malvisguy212:
And also, some atheists believe in spirit, life after death, is there a contradiction ?

plaetton:


Lol.

How is your inner atheist doing ?

plaetton:
I have a fascination with the our Sun, whom I call our heavenly Father.
The more I learn about our glorious orb, the more awed and humbled that I become.

I can proudly call myself a Sun Worshipper.

I am still am atheist.
Does anyone see a contradiction, and why ?

plaetton:
I have a fascination with the our Sun, whom I call our heavenly Father.
The more I learn about our glorious orb, the more awed and humbled that I become.

I can proudly call myself a Sun Worshipper.

I am still am atheist.
Does anyone see a contradiction, and why ?

lordnicklaus: Do you sacrifice to it?

johnydon22:


Must worship include sacrifice? worship simply means intense reverence for "something or someone".

I for one worship my woman who i know personally as my Goddess...

lordnicklaus:


I know. If the op had replied with a "no" then it is not contradictory. Ps: I sent you a mail.

EyeHateGod:
U are not An atheist bro u a Sun worshipper. SHEY THE SUN NA DEITY TO YOU?

johnydon22:
Something worshipped is not necessarily a deity and a deity is not necessarily something worshipped therefore there is no contradiction here.

johnydon22:
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plaetton:
I have a fascination with the our Sun, whom I call our heavenly Father.

EyeHateGod:
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DeSepiero:


Hope you're OK?

johnydon22:
Got it bro, you will be hearing from me soonest.

plaetton:
I have a fascination with the our Sun, whom I call our heavenly Father.
The more I learn about our glorious orb, the more awed and humbled that I become.

I can proudly call myself a Sun Worshipper.

I am still am atheist.
Does anyone see a contradiction, and why ?

shadeyinka:


In the physical, its just a valid choice you made but spiritually the consequence is far much more than that.

Our fathers of old did the same thing, they took a giant Iroko tree in the forest and started paying obeisance unto it. The tree became an idol (Orisa!). Anything can be made into an idol including iron, mirror, doll, stone.

However, once that is done then a malevolent spirit attaches itself to the idol and directly receives your obeisance, sacrifices and adulations. In return, it may or may not reveal its presence to you. That is why some idol worshippers will swear at the power of there god.

So you see, There is always a point of interface BTW the physical and the spiritual. The spiritual influences the physical but not the other way round.

johnydon22:


This is a huge lie that has been fed the new generation and they swallow it hook line and sinker.

It is a big shame that as a son of the African soil you know nothing of your own indigenous religion, you only regurgitate lies and distorted nonsense championed as a kind of sinister Christian propaganda to taint the African religion.

There is nothing like getting a tree and worshipping and a malevolent spirits enters it - That is absolute nonsense.

The African religions at least the Yoruba or Igbo concept both have a comsological supreme God concept who is the father or the direct source from whence the orisa's or Alusis [in igbo] emerged.

The trees or image in the shrines are not the essence of the worship but rather a visual representation of the original essence [ the concept behind it] which is the alusi or orisa in yoruba and the Alusi or orisa are not at all malevolent concepts, they are in fact benevolent and are seen as regulators of both natural manifestations and in some sense morality.

So please go and study your own history and stop this distorted nonsense - it is so wrong that it hurts.

lordnicklaus:

I verily agree with you especially in the concept of original essence. Every religion either polytheist or monotheist all have a perception of a single creator but the polytheists feel that forces or powers associated with him should be revered alongside him. For example, the Yorubas worship Olodumare and the Irunmale (deities) and the Hindus believe in an all powerful creator called Brahma but they also worship his manifestations (Vishnu, Shiva, Durga Kali, Saraswati e.t.c) but monotheistic religions feel that only the creator should be worshipped. I am quite fascinated with African or Negroid religions especially the Egyptian.

The only non-Christian foreign religon I find quite interesting is the Sumerian religion, the oldest religion in the world.

African religions are quite serene and shun religous wars but most hold archaic views or engage in abhorrent acts such as the sacrifice of twins or considering jaundiced children as demons.

johnydon22:


This is a huge lie that has been fed the new generation and they swallow it hook line and sinker.

It is a big shame that as a son of the African soil you know nothing of your own indigenous religion, you only regurgitate lies and distorted nonsense championed as a kind of sinister Christian propaganda to taint the African religion.

There is nothing like getting a tree and worshipping and a malevolent spirits enters it - That is absolute nonsense.

The African religions at least the Yoruba or Igbo concept both have a comsological supreme God concept who is the father or the direct source from whence the orisa's or Alusis [in igbo] emerged.

The trees or image in the shrines are not the essence of the worship but rather a visual representation of the original essence [ the concept behind it] which is the alusi or orisa in yoruba and the Alusi or orisa are not at all malevolent concepts, they are in fact benevolent and are seen as regulators of both natural manifestations and in some sense morality.

So please go and study your own history and stop this distorted nonsense - it is so wrong that it hurts.

Seun:
If you don't think the sun is God or a god, then you're not a Sun worshipper. If you are a Sun worshipper, then you're not an atheist. It's clear. The people who respect and adore Beyonce are called fans, not worshipers, because Beyonce is considered to be a human being, not a god.

4everGod:
And the one the fans adore is called an idol! True or false?

johnydon22:


I'm saddened that the wile of Abrahamism has eaten so deep in the minds of the Africans that they forget even their own origin, culture and traditions...

Let me explain the Igbo traditional religion a bit better.

The igbos have a concept of one supreme cosmological power, a creatinf force of the universe called CHUKWU, its manifestation can be felt from the sun.

Chukwu is unknown, big and uncomprehensible - it is impersonal and above mundane activities, you cannot say if chukwu is a masculine character, feminine or an it [Nobody knows what chukwu really is] and it has no business with anybody.

The alusi are direct forces emanated from the supreme essence [Chukwu] and these alusis act as personified forces for natural manifestation. So alusis are intermediary forces between Chukwu and man [More so the alusis configure Chukwu's creation for the benefits of man]

So practically speaking Chukwu is above worship, the alusis however can be revered.

it baffles me why these foreign religions had to go to the extent of distorting our history, telling out right lies just to discredit the african traditional religon.

On the other hand it is a big shame to the Abrahamic dunder heads who call themselves africans that just a tiny dose of jewish myth prescribed under the doctorship of colonial injection will so stupi_dly forget and demonize their own origins and history because they so naively and blindly bought lies.

I say a big shame to Africans.



Quite colourful myths that is i really do enjoy it. as a matter of fact most semitic myths [including the jewish myths] has their roots from the Sumerian mythology.

People fear what they don't understand, twin killing as witnessed by some African cultures are deplorable acts of ignorance on the biological manifestation of twins, they didn't think it was natural for a human to have 2 or more babies at once, they were naive and primitive

I on my own part would argue there are no monotheic religions, just a strip down number of deities each religion wants to worship...

Polytheism - the belief in existence of many Gods or deities.

Even though the so - called monotheic religions revere and worship 1 concept of a deity, it is no doubt that they also acknowledge or have a belief in the existence of other deities example [satan] in Abrahamism.

So there is really no such a thing as Monotheism, it all still are polytheic only that the number of god(s) supposed to be worshipped becomes the center of attraction.

It's all more so should be regarded as Henotheism and not monotheism cus there is no such thing.

Seun:

Yes, the word idol can be used to refer to a person you admire, or a physical representation of a god, but those meanings are clearly distinct.

plaetton:
I have a fascination with the our Sun, whom I call our heavenly Father.
The more I learn about our glorious orb, the more awed and humbled that I become.

I can proudly call myself a Sun Worshipper.

I am still am atheist.
Does anyone see a contradiction, and why ?