured Muslims? The facts are at our fingertips. Take the South-West as an example: there are six states there and each has a minister. Only Babatunde Fashola and Adebayo Shittu are Muslims. The rest are Christians. Let CAN tell us if that is not so. Do you call two out of six a favour? And that is just a tip of the iceberg in Buhari’s administration.

“The parastatals are replete with Christian chief executives. But Muslims are not complaining. Nigeria now has about 35 ministers out of which only 17 are Muslims. Tell me how the present administration has favoured Muslims. Is CAN using mathematics or mathemagic?

“Personally, I believe that we are cutting our nose to spite our face in this country. We should allow government to pick the best candidates for positions in order to get maximum performance. We should not always be thinking of religious or ethnic leaning. Muslims have tried as much as possible to maintain this principle but CAN is always making a noise because of its grip on the press,” Akintola noted.

http://dailypost.ng/2016/09/04/want-fridays-declared-work-free-muslims-like-sundays-muric-director-akintola/

This are the people brewing boko har and religious extremists

First class idiot

nyabinghi:
e pain am die, I use the mosaic laws, you yab me I yab you, christ self dey halla wayo Allah when the beatings of the romans was getting too much. God will reward me for schooling you.christianityisforfools.

So I guessed ryt.Muslim!..cos is only a muslim dat cud talk deludedly as u av done..
Muslim and deir mind set....dey believe dey r helping dier god by killing deir fellow being..ah pray the great God in his infinite 4gv u all ur inequities...God bless you

FriendChoice:
NARRATOR AbuHurayrah SAHIH MUSLIMÂ
HADITH_No 2379Â

Allah's Messenger (peace_be_upon_him) said:
Observe fast on sighting it (the new moon) and break (fast) on sighting it (the new moon), but if the sky is cloudy for you, then complete the number (of thirty).


Try harder in your argument.

this is hadith not the Koran, i said in the 1st post u quote that no where in koran, i purposely didn't mention hadith, that said all these were said when man believes the world was flat now we know better, the lunar cycle can be predicted with precision, arab astronomers of those days were even the best astronomers.

masseratti:
this is hadith not the Koran, i said in the 1st post u quote that no where in koran, i purposely didn't mention hadith, that said all these were said when man believes the world was flat now we know better, the lunar cycle can be predicted with precision, arab astronomers of those days were even the best astronomers.

If you dont believe in hadith, that doesn't mean Muslim don't. It doesn't matter weda u gree or not. And you're great liar, Muslim never use astronomy in citing Month. if moon is cited we break fast, if its not we continue if cloud have barricade the moon. And in the first post u said verse, we talk of Friday prayer not moon citing. So all example I sited 4 u, Pakistan celebrate Eid on different day with us, then Niger Republic also, u did not say anything about it.

Show me when astronomy was used for moon citing.

truly:
This is incorrect sir
Let your ustaz tell me why this haram fatwa not extend to Saudi Arabia, UAE, etc

UAE has friday as an established restday

Friday is a weekend for them. And by so doing it is the law of their land

It's just like saying why do arabs write from right to left?

Lukay99:
Assalam alaykum, are you really a Muslim? Mr Akintola is not causing problems but he's just fighting for the Rights of muslims including yourself, your so called Uztaz is very wrong to say what you claimed he said, you see Friday jummah worship is way more than just two hours (the basic) the two hours is what we can say is the minimum (with the smaller reward) let me shear an hadith about Friday jummah prayer with you
Al-Bukhaari (814) and Muslim (850) narrated from Abu Hurayrah (may Allaah be pleased with him) that the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Whoever does ghusl on Friday like ghusl for janaabah, then goes to the prayer (in the first hour, i.e., early), it is as if he sacrificed a camel. Whoever goes in the second hour, it is as if he sacrificed a cow; whoever goes in the third hour, it is as if he sacrificed a horned ram; whoever goes in the fourth hour, it is as if he sacrificed a hen; and whoever goes in the fifth hour it is as if he offered an egg. When the imam comes out, the angels come to listen to the khutbah.”

So based on the above hadith Friday jummah starts at least 5 hours before the imam comes out to give the khutbah (after the call for prayer "adahn"

We as muslims need to be very careful before we start labeling things as Haram or halal. Don't trust some of this uztaz including Boko Haram too when they tell you something always ask for references from the Quran or hadith

The first adhan is the signal of the juma'a prayer

It is the at that time you are suppose to drop whatever you are doing and head to the mosque even before the second adhan and when the imam steps on the mumbar then the angel close their books.

Ok let's calculate this. So like where i am presently we pray juma'a 12:55-1:10 depending on the topic the imam is talking about.

The imam starts preaching at exactly 12:00. So subtract 5 from 12 you have 7. So from your own analysis above i should be by the mosque by 7 am?

Even the imam is still in his house

Please read and make sure you google about it

Mr Akintola, the only way your request can be granted is if Nigeria adopts a three days weekend else this is not feasible at all

P. S : i am a muslim and i am proud

FriendChoice:
If you dont believe in hadith, that doesn't mean Muslim don't. It doesn't matter weda u gree or not. And you're great liar, Muslim never use astronomy in citing Month. if moon is cited we break fast, if its not we continue if cloud have barricade the moon. And in the first post u said verse, we talk of Friday prayer not moon citing. So all example I sited 4 u, Pakistan celebrate Eid on different day with us, then Niger Republic also, u did not say anything about it.

Show me when astronomy was used for moon citing.

my brother take a chill pill, am not one of those who try to discredit Islam on nairaland, to me, the level Islam is right now christianity did worse, and its called the dark ages.

Now let me address the issue with hadiths u hope you can observe my s in the word hadith,

According to Mohammed, he had a revelation which was the koran nit the hadith, you asked me a question b4 if i believe in the old testament, and i answered you that I adhere to it, am not ine of the Christians that belief Jesus is God, we have only one God, neither am I a Jehova witness, but coming back to the hadith, you know that people that wrote various hadith were not part of Mohammed generation, they were not even born when he was alive, try and make your research Mohammed might have had a purpose but after his death politics was played in whom wi succeed him, various books were written to lay claim to his position, that is why we have sunni, which is what most Muslim are and shia,
Read my brother, religion is personal, if the Chinese, indians Japanese and koreans can all wear suit and tie like the muric prof, and set aside two days in a week even tho they are not Christians, why can't we for peace to reign, to me its secular, and Nigeria is secular, i enjoy our talk, I look forward to more of your opinion, let i said 50% if my family are Muslims, there are Muslims in Tanzania, Ghana but they are very different to what we have here in Nigeria. Read about ustman dan fodio, he was born in Nigeria and there were Muslim kings in the North before he was born, just read and be true to your self, keeo your faith in Islam but be objective.

masseratti:
my brother take a chill pill, am not one of those who try to discredit Islam on nairaland, to me, the level Islam is right now christianity did worse, and its called the dark ages.

Now let me address the issue with hadiths u hope you can observe my s in the word hadith,

According to Mohammed, he had a revelation which was the koran nit the hadith, you asked me a question b4 if i believe in the old testament, and i answered you that I adhere to it, am not ine of the Christians that belief Jesus is God, we have only one God, neither am I a Jehova witness, but coming back to the hadith, you know that people that wrote various hadith were not part of Mohammed generation, they were not even born when he was alive, try and make your research Mohammed might have had a purpose but after his death politics was played in whom wi succeed him, various books were written to lay claim to his position, that is why we have sunni, which is what most Muslim are and shia,
Read my brother, religion is personal, if the Chinese, indians Japanese and koreans can all wear suit and tie like the muric prof, and set aside two days in a week even tho they are not Christians, why can't we for peace to reign, to me its secular, and Nigeria is secular, i enjoy our talk, I look forward to more of your opinion, let i said 50% if my family are Muslims, there are Muslims in Tanzania, Ghana but they are very different to what we have here in Nigeria. Read about ustman dan fodio, he was born in Nigeria and there were Muslim kings in the North before he was born, just read and be true to your self, keeo your faith in Islam but be objective.

Qur'an is revealed to Muhammad peace be upon him. He understand the Qur'an more than anyone, Hadith is the commentary of Quran. That is one of the purpose of Prophet to explain in details what God message is. If anyone explain Quran on his own understanding without consulting Muhammad pbum explanation then he will go and do evil. E.g Boko Haram. If you follow only what is written in Qur'an without the commentary (Hadith) then you will not pray the way Muslim pray today, you will not perform ablution as the Islamic world do. The Qur'an ask to pray, it did not explain how to pray. the prophet explain it.

Allah promise to guide the Quran

‘" We have, without doubt, sent down the Message; and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption). (Al-Hijr Stone land-:9)

If Allah Almighty has promise to guide the Quran. Hadith is the explanation of Quran, do you think Allah will allow wrong explanation to Quran? The answer is no.

Not all Hadith are Authentic, only Authentic Hadith
are used by Muslims, Authentic Hadith are written
down and non Authentic Hadith are also written
down.

If any Hadith is two way sided, some of it true and
some no clear evidence that Prophet said this, then
it's rendered invalid. There are other criteria for checking it authenticity.

Hadith have source, I cannot wake up and say this is Hadith of prophet. Take any Hadith, u will see source chain, Some Hadith are narrated by Companions, some wives of the prophet. Understand me, I am not saying u must believe in Hadith, you're not Muslim. What I am saying is, I quote a Hadith on moon to justify weather, u cannot say it can't be accepted, that doesn't concern you. What u should say is: The Hadith I quoted is false and be ready to provide evidence.

What I don't like in your argument is using GPS to detect the presence of moon. claiming countries use settrlit to detect the moon.

I am interested to know more, u believe Jesus peace be upon him is not God, why don't you believe in Muhammad peace be upon. Why don't u accept Islam?

ollah1:
Lol. You pastor told you this or you read it? Tell me where it's written in your bible that God rested on Sunday after other days of creation?
Tell me where it's written in the Bible that you should worship God on Sundays?

the problem you have is the lack to comprehend a little sentence. I said God rested, I read it, go t genesis, you will boldly see it there, don't allow that jealousy to kill you. I said it, islam is filled with jealousy. Go n do the research, thank God, our bible is written to be understood by anybody, not in some language not understandable like quaran. So go n read. Gnesis 2 ch 3 mr and stop wallowing in your dark religion. Do you think am like you that your evil imam deceives all around. He never instructed us to worship him on the seventh day, but we decided to worship him on that day because he told us to keep it holy. Where is it written in your quaran to go to mosque on friday? And disrupt working days. World would av bin a beta place to live with ur islam. Stop jealousy cos it can't hold water.

wizzakosh:
the problem you have is the lack to comprehend a little sentence. I said God rested, I read it, go t genesis, you will boldly see it there, don't allow that jealousy to kill you. I said it, islam is filled with jealousy. Go n do the research, thank God, our bible is written to be understood by anybody, not in some language not understandable like quaran. So go n read. Gnesis 2 ch 3 mr and stop wallowing in your dark religion. Do you think am like you that your evil imam deceives all around. He never instructed us to worship him on the seventh day, but we decided to worship him on that day because he told us to keep it holy. Where is it written in your quaran to go to mosque on friday? And disrupt working days. World would av bin a beta place to live with ur islam. Stop jealousy cos it can't hold water.

Lol. Funny you bro. The seventh day is Saturday while the first day is Sunday. Capiche!

nyabinghi:
satan destroy your soul

av said it, islam is filled with jealousy. It has manifested in you. Your islam is evil, take it or leave, islam is evil. Ur useless n meaningless koran than has pushed u to hell will stand against you on that day. Islam, hell religion.

nextprince:
wetin una wan talk before? Say we no fit decide which bank to bank with again or what? Abi dem force una to go the bank? See me see wahala o. Infact I no even know say na wetin una mean be dat. Jaiz bank don get one more customer sef as I dey talk now because first thing tomorrow I dey open acc sharply and transfer my pay to dat acc. Infact u will see muslim abandoning una bank very soon, wait and see.

Ah don cause trouble b dat ooo

ollah1:
Lol. Funny you bro. The seventh day is Saturday while the first day is Sunday. Capiche!

lol, you see why I said you need to move from darkness to light. To u, it is saturday, according to ur koran ba. Ok. Tell me where your koran told you to go to mosque on friday. B4, u said God did not rest, but now saying it saturday, ur life is so contradicting.

wizzakosh:
lol, you see why I said you need to move from darkness to light. To u, it is saturday, according to ur koran ba. Ok. Tell me where your koran told you to go to mosque on friday. B4, u said God did not rest, but now saying it saturday, ur life is so contradicting.

Lol. You are really zero educated. You need help. Saturday is the last day of the week. While the first is Sunday and going by your logic of God "resting" on the seventh day. It should be Saturday. Pick up an English version of the Quran. It's right there.

Honestly nothing in the Bible says you should go to church on Sundays. Nothing says you should celebrate Christmas on 25th December.

kolaish:
LET THE GOVT FACTOR THAT ONE OUT, IT IS NOT MY HEADACHE.

Seventh day adventists and jews won't be happy with saturday as
a working day.

ollah1:
Lol. You are really zero educated. You need help. Saturday is the last day of the week. While the first is Sunday and going by your logic of God "resting" on the seventh day. It should be Saturday. Pick up an English version of the Quran. It's right there.

Honestly nothing in the Bible says you should go to church on Sundays. Nothing says you should celebrate Christmas on 25th December.

ur statement has shown how educated illiterate you are, sebi your koran told you to go to mosque on friday. If you are not blind and not having issue with ur understanding, u would see where I put we decided to worship him on sunday. Sunday is the first day of the wee yes, but it is also the resting day. It only given name sunday. Your thought is to local. Jealousy did not allow you to reason well. You imam has filled your brain with the lies they tell you daily. U need a deliverance. I asked you again, where in your koran were u instructed to even go to mosque that you are going on friday. Were u instructed to celebrate ed el fitri or what do u call it?

nyabinghi:
e pain am die, I use the mosaic laws, you yab me I yab you, christ self dey halla wayo Allah when the beatings of the romans was getting too much. God will reward me for schooling you.christianityisforfools.

ar u comparing jesus christ with mere mortal muhamed that was born with sperm like you, died n decayed. I always laff @ all this muslim mentality sha.

truly:
These are the people who started the talk about rights

https://www.naij.com/866969-new-can-president-warns-president-buhari-christians-not-fools.html

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/08/children-will-continue-wear-church-robes-school/

http://www.vanguardngr.com/2016/08/christians-second-class-citizens-nigeria/

One response from Muslims, and we are the one starting the problem

I recall that when Christians made the above statements, Christians were congratulating and commending them

It would have been more appropriate if you stated just one request made by CAN
to change the status quo of the Nigerian society ?

wizzakosh:
ur statement has shown how educated illiterate you are, sebi your koran told you to go to mosque on friday. If you are not blind and not having issue with ur understanding, u would see where I put we decided to worship him on sunday. Sunday is the first day of the wee yes, but it is also the resting day. It only given name sunday. Your thought is to local. Jealousy did not allow you to reason well. You imam has filled your brain with the lies they tell you daily. U need a deliverance. I asked you again, where in your koran were u instructed to even go to mosque that you are going on friday. Were u instructed to celebrate ed el fitri or what do u call it?

Lol. "We decided". How may of you guys decided this? Unlike you, Muslims don't just decide. We pray on everyday as commanded by God. We pray jumat of Fridays as commanded by God. Nothing like we decided. Lol. You are gonna be a good comedian. You should consider it

truly:
I can imagine
When the Yorubas were preparing for the Constitutional Conference, the "leaders" met in Ikenne
All the 15 people who claimed to be crafting the SW agenda at the meeting were Christians

If Muslims have tried it, what would we have heard?
Islamisation, Islamisation

Islam got to the SW before Christianity
But your totalitarianism is so baffling - where is the "Christian love" we are told about or is it just vapour ware?

I expect you to start agitating for a new constitutional conference where "muslims"
will be equally represented instead of playing the victims card.

You see whenever a society wants to draw up laws for a new beginning,
the most enlightened member of the society represents their people,
their religion is immaterial. The same scenario played out at the American
independence and the French revolution.

It just happened that those who adopted western education at the earliest period
were christians, it is only natural that they represent their people.

wizzakosh:
ar u comparing jesus christ with mere mortal muhamed that was born with sperm like you, died n decayed. I always laff @ all this muslim mentality sha.

Haha hahaha. So you believed the tale of Jesus born without a sperm? You have been brainwashed hence anything u read sticks in your head. You need to further read more but this time, with open hearts and opened eyes

Wizzakosh I have never seen a lawless, manner less and unprincipled human beings like you christians. You people lack good etiquette, you lack good home training, i suppose somebody like you needs to visit the psychiatric hospital to diagnose the state of your mentality. Because i see no sense in you and I'm not surprised that you have no sense because your religion has been hacked and also your pastors and you the followers. I so much love Islam and Muslims because we are good mannered people, we are the best of people that has ever been raised for mankind to set for them a quintessential example for imps like you to follow. Among our good characters is that we believe in all the messengers that was sent by God Almighty right from Adam to the last of them prophet Muhammad (peace be upon them all), this is one good thing that some of you christians lack. Whenever you insult our prophet we don't retaliate by insulting Jesus Christ because he was a messenger from God, I don't know what your religion said about other people's religion and prophets that used to give you the effrontery to insult other people's prophet, even if you don't believe in him at least you should respect the fact that He is a messenger from the same God that created Christ. I now see reasons why some people slaughter you people like rams.

wizzakosh:
ar u comparing jesus christ with mere mortal muhamed that was born with sperm like you, died n decayed. I always laff @ all this muslim mentality sha.

did jesus die or not? Did he eat, shit, or bathe. If he did he isn't God. Muhammed aNd jesus served the same master.

wizzakosh:
av said it, islam is filled with jealousy. It has manifested in you. Your islam is evil, take it or leave, islam is evil. Ur useless n meaningless koran than has pushed u to hell will stand against you on that day. Islam, hell religion.

ur religion is shitty, I wanna puke